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Best 1-2 punch, starting pitchers (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
No Wang/Mussina option?
RBM
Footballguy
Good one
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Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Webb/Haren......and it's not even close
MAC_32
Footballguy
As long as Pedro is healthy the Mets got it. Once King Felix proves he'll be better as a #2 than he was as the ace the M's will enter the conversation.
Chris Young needs to pitch more innings, if he can do that the SD combo can be considered with the top two.
Haren's good, but I don't think he's as good as the masses believe he is. I'll take his 06 season and the second half of 07 as what he really is, which is good but not great. I think they're on par with San Diego behind the top two.
If Carmona does it again this year I'll believe, Shields too.
Lince K/Cain? Maybe in a couple years, not now though.
I don't know why Hudson/Smoltz is even an option.
Chris Young needs to pitch more innings, if he can do that the SD combo can be considered with the top two.
Haren's good, but I don't think he's as good as the masses believe he is. I'll take his 06 season and the second half of 07 as what he really is, which is good but not great. I think they're on par with San Diego behind the top two.
If Carmona does it again this year I'll believe, Shields too.
Lince K/Cain? Maybe in a couple years, not now though.
I don't know why Hudson/Smoltz is even an option.
B Maverick
Footballguy
might not be on the list but watch out for Penny / Billingsly in LA. I know Billingsly is their #3 pitcher but he will end up the year better then Lowe.
And next year when its Penny/Billingsly/Kershaw.... WATCHOUT WORLD
And next year when its Penny/Billingsly/Kershaw.... WATCHOUT WORLD
Koya
Footballguy
As noted, if we are talking about when healthy, I don't think you can get much better than Johan Santana - considered by many/most to be the best in the game, and certainly top three with Beckett and Peavy - and Martinez who is as smart a pitcher as I have ever seen.
If somehow these two can be healthy for the playoff series, the Mets really have something big there.
That said, you have a BIG question as to how much Pedro can give over the course of a year. I may lean toward Peavy and Young because of Youngs upside and Peavy being SO dominant in front.
If somehow these two can be healthy for the playoff series, the Mets really have something big there.
That said, you have a BIG question as to how much Pedro can give over the course of a year. I may lean toward Peavy and Young because of Youngs upside and Peavy being SO dominant in front.
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awesomeness
Guest
Peavy/Young are getting too much love. Peavy is easily in the top 3 pitchers in the league, but Chris Young is not nearly as good as his numbers show. In any other ballpark besides PETCO, Young is a slightly above average pitcher. His ERA last year away from PETCO was 4.52.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Webb/Haren? Good. But lets see how a flyball pitchers does in ARI without the spacious foul ground of OAK. Don't get me wrong, I like Haren a lot but the jury is out on him.
I went with Peavy/Young. Followed by Webb/Haren. My next choice would be Bedard/Hernandez - but Bedard isn't as great as people think he is - while King felix hasn't scratched the surface of his talent.
I went with Peavy/Young. Followed by Webb/Haren. My next choice would be Bedard/Hernandez - but Bedard isn't as great as people think he is - while King felix hasn't scratched the surface of his talent.
Your Mother
Footballguy
If I'm starting a team, I'd take the Mariners duo in a heartbeat.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Nice jinx job here.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Not bad DC......not bad at all.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Beckett/Matusazka didn't make the list? Okay.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Webb/Haren
Bedard/Hernandez
Sleeper: Harang/Volquez (yes, I realize they're not actually 1-2)
Bedard/Hernandez
Sleeper: Harang/Volquez (yes, I realize they're not actually 1-2)
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
Those two get my vote.
wilked
Footballguy
Those two get my vote.
RBM
Footballguy
Not sure about that. That Arizona duo is pretty awesome
MAC_32
Footballguy
King Felix 6 GS, 44.2 IP (7.5/start), 41 K, 16 BB, 3 HR, 2.22 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, .238 BAABedard 3 GS, 17.2 IP (6/start), 14 K, 12 BB, 3 HR, 2.04 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, .159 BAASeattle combined 62.1 IP (just under 7 IP/start), 55 K, 8 K/9 IP, 2 K/BB, 28 BB, 4 BB/9 IP, 6 HR, 0.9 HR/9 IP, 2.16 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, .212 BAAWebb 6 GS, 41 IP (7/start), 34 K, 14 BB, 1 HR, 1.98 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, .192 BAAHaren 6 GS, 37.1 IP (6/start), 29 K, 7 BB, 3 HR, 3.13 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, .229 BAAArizona combined 78.1 IP (6.5 IP/start), 63 K, 7 K/9 IP, 3 K/BB, 21 BB, 2.4 BB/9 IP, 4 HR, 0.5 HR/9 IP, 2.54 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, .210 BAAI would say it's debatable, Bedard's pitched three less games so that has to be taken into account. The Seattle pitcher's go deeper in the game, strike more guys out, and yield less runs - the Arizona duo walk less batters and give up less HR's. Me? I take the duo that pitches deeper in the game and strikes more guys out.This all is given a rather small sample size, but I believe it's relevant because pre-season Bedard and Webb were looked at on the same level and same goes for Haren and King Felix.
Those two get my vote.
Regular Crust Pizza
Footballguy
Aren't 6.5 and "under 7" practically the same?
MAC_32
Footballguy
No, it's the difference between using another bullpen arm and not.
