Darth Cheney
Footballguy
If he misses any significant time...this rotation suddenly looks very,very underwhelming average.
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Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Cleveland would still be pretty good.Detroit... Seattle....NY Mets....LA Dodgers.... would all do well.Boston will have:an overrated Japanese pitchera knuckleballera rookiea young pitcher who hasn't pitched a full season.
the moops
Footballguy
None of those teams would have any more than an average staff if they lost Sabathia, Verlander, etc...You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.PS. Dont be sleeping on Dice-K. His numbers were nearly identical to Beckett's last year (K/9, BAA, hits,). The one glaring difference wasin walks allowed (80 for Dice-K, 40 for Beckett). If he gets those walks down, watch out.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Finless
Footballguy
So what you're saying is if you take the best pitcher out of all the staffs above the Red Sox would be the worst? Sounds about right.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
I think that this RedSox team relies more on one single SP than most other contenders. We all know of Lester and Bucholz's potential.....but potential isn't written in stone. There seems to be a lot of concern over the youngsters of the Yankees staff (contributing to a pennant race, holding up for an entire season, reaching an innings limit for the year).....but the Sox are in that same boat. This is a major reason why these other staffs are better than the Sox when it comes to the 2-3-4 and 5 starters. Well thrown vets are essential to the success of a staff during the regular season. Not only do they all have a pitcher (and we could throw Anaheim in there as well) who could be considered an Ace on just about any other team, they all have experienced, inning eating pitchers. The Sox do not have the Kenny Rogers, Dontrelle Willis, Cliff Lee, Paul Byrd, Oliver Perez, Derek Lowe, John Garland or other who are considered legit middle and end of the road guys that other contenders have.
the moops
Footballguy
Bartolo Colon thumbup:I understand what you are getting at...however, those teams still would have a mediocre staff if they lose their ace. Would they be better than a Beckett-less Sox? Probably. Mainly because they had a better staff before.
Kub
Footballguy
I think the Sox are equipped to handle the loss of their ace better than most teams, simply because of their offense should provide plenty of run support. Additionally, it isn't exactly accurate to say that a Beckett injury alone decimates their pitching depth. Up until a month ago, they were expecting to have Curt Schilling as their #2/3. So the Red Sox would be without 2 of their top 3 if Beckett were to go down for any significant period of time.
From a fantasy perspective, little injuries like this are part of the reason I think Beckett is going too high in drafts this year.
From a fantasy perspective, little injuries like this are part of the reason I think Beckett is going too high in drafts this year.
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Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Not everyone needs a nickname.
boom king
Footballguy
becks? come on now...
wilked
Footballguy
Thankfully the Yankees dont have an ace
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
We all hang out at a website that regularly uses nicknames and abbreviations for even the most average of football players (MBIII, ADP, CurMar, DonSta,DMac, C-Pepp, etc. etc.). There is nothing wrong with having a shortened nickname for argubly the best pitcher in baseballEviloutsider said:
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I'm not going to echo the "duh" factor on the "take away the stud and the rotation gets worse" comments... but I do see what you're saying and it's a significant concern to any Sox fan who's realistic about stuff. That said, assuming the most likely case (beckett will miss maybe 1-2 starts at most due to this freak injury).. you're looking at the same rotation that won the WS... except now we've got more experience under the kids' belts.
Rice Cake
Lester
Wake
Toad
Buchholz
Tavarez/Schilling (1st half / 2nd half)
Lester is free from the "Cancer recovery kid" distractions... Buccholz is starting fresh with the No-no shadow off his back...etc. Tavarez was stellar in the first half last year before he got tired. Wake is a knuckler and assuming he conditioned his back properly he should be good for another year of solid numbers. I'm firmly in the camp that expects better numbers out of Dice this year due to the poor luck/ poor run support he got last year. If he improves his mix and quits trying to be so fine he'll be a #1b IMHO.
People quickly forget that Boston had to use a rotation of kids and patchwork for a good portion of the year last year and still managed to win a title.
Not TOO worried assuming he's back within a couple starts
Rice Cake
Lester
Wake
Toad
Buchholz
Tavarez/Schilling (1st half / 2nd half)
Lester is free from the "Cancer recovery kid" distractions... Buccholz is starting fresh with the No-no shadow off his back...etc. Tavarez was stellar in the first half last year before he got tired. Wake is a knuckler and assuming he conditioned his back properly he should be good for another year of solid numbers. I'm firmly in the camp that expects better numbers out of Dice this year due to the poor luck/ poor run support he got last year. If he improves his mix and quits trying to be so fine he'll be a #1b IMHO.
People quickly forget that Boston had to use a rotation of kids and patchwork for a good portion of the year last year and still managed to win a title.
Not TOO worried assuming he's back within a couple starts
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the moops
Footballguy
You are forgetting Bartolo Colon.I'm not going to echo the "duh" factor on the "take away the stud and the rotation gets worse" comments... but I do see what you're saying and it's a significant concern to any Sox fan who's realistic about stuff. That said, assuming the most likely case (beckett will miss maybe 1-2 starts at most due to this freak injury).. you're looking at the same rotation that won the WS... except now we've got more experience under the kids' belts. Rice CakeLesterWakeToadBuchholzTavarez/Schilling (1st half / 2nd half)Lester is free from the "Cancer recovery kid" distractions... Buccholz is starting fresh with the Np-no shadow off his back...etc. Lester was stellar in the first half last year before he got tired. Wake is a knuckler and assuming he conditioned his back properly he should be good for another year of solid numbers. I'm firmly in the camp that expects better numbers out of Dice this year due to the poor luck/ poor run support he got last year. If he improves his mix and quits trying to be so fine he'll be a #1b IMHO. People quickly forget that Boston had to use a rotation of kids and patchwork for a good portion of the year last year and still managed to win a title.Not TOO worried assuming he's back within a couple starts
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No I'm notYou are forgetting Bartolo Colon.I'm not going to echo the "duh" factor on the "take away the stud and the rotation gets worse" comments... but I do see what you're saying and it's a significant concern to any Sox fan who's realistic about stuff. That said, assuming the most likely case (beckett will miss maybe 1-2 starts at most due to this freak injury).. you're looking at the same rotation that won the WS... except now we've got more experience under the kids' belts.
Rice Cake
Lester
Wake
Toad
Buchholz
Tavarez/Schilling (1st half / 2nd half)
Lester is free from the "Cancer recovery kid" distractions... Buccholz is starting fresh with the Np-no shadow off his back...etc. Lester was stellar in the first half last year before he got tired. Wake is a knuckler and assuming he conditioned his back properly he should be good for another year of solid numbers. I'm firmly in the camp that expects better numbers out of Dice this year due to the poor luck/ poor run support he got last year. If he improves his mix and quits trying to be so fine he'll be a #1b IMHO.
People quickly forget that Boston had to use a rotation of kids and patchwork for a good portion of the year last year and still managed to win a title.
Not TOO worried assuming he's back within a couple starts
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
What are season inning limits for Bucholz and Lester?
the moops
Footballguy
Last I heard was 180 IP each.
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As info:
Lower Back Muscle Strain
What it is: This is an injury to the muscles and/or ligaments of the lower back. It is usually caused by a violent twisting motion or overexertion while bending. Muscle spasms in the back are typically related to this type of injury and are a symptom of it.
Recovery: First degree sprains can take less than a week to heal, while second degree sprains will require a stay on the 15-day DL. A third degree strain could keep a player out three or more weeks
Possible Long Term Effects: Back strains are another injury with a high degree of recurrence if not properly and fully rehabbed and even then can continue to plague players. Until fully healed, back problems will have an adverse effect on a players’ power production.
Recent Player Examples: Randy Johnson has had back problems throughout his career and has had surgery twice. Proper conditioning and proactive treatment of the problem have managed to keep him on the field and enabled him to be a workhorse until the problem became so severe the second surgery was required this past July. Edgardo Alfonzo injured his back in 2001 and was never able to reestablish his 20+ HR power and was done as an everyday player after the 2004 season.
Lower Back Muscle Strain
What it is: This is an injury to the muscles and/or ligaments of the lower back. It is usually caused by a violent twisting motion or overexertion while bending. Muscle spasms in the back are typically related to this type of injury and are a symptom of it.
Recovery: First degree sprains can take less than a week to heal, while second degree sprains will require a stay on the 15-day DL. A third degree strain could keep a player out three or more weeks
Possible Long Term Effects: Back strains are another injury with a high degree of recurrence if not properly and fully rehabbed and even then can continue to plague players. Until fully healed, back problems will have an adverse effect on a players’ power production.
Recent Player Examples: Randy Johnson has had back problems throughout his career and has had surgery twice. Proper conditioning and proactive treatment of the problem have managed to keep him on the field and enabled him to be a workhorse until the problem became so severe the second surgery was required this past July. Edgardo Alfonzo injured his back in 2001 and was never able to reestablish his 20+ HR power and was done as an everyday player after the 2004 season.
the moops
Footballguy
No I'm notYou are forgetting Bartolo Colon.I'm not going to echo the "duh" factor on the "take away the stud and the rotation gets worse" comments... but I do see what you're saying and it's a significant concern to any Sox fan who's realistic about stuff. That said, assuming the most likely case (beckett will miss maybe 1-2 starts at most due to this freak injury).. you're looking at the same rotation that won the WS... except now we've got more experience under the kids' belts.
Rice Cake
Lester
Wake
Toad
Buchholz
Tavarez/Schilling (1st half / 2nd half)
Lester is free from the "Cancer recovery kid" distractions... Buccholz is starting fresh with the Np-no shadow off his back...etc. Lester was stellar in the first half last year before he got tired. Wake is a knuckler and assuming he conditioned his back properly he should be good for another year of solid numbers. I'm firmly in the camp that expects better numbers out of Dice this year due to the poor luck/ poor run support he got last year. If he improves his mix and quits trying to be so fine he'll be a #1b IMHO.
People quickly forget that Boston had to use a rotation of kids and patchwork for a good portion of the year last year and still managed to win a title.
Not TOO worried assuming he's back within a couple starts
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the moops
Footballguy
Meh. a 1.515 OPS isn't that good.
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shadyridr said:
Give the kid a few weeks to rest. Aggravate this and you run the risk of limiting him all year. That said.. I LOVE the fire this kid... has matured into a top shelf guy. Wouldn't throw the grounds crew under the bus, just said "Things happen..everyone's doing their jobs". He's matured a lot in the last couple years. Can see he's genuinely pissed off that he can't throw right now.
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