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Capella, I've been to a Florida-FSU game. I'm not saying they aren't jacked up to watch a great game. Who ever loses usually go home with that "oh well it was a good game, wait til next year..." attitude which did surprise me. When OSU or Michigan lose there is no backing down. Sure Michigan won this year but OSU fans don't just shrug and say oh well. It's more like those bastards!! And even more hatred. It's a never ending cycle.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: Bull#### they do. You clearly don't know what you're talking about here. I know many, many Gator fans, and they are all still pissed about the game from November. I've heard nothing but whining about the refs for three months now. And they still get #### for not beating the Noles in Tally in over 30 years.You can't tell me that a Gator fan, or Nole fan, or a Cane fan is ever carefree after a loss. If you're making that claim, you know nothing about Florida football.
It probably depends on who you talk too. I know some Ohio State fans who say the same thing after a Michigan lose "oh well, there is always next year", but a lot of those people are 40+ military officers and such living in Washington DC. So it is hard to 'generalize' fan based on a few experiences with a few fans.I am sure I could find some Wake Forest-NC State fans who say, "If we don't win this football game, it will be the end of the world!" Obviously a small portion of fans are not indicative of the fans as a whole.The BlueOnion
I am so glad they are in the same conference. Let's hope now we'll have some competition in the ACC. They propbably will play twice a year but one won't be in a BCS bowl every year.I agree with Capella. Miami and FSU despise each other. Even in recruiting, there have been two separate occasions this year where a player has put on the jersey of one of the teams only to tear it off and take a shot at the other. Over the last 20 years, there is no bigger rivalry. These teams are always in the hunt for a championship. The games are insane, pure hatred. Next year, when we play on a Monday night, there is no place I would rather be. I will concede that Michigan-OSU is bigger over the history of college football but not anymore. There is a chance UM-FSU will be playing twice a year now, almost every year.
I know, that's why I feel you have a biased opinion and really isn't indicative of the true meaning of a rivalry in college football. I do care about games in other parts of the country and consider myself an avid football fan.........rarely moving from the couch or bar on a Saturday.
Yeah, NC St and Maryland have been awful the past few seasons.May want to check out the ACC's bowl record last year before you start throwing out lack of competition.I am so glad they are in the same conference. Let's hope now we'll have some competition in the ACC. They propbably will play twice a year but one won't be in a BCS bowl every year.I agree with Capella. Miami and FSU despise each other. Even in recruiting, there have been two separate occasions this year where a player has put on the jersey of one of the teams only to tear it off and take a shot at the other. Over the last 20 years, there is no bigger rivalry. These teams are always in the hunt for a championship. The games are insane, pure hatred. Next year, when we play on a Monday night, there is no place I would rather be. I will concede that Michigan-OSU is bigger over the history of college football but not anymore. There is a chance UM-FSU will be playing twice a year now, almost every year.
Some of my best friends here are Gators and yes they are pissed and they get all worked up about beating FSU or Miami, but not like I saw my friends up north get, and still get. I also noticed that the Gators that I know threw in the towel early this year and weren't as into it as year's past. We could suck but beating Michigan is all that matters.In fact if we won the Rose Bowl but lost to Michigan (oxymoron) are season sucked. If we beat Michigan and lost the Rose Bowl we had a great season.It happened this year we finished #4 overall, won the Fiesta Bowl but our season still sucked!!! That is why it is a rivalry. It's not about what bowl we are going to be in it's only about beating Michigan. National Championship implications are frosting on the cake but isn't the reason for the hype.
This is true for a lot of rivalries, such as:Alabama-AuburnOklahoma-TexasOklahoma-NebraskaTennessee-FloridaFlorida-Georgia I think Shaun Alexander said it best when he decided to attend Alabama instead of Michigan, despite growing up in the Big Ten."I wanted to go someplace where football was everything. Michigan certainly has a top football program, but I did not want football to take a backseat (to say basketball) after the football season was over. So I decided to head to Alabama where football was the number 1 priority year round."The BlueOnion
Clearly you haven't read the Columbus Dispatch. Ohio State news is always the focus of not only the sports section, but the entire paper.As for this playing each other twice a year crap, that only diminishes the UofM/FSU rivalry.
State of Alabama = City of Columbus, OHThere is nothing else in Alabama except football, just like Columbus (unless you count the Jackets). I think this is a fair comparison, both are die hard for their football. City's like Cleveland and Cincy are extensions of Buckeye football and some of the best fans reside there. It is true that the Bucks do not dominate newspaper headlines during the offseason in these places, but that does not take away from OSU/Mich, it is only because there are so many other things to report on (and you named them). There are plenty of fans in these cities, like myself, that do follow the recruiting from online sources. So I just do not think your comparison is absolute.I am very glad that Alabama (being my team of preference in the SEC that I follow) has finally gotten over on Auburn in recruiting this year, even with all the problems. It's been too long!
Think about it did they ever really matter?
Even though I'm a Noles honk, most non-Gator fans will tell you UF is #3 in the state right now. I was primarily discussing the UM-FSU rivarly, mainly because I think it's bigger than UF-FSU. #### the Gators, it's outstanding to beat them, but the UM game means a little more.
Yep.
And that's why I'm going with the hate between Colorado State/Colorado. It may not be long on tradition, but it is DEEP in animosity.
That's the part you're missing, Capella. Great rivalries aren't about "modern-day dominance", they're about passion for the game. Here's a telling statistic from the 2003 National Championship game between Miami and Ohio State. Top Cities by Viewership Ratings for the 2003 Fiesta Bowl------------------------------------------------------------------Columbus, OH - 51.2 (78% of homes with televisions tuned in)Cleveland, OH - 42.7Dayton, OH - 38.5Cincinnati, OH - 33.6Oklahoma City - 30.9Pittsburgh - 26.3Hrm, where's the Florida cities on the list? They're not. Miami, FL comes in later with a 25.0 viewership (tied with Atlanta, GA).How can a team have a great tradition, and spawn great rivalries, when their own fans don't even tune in for the National Championship?
Trust me college football in Colorado is a joke when compared to other parts of the country. I grew up in the South east and have lived in Colorado for the past 13 years and it just doesn't compare. I understand that you aren't trying to say CU vs. CSU is on par with UM vs. OSU or Bama vs. Auburn, but Colorado is a pro sports state. CU and CSU both have trouble selling out their own stadiums (and we aren't talking about the 75,000 - over 100,000 seat stadiums more like around 30,000 for CSU and 55,000 for CU). Its big in Colorado but doesn't register much anywhere else. Although, it is nice to see that CU has decided that CSU is a "worthy rivalry". Too bad this game may not be continued in the future, it does have some potential.
I don't agree with Capella, but that's just a specious argument. Ohio State is the only big time D-1a school in the state and it has an annual enrollment of...what 75bazillion students a year? Miami is a moderate-sized private school that has major in-state competition from FSU and Florida. I wouldn't be surprised to find that if you compared the percentage of miami residents who are alums of Miami to the percentage of OSU alums in those ohio towns, the ratio would be lower than the ratio of the TV ratings.
Porkchop -Good statistic, but like all statistics they can be twisted:1) One could make the statement that those viewerships in the state of Ohio were all Miami fans...(very unlikely though)2) Northern cities are more urban and southern cities are more rural...meaning southern cities are more spreadout into suburban 'sub-cities' where as cities in the north are more condensed. 3) Television viewership ratings are an inexact science. Who conducted this pole and what is there track record?4) One could make the argument that 'well obviously all the Florida fans made the trip to the Fiesta Bowl to support their team.5) The markets in the south could be split. Fans in Ohio who like college football were most likely Ohio State fans. To make the assumption that a college football fan in Florida is definitely a Miami fan, well that would be inaccurate.6) Ohio State playing for the National Championship was a once in a lifetime experience for Ohio State Fans, Miami was just there a year ago.For myself, I think numbers do mean something.The BlueOnion
What makes you think you can omit years? That's ignorant thinking.That's like me saying, what have the Tampa Bay Bucs ever done in the playoffs besides the 2002-03 season? Is that a fair thing to do? Come on, give me a break. You can't say things like what has Ohio St. done in the past decade and omit the year they win the title. If you want to have an intelligent conversation, then you have to speak intelligently.
oh give me a ####ing break, come on, you're smarter than that.Miami is a gigantic area, with many surrounding areas such as Ft. Lauderdale, etc, with MANY different types of people living there...hell, the actual school is in Coral Gables. Columbus is a relatively small city and as Mungo said, OSU is the only real game (in regards to college football) in the state.Plenty of UM transplants living all across Florida...that argument is weak, at best.
Miami football fans are pretty notorious for being fair weather fans. That info doesn't surprise me a bit. Heck, when Miami isn't competing for a MNC then they have trouble selling out their own stadium for games. FSU vs. Miami arguably isn't even the biggest rivalry in the state.
that's fine, I already said that if we're arguing history, then you can't consider UM-FSU.Present day, though, is a different argument. I don't care what happened in 1932, or 19 aught 8. You may, I'm not like that. My parents weren't even born then.And I agree, hopefully not everybody has the same opinion. We wouldn't be here then.
Therein lies the arguement. While I don't doubt that Miami students and alumni are passionate about their team, I don't see how anyone can argue that FSU vs. Miami is a better rivalry then OSU vs. UM or Auburn vs. Alabama, when Miami has trouble filling its own stadium. I would put OSU vs. UM as the top college football rivalry, and Auburn vs. Alabama right underneath them.
This thread is talking about rivalries. I assure you if you go to a Miami-FSU game, you will not be able to find an open seat. You will see two teams trying to kill each other and playing great football. The games are amazing. You are talking about games vs other teams, that is not what this thread is about. There may be some seats open at the OB when we play Rutgers, but that has nothing to do with this rivalry
My parents were not born then either, but you only strengthen my argument. That is what makes a rivalry, TIME. TIME is the answer.You take 2 great teams and pit them against each other for 100 years. That's why it's the greatest.If you say since 1980 blah blah blah, then sure, FSU and Miami's right there. But if you ask me what's the best college football rivalry in college football history, then the answer has to be Michigan/OSU.If you want to ask me what's the best rivalry of the last 20 years, you might get another answer.And if you ask me what's the best rivalry the past 5 years, you might even get another one.
Great point. Time breeds tradition, and tradition and significance is what makes a rivalry (at least IMHO). My guess is that the FSU vs. Miami rivalry will gain more significance and tradition in the coming years when they are both in the same conference (probably definitely surpassing FSU vs. Florida).
LOL! Sorry to make you defend the Canes
. Trust me I know first hand what Doak Campbell is like, especially when Florida or Miami are in town. However, you could say the same thing about a bunch of other teams and stadiums too.
Blue-What makes a rivalry a rivalry is not the casual fan. It's the people associated with each school in the rivalry (ex and current students, lifelong fans, etc.) who live every day to beat the other team because if you don't you'll have to live with losing to your rival for the next 360-some days until you get another shot at them.
UF #7...maybe this argument should be FSU-UF 
