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Belichick Haters - Lighten Up (1 Viewer)

Forget all the fancy blitz schemes, hybrid formations and pre-snap audibles. If your front 4 can get past their front 5 without LB help, its over. The patriots, despite having 3 pro-bowlers on the O-line, an all time great coach and QB, and the best 3rd down back in the NFL, could not keep the Giants D-Line out of the backfield. As a result, they lost.
Forget shutdown corners...
 
When you start a season by getting caught cheating, go through a season intentionally running up the score on all of your opponents, then get caught at the end for cheating again you are going to draw a lot of ire. He's as much a face of that franchise as Brady. It's just the way it is. For those of us who aren't really Giants fans it's nice to see karma come around and smack BB in the head.That obviously doesn't mean that I don't recognize the great game played by the Giants. They were able to do what noone else could do on the biggest stage of them all.
:lmao: I have no problem with the Pats pushing the envelope of "cheating", running up the score, etc. However when you lose don't expect anyone to offer a shoulder to cry on.In the FFA we talk some smack back and forth about college football. Because I do that I certainly expect a lot of flack coming my way when my team stumbles.And that's ok. But don't whine about it.
 
Team on the field - the coach stays. Patriots have a great year - the wonder is how they have kept this team together the past seasons. Being a Rams fan, got to be happy that they got beat. If you would like to read a column by the sports writer,Bernie Miklasz, for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch; this sums up most of the feeling here.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/co...97?OpenDocument

 
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I'm a Packer fan, and although I think the Packers this year could have beaten the Pats if they'd played a great game, I don't think they would have beaten the Pats. Congrats to all the Giants fans out there, well done. It also makes it easier for me that the Pack lost to the team that ended up winning it all. They were truly the best team in the playoffs this year IMO.

The Giants seemed to want it more, right from the get go, and as Joe said, punched the Pats in the mouth right away, and never let up. Like the mouse in the Doritos commercial.

As for Bellicheat being the best coach ever, I don't see how you can say that. He was caught cheating at the beginning of the year, and it's just surfaced that he's cheated in other SB's. So, how can you call a cheat the greatest coach ever. He might be the greatest cheating coach (to get caught anyway) ever, but that's about it. He sure didn't live up to the hype yesterday.

As for piling it on, I say jump on the bandwagon and let him have it. He's arrogant and cocky, and a CHEATER. Why do people overlook the fact that he cheated, was caught. Just give him a pass on that, no way.

I also think the NFL is lame, in that they gave a cheater coach of the year. He shouldn't have even been eligible for that honor, not that it's a big deal or anything, but sure sends a great message to the kids. Cheat, get caught, get fined the largest amount possible, lose a draft pick, and oh yeah, win coach of the year. That's great stuff.

 
Stop piling on a guy WHO WAS PILING IT ON ALL SEASON?
I agree. That's why he deserves no slack.
For me it's not so much that he disrespected the Giants, but he's pretty much disrespecting his own team by walking out early. They got beat, it happens, and here is the guy who's their leader just rushing out early, in a cowardly manner. He should have stayed and walked out with his team, together. Bellichick's no doubt a brilliant coach but combine that with his arrogance and track record of shady behavior is not going to generate much sympathy. The players and fans (not all of them mind you) that were poppin' off all year deserve no sympathy either.
 
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I'm not so sure Joe.

Last night, I chalked the whole thing up to BB believing the game was over. He didn't waste any time getting out there to congratulate Caughlin.

But this morning, thinking about it more, it doesn't click. He had to have known there was still time on the clock, and even so, he should at least stay on the sidelines until the final snap is played.

At the end of the day, legends get perpetuated. I can't count the number of posts that took mundane issues or luck, and painted them as Patriot genius. Conversely, if BB didn't have such reputation of being an arrogant schmuck, these accusations wouldn't be so forthcoming.

But I'll play my own devils' advocate here, all the same:

I wasn't glue to the postgame footage about when he actually walked off the field, and just because a bunch of tool-posters say something doesn't make it true.

I can also see a security issue. When the field gets overrun with people, there's a valid reason to get away from it as soon as possible.
:goodposting: So only the losing team is endanger when the field gets over run? I did not see the Giants running for security.
No, my point was, that BB might be a bigger target because of his reputation than most of the giants. I'm not saying his life was in danger though.
I know you were being a devil's advocate so I am not going to fight you on this... I think you realize that that was a stretch at best.
 
Stop piling on a guy WHO WAS PILING IT ON ALL SEASON?
I agree. That's why he deserves no slack.
We're not running up the gloating, we're just keeping our gloating sharp. Anyway, it's up to the Patriots fans to stop us.
:goodposting: Speaking of which, where are all the Patriot fans today??
Some are here, taking their medicine. Not much to say, I guess. Great game by the Giants, tough loss to take. To the Giants and their fans, Congratulations. To the "pile on the Patriots" guys, have your fun. There's a whole lot of crow to be served.
 
I have been happy since last night. Nothing but joy here! But I do think the "greatest coach of our generation" comment is a big statement that is..... well.... big. Obviously a very good coach, I will give him that, but he was clearly out coached last night.
So he was outcoached on night (granted, the biggest of his career). No one else in our generation is even close imo, unless somehow Belichick suddenly reverts to his brown days - and with Brady at the helm, that's not going to happen.
Joe I personally think you are a class act and your ability to rise above trivial disputes and keep things on an even keel is one of the reasons I always enjoy your posts.However, I find it difficult to agree with the notion that Bellichick is the greatest coach of our generation with so much evidence and speculation surrounding his illegal actions. If he has continually and consistently been videoing opposing teams illegally then he shouldn't be considered the greatest of all time, but rather an example of unfettered amibition with no regard for the rules that is a stain on the game the same as steroids is to baseball.As was also mentioned earlier, BB is the face of the Pats and I used to like them before he came along. My desire to see them lose was predictated as much on wanting to see BB fail as anything else. When he refused to remain on the field while his players finished the game he elected to react in a classless manner like a petulant child who didn't get to buy a toy at Target. The official was trying to tell him that the game wasn't over and he ignored him, shook Coughlins hand and left the field. There is absolutely no excuse for his actions and I can only hope that the NFL responds appropriately.These are only my opinions, but I personally cannot separate BB from the Pats and until such time as he elects to show the same respect he expects paid to him I will continue to root against the Pats.
 
I have been happy since last night. Nothing but joy here! But I do think the "greatest coach of our generation" comment is a big statement that is..... well.... big. Obviously a very good coach, I will give him that, but he was clearly out coached last night.
So he was outcoached on night (granted, the biggest of his career). No one else in our generation is even close imo, unless somehow Belichick suddenly reverts to his brown days - and with Brady at the helm, that's not going to happen.
Joe I personally think you are a class act and your ability to rise above trivial disputes and keep things on an even keel is one of the reasons I always enjoy your posts.However, I find it difficult to agree with the notion that Bellichick is the greatest coach of our generation with so much evidence and speculation surrounding his illegal actions. If he has continually and consistently been videoing opposing teams illegally then he shouldn't be considered the greatest of all time, but rather an example of unfettered amibition with no regard for the rules that is a stain on the game the same as steroids is to baseball.As was also mentioned earlier, BB is the face of the Pats and I used to like them before he came along. My desire to see them lose was predictated as much on wanting to see BB fail as anything else. When he refused to remain on the field while his players finished the game he elected to react in a classless manner like a petulant child who didn't get to buy a toy at Target. The official was trying to tell him that the game wasn't over and he ignored him, shook Coughlins hand and left the field. There is absolutely no excuse for his actions and I can only hope that the NFL responds appropriately.These are only my opinions, but I personally cannot separate BB from the Pats and until such time as he elects to show the same respect he expects paid to him I will continue to root against the Pats.
:mellow: Question... if it is confirmed there is more cheating then what happens? Do they take away the other 1st rounder? Do they take away their whole draft? Do they ban Belicheck from the game? I mean, they are coming down hard on guys (rightfully so) for off the field stuff that hurts the game... I would say that cheating on this level is much more harmful to the game than anything Pacman has done.
 
As a non-Pats fan living in NE, I have been ecstatic since last night. I tried in vein to call into WEEI's real post game with Smerlas and Shepard last night, but I couldn't get through. Personally, I don't think the Pats will be back in the Super Bowl anytime soon because of 2 things: #1-- that defense is old, especially at LB and assuming they lose Samuel they'll need a lot of new pieces and #2-- I truly believe that Moss will walk away to a bigger contract elsewhere. Without Moss, that offense will not be near as good which means teams won't have to try to play catch-up next year will make it even more difficult for their defense.

I also don't think we'll see a better "villain" than the Pats were this year. Start with Harrison getting caught cheating with HGH, then spygate, then the they run up the score on everyone they can, the dirty play of Wilfork and the continued "dirty" play of Harrison (late hits unsportsmanlike penalties) and on top of all that you have Belichick, the biggest pompous ### in sports. That's not mentioning the checkered background of Randy "I play when I want" Moss. So that collection of characters and incidents comes into the Super Bowl undefeated to play against the ultimate underdogs. Again, they were the perfect villain.

 
Joe, I understand and respect what you are trying to say. You have to understand the arrogance that many (not all) Pats fans have shown all season long and the attempt to brush under the rug the real issues and core reasons people despise BB so much. I also realize, many are probably ready to retire this topic and move on to better things. That part I can agree with.

Having said that, there are sooooo many reasons for the fans to dislike the guy. If you believe him to be the greatest of our generation, that is your right. Your opinion is given a lot of respect due to your wonderful site as well as your reputation, but you have to understand this is probably not going to be shared with many, other than Pats fans. I'm a Dallas fan as an example and would argue that Jimmy Johnson is twice the coach that BB is. Obviously I am biased and believe if JJ stayed in Dallas, they probably win 4 straight superbowls and maybe even more. Yes, that is a lot of homerism, but there are lots of coaches in "our generation" that could be argued as better than BB. Lots of coaches with HUGE egos just like BB, but they all handle themselves much better, in my opinion.

 
Congrats Joe, you're now on timschochet's level. Be proud.
What level? For saying stop piling on Belichick and be happy about how the players did?J
Sorry Joe, you made your own bed. You let Pats fans troll as much and often as they wanted over the past three months, and you don't want other fans to now have their say? That's hypocritical.If you had banned a few of the Pats fans or restored some order earlier, when people like me were reporting these guys, I'm sure the bandying back and forth now would be much more civil.As for Belichick, that was totally classless, and just confirmed what most people here thought of him already, that's all I have to say on that.
 
Congrats Joe, you're now on timschochet's level. Be proud.
What level? For saying stop piling on Belichick and be happy about how the players did?J
Sorry Joe, you made your own bed. You let Pats fans troll as much and often as they wanted over the past three months, and you don't want other fans to now have their say? That's hypocritical.If you had banned a few of the Pats fans or restored some order earlier, when people like me were reporting these guys, I'm sure the bandying back and forth now would be much more civil.As for Belichick, that was totally classless, and just confirmed what most people here thought of him already, that's all I have to say on that.
I really do not understand why people get so riled up over Joe or any other mod. They try to do good work that is sometimes not easy. If you disagree with them, fine, but no reason to attack them for trying to keep things from getting out of control.
 
Congrats Joe, you're now on timschochet's level. Be proud.
What level? For saying stop piling on Belichick and be happy about how the players did?J
Sorry Joe, you made your own bed. You let Pats fans troll as much and often as they wanted over the past three months, and you don't want other fans to now have their say? That's hypocritical.If you had banned a few of the Pats fans or restored some order earlier, when people like me were reporting these guys, I'm sure the bandying back and forth now would be much more civil.As for Belichick, that was totally classless, and just confirmed what most people here thought of him already, that's all I have to say on that.
But I thought timschoet hated the Pats? Have to check my notebook. I get about 50% complaints this board is rampantly anti Patriots and 50% complaints I let the board be rampantly pro Patriots. So I think that probably means I'm about right. Or wrong. J
 
Joe Bryant said:
switz said:
Congrats Joe, you're now on timschochet's level. Be proud.
What level? For saying stop piling on Belichick and be happy about how the players did?J
Sorry Joe, you made your own bed. You let Pats fans troll as much and often as they wanted over the past three months, and you don't want other fans to now have their say? That's hypocritical.If you had banned a few of the Pats fans or restored some order earlier, when people like me were reporting these guys, I'm sure the bandying back and forth now would be much more civil.As for Belichick, that was totally classless, and just confirmed what most people here thought of him already, that's all I have to say on that.
But I thought timschoet hated the Pats? Have to check my notebook. I get about 50% complaints this board is rampantly anti Patriots and 50% complaints I let the board be rampantly pro Patriots. So I think that probably means I'm about right. Or wrong. J
I think you solve this problem, Joe, by making "Patriots" appear as "########".
 
switz said:
Congrats Joe, you're now on timschochet's level. Be proud.
What level? For saying stop piling on Belichick and be happy about how the players did?J
Sorry Joe, you made your own bed. You let Pats fans troll as much and often as they wanted over the past three months, and you don't want other fans to now have their say? That's hypocritical.If you had banned a few of the Pats fans or restored some order earlier, when people like me were reporting these guys, I'm sure the bandying back and forth now would be much more civil.As for Belichick, that was totally classless, and just confirmed what most people here thought of him already, that's all I have to say on that.
Historical revisionism. Joe has well documented opinions on the Patriots, fans, etc. but that does not prevent this board from being administered impartially.- Recipient of a 2 week ban for breakin da rules.
 
Joe Bryant said:
But I thought timschoet hated the Pats? Have to check my notebook. I get about 50% complaints this board is rampantly anti Patriots and 50% complaints I let the board be rampantly pro Patriots. So I think that probably means I'm about right. Or wrong. J
:mellow: You got me on that one. :)
 
The defense made Laurence Maroney turn back the clock 3 months and look totally inneffective.Plaxico Burress caught the game winning TD on a fade route making it look like childs play.J
These two points are spot on and bothered me the most about last night. Plax vs. Hobbs alone, no help. Hello!?!?
That surprised me too, dudaman. Especially at the end zone. I like Hobbs but that looked like a mismatch with Burress' height.J
Ironically, it was similar to Moss being left alone on his TD. But even I (who was rooting for the Giants) kept screaming "How did they leave Plax with one guy?!?!?!" But, in all fairness, Plax hadn't done much and Tyree and Smith had been catching a lot of balls too.
 
The defense made Laurence Maroney turn back the clock 3 months and look totally inneffective.Plaxico Burress caught the game winning TD on a fade route making it look like childs play.J
These two points are spot on and bothered me the most about last night. Plax vs. Hobbs alone, no help. Hello!?!?
That surprised me too, dudaman. Especially at the end zone. I like Hobbs but that looked like a mismatch with Burress' height.J
Ironically, it was similar to Moss being left alone on his TD. But even I (who was rooting for the Giants) kept screaming "How did they leave Plax with one guy?!?!?!" But, in all fairness, Plax hadn't done much and Tyree and Smith had been catching a lot of balls too.
Yes DG. I thought the exact same thing with Moss at the goal line. Both TDs were way too easy.J
 
Jets fan here. I'm pretty much on cloud nine at this point.The thing i took from last night is that the ability to pass rush with your front 4 is by far the most important aspect of NFL football today. Forget all the fancy blitz schemes, hybrid formations and pre-snap audibles. If your front 4 can get past their front 5 without LB help, its over. The patriots, despite having 3 pro-bowlers on the O-line, an all time great coach and QB, and the best 3rd down back in the NFL, could not keep the Giants D-Line out of the backfield. As a result, they lost.
Well, I am sure the NFL will close that loophole pretty quick. Maybe a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty if you send more than three guys. Can't have the passing game getting shutdown like that in today's NFL..
 
The defense made Laurence Maroney turn back the clock 3 months and look totally inneffective.Plaxico Burress caught the game winning TD on a fade route making it look like childs play.J
These two points are spot on and bothered me the most about last night. Plax vs. Hobbs alone, no help. Hello!?!?
That surprised me too, dudaman. Especially at the end zone. I like Hobbs but that looked like a mismatch with Burress' height.J
Ironically, it was similar to Moss being left alone on his TD. But even I (who was rooting for the Giants) kept screaming "How did they leave Plax with one guy?!?!?!" But, in all fairness, Plax hadn't done much and Tyree and Smith had been catching a lot of balls too.
Yes DG. I thought the exact same thing with Moss at the goal line. Both TDs were way too easy.J
I understand taking a chance with Moss one on one - because you need to account for Faulk (not sure if he was back at that point or not), Welker, Stallworth and Gaffney somewhere, Watson... if you think that you can man up moss in a certain defense, you need to occassionally take that chance. Had the defender not fallen down there could have been a played made.With plax, I dont get it. Toomer has really come through, but you don't have options like Welker and co. to worry about. Not much excuse to have Plaxico, their obvious target, covered by a DB on an island.
 
Lots of people hate Belichick and the Patriots. I get that. I think he's the greatest coach of our generation but I've been very critical of him over things.But here's what happened last night:The Giants punched the team that was supposed to be the Greatest Team Of All Time right in the mouth last night. And the Greatest Team Of All Time went to their knees.The defense rattled Brady into looking like a very mortal QB.The defense made Randy Moss look very human.The defense made Laurence Maroney turn back the clock 3 months and look totally inneffective.Eli Manning looked like he wanted the ball trailing 4 points with 2 minutes on the clock and delivered when it mattered with great poise and athleticism basically giving the finger to millions of naysayers. Ernie Accorsi could finally smile.Steve Smith and David Tyree emerged as viable weapons with Smith making very headsup plays and Tyree pulling down an impossible catch.Plaxico Burress caught the game winning TD on a fade route making it look like childs play.Giants fans and Patriot haters should revel in that. There is TONS to be joyful over.But the rabid piling on over Belichick leaving the field after shaking hands with Coughlin just seems goofy. Celebrate punching New England in the mouth. J
Count on Classless Joe to pour on more salt when the Patriots fans are licking their wounds. :thumbdown:
 
Lots of people hate Belichick and the Patriots. I get that. I think he's the greatest coach of our generation but I've been very critical of him over things.But here's what happened last night:The Giants punched the team that was supposed to be the Greatest Team Of All Time right in the mouth last night. And the Greatest Team Of All Time went to their knees.The defense rattled Brady into looking like a very mortal QB.The defense made Randy Moss look very human.The defense made Laurence Maroney turn back the clock 3 months and look totally inneffective.Eli Manning looked like he wanted the ball trailing 4 points with 2 minutes on the clock and delivered when it mattered with great poise and athleticism basically giving the finger to millions of naysayers. Ernie Accorsi could finally smile.Steve Smith and David Tyree emerged as viable weapons with Smith making very headsup plays and Tyree pulling down an impossible catch.Plaxico Burress caught the game winning TD on a fade route making it look like childs play.Giants fans and Patriot haters should revel in that. There is TONS to be joyful over.But the rabid piling on over Belichick leaving the field after shaking hands with Coughlin just seems goofy. Celebrate punching New England in the mouth. J
Count on Classless Joe to pour on more salt when the Patriots fans are licking their wounds. :rolleyes:
We are all pointing and laughing at you. Can you hear us - LMAO
 
Lots of people hate Belichick and the Patriots. I get that. I think he's the greatest coach of our generation but I've been very critical of him over things.But here's what happened last night:The Giants punched the team that was supposed to be the Greatest Team Of All Time right in the mouth last night. And the Greatest Team Of All Time went to their knees.The defense rattled Brady into looking like a very mortal QB.The defense made Randy Moss look very human.The defense made Laurence Maroney turn back the clock 3 months and look totally inneffective.Eli Manning looked like he wanted the ball trailing 4 points with 2 minutes on the clock and delivered when it mattered with great poise and athleticism basically giving the finger to millions of naysayers. Ernie Accorsi could finally smile.Steve Smith and David Tyree emerged as viable weapons with Smith making very headsup plays and Tyree pulling down an impossible catch.Plaxico Burress caught the game winning TD on a fade route making it look like childs play.Giants fans and Patriot haters should revel in that. There is TONS to be joyful over.But the rabid piling on over Belichick leaving the field after shaking hands with Coughlin just seems goofy. Celebrate punching New England in the mouth. J
I think it's a good post but your last line was childish.
 
Bellichick leaving the field early was a non-event to me - par for the course. Lord knows he wasn't going to shake hands with the winning coach TWICE.

The Pats have looked beatable the past month+. It is not surprising to me at all that the Vegas books took a beating on the Giants money line. Many people (me included) felt they had a great chance to win outright. I will say that I was impressed with many of the Pats post game comments (Moss, etc). They gave the Giants credit for the win and didn't whine. Just got outplayed. That being said, I'm one of millions that couldn't have been happier to see Bill B and the crew (fans included) get their comeuppance. Their arrogance was off the charts. Bill's grand plan, in the end, didn't work. Couldn't be happier. Hope he has a throughly miserable off season running up Madden 2008 on his kids. (Childish, I know. But it feels good.") I don't feel this way about any other sports figure - even Bonds and Rose, both who are total aholes in my opinion (personal experience).

 
As a Patriot fan, I feel bad for Brady and Crew, especially Seau. I don't feel bad for Belichick. I can definitely separate feelings for the coach vs. the team.

 
Lots of people hate Belichick and the Patriots. I get that. I think he's the greatest coach of our generation but I've been very critical of him over things.

But here's what happened last night:

The Giants punched the team that was supposed to be the Greatest Team Of All Time right in the mouth last night. And the Greatest Team Of All Time went to their knees.

The defense rattled Brady into looking like a very mortal QB.

The defense made Randy Moss look very human.

The defense made Laurence Maroney turn back the clock 3 months and look totally inneffective.

Eli Manning looked like he wanted the ball trailing 4 points with 2 minutes on the clock and delivered when it mattered with great poise and athleticism basically giving the finger to millions of naysayers. Ernie Accorsi could finally smile.

Steve Smith and David Tyree emerged as viable weapons with Smith making very headsup plays and Tyree pulling down an impossible catch.

Plaxico Burress caught the game winning TD on a fade route making it look like childs play.

Giants fans and Patriot haters should revel in that. There is TONS to be joyful over.

J
All the above is true, PLUS Belichick left his team behind on the field to finish losing the game while he got the hell out of there.It's not exactly Watergate in the grand scheme of things, but it was an absolutely classless move which should leave no doubt in the mind of anyone left on the fence about Belichick's true nature.

It's silly to try and excise BB's classless final futile gesture out of the SB story.

It happened.

 
Lots of people hate Belichick and the Patriots. I get that. I think he's the greatest coach of our generation but I've been very critical of him over things.But here's what happened last night:The Giants punched the team that was supposed to be the Greatest Team Of All Time right in the mouth last night. And the Greatest Team Of All Time went to their knees.The defense rattled Brady into looking like a very mortal QB.The defense made Randy Moss look very human.The defense made Laurence Maroney turn back the clock 3 months and look totally inneffective.Eli Manning looked like he wanted the ball trailing 4 points with 2 minutes on the clock and delivered when it mattered with great poise and athleticism basically giving the finger to millions of naysayers. Ernie Accorsi could finally smile.Steve Smith and David Tyree emerged as viable weapons with Smith making very headsup plays and Tyree pulling down an impossible catch.Plaxico Burress caught the game winning TD on a fade route making it look like childs play.Giants fans and Patriot haters should revel in that. There is TONS to be joyful over.But the rabid piling on over Belichick leaving the field after shaking hands with Coughlin just seems goofy. Celebrate punching New England in the mouth. J
I think it's a good post but your last line was childish.
:D Get a grip Spike. Welcome to sports cliches 101.
 
is what Belichik did on that play (hobbs singled on Burress) ANY different than the stupidity of defending Moss 1-on-1 on 3rd and goal on the other end?

at least NE was blitzing

NYG thought it was a good idea to not bring the house AND guard Moss 1-on-1

funny how we forget coaching mistakes of the winner
has sence enough to punt on 4th&13, rather than passing on a 49 yd FG attempt by going for the 1stbeter yet, not call a play on the 3rd & 7 the play prior that would have yielded a 42 yd attempt had there been no gain

didn't Beliboob realize this was a slugfest where points were at a premium? that a 42 yd Fg attempt to go up 7 was huge in that spot?

:dumb-###:

 
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