Benjamin Watson (1 Viewer)

[nxmehta]

This guy was hyped till no tomorrow this season as the #1 passing option for the Patriots. I definitely drank that kool-aid deeply So far in three games he has 12/155/0. Is this the production we should expect for the rest of the year? What's the reason for his low scoring? Is it:

1) He's not the #1 passing option

2) He is, but being the #1 passing option for the Pats is not worth much

3) He's playing poorly (not getting open, dropped passes)

4) Brady is playing poorly (off target)

5) Other receivers (Gabriel? Jackson?) are stepping up

Etc etc. Help me justify picking this guy up before Kellen Winslow! It's hurts twice as bad since I'm a Browns homer...

 

[PatsWillWin]

Passing game has been ####. Brady still looks to Watson more than anyone else. I think he was getting drafted way too high in some leagues, but I'd be patient with him.

 

[jurb26]

Classic overhype player here. Not sure how he ended up on so many top 5 TE boards. Somehow, I drafted him in round 14 of one league though (guess this group wasn't buying the FBG hype). So I hope he can get things going. As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

 

[Bristol]

I don't worry about the production, I worry about the targets.

Right now, he is tied for #2 overall on TE targets with 24. Only Heap (28 targets) is above him. Note: he is tied with Winslow.

As long as he is getting the targets, the production will come. It's all about opportunity and it appears that he is getting it.

Stay tuned.

 

[intrinsic]

This guy was hyped till no tomorrow this season as the #1 passing option for the Patriots. I definitely drank that kool-aid deeply So far in three games he has 12/155/0. Is this the production we should expect for the rest of the year? What's the reason for his low scoring? Is it:1) He's not the #1 passing option2) He is, but being the #1 passing option for the Pats is not worth much3) He's playing poorly (not getting open, dropped passes)4) Brady is playing poorly (off target)5) Other receivers (Gabriel? Jackson?) are stepping upEtc etc. Help me justify picking this guy up before Kellen Winslow! It's hurts twice as bad since I'm a Browns homer...

You forgot option #66) He is the #1 passing option, and the opponents know the rest of his receivers are bunk and so they are doubling him all the time.And if B Watson is availabe in your league still... *edited for typo, i know the ffg typo nazis aren't far behind!

 

[tommyGunZ]

Classic overhype player here. Not sure how he ended up on so many top 5 TE boards. Somehow, I drafted him in round 14 of one league though (guess this group wasn't buying the FBG hype). So I hope he can get things going. As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

On pace for 64 catches and 800 yards. That's probably top 5 TE.

 

[jurb26]

Classic overhype player here. Not sure how he ended up on so many top 5 TE boards. Somehow, I drafted him in round 14 of one league though (guess this group wasn't buying the FBG hype). So I hope he can get things going. As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

On pace for 64 catches and 800 yards. That's probably top 5 TE.

With all of his ZERO TDs, no it's not. Not to mention that currently, those numbers have him no where near the top 5 of TEs. If you want to play the pro-rate game it still does not look good.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

Classic overhype player here. Not sure how he ended up on so many top 5 TE boards. Somehow, I drafted him in round 14 of one league though (guess this group wasn't buying the FBG hype). So I hope he can get things going. As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

On pace for 64 catches and 800 yards. That's probably top 5 TE.

With all of his ZERO TDs, no it's not.

How many TEs generate consistent TD production?If he keeps getting the targets he has seen, it would be somewhat surprising to me if he didn't end up with ~5 TDs.

 

[diesel7982]

Classic overhype player here. Not sure how he ended up on so many top 5 TE boards. Somehow, I drafted him in round 14 of one league though (guess this group wasn't buying the FBG hype). So I hope he can get things going. As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

On pace for 64 catches and 800 yards. That's probably top 5 TE.

With all of his ZERO TDs, no it's not. Not to mention that currently, those numbers have him no where near the top 5 of TEs. If you want to play the pro-rate game it still does not look good.

So if Watson had scored just one TD so far this year, and his projection would go out to 5 for the year, youd be ok with calling him a top 5 TE with 64/800/5?Thats just silly.Hes doing just fine this season.

 

[jurb26]

Classic overhype player here. Not sure how he ended up on so many top 5 TE boards. Somehow, I drafted him in round 14 of one league though (guess this group wasn't buying the FBG hype). So I hope he can get things going. As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

On pace for 64 catches and 800 yards. That's probably top 5 TE.

With all of his ZERO TDs, no it's not.

How many TEs generate consistent TD production?If he keeps getting the targets he has seen, it would be somewhat surprising to me if he didn't end up with ~5 TDs.

What would be surprising is to see Brady continue to throw 36 times per game. The targets will not hold up IMO.

 

[jurb26]

Classic overhype player here. Not sure how he ended up on so many top 5 TE boards. Somehow, I drafted him in round 14 of one league though (guess this group wasn't buying the FBG hype). So I hope he can get things going. As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

On pace for 64 catches and 800 yards. That's probably top 5 TE.

With all of his ZERO TDs, no it's not. Not to mention that currently, those numbers have him no where near the top 5 of TEs. If you want to play the pro-rate game it still does not look good.

So if Watson had scored just one TD so far this year, and his projection would go out to 5 for the year, youd be ok with calling him a top 5 TE with 64/800/5?Thats just silly.Hes doing just fine this season.

No, I was mearly making the point that using the silly pro-rate it out game does not work in Watson's favor. If you pro-rate out his numbers in comparison to the other NFL TEs right now, he is nowhere near top 5. Unless of course you cherry pick your stats to pro-rate out.... yds and rec only.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Classic overhype player here. Not sure how he ended up on so many top 5 TE boards. Somehow, I drafted him in round 14 of one league though (guess this group wasn't buying the FBG hype). So I hope he can get things going. As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

On pace for 64 catches and 800 yards. That's probably top 5 TE.

With all of his ZERO TDs, no it's not. Not to mention that currently, those numbers have him no where near the top 5 of TEs. If you want to play the pro-rate game it still does not look good.

Name 5 TE's you'd rather have than Ben Watson right now. I can think of 4: Gates, Winslow, Heap, and Shockey. After those 4, it's Ben Watson, Jason Whitten, LJ Smith, and Tony Gonzalez fighting for that last spot.

 

[jurb26]

Classic overhype player here. Not sure how he ended up on so many top 5 TE boards. Somehow, I drafted him in round 14 of one league though (guess this group wasn't buying the FBG hype). So I hope he can get things going. As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

On pace for 64 catches and 800 yards. That's probably top 5 TE.

With all of his ZERO TDs, no it's not. Not to mention that currently, those numbers have him no where near the top 5 of TEs. If you want to play the pro-rate game it still does not look good.

Name 5 TE's you'd rather have than Ben Watson right now. I can think of 4: Gates, Winslow, Heap, and Shockey. After those 4, it's Ben Watson, Jason Whitten, LJ Smith, and Tony Gonzalez fighting for that last spot.

Gates, Heap, Shockey, Winslow, Witten, Smith, Gonzo, Johnson, Crumpler and Clark are all guys I would take over him with little thought. Miller and Cooley are guys that enter the debate as well.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Classic overhype player here. Not sure how he ended up on so many top 5 TE boards. Somehow, I drafted him in round 14 of one league though (guess this group wasn't buying the FBG hype). So I hope he can get things going. As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

On pace for 64 catches and 800 yards. That's probably top 5 TE.

With all of his ZERO TDs, no it's not. Not to mention that currently, those numbers have him no where near the top 5 of TEs. If you want to play the pro-rate game it still does not look good.

Name 5 TE's you'd rather have than Ben Watson right now. I can think of 4: Gates, Winslow, Heap, and Shockey. After those 4, it's Ben Watson, Jason Whitten, LJ Smith, and Tony Gonzalez fighting for that last spot.

Gates, Heap, Shockey, Witten, Smith, Gonzo, Johnson, Crumpler and Clark are all guys I would take over him with little thought. Miller and Cooley are guys that enter the debate as well.

Fair enough. Obviously you're down on Watson if you're complaining about his production while he's outproducing Witten, Crumpler, Cooley, and Miller.

 

[Pimpin Ain't Easy]

Classic overhype player here. Not sure how he ended up on so many top 5 TE boards. Somehow, I drafted him in round 14 of one league though (guess this group wasn't buying the FBG hype). So I hope he can get things going. As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

On pace for 64 catches and 800 yards. That's probably top 5 TE.

With all of his ZERO TDs, no it's not. Not to mention that currently, those numbers have him no where near the top 5 of TEs. If you want to play the pro-rate game it still does not look good.

Name 5 TE's you'd rather have than Ben Watson right now. I can think of 4: Gates, Winslow, Heap, and Shockey. After those 4, it's Ben Watson, Jason Whitten, LJ Smith, and Tony Gonzalez fighting for that last spot.

Gates, Heap, Shockey, Winslow, Witten, Smith, Gonzo, Johnson, Crumpler and Clark are all guys I would take over him with little thought. Miller and Cooley are guys that enter the debate as well.

Throwing Clark into that mix is pretty lame IMO.

 

[jurb26]

Classic overhype player here. Not sure how he ended up on so many top 5 TE boards. Somehow, I drafted him in round 14 of one league though (guess this group wasn't buying the FBG hype). So I hope he can get things going. As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

On pace for 64 catches and 800 yards. That's probably top 5 TE.

With all of his ZERO TDs, no it's not. Not to mention that currently, those numbers have him no where near the top 5 of TEs. If you want to play the pro-rate game it still does not look good.

Name 5 TE's you'd rather have than Ben Watson right now. I can think of 4: Gates, Winslow, Heap, and Shockey. After those 4, it's Ben Watson, Jason Whitten, LJ Smith, and Tony Gonzalez fighting for that last spot.

Gates, Heap, Shockey, Witten, Smith, Gonzo, Johnson, Crumpler and Clark are all guys I would take over him with little thought. Miller and Cooley are guys that enter the debate as well.

Fair enough. Obviously you're down on Watson if you're complaining about his production while he's outproducing Witten, Crumpler, Cooley, and Miller.

Obvioulsy, you are way too high on Watson or you would see I'm not complaining about his production in the least. I mearly saying that he should not be in the top 5 TEs. He isn't currently and I don't see him finishing there. BTW, no Watson is NOT outperfroming Miller or Crumpler in FANTASY football. Which is what we are playing. More evidence IMO that you are wearing Watson glasses. As I said, I drafted Watson in round 14 in a league. I'm very happy for the production I have been getting. He'll be a nice filler to a TE stud... Heap.

 

[jurb26]

Classic overhype player here. Not sure how he ended up on so many top 5 TE boards. Somehow, I drafted him in round 14 of one league though (guess this group wasn't buying the FBG hype). So I hope he can get things going. As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

On pace for 64 catches and 800 yards. That's probably top 5 TE.

With all of his ZERO TDs, no it's not. Not to mention that currently, those numbers have him no where near the top 5 of TEs. If you want to play the pro-rate game it still does not look good.

Name 5 TE's you'd rather have than Ben Watson right now. I can think of 4: Gates, Winslow, Heap, and Shockey. After those 4, it's Ben Watson, Jason Whitten, LJ Smith, and Tony Gonzalez fighting for that last spot.

Gates, Heap, Shockey, Winslow, Witten, Smith, Gonzo, Johnson, Crumpler and Clark are all guys I would take over him with little thought. Miller and Cooley are guys that enter the debate as well.

Throwing Clark into that mix is pretty lame IMO.

You mean the Dallas Clark who is on a better offence with a better Fantasy QB, better matchups and is currently outscoring Watson.

 

[BoulderBob]

He's probably talking about Dez Clark, and I'm finding it hard to disagree with him, as Grossman has really been targetting his TE's quite a bit.

 

[jurb26]

He's probably talking about Dez Clark, and I'm finding it hard to disagree with him, as Grossman has really been targetting his TE's quite a bit.

Nope Dallas Clark, but I would put Dez in that Miller/Cooley catagory as well.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Classic overhype player here. Not sure how he ended up on so many top 5 TE boards. Somehow, I drafted him in round 14 of one league though (guess this group wasn't buying the FBG hype). So I hope he can get things going. As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

On pace for 64 catches and 800 yards. That's probably top 5 TE.

With all of his ZERO TDs, no it's not. Not to mention that currently, those numbers have him no where near the top 5 of TEs. If you want to play the pro-rate game it still does not look good.

Name 5 TE's you'd rather have than Ben Watson right now. I can think of 4: Gates, Winslow, Heap, and Shockey. After those 4, it's Ben Watson, Jason Whitten, LJ Smith, and Tony Gonzalez fighting for that last spot.

Gates, Heap, Shockey, Witten, Smith, Gonzo, Johnson, Crumpler and Clark are all guys I would take over him with little thought. Miller and Cooley are guys that enter the debate as well.

Fair enough. Obviously you're down on Watson if you're complaining about his production while he's outproducing Witten, Crumpler, Cooley, and Miller.

Obvioulsy, you are way too high on Watson or you would see I'm not complaining about his production in the least. I meanly saying that he should not be in the top 5 TEs. He isn't currently and I don't see him finishing there. BTW, no Watson is NOT outperfroming Miller or Crumpler in FANTASY football. Which is what we are playing. More evidence IMO that you are wearing Watson glasses. As I said, I drafted Watson in round 14 in a league. I'm very happy for the production I have been getting. He'll be a nice filler to a TE stud... Heap.

I'm not one to take a play away from someone's stats, but IMO Watson's 12/155/0 in 3 games is far more impressive that Miller's 4/111/1 considering Miller's stats include that fluke 83 yard TD.IMO, top 10 TE value going forward looks like:1. Gates2. Winslow3. Heap4. Shockey5. Watson6. LJ Smith7. Gonzo8. Witten9. Crumpler10. Clark

 

[pats3in4]

You forgot option #66) He is the #1 passing option, and the opponents know the rest of his receivers are bunk and so they are doubling him all the time.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.I have to say that things should be looking up from here, though. Reche Caldwell and Troy Brown as the #1 and #2 won't free up Watson, but Chad Jackson and Doug Gabriel as #1 and #2 with Brown the #3 slot and Caldwell the #4 should give Watson some space.

 

[simey]

As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

Daniel Graham had one catch for 7 yards last night. Watson had 6 catches for 66 yards, and he dropped a couple passes.

 

[jurb26]

As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

Daniel Graham had one catch for 7 yards last night. Watson had 6 catches for 66 yards, and he dropped a couple passes.

Graham had about 4 other targets and in the game thread we sure heard about it form all the digruntaled Watson owners.

 

[Boston]

Watson has been playing pretty well but it just doesn't seem like the production is matching the talent right now. Obviously the WR situation (and Brady's average play so far) isn't helping matters but he's dropped a few easy ones and the runs after the catch aren't as solid as Patriot fans (such as myself) were hoping for. There's still a lot of untapped upside here and hopefully his unlimited potential will be realized. The kid was pretty raw coming out of college and missed pretty much his whole rookie year so he's probably still a work in progress (i.e. maybe expectations were a little too high this year...although it's still very early and he is productive).

 

[corpcow]

As I've said before however, I think there are too many other good TEs on the team for him to ever become a great fantasy player. Insert Graham from last night.....

Daniel Graham had one catch for 7 yards 2 catches for 19 yards last night. Watson had 6 catches for 66 yards 5 catches for 54 yards, and he dropped a couple passes.

Fixed. One of those was a screen pass to Graham incorrectly credited to Watson.... it will be corrected later in the week, and I'm going to lose because of it.

 

[corpcow]

If you've seen any of the games, you've seen them throw a ton of coverage at Watson. As another guy said, with Gabriel playing well (looked really good yesterday) and Jackson learning, things should eventually open up. They won't be able to jam him at the line and roll a safety over as well.In fact, see this article on the news blogger right now:

Extra Coverage Limiting TE WatsonJohn Tomase, Boston Herald, Sporting News - [Full Article]The Patriots don't have a wideout who commands double coverage, so opponents have been able to jam TE Ben Watson at the line and assign multiple defenders on him. Watson hasn't had a breakthrough game to this point in the young season.

He would have had a TD against my Jets if it was not for an AMAZING play by Kerry Rhodes to knock it down - he beat the coverage and Rhodes just came out of nowhere at the last second to bat it down.He's been heavily targeted, and I do think he'll come around. Then again, I got him pretty cheap in most leagues so I'm still happy with the production compared to guys like Cooley and Witten. He's been very consistent, even if he hasn't had a huge game yet.My only regret is dropping Colston for him when I saw him hit the wire in one league - not because I prefer Colston at TE, but because I could at least play him at WR, where now I have a wasted spot after Gates' bye.Actually, I was really hoping Watson went off THIS game so I could trade him for something good afterwards.