Ben Tate will lead all rookie backs - ROY (1 Viewer)

[The Moz]

Slaton sorry is in the the dog house big time and fumbles sometimes out of fear the ball might get hit. No seriously Slaton is sloid but is best served at what he was drafted to be a 3rd down back / COP / special teamer. Tate has great speed , terriffic power and played wsell in the best conf in football for college. Houston has a great offense and a great coach for RB success - having AJ / O. Daniels , and Shaub opens up holes in itsself as well as scoring chances. I see Tate as day 1 starter barring injury with a 1050 - 35 rec 300 yd rec 10-12 total scores

Ryan Mathews everyone's consensus choice here as the best rookie RB - has Sproles to deal with and offense line that is deterteating more than stable. Sproles IMO gets alot more work then people are syaing and end up getting a 30-35% share rushing as well as all passing downs - Tate oTH excels in the passing game and is a great reciever - proilly better than Slaton in that regard. I like Mathews just Sproles scares me becasue he damn good a times and will get evry single passing down snap.

CJ Spiller - IMO the most talented back in the draft a poor mans CJIII -- but damn He won't even start - F. Jackson will and Lynch doesn't suck - he is mired in situation Felix was in years back.

J. Best - yes he was chosen in round 1 but its not like Smith sucks won't get his fair share. Cal backs are known too bust as well. WE are talking about DEtroit here guys afterall. The team truly resembles the city - trash.

Gerhart - Unless AD gets injured his value is noithing but a handcuff

Hardesty - Harrison seems like he has a strangle lock on that gig after exploding last year but Hardesty will be the power back role guy and has value.

McKnight - explosive back on a team withj 2 backs in which at least this he will never see the light of day

J. Dywer - his stock faded alot in the draft he was projwected higher -- he has nice talent -- I am not on one enamored with Mendy Dwyer is the clear cut #2 he is a nnice guy to loook at

 

[craxie]

offense line that is deterteating

sounds painful

 

[Balance]

a strangle lock on

say what now?

 

[Balance]

Sproles IMO gets alot more work then people are syaing and end up getting a 30-35% share rushing as well as all passing downs - Tate oTH excels in the passing game and is a great reciever - proilly better than Slaton in that regard. I like Mathews just Sproles scares me becasue he damn good a times and will get evry single passing down snap.

im sure whatever it is you are trying to say is very insightful.

 

[Invictus~Bronte]

 

[D'OHtis]

Try again tomorrow morning or something.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

DEtroit here guys afterall. The team truly resembles the city - trash.

But unlike the city, the Lions look to be improving.

 

[VA Sundevil]

J. Best - yes he was chosen in round 1 but its not like Smith sucks won't get his fair share.

The Moz theory on writing: when you can't decide which way to phrase a sentence...go with both!

 

[jsharlan]

More proof that the No Child Left Behind program is a glaring success.

 

[karmarooster]

i agree with some of this. the distance between Tate and Matthews isn't as great as some people think. While Matthews has more talent, Sproles is more talented than Slaton in that 3rd down/COP role. Furthermore, the Texans 1 cut Broncos-copy o-line scheme is better at run blocking than the Chargers.

Both teams are without a doubt passing team, but SD has more red-zone options via air than Houston. I would expect Matthews and Tate to be pretty close in year end fantasy points, making Tate the better buy.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Mongo like!

 

[jsharlan]

i agree with some of this. the distance between Tate and Matthews isn't as great as some people think. While Matthews has more talent, Sproles is more talented than Slaton in that 3rd down/COP role. Furthermore, the Texans 1 cut Broncos-copy o-line scheme is better at run blocking than the Chargers.Both teams are without a doubt passing team, but SD has more red-zone options via air than Houston. I would expect Matthews and Tate to be pretty close in year end fantasy points, making Tate the better buy.

I would argue that Houston's air options are superior to San Diego's. I also believe if Slaton is healthy, Tate will get alot less carries than Mathews.

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

More proof that the No Child Left Behind program is a glaring success.

 

[karmarooster]

i agree with some of this. the distance between Tate and Matthews isn't as great as some people think. While Matthews has more talent, Sproles is more talented than Slaton in that 3rd down/COP role. Furthermore, the Texans 1 cut Broncos-copy o-line scheme is better at run blocking than the Chargers.Both teams are without a doubt passing team, but SD has more red-zone options via air than Houston. I would expect Matthews and Tate to be pretty close in year end fantasy points, making Tate the better buy.

I would argue that Houston's air options are superior to San Diego's. I also believe if Slaton is healthy, Tate will get alot less carries than Mathews.

While their air options may be superior, they don't have the red zone threats SD does. As good as AJ is, he's not a redzone target for whatever reason... typically a 8 or 9 TD kind of guy. OTH, Gates, VJax, and possibly an emerging Floyd are all 6'5'' plus and great red-zone targets.

 

[efactor]

While Matthews has more talent, Sproles is more talented than Slaton in that 3rd down/COP role.

If Slaton is healthy, I don't think that's true. Sproles breaks a big play now and then, but I think Slaton is a more consistent, reliable player. Of course you have the fumbling issue, but that can be overcome. IMO, Slaton is much more likely to be a big part of the offense where Sproles is simply a COP back. Just a short year ago, Slaton was a fantasy darling. If his neck injury doesn't limit his play, he could make a nice comeback............

 

[jsharlan]

i agree with some of this. the distance between Tate and Matthews isn't as great as some people think. While Matthews has more talent, Sproles is more talented than Slaton in that 3rd down/COP role. Furthermore, the Texans 1 cut Broncos-copy o-line scheme is better at run blocking than the Chargers.Both teams are without a doubt passing team, but SD has more red-zone options via air than Houston. I would expect Matthews and Tate to be pretty close in year end fantasy points, making Tate the better buy.

I would argue that Houston's air options are superior to San Diego's. I also believe if Slaton is healthy, Tate will get alot less carries than Mathews.

While their air options may be superior, they don't have the red zone threats SD does. As good as AJ is, he's not a redzone target for whatever reason... typically a 8 or 9 TD kind of guy. OTH, Gates, VJax, and possibly an emerging Floyd are all 6'5'' plus and great red-zone targets.

the main reason AJ gets less redzone targets is because of the coverage the defenses give him near the goalline. They like to roll a safety over to help the corner protect the fade route which opens up the field alot for guys like Owen Daniels or Slaton coming out of the backfield. Walter has money hands, Jacoby is a mismatch for #2 and 3 corners, and Anderson is very Welker like in the slot. Thats not mentioning the potential of guys like Dresseen and Casey in double TE formations.

 

[karmarooster]

thats all fair and true, but the fact remains that in the red zone, SD has probably the best air options in the league. Now that one of the best redzone RBs of all time has moved on, they will probably use them even more.

 

[benbadman]

Draft Tate in the 2nd/3rd round of your every fantasy league and let us know how it works out buddy.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Man was that painful to read

 

[healthpellets]

More proof that the No Child Left Behind program is a glaring success.

 

[squistion]

Man was that painful to read

You were able to read it?

 

[lynx4ben]

Slaton sorry is in the the dog house big time and fumbles sometimes out of fear the ball might get hit. No seriously Slaton is sloid but is best served at what he was drafted to be a 3rd down back / COP / special teamer. Tate has great speed , terriffic power and played wsell in the best conf in football for college. Houston has a great offense and a great coach for RB success - having AJ / O. Daniels , and Shaub opens up holes in itsself as well as scoring chances. I see Tate as day 1 starter barring injury with a 1050 - 35 rec 300 yd rec 10-12 total scoresRyan Mathews everyone's consensus choice here as the best rookie RB - has Sproles to deal with and offense line that is deterteating more than stable. Sproles IMO gets alot more work then people are syaing and end up getting a 30-35% share rushing as well as all passing downs - Tate oTH excels in the passing game and is a great reciever - proilly better than Slaton in that regard. I like Mathews just Sproles scares me becasue he damn good a times and will get evry single passing down snap. CJ Spiller - IMO the most talented back in the draft a poor mans CJIII -- but damn He won't even start - F. Jackson will and Lynch doesn't suck - he is mired in situation Felix was in years back. J. Best - yes he was chosen in round 1 but its not like Smith sucks won't get his fair share. Cal backs are known too bust as well. WE are talking about DEtroit here guys afterall. The team truly resembles the city - trash. Gerhart - Unless AD gets injured his value is noithing but a handcuff Hardesty - Harrison seems like he has a strangle lock on that gig after exploding last year but Hardesty will be the power back role guy and has value.McKnight - explosive back on a team withj 2 backs in which at least this he will never see the light of dayJ. Dywer - his stock faded alot in the draft he was projwected higher -- he has nice talent -- I am not on one enamored with Mendy Dwyer is the clear cut #2 he is a nnice guy to loook at

qft and to preserve this gem of American literature.

 

[jsharlan]

thats all fair and true, but the fact remains that in the red zone, SD has probably the best air options in the league. Now that one of the best redzone RBs of all time has moved on, they will probably use them even more.

if air options just means "guys that are the tallest" then I agree with you, but Houston's targets are not far behind in height, Walter is 6'3'', Jones is 6'2'', Daniels is 6'3'', Dreessen is 6'4'', Casey is 6'4'', and of course AJ is 6'3''.Compare that to the Chargers who have Jackson 6'5'', Floyd 6'5'', Naanee 6'2'', Gates 6'4'', Davis 6'1''.I don't think an extra 1 or 2 inches of height is enough to make them superior red zone targets to the other group. I think Gates individually is the best option there, but group vs group I dont see the Chargers as superior.

 

[efactor]

qft and to preserve this gem of American literature.



Yeah, Moz is a real Ernest Hemmingway.............

Moz claims he has been in the hospital on a morphine drip. I can only hope that's the case. Only know the guy from an on-line league, but I pray for his sake that isn't the rambling of a coherent mind............

 

[ty247]

Slaton sorry is in the the dog house big time and fumbles sometimes out of fear the ball might get hit. No seriously Slaton is sloid but is best served at what he was drafted to be a 3rd down back / COP / special teamer. Tate has great speed , terriffic power and played wsell in the best conf in football for college. Houston has a great offense and a great coach for RB success - having AJ / O. Daniels , and Shaub opens up holes in itsself as well as scoring chances. I see Tate as day 1 starter barring injury with a 1050 - 35 rec 300 yd rec 10-12 total scoresRyan Mathews everyone's consensus choice here as the best rookie RB - has Sproles to deal with and offense line that is deterteating more than stable. Sproles IMO gets alot more work then people are syaing and end up getting a 30-35% share rushing as well as all passing downs - Tate oTH excels in the passing game and is a great reciever - proilly better than Slaton in that regard. I like Mathews just Sproles scares me becasue he damn good a times and will get evry single passing down snap. CJ Spiller - IMO the most talented back in the draft a poor mans CJIII -- but damn He won't even start - F. Jackson will and Lynch doesn't suck - he is mired in situation Felix was in years back. J. Best - yes he was chosen in round 1 but its not like Smith sucks won't get his fair share. Cal backs are known too bust as well. WE are talking about DEtroit here guys afterall. The team truly resembles the city - trash. Gerhart - Unless AD gets injured his value is noithing but a handcuff Hardesty - Harrison seems like he has a strangle lock on that gig after exploding last year but Hardesty will be the power back role guy and has value.McKnight - explosive back on a team withj 2 backs in which at least this he will never see the light of dayJ. Dywer - his stock faded alot in the draft he was projwected higher -- he has nice talent -- I am not on one enamored with Mendy Dwyer is the clear cut #2 he is a nnice guy to loook at

I don't know what it is you're selling stranger.. but IM BUYING IN

 

[az_prof]

I wouldn't at all be surprised. Tate has physical skills and was successful in college. He joins a team that has a running and blocking style that made Ron Dayne look like a Pro-Bowler. The team clearly is not happy with Slaton and even last year was looking for someone, anyone, to replace him.

 

[footballsavvy]

So, basiaclly, you started a thread to say that Tate will have better stats than Matthews in 2010 for the following reasons:

- SD offensive line is teh suck!

- Sproles is da bomb and will get a big load and all receiving duties (despite Norv stating that he is going to try to get Matthews 40 receptions)

- Slaton sux and Ben Tate rox!!!!1

Thanks for posting your evaluation of Tate and Matthews.

 

[dehaven123]

Slaton sorry is in the the dog house big time and fumbles sometimes out of fear the ball might get hit. No seriously Slaton is sloid but is best served at what he was drafted to be a 3rd down back / COP / special teamer. Tate has great speed , terriffic power and played wsell in the best conf in football for college. Houston has a great offense and a great coach for RB success - having AJ / O. Daniels , and Shaub opens up holes in itsself as well as scoring chances. I see Tate as day 1 starter barring injury with a 1050 - 35 rec 300 yd rec 10-12 total scoresRyan Mathews everyone's consensus choice here as the best rookie RB - has Sproles to deal with and offense line that is deterteating more than stable. Sproles IMO gets alot more work then people are syaing and end up getting a 30-35% share rushing as well as all passing downs - Tate oTH excels in the passing game and is a great reciever - proilly better than Slaton in that regard. I like Mathews just Sproles scares me becasue he damn good a times and will get evry single passing down snap. CJ Spiller - IMO the most talented back in the draft a poor mans CJIII -- but damn He won't even start - F. Jackson will and Lynch doesn't suck - he is mired in situation Felix was in years back. J. Best - yes he was chosen in round 1 but its not like Smith sucks won't get his fair share. Cal backs are known too bust as well. WE are talking about DEtroit here guys afterall. The team truly resembles the city - trash. Gerhart - Unless AD gets injured his value is noithing but a handcuff Hardesty - Harrison seems like he has a strangle lock on that gig after exploding last year but Hardesty will be the power back role guy and has value.McKnight - explosive back on a team withj 2 backs in which at least this he will never see the light of dayJ. Dywer - his stock faded alot in the draft he was projwected higher -- he has nice talent -- I am not on one enamored with Mendy Dwyer is the clear cut #2 he is a nnice guy to loook at

 

[massraider]

I'm a little creeped out.

 

[The Moz]

I am in the hospital on a continual morphine drip ( pnemonia ) I know I poost here often and while dumbassed alot most comes off better than than this my appologigies

 

[Multiple Scores]

I had him with a 5th/6th round grade as did most people pre-draft. Maybe a good situation will do wonders for this kid, ROY though is doubtful and that's being generous.

 

[The Moz]

So, basiaclly, you started a thread to say that Tate will have better stats than Matthews in 2010 for the following reasons:- SD offensive line is teh suck!- Sproles is da bomb and will get a big load and all receiving duties (despite Norv stating that he is going to try to get Matthews 40 receptions)- Slaton sux and Ben Tate rox!!!!1Thanks for posting your evaluation of Tate and Matthews.

no your making my post seem intelligent by infferring this though -- thanks there.I said Mathews is damn good but Sproles is no roll over and with no LT will get a larger role and all passing downs which takes away alot PPR from Mazthews. SD O line isn't what it once was anyone with eys can tell this -- that was stating the obvious thereSlaton is average at best and is a fair receiver / blocker - huge fumbler with abvergae speed and limited power -- Tate has him on every level. as for talent Spiller IMO is the best of the backs just in maybe the worst situation unless they unload Lynchas for Best - I will wait for a Cali RB to be anything before I give him any benefit of any dount. Detroit has Calvin who will be 3 teamed and a line like swiss cheese. If Best is good at getting open for dump downs he might excell in PPR

 

[jsharlan]

Slaton is average at best and is a fair receiver / blocker - huge fumbler with abvergae speed and limited power -- Tate has him on every level.

I take it you havent watched Slaton much. He's an excellent receiver and explosive as hell in any kind of space. I'm not ready to call him a fumbler yet after just last year. He didnt have a fumbling problem in 08 and the nerve issue might have been aiding the problem in 09.

 

[jsharlan]

I am in the hospital on a continual morphine drip ( pnemonia ) I know I poost here often and while dumbassed alot most comes off better than than this my appologigies

appologiggles is the new coolest word.

 

[gianmarco]

I had him with a 5th/6th grade...

Tate or Moz?

 

[sholditch]

Wasn't sure if Moz dosed himself or if someone dosed me.

 

[metoo]

I'm enjoying getting Slaton for cheap in PPR leagues.

 

[LBH]

Im loving Tate this year.

 

[VA Sundevil]

I am in the hospital on a continual morphine drip ( pnemonia ) I know I poost here often and while dumbassed alot most comes off better than than this my appologigies

You get a morphine drip for pneumonia? Somebody is sleeping with the windows open and the AC blaring tonight.

 

[ratbast]

So would you draft Tate first?

I like him and Best behind Mathews and Spiller. Im not sure how I rank each pair but uYo nKow what I mean.

I have pick 6 and 7 in my 5 keeper and Tate represents who I will have in my sights at 6. Mathews, Spiller, Best, Jacobs, Tate and a few other no upside guys will be my options. (I know you dont care about my league)

RIOT of a thread. Keep my posted on Tate!

 

[Jewell]

So would you draft Tate first?

I like him and Best behind Mathews and Spiller. Im not sure how I rank each pair but uYo nKow what I mean.

I have pick 6 and 7 in my 5 keeper and Tate represents who I will have in my sights at 6. Mathews, Spiller, Best, Jacobs, Tate and a few other no upside guys will be my options. (I know you dont care about my league)

RIOT of a thread. Keep my posted on Tate!

Spiller is a talent, but the offense he plays in, the crowded backfield he is a part of, and the offensive line he will be running behind should all raise major red flags. What if Spiller being drafted as his replacement was what it took to finally motivate Marshawn Lynch? What if Fred Jackson doesn't want to relinquish his last good chance? What do you suppose the Buffalo O will do with Trent Edwards at the helm, one of the worst offensive lines in the league, and only Lee Evans to spread out the D?

 

[massraider]

I am in the hospital on a continual morphine drip ( pnemonia ) I know I poost here often and while dumbassed alot most comes off better than than this my appologigies

You get a morphine drip for pneumonia? Somebody is sleeping with the windows open and the AC blaring tonight.

 

[kremenull]

Slaton sorry is in the the dog house big time and fumbles sometimes out of fear the ball might get hit. No seriously Slaton is sloid but is best served at what he was drafted to be a 3rd down back / COP / special teamer. Tate has great speed , terriffic power and played wsell in the best conf in football for college. Houston has a great offense and a great coach for RB success - having AJ / O. Daniels , and Shaub opens up holes in itsself as well as scoring chances. I see Tate as day 1 starter barring injury with a 1050 - 35 rec 300 yd rec 10-12 total scoresRyan Mathews everyone's consensus choice here as the best rookie RB - has Sproles to deal with and offense line that is deterteating more than stable. Sproles IMO gets alot more work then people are syaing and end up getting a 30-35% share rushing as well as all passing downs - Tate oTH excels in the passing game and is a great reciever - proilly better than Slaton in that regard. I like Mathews just Sproles scares me becasue he damn good a times and will get evry single passing down snap. CJ Spiller - IMO the most talented back in the draft a poor mans CJIII -- but damn He won't even start - F. Jackson will and Lynch doesn't suck - he is mired in situation Felix was in years back. J. Best - yes he was chosen in round 1 but its not like Smith sucks won't get his fair share. Cal backs are known too bust as well. WE are talking about DEtroit here guys afterall. The team truly resembles the city - trash. Gerhart - Unless AD gets injured his value is noithing but a handcuff Hardesty - Harrison seems like he has a strangle lock on that gig after exploding last year but Hardesty will be the power back role guy and has value.McKnight - explosive back on a team withj 2 backs in which at least this he will never see the light of dayJ. Dywer - his stock faded alot in the draft he was projwected higher -- he has nice talent -- I am not on one enamored with Mendy Dwyer is the clear cut #2 he is a nnice guy to loook at

I'm all for guys pumping up their fav players and all, but your analysis of many of the other backs, esp their situation, infers a strong sense of bias.The Bills draft Spiller #9 overall, but u infer that he will not be a huge part of their offensive plans? It only seems logical that he is in line for the most touches on that team. And Jahvid Best and Mathews were clearly selected to be the feature backs on their respective teams. Each of them are better RBs than Tate, who is in an ideal situation but doesn't possess their running instincts. Here is a perfect case of how much emphasis do you place on situation vs. talent. Personally, I do not place much emphasis on situation when it comes to ELITE talent. And the only two elite RB talents in this draft are Spiller and Best. Tate may very well produce some nice numbers, but over the long haul I'm siding with the better talent(s). Tate is currently not even under consideration by me for Top 3 status in this class, although I would not be surprised if he does succeed given the situation. I guess he'll have to prove it to me before I'm truly sold.

 

[The Moz]

just think Tate is in th b est situation not the best back. If Lynch ois dealt or released and Spiller takes on a CJIII / Ledale role - obviously tis changes. Just tate does it all well.