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Belichek being accused by former player (1 Viewer)

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NEW YORK -- Former New England Patriots linebacker Ted Johnson said coach Bill Belichick subjected him to hard hits in practice while he was recovering from a concussion -- against the advice of the team's top trainer.

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Johnson, who helped the Patriots win three Super Bowl titles before retiring two years ago, told The New York Times that a collision with another player during that 2002 practice led to another concussion. And, after sustaining additional concussions over the next three seasons, he now forgets people's names, misses appointments and suffers from depression and an addiction to amphetamines.

"There's something wrong with me," Johnson, 34, told the Times in a story posted on its Web site Thursday night. "There's something wrong with my brain. And I know when it started."

The Boston Globe, which is owned by the Times, posted a similar story on its Web site.

Johnson, who played 10 years in the NFL, said he began to deteriorate in August 2002 with a concussion during an exhibition game against the New York Giants. He sustained another concussion four days later after Belichick prodded him to participate in a full-contact practice, even though he was supposed to be avoiding hits, Johnson said.

The next month, with their relationship already strained, Johnson confronted Belichick about the practice after the coach asked him to meet in his office.

"I told him, 'You played God with my health. You knew I shouldn't have been cleared to play,'" Johnson told the Globe.

Belichick told the Globe he got no cue from Johnson in practice that day that he was hesitant about participating in the full-contact drill.

"If Ted felt so strongly that he didn't feel he was ready to practice with us, he should have told me," Belichick said.

The Patriots did not allow Jim Whalen, still their head trainer, to comment for this story, according to the Globe.

Patriots spokesman Stacey James told The Associated Press on Thursday night that the team was aware of the report but was not prepared to comment.

In a story last month, the Times reported that brain damage caused on the football field ultimately led to the suicide of former NFL defensive back Andre Waters last November, according to a forensic pathologist who studied Waters' brain tissue.

"We have been focused on the issue of concussions for years," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told the AP. "It remains one of our prime concerns as we continue to do everything possible to protect the health of our players."

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell is expected to answer questions about the issue at his annual state of the NFL news conference Friday.

Dr. Lee H. Schwamm, the neurologist at Massachusetts General Hospital who examined Johnson, wrote in a memo on Aug. 19, 2002, that Johnson sustained a second concussion in that practice, the Times reported.

Schwamm also wrote that, after speaking with Whalen, the trainer "was on the sidelines when he sustained the concussion during the game and assessed him frequently at the sideline" and that "he has kept Mr. Johnson out of contact since that time."

Johnson said he spoke with Belichick the next day about the incident, but only briefly, the Times said.

"He was vaguely acknowledging that he was aware of what happened," Johnson said, "and he wanted to just kind of let me know that he knew."

Johnson sat out the next two preseason games on the advice of his neurologist but played in the final one. Then, thinking he was still going to be left off the active roster for the season opener against Pittsburgh, he angrily left camp for two days before returning and meeting with Belichick.

"It's as clear as a bell, 'I had to see if you could play,'" Johnson recalled Belichick saying, according to the Times.

Moments later, Johnson said, Belichick admitted he had made a mistake by subjecting him to a full-contact drill.

"It was a real kind of admittance, but it was only him and I in the room," Johnson told the Times.

After returning to game action, the linebacker sustained more concussions of varying severity over the following three seasons, each of them exacerbating the next, according to his current neurologist, Dr. Robert Cantu.

Cantu told the Times he was certain that Johnson's problems "are related to his previous head injuries, as they are all rather classic postconcussion symptoms."

He added, "They are most likely permanent."

Cantu, the chief of neurosurgery and director of sports medicine at Emerson Hospital in Concord, Mass., also said Johnson shows signs of early Alzheimer's disease.

"The majority of those symptoms relentlessly progress over time," Cantu said. "It could be that at the time he's in his 50s, he could have severe Alzheimer's symptoms."

Johnson told the Globe he estimates he had at least six concussions in his last three seasons but reported only one because he already had a reputation as an injury-prone player and he didn't want to make it worse.

"Looking back, it was stupid not to tell anyone," Johnson said. "But I didn't know then that every time you have a concussion, you are four to six times more susceptible the next time. I had no idea the damage I was causing myself."

Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players Association, spoke in general terms about concussions at a news conference Thursday in Miami, where the Super Bowl will be played Sunday.

"If a coach or anyone else is saying, 'You don't have a concussion, you get back in there,' you don't have to go, and you shouldn't go," Upshaw said, not speaking about Johnson's case specifically. "You know how you feel. That's what we tried to do throughout the years, is take the coach out of the decision-making. It's the medical people that have to decide."

Upshaw told the AP that concussions are one of the issues the union is examining this year.

"We've seen a number of concussions in the NFL this year, and as a result of our studies, we've seen a change in the helmet. We're also studying the effects of that on concussions," Upshaw said.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?i...e=ESPNHeadlinesJeez, Belichek's image is taking a lot of punishment this year. Maybe he should hire the publicist T.O. fired. :popcorn:

 
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BB's always there to at least demonstrate good sportsmanship when losing. His character is more and more resembling his sawed off sweatshirt look.

 
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I loathe Belichick, but I'm not buying this story...

Sorry, but you can't 'force' somebody to play.

If Ted Johnson had such a problem with it, why didn't he take it up with the NFLPA when it occurred?

 
You read that entire piece, and the BB angle is the part you took out of it? :lmao:

Do you really think that this doesn't happen in every single team in the NFL?

IMO, what you should be taking out of it is the devastating impact of these types of repetitive injuries, but hey, make another Belichick bashing story out of it instead.

 
I loathe Belichick, but I'm not buying this story...Sorry, but you can't 'force' somebody to play.If Ted Johnson had such a problem with it, why didn't he take it up with the NFLPA when it occurred?
Exactly. If the concussions were the issue, is'nt playing football, and being on the active roster for the first game in Pittsburght probably the oast place Ted Johnson should have wanted to be? I loved Johnson as a player. But, this is about personal decisions. He's a 30 darn year old man at that point in his life. He's not a high schooler. He's not a college student. He's a grown man. Blaming Belichick because he is competitive is something I aint buying. Do coaches push their players? Absolutely. Do players have the right, at any point, to stand up and say, enough? Absolutely. Ted Johnson loved winning just as much as BB, that's why he did it. He knew more about his condition than Belichick. Had he said, "coach, I'm not up for full contact drills yet", do you think this happens? I'm sorry for Ted, but blaming coach Belichick for being demanding of his players is just ridiculous. He's doing what coaches are paid to do.
 
This is the whole story:

Ted Johnson's story

Inflammatory and somewhat misleading title aside, I think it's high time the NFL addressed post-concussion syndrome. In the wake of this story, Andre Waters and probably countless other players who have suffered a similar fate, it's time for a reexamination of medical clearance for these kinds of cases and possibly a redesign of the helmets in the game.

This is a league wide problem that continues to get worse.

 
Wait, this is NOT Bill Belichick's MO. Belichick is the guy who would bench his son if he had diminishing skills. He benched Kosar AND Bledsoe. If Bill even suspected Ted Johnson couldn't handle it, he'd sit him and find someone else.

 
Johnson told the Globe he estimates he had at least six concussions in his last three seasons but reported only one because he already had a reputation as an injury-prone player and he didn't want to make it worse.
To me this is the most telling part of the story for several reasons:- It confirms what a many are saying that Johnson could have pulled himself out.

- It seems to indicate that this is probably not just a Belichick thing.

- Most importantly, it shows that there is a much deeper rooted problem throughout the entire league where guys are pressured to endanger their own health to avoid the 'injury-prone' label. This sort of thing goes beyond concussions, but it might be worse there because there is so much unknown about brain injuries, and the person often appears to be ok from the outside. Rosters are so tight and teams so closely matched, players who do not suit up for whatever reason are quickly cast aside. Teams are not willing to let players properly and completley heal before putting them back in the fray.

 
Ted Johnson himself says that it's a league problem:

"It's not just the New England Patriots that need to change how they do things," Johnson said. "It's the entire culture of the NFL."
This story happened in preseason of 2002. Ted Johnson retired in 2005.
 
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Johnson told the Globe he estimates he had at least six concussions in his last three seasons but reported only one because he already had a reputation as an injury-prone player and he didn't want to make it worse.
To me this is the most telling part of the story for several reasons:- It confirms what a many are saying that Johnson could have pulled himself out.

- It seems to indicate that this is probably not just a Belichick thing.

- Most importantly, it shows that there is a much deeper rooted problem throughout the entire league where guys are pressured to endanger their own health to avoid the 'injury-prone' label. This sort of thing goes beyond concussions, but it might be worse there because there is so much unknown about brain injuries, and the person often appears to be ok from the outside. Rosters are so tight and teams so closely matched, players who do not suit up for whatever reason are quickly cast aside. Teams are not willing to let players properly and completley heal before putting them back in the fray.
:shock: and this is not new

 
Johnson told the Globe he estimates he had at least six concussions in his last three seasons but reported only one because he already had a reputation as an injury-prone player and he didn't want to make it worse.
To me this is the most telling part of the story for several reasons:- It confirms what a many are saying that Johnson could have pulled himself out.

- It seems to indicate that this is probably not just a Belichick thing.

- Most importantly, it shows that there is a much deeper rooted problem throughout the entire league where guys are pressured to endanger their own health to avoid the 'injury-prone' label. This sort of thing goes beyond concussions, but it might be worse there because there is so much unknown about brain injuries, and the person often appears to be ok from the outside. Rosters are so tight and teams so closely matched, players who do not suit up for whatever reason are quickly cast aside. Teams are not willing to let players properly and completley heal before putting them back in the fray.
EXTREMELY :yes: That is the down side of the NFL, everyone is quick to say that this player is this or that: injury prone, the next Jerry Rice, the best blocker...ect. It is very easy to lose focus that these players are human and have much to worry about later on in life. While I never made it anywhere with football past JC, I still have minor to medium back pain almost every day (and it seems to get worse) but did I ever complain once to my trainers/coaches...hell no because I thought it would lessen my value to the team or make me a liability. I can't imagine what must go on in the big leagues.

Edit to add: reminds me of a Hunter/Lesh composition but they were writing about death...however, the same could be held to this same train of thought:

"Such a long long time to be gone but a short time to be here"

 
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When someone has the right to fire you I think it may be unrealistic to say he could have just said no.

I think this happens on many teams but maybe some of the coaches that are former players have more respect for players and see them more as people than pieces of the puzzle of how to win?

It bothers me when a player on the downside of his career would be handled differently than one of the top players who may have been sat for a couple of months instead of risking making the injury worse. A player that can easily be replaced next year does not have the same value to the coach.

 
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I think it's a bit naive to suggest that Johnson could be a big boy and disregard Belichick's pressure to practice, and anyone who would suggest that probably (a) never had to literally fight for a job he wanted to keep and (b) never has had to work for a powerful and unforgiving boss (let alone never playing in the NFL and living that pressure).

 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
I loathe Belichick, but I'm not buying this story...Sorry, but you can't 'force' somebody to play.If Ted Johnson had such a problem with it, why didn't he take it up with the NFLPA when it occurred?
yeah- the NFLPA has always been highly supportive of all non-salary issues regarding NFL players. :loco: just look at how they protect players from drug damage, amphetamine use, etc. :o They also did a fine job with the pension program for retired players- at least the ones that didn't die from steroid abuse. :ph34r:
 
Clearly players continuing to put themselves in harm's way is not a good thing, but hasn't this been the way of the world for football pretty much all along?

As I recall, this kind of practice has gone on without much fanfare since I started watching football from the early 70s on. With the advent of the salary cap, IMO many players fear getting released and not earning a paycheck (or a decent contract next time around). Head traume and concussions have been a big concern based on the lack of line of sight physical damage. You can see broken bones or a guy that can't walk. You can't see if a guy's mind has been knocked around.

 
Donnybrook said:
After reading about Johnson's problems, I believe it is time for Dan Morgan to retire.
He needed to stop before the last two concussions. Maybe this story will help bring him to his senses.
 
Isn't this an issue that is pervasive with the entire league?

That being said, I think coaches should know when the draw the line between joint/bone injuries, et al and brain injuries. One should be more careful regarding brain/other organ injuries.

 
Concussions are serious stuff, they can do lasting damage, and it's good to see the effects of them being discussed more frequently in public. Lifelong brain damage is just awful. It's an inevitable part of boxing, but it doesn't have to be an inevitable part of the NFL, at least not to the extent it is now.

Johnson, who helped the Patriots win three Super Bowl titles before retiring two years ago, told The New York Times that a collision with another player during that 2002 practice led to another concussion. And, after sustaining additional concussions over the next three seasons, he now forgets people's names, misses appointments and suffers from depression and an addiction to amphetamines."There's something wrong with me," Johnson, 34, told the Times in a story posted on its Web site Thursday night. "There's something wrong with my brain. "
After returning to game action, the linebacker sustained more concussions of varying severity over the following three seasons, each of them exacerbating the next, according to his current neurologist, Dr. Robert Cantu. Cantu told the Times he was certain that Johnson's problems "are related to his previous head injuries, as they are all rather classic postconcussion symptoms." He added, "They are most likely permanent."Cantu, the chief of neurosurgery and director of sports medicine at Emerson Hospital in Concord, Mass., also said Johnson shows signs of early Alzheimer's disease.
Where the blame is shifted in Ted Johnson's case is less important overall than changes by the NFL, teams, and NFLPA to protect players from stuff like this to a greater degree than at present. Violent contact is a part of football, but head injuries need to be treated as more important and more threatening than arm/leg/body injuries. An independent doctor at each game, not employed by either team, seems like a small expense.
 
I had posted this in a thread about Roethlisberger back in October. Seems appropriate yet again.

I just got my latest issue of ESPN Magazine and there's a feature article about the NFL and concussions. The article opens recounting a story published in the New York Daily News. In 2003, Wayne Chrebet was knocked unconscience during a game. A quarter later, the team doctor put him through a series of mental tests. Chrebet performed adequately so the doctor, Elliot Pellman, says to him "This is very important for you, very important for your career...are you OK?" Chrebet says, "I"m fine". Pellman sent him back in. Experts outside of the NFL say a player who's knocked unconscience should never be allowed to go back into a game. But the doctor's are paid by the team.

That same doctor Pellman was put in charge of the NFL's committee to research concussions (Mild Traumatic Brain Injury Committee). The MTBI drew conclusions about head trauma that contradicts research of most other doctors outside of the NFL. Not surprisingly, the MTBI's research concluded that players who suffer concussions are safe to play, without increased risk, much sooner.

The article continues...Several of the country's preeminent neurosurgeons and neuropsychologists have grown concerned that the league is putting players at risk by following Pellman's lead. They've had their doubts since the early days of his appointment to lead the committee. For one thing, Pellman is a rheumatologist by training - specializing in the treatment of joints and muscles - not a neurologist. He would say things in speeches like "I don't know much about concussions, I learn from my players".

The New York Times revealed last year that Pellman attended med school in Guadalajara, Mexico, and does not hold a medical degree from SUNY Stony Brook as he once claimed.

This is the man responsible for establishing the guidelines the NFL have established to determine if a player is 'fine' enough to return the game. Even franchise QB's (with 2 concussions in the last 4 months) in a "must win" game.

 
Where the blame is shifted in Ted Johnson's case is less important overall than changes by the NFL, teams, and NFLPA to protect players from stuff like this to a greater degree than at present.
Another good point. Only BB, TJ, and the trainers know whose "fault" this was in this particular case, or whether this was a simple miscommunication. But as I read about the stories about players like Waters and Mercury Morris and TJ after retirement, it becomes clear to me that there is a systemic issue that needs to be addressed between the NFL and the NFLPA. I just hope they don't put it off until the next CBA, or later.Kudos to TJ for getting his story out there and adding to the dialogue.
 
The article is kind of puzzling when you consider THIS article from just a couple of months ago:

Former Patriots [team stats] linebacker Ted Johnson would have considered coming back to play this year had the team called. “After (Junior) Seau went down I must have gotten 10 messages from my friends saying, ‘You’re going to get a call, you’re going to get a call.’ And I never did,” Johnson said yesterday on 890 ESPN radio. “But say he (Bill Belichick) did call, I could go out there right now and do goal-line, short-yardage stuff.”Johnson, who shed about 10-15 pounds from his playing days, said the post-concussion syndrome that led him to retire two years ago never prevented him from playing. He just made a choice. And if he returned, he said, he wouldn’t accept minimum-level money.“I had independent doctors tell me I shouldn’t play,” said Johnson. “But my team doctors did not tell me that. I was cleared to play. That was a personal choice I made when I sought out second and third opinions. It’d be a health risk (to come back) for sure, and I’d ask for a little bump up in salary, if I was going to go back out there and bash my head in there, too.”
:moneybag:
 
It also needs to be asked here: where was the trainer?
:thumbdown: to me, that is the heart of the issue here.

Trainers and doctors should determine if players are fit to play... not players and coaches.

and in that same thinking, the idea of TEAM doctors is a bit absurd... exactly who's best interests is a TEAM doctor looking out for? the team or player?

there needs to be a third party of medical experts involved to determine who'd fit to play and who isn't.

From Workhorse's article above:

"I had independent doctors tell me I shouldn’t play,” said Johnson. “But my team doctors did not tell me that. I was cleared to play"

 
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From Workhorse's article above:

"I had independent doctors tell me I shouldn’t play,” said Johnson. “But my team doctors did not tell me that. I was cleared to play"
Not sure if the NFL can look back on this in anyway but they'll probably be all over the Pats docs now.
 
It also needs to be asked here: where was the trainer?
:thumbdown: to me, that is the heart of the issue here.

Trainers and doctors should determine if players are fit to play... not players and coaches.

and in that same thinking, the idea of TEAM doctors is a bit absurd... exactly who's best interests is a TEAM doctor looking out for? the team or player?

there needs to be a third party of medical experts involved to determine who'd fit to play and who isn't.

From Workhorse's article above:

"I had independent doctors tell me I shouldn’t play,” said Johnson. “But my team doctors did not tell me that. I was cleared to play"
I think you answerred your own Q, the bolded part with your italics part.
 
I think you answerred your own Q, the bolded part with your italics part.
the idea of team doctors having the teams' best interests first is nothing new... and that goes for all sports.the medical staffs need to be independant, third-party, experts. We hear similar stories with pitchers in baseball... the team doctor says the arm is OK to go, the private doctor says no.
 
I think you answerred your own Q, the bolded part with your italics part.
the idea of team doctors having the teams' best interests first is nothing new... and that goes for all sports.the medical staffs need to be independant, third-party, experts. We hear similar stories with pitchers in baseball... the team doctor says the arm is OK to go, the private doctor says no.
I don't disagree. That said, keep in mind many wonderful private doctors do not have sports experience.
 
With whatever respect due to him, Ted J may not be all there either. Hopefully a statement can be given by the training staff for the Pats?

 
I've thought about this topic very much. If I were an owner, I'd suggest the NFL conduct concussion lectures just like they do with lots of other thngs. When NFL rookies come in, they are subject to seminars like how to prevent being bamboozled out of their money by hooking up with shaky biz men. I'd think this topic is 100 times more pertinent.

I'd also like to see a player get a "medical suspension" or "moratorium" anytime he gets a concussion until this issue is put right by the league. Require each guy sits at least two games following a concussion.

The jax jaguars were damn near black market hacks when it came to medical issues under Tom "Soup Nazi" Coughlin. I watched a TV story where they performed a surgery on a guy on an unsterile training table in some office. If this were done by some hospital they'd have lost their license.

Give me all you want about how the NFL stands for "Not For Ladies" but this is an absolutely arcane, barbaric league that needs to be reeled in.

 
I've thought about this topic very much. If I were an owner, I'd suggest the NFL conduct concussion lectures just like they do with lots of other thngs. When NFL rookies come in, they are subject to seminars like how to prevent being bamboozled out of their money by hooking up with shaky biz men. I'd think this topic is 100 times more pertinent.

I'd also like to see a player get a "medical suspension" or "moratorium" anytime he gets a concussion until this issue is put right by the league. Require each guy sits at least two games following a concussion.

The jax jaguars were damn near black market hacks when it came to medical issues under Tom "Soup Nazi" Coughlin. I watched a TV story where they performed a surgery on a guy on an unsterile training table in some office. If this were done by some hospital they'd have lost their license.

Give me all you want about how the NFL stands for "Not For Ladies" but this is an absolutely arcane, barbaric league that needs to be reeled in.
Maybe it's time for 100% guaranteed contracts in the NFL, to prevent guys from doing permanent damage to themselves in order to continue to collect a paycheck.
 
I've thought about this topic very much. If I were an owner, I'd suggest the NFL conduct concussion lectures just like they do with lots of other thngs. When NFL rookies come in, they are subject to seminars like how to prevent being bamboozled out of their money by hooking up with shaky biz men. I'd think this topic is 100 times more pertinent.

I'd also like to see a player get a "medical suspension" or "moratorium" anytime he gets a concussion until this issue is put right by the league. Require each guy sits at least two games following a concussion.

The jax jaguars were damn near black market hacks when it came to medical issues under Tom "Soup Nazi" Coughlin. I watched a TV story where they performed a surgery on a guy on an unsterile training table in some office. If this were done by some hospital they'd have lost their license.

Give me all you want about how the NFL stands for "Not For Ladies" but this is an absolutely arcane, barbaric league that needs to be reeled in.
Maybe it's time for 100% guaranteed contracts in the NFL, to prevent guys from doing permanent damage to themselves in order to continue to collect a paycheck.
When you have all your former employees killing themselves and going bezerker, I think it's about time for something.Lemme ask you a question, would you want to be around a former NFL player who is bipolar and had multiple concussions while in the league? Throw in some steroid abuse just to make it fun.

 
I've thought about this topic very much. If I were an owner, I'd suggest the NFL conduct concussion lectures just like they do with lots of other thngs. When NFL rookies come in, they are subject to seminars like how to prevent being bamboozled out of their money by hooking up with shaky biz men. I'd think this topic is 100 times more pertinent.

I'd also like to see a player get a "medical suspension" or "moratorium" anytime he gets a concussion until this issue is put right by the league. Require each guy sits at least two games following a concussion.

The jax jaguars were damn near black market hacks when it came to medical issues under Tom "Soup Nazi" Coughlin. I watched a TV story where they performed a surgery on a guy on an unsterile training table in some office. If this were done by some hospital they'd have lost their license.

Give me all you want about how the NFL stands for "Not For Ladies" but this is an absolutely arcane, barbaric league that needs to be reeled in.
Maybe it's time for 100% guaranteed contracts in the NFL, to prevent guys from doing permanent damage to themselves in order to continue to collect a paycheck.
When you have all your former employees killing themselves and going bezerker, I think it's about time for something.Lemme ask you a question, would you want to be around a former NFL player who is bipolar and had multiple concussions while in the league? Throw in some steroid abuse just to make it fun.
Agreed. Hey I love the NFL, but it's obvious that the entire league is a meatgrinder.
 
Lemme ask you a question, would you want to be around a former NFL player who is bipolar and had multiple concussions while in the league? Throw in some steroid abuse just to make it fun.
Serious Q-Is the life expectancy of a normal man much greater than that of an NFL player?
 
If this is 100% true or not, BB has to be one of the least likable sports figures around. What a jerk and he doesn't even pretend.

 
Serenity Now said:
You read that entire piece, and the BB angle is the part you took out of it? :) IMO, what you should be taking out of it is the devastating impact of these types of repetitive injuries, but hey, make another Belichick bashing story out of it instead.
Did you READ the TITLE, it calls out Belichek. I just posted it, don't hate on the messengerThe title on ESPN is "Johnson says Pats coach ignored LB's concussion" I wrote " Belichek being accused by former player....Ted Johnson says he forced him to play w/ concussion"I think that's pretty dead on and I was trying to lean towards BB's side since I used accused. An accusation is not truth. It is one person saying something against another. Now, I'm not a lawyer or a police officer or a judge, but I think it is fair to say that Ted Johnson is accusing Belichek of something is it not?The link from the main page reads, "Ex-Pats linebacker blames Belichick for depression" Would you rather I have posted it like that? Serenity, live up to your nick, inner peace dude, think before you post. Go read the article before you ask if somebody else read the article. Also, the ESPN article was focused on the accusation. At the time I posted, that's all I read. The NY Times and Boston Globe articles may have showed more on the Johnson side. But that is why I started a thread on it, so that those articles could be posted since I didn't see them. You know have a discussion on it. Gee, what a novel idea.How do these idiots even get on this board, it just amazes me.
 
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My 2 Takeaways:

#1 What is most disturbing is the dates in this thread with respect to both Ted Johnson and also Wayne Chrebet, that being that these incidents ocurred in 2002-2005 and were not stories from 20+ years ago.

#2 While true that there needs to be much more "awareness" and individual responsibility at the player level, if this story went down as described in the article, I hold BB more accountable than many posters on this thread do. The very nature of many (most?) football players is that they want to get back on the field earlier than they should and that is incumbent upon the trainers/doctors/coaches to be well informed enough to render restraint when needed. I have seen many coaches first hand at the youth, high school and small college level, the NORM today (and 2002-2005 is today for this conversation) is that most coaches will not at all involve themselves in the decision process as to when a player should return from a head injury. For good reasons they distance themselves from that decision and many want to see the "clearance to resume full contact" in writing from the doctor and trainer. BB actually playing any role in this decision is simply a reflection of his detached analytical perspective that the potential gains to his larger team were the worth the increased deferred risks to Johnson. Now maybe this story is a newspaper angle, but there are enough quotes from Johnson himself to give it some merit and is in The New York Times and not PFT.

 
Lemme ask you a question, would you want to be around a former NFL player who is bipolar and had multiple concussions while in the league? Throw in some steroid abuse just to make it fun.
Serious Q-Is the life expectancy of a normal man much greater than that of an NFL player?
I remember hearing or reading something a long time ago (~ 20 years or so) to the effect that life expectancy of lineman (O and D) was in the 50's.Would love to see an updated study, so don't at all take my statement as being factual.I believe that the factor larger than cumulative injuries (and at the time, reckless use of painkillers, etc) was the fact that larger bodies don't last as long. The average weight of lineman (O and D combined) is ~ 300 lbs. When a guy stops playing at age 30, weighs 300 lbs most will need to make some serious life altering changes in their day to day habits to last into their 80's
 
I'm sure Ted Johnson felt pressured by some young buck replacing him as a starter if he didn't 'play hurt'.

There's a conflict of interest for any team doctor.

They're supposed to look out for the health of the player - yet they're employed by the team.

Johnson will have a tough time proving that Belichick 'made' him practice hurt - that's all I was trying to say earlier.

 

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