Bernie Sanders HQ! *A decent human being. (5 Viewers)

[BassNBrew]

For Mr. Fallon.

For Madam Secretary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6d8eKvegLI&nohtml5=False

 

[BigSteelThrill]

It isn't about simple negligence...suing someone for negligence with an auto, or for unpaid medical bills, is useless if the person being sued has no money to pay. It makes far more sense to require some sort of insurance as a condition for driving at all. Finding some way to cover every citizen (medically) makes more sense than passing his costs of treatment along to others (via higher premiums...which we do now!) and then placing a collection on him that destroys his credit when the treatment isn't always even optional! 

I agree it makes more sense. 

But now look at who had the issue... arggh buttpirate!

 

[skol asylum]

From her donors to her Royal Highness...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYYTLJ8YHi4&nohtml5=False

 

[squistion]

Her campaign said specifically they were going to disqualify him. That means they are saying he is not qualified. Pretty straight forward.

No, that doesn't mean that. Disqualify in the eyes of voters as being an electable candidate, not exactly the same thing as saying he is not qualified to be president as you imply:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democrats-unity/index.html

New York (CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is taking new steps to try and disqualify Bernie Sanders in the eyes of Democratic voters, hoping to extinguish the argument that he is an electable alternative for the party's presidential nomination.

 

[skol asylum]

No, that doesn't mean that. Disqualify in the eyes of voters as being an electable candidate, not exactly the same thing as saying he is not qualified to be president as you imply:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democrats-unity/index.html

New York (CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is taking new steps to try and disqualify Bernie Sanders in the eyes of Democratic voters, hoping to extinguish the argument that he is an electable alternative for the party's presidential nomination.

It's exactly the same thing.

 

[squistion]

It's exactly the same thing.

Nope. Sorry you are wrong. Not exactly the same thing. You can be qualified to be president, but not electable.

 

[AAABatteries]

I have no interest in a semantics argument - both of them are trying to claim that the other shouldn't be the nominee.  No clue who this helps or hurts.

 

[skol asylum]

I have no interest in a semantics argument - both of them are trying to claim that the other shouldn't be the nominee.  No clue who this helps or hurts.

I think it helps Bernie. He's got little to lose at this point and she has thin skin and getting a little tougher with her could force her into saying something stupid.

 

[Gr00vus]

No, that doesn't mean that. Disqualify in the eyes of voters as being an electable candidate, not exactly the same thing as saying he is not qualified to be president as you imply:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democrats-unity/index.html

New York (CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is taking new steps to try and disqualify Bernie Sanders in the eyes of Democratic voters, hoping to extinguish the argument that he is an electable alternative for the party's presidential nomination.

Come on man.

 

[Zegras11]

Hillary, "He started it!!"

 

[timschochet]

It's really sad. I didn't want it to come to this. 

Despite the haters in here (mostly from the Bernie side, though not all) Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton agree on about 9 out of every 10 issues. They are both good people. They would both make far preferable Presidents than Trump or Cruz (though that's not s high standard.) Hopefully they can stop this and get back to the civility that's been the hallmark of this race, as opposed to the other side, thus far. 

 

[AnonymousBob]

I'm good with this. I daresay this might even be overdue from Sanders. Good on him. I don't want him to make this his new shtick at the expense of talking about the issues, but a bit of fire in his belly when faced with her aggression is nice to see, imo.

This debate is going to be must watch television.

 

[BassNBrew]

It's really sad. I didn't want it to come to this. 

Despite the haters in here (mostly from the Bernie side, though not all) Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton agree on about 9 out of every 10 issues. They are both good people. They would both make far preferable Presidents than Trump or Cruz (though that's not s high standard.) Hopefully they can stop this and get back to the civility that's been the hallmark of this race, as opposed to the other side, thus far. 

They don't agree on trade, foreign policy, Wall Street, political corruption/donations, health care, fossil fuels, college costs, suing gun mfg, banking/finance, and marijuana.  Other than lgbt issues and illegals (which Hillary was late to the Bernie game), abortion (which isn't going anywhere), Hamas whacking Israelis (except when it's Israel conference day) and maybe baseball/apple pie/Chevrolet they don't agree on jack.  Bernie and Hillary are further apart from each other than they are form Trump.

 

[timschochet]

They don't agree on trade, foreign policy, Wall Street, political corruption/donations, health care, fossil fuels, college costs, suing gun mfg, banking/finance, and marijuana.  Other than lgbt issues and illegals (which Hillary was late to the Bernie game), abortion (which isn't going anywhere), Hamas whacking Israelis (except when it's Israel conference day) and maybe baseball/apple pie/Chevrolet they don't agree on jack.  Bernie and Hillary are further apart from each other than they are form Trump.

This is so wrong I wouldn't even know where to begin. So I won't. Going to bed.

 

[Zegras11]

They don't agree on trade, foreign policy, Wall Street, political corruption/donations, health care, fossil fuels, college costs, suing gun mfg, banking/finance, and marijuana.  Other than lgbt issues and illegals (which Hillary was late to the Bernie game), abortion (which isn't going anywhere), Hamas whacking Israelis (except when it's Israel conference day) and maybe baseball/apple pie/Chevrolet they don't agree on jack.  Bernie and Hillary are further apart from each other than they are form Trump.

That's 12 issues.  Tim, please list the 120 issues they agree on. TIA

 

[Clayton Gray]

This is so wrong I wouldn't even know where to begin. So I won't. Going to bed.

It's really not wrong.

 

[AnonymousBob]

It's really not wrong.

Forget it, he's rolling.

 

[BassNBrew]

This is so wrong I wouldn't even know where to begin. So I won't. Going to bed.

The record around here shows that you're the one who is wrong 90% of the time.  You probably should go to bed so that you aren't wrong again tonight.

I've noticed that you've taken the approach of attacking you critics rather than debating them.  That speaks for itself.  I hope you get a restful slept and have sweet dreams of Hillary if that's your thing.

 

[BassNBrew]

It's really not wrong.

I so wish we could agree as a country to vote solely on economic/trade issues for the next 8 years, lgbt and race issues for the next 4, campaign finance reform for the next 4, foreign policy for the next 4, weed and dfs for the next 4, and then global warming for the following 4.  Let the chips fall where they may, but break this crap down to little chunks so we get the best candidate on each issue and actual get some stuff fixed.  Would love to see Bernie on economics, Hillary on lgbt/race, Trump on finance reform, whoever on foreign policy, Gary Johnson on weed/dfs, Bernie's appointee on global warming.  Flip the names as you see fit, we'll knock it out one by one.

 

[Gr00vus]

Quoting Mohandas G.:

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

I think we're entering stage 3 now. Here's hoping for stage 4.

 

[SameSongNDance]

It's really sad. I didn't want it to come to this.

Despite the haters in here (mostly from the Bernie side, though not all) Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton agree on about 9 out of every 10 issues. They are both good people. They would both make far preferable Presidents than Trump or Cruz (though that's not s high standard.) Hopefully they can stop this and get back to the civility that's been the hallmark of this race, as opposed to the other side, thus far.

A large percentage of the issues you believe they converge on is likely just Hillary uttering empty platitudes in an attempt to emulate Bernie. I honestly wouldn't expect them to agree on 90% of the issues anyway since she's center-right and he's left of center. 

 

[Henry Ford]

If two people get into the Thunderdome together, and one is a 70-something Jewish guy from Brooklyn who was arrested chained to a black woman on the streets of Chicago in the 60s for civil disobedience, I ain't betting against him.

"Let's get tough with him" is not a genius campaign strategy against Sanders in my opinion.  Clinton brought a knife to a drone strike on this one.

 

[Short Corner]

El Quemazon

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

No reason not to hit her on the emails now 

 

[Homer J Simpson]

:boing:

:bernieboner:

 

[Rubiobot]

I think you fail to appreciate the seismic-like shift toward socialism the ACA has created.  

 

Love seeing the alias of a Trump supporter trying to troll in a thread that actually has facts and issues in it. Well played. 

 

[Rubiobot]

But an even more obvious support for my position is this very thread.  You guys are perfectly fine supporting a self-described socialist for POTUS!  You still believe a little socialism sprinkled in with capitalism remains little?  

Bernie is a self-described DEMOCRATIC socialist, NOT a self described socialist. I'm not sure you know the definition of either of the two let alone the difference between them. 

 

[Rubiobot]

the Great Depression? Smoot-Hawley, i.e. government policy did that.  The FDA, snake-oil salesman and mining?  Specialized policing of various sectors of our society and/or markets is a far different thing than the behemoth, inefficient bureaucracies we have today and would be consistent with a free market economy and a constitutional republic based on freedom and individual rights.

 

 

[Rubiobot]

car insurance is aligned with the principle that if you damage someones property thru your negligence then you should pay for it.  Nothing like the requirement of health insurance at all, actually.

So its ok to force me to buy car insurance and thats not socialism but forcing me to buy health insurance is socialism. 

Got it. 

 

[Rubiobot]

You don't see a problem in Wall Street being allowed to buy up real estate while the banks force the average American to the sideline?  You don't see a problem with declining home ownership?  You don't see a problem with a lack of new housing for all the illegals you want to let in?  You don't see a problem with a decline in the percentage of purchases being made by first time homebuyers?  You don't see a problem with rents increasing in multiples great than income increases because the big banks and Wall Street have a stranglehold on the the money supply?  You don't see a problem with foreign countries/investors buying up real estate with profits made off the backs of indentured servants at the expense of the American worker?

Damn good post. 

 

[Rubiobot]

Bernie: Hillary's not qualified to be president.

https://mobile.twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/717884546902007810

 

[tommyGunZ]

Tim's not going to like this at all - this is what he's saying Bernie shouldn't do because it will help the Republicans.  May help her - let her figure out how to spin her answers now while some people aren't paying attention.

It's a mistake because it hurts them both. Hillary in the general when it's brought up by opponents (though I'm guessing Bernie will walk this back shortly when he sobers up), and it hurts Bernie in that he is supposedly above this kind of stuff. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

CNN goes on the attack for Clinton...gets owned by young female Bernie supporter. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l3AdBnDZjO4&feature=youtu.be

 

[tommyGunZ]

They don't agree on trade, foreign policy, Wall Street, political corruption/donations, health care, fossil fuels, college costs, suing gun mfg, banking/finance, and marijuana.  Other than lgbt issues and illegals (which Hillary was late to the Bernie game), abortion (which isn't going anywhere), Hamas whacking Israelis (except when it's Israel conference day) and maybe baseball/apple pie/Chevrolet they don't agree on jack.  Bernie and Hillary are further apart from each other than they are form Trump.

Oops facts. According to the data, Bernie and HIllary voted the same way 93% of the time when they were together in the Senate. 

Feel free to apologize to tim via PM; you're obviously too vested in your anti-Hillary narrative to admit you've devolved into a MaxThreshold clone.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Oops facts. According to the data, Bernie and HIllary voted the same way 93% of the time when they were together in the Senate. 

Feel free to apologize to tim via PM; you're obviously too vested in your anti-Hillary narrative to admit you've devolved into a MaxThreshold clone.

but, she says he is not a democrat...if they agree 93% of the time, what does that make her?

 

[tommyGunZ]

but, she says he is not a democrat...if they agree 93% of the time, what does that make her?

He says he's not a democrat, right?

 

[Sinn Fein]

He says he's not a democrat, right?

He is running as a democrat, right?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Oops facts. According to the data, Bernie and HIllary voted the same way 93% of the time when they were together in the Senate. 

Feel free to apologize to tim via PM; you're obviously too vested in your anti-Hillary narrative to admit you've devolved into a MaxThreshold clone.

Did you actually read the article you cited?

In many of the cases in which she differed with Mr. Sanders, who represents Vermont and is also running for the Democratic presidential nomination, Mrs. Clinton went with the crowd. She voted with an overwhelming majority of her colleagues, including Republicans. Her positions on the votes that differed from Mr. Sanders represented policy differences, but they may have also reflected political calculations by Mrs. Clinton, who was preparing for a presidential run in 2008.

The 31 times that Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders disagreed happened to be on some the biggest issues of the day, including measures on continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, an immigration reform bill and bank bailouts during the depths of the Great Recession. Mr. Sanders, who formally kicked off his campaign Tuesday evening in Burlington, Vt., was opposed to all these actions.

 

[Statorama]

No reason not to hit her on the emails now 

Bernie needs to decide if he'd rather "lose with honor" or win this thing.

if he plays this straight, she's going to crush him with "super delegates".  

If he's waiting for a Democrat AG to indict her, good luck with all that.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

CNN goes on the attack for Clinton...gets owned by young female Bernie supporter. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l3AdBnDZjO4&feature=youtu.be

She can own me anytime 

 

[tommyGunZ]

Did you actually read the article you cited?

In many of the cases in which she differed with Mr. Sanders, who represents Vermont and is also running for the Democratic presidential nomination, Mrs. Clinton went with the crowd. She voted with an overwhelming majority of her colleagues, including Republicans. Her positions on the votes that differed from Mr. Sanders represented policy differences, but they may have also reflected political calculations by Mrs. Clinton, who was preparing for a presidential run in 2008.

The 31 times that Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders disagreed happened to be on some the biggest issues of the day, including measures on continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, an immigration reform bill and bank bailouts during the depths of the Great Recession. Mr. Sanders, who formally kicked off his campaign Tuesday evening in Burlington, Vt., was opposed to all these actions.

Of course I did.  The fact that some of the issues Hillary and Bernie disagree on were important doesn't obscure the fact that they "agree on the issues 9 out of 10 times", exactly as tim stated, before belligerent BnB attacked him. 

Interesting to look at the 7% of votes where they diverged.  In retrospect Bernie was right on some of those votes and Hillary was wrong. And vice versa.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Chimps and Bonobos share 99% of the DNA sequence with humans - do you think they are the same as humans?

Or, do the important differences in that 1% make a difference?

Hillary and Bernie agree on a lot of non-important issues - but differ greatly on the important issues.

 

[The_Man]

As an unabashed Bernie Backer, I think his move yesterday was a big mistake. And since he's at a place where he can't afford a mistake, it might be fatal.

He should have waited for Hillary to actually begin her campaign to "disqualify" him. Instead, he responded to the media reports that she was about to get negative and hit first. Which then allows Hillary to decry his attack and hold the high ground - all the while having her minions smear him up and down through surrogate attacks. Everyone knows that NY Daily News owner Mort Zuckerman is an enormous Hillary supporter, right? You can expect the Daily News to do nothing but savagely attack Bernie for the next 2 weeks, just as they have been for the last few days.

I really fear that Bernie will now be perceived as the negative campaigner, while the actual practitioner of bare-knuckled campaign filth will be portrayed as the victim.

Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Henry Ford]

Did you actually read the article you cited?

In many of the cases in which she differed with Mr. Sanders, who represents Vermont and is also running for the Democratic presidential nomination, Mrs. Clinton went with the crowd. She voted with an overwhelming majority of her colleagues, including Republicans. Her positions on the votes that differed from Mr. Sanders represented policy differences, but they may have also reflected political calculations by Mrs. Clinton, who was preparing for a presidential run in 2008.

The 31 times that Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders disagreed happened to be on some the biggest issues of the day, including measures on continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, an immigration reform bill and bank bailouts during the depths of the Great Recession. Mr. Sanders, who formally kicked off his campaign Tuesday evening in Burlington, Vt., was opposed to all these actions.

Yeah, but on post office names they're in lock step 

 

[tommyGunZ]

Chimps and Bonobos share 99% of the DNA sequence with humans - do you think they are the same as humans?

Or, do the important differences in that 1% make a difference?

Hillary and Bernie agree on a lot of non-important issues - but differ greatly on the important issues.

Who said they were the same?  tim said they agreed on the issues 90% of the issues, and Bass attacked tim with a ridiculously silly post and suggested that Hillary and Trump are closer on the issues than HIllary and Bernie are.  And you and several others agreed with that silliness.

I realize that making distinctions is what primaries are all about, but some of you Bernie guys are getting way out over your skis.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

CNN goes on the attack for Clinton...gets owned by young female Bernie supporter. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l3AdBnDZjO4&feature=youtu.be

That looks just like a Bernie supporter discussing topics with those from the Hillary/Trump crowd in other places.

 

[jon_mx]

As an unabashed Bernie Backer, I think his move yesterday was a big mistake. And since he's at a place where he can't afford a mistake, it might be fatal.

He should have waited for Hillary to actually begin her campaign to "disqualify" him. Instead, he responded to the media reports that she was about to get negative and hit first. Which then allows Hillary to decry his attack and hold the high ground - all the while having her minions smear him up and down through surrogate attacks. Everyone knows that NY Daily News owner Mort Zuckerman is an enormous Hillary supporter, right? You can expect the Daily News to do nothing but savagely attack Bernie for the next 2 weeks, just as they have been for the last few days.

I really fear that Bernie will now be perceived as the negative campaigner, while the actual practitioner of bare-knuckled campaign filth will be portrayed as the victim.

Hope I'm wrong.

Hillary has already been all over Bernie for going negative.  Not sure this makes a difference.  Hillary is gonna play the victim card no matter what. 

 

[Henry Ford]

As an unabashed Bernie Backer, I think his move yesterday was a big mistake. And since he's at a place where he can't afford a mistake, it might be fatal.

He should have waited for Hillary to actually begin her campaign to "disqualify" him. Instead, he responded to the media reports that she was about to get negative and hit first. Which then allows Hillary to decry his attack and hold the high ground - all the while having her minions smear him up and down through surrogate attacks. Everyone knows that NY Daily News owner Mort Zuckerman is an enormous Hillary supporter, right? You can expect the Daily News to do nothing but savagely attack Bernie for the next 2 weeks, just as they have been for the last few days.

I really fear that Bernie will now be perceived as the negative campaigner, while the actual practitioner of bare-knuckled campaign filth will be portrayed as the victim.

Hope I'm wrong.

I don't think he could afford to wait.  As you point out, even as Clinton was only gearing up her machine/supporters were beginning the attacks.  The problem is, it plays into the narrative that he can't or won't stand up to people, including in a national security situation.  

In this cycle, in the current climate, I think he's making the right move.  Attack.  Once again, if Trump were out, he would obliterate her with independent voters in CA by doing this. I don't know if it will work as things stand, but I think it's his proper path forward.  He needs to move the needle quite a ways.  This is the most likely thing to move the needle quite a ways.  

But yes, it also may be the beginning of the end. We shall see.

 

[tommyGunZ]

The record around here shows that you're the one who is wrong 90% of the time.  You probably should go to bed so that you aren't wrong again tonight.

I've noticed that you've taken the approach of attacking you critics rather than debating them.  That speaks for itself.  I hope you get a restful slept and have sweet dreams of Hillary if that's your thing.

I'm not sure what's more embarrassing, the fact that tim was right, or the fact that you typed sentence #2 almost immediately after typing sentence #1.

 

[tommyGunZ]

As an unabashed Bernie Backer, I think his move yesterday was a big mistake. And since he's at a place where he can't afford a mistake, it might be fatal.

He should have waited for Hillary to actually begin her campaign to "disqualify" him. Instead, he responded to the media reports that she was about to get negative and hit first. Which then allows Hillary to decry his attack and hold the high ground - all the while having her minions smear him up and down through surrogate attacks. Everyone knows that NY Daily News owner Mort Zuckerman is an enormous Hillary supporter, right? You can expect the Daily News to do nothing but savagely attack Bernie for the next 2 weeks, just as they have been for the last few days.

I really fear that Bernie will now be perceived as the negative campaigner, while the actual practitioner of bare-knuckled campaign filth will be portrayed as the victim.

Hope I'm wrong.

I think this is very reasoned analysis, though I also agree with Henry that Bernie's also at a "#### or get off the pot" point, so perhaps shaking up the outcomes is the rational game theory play.