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Best NE backup rb? (2 Viewers)
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StackTheLine
Footballguy
I believe Lamont will get the goal line carries.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Lamont Jordan is the most versatile. Better receiver than Morris, better runner than Faulk (9he's also the youngest of the group at the tender age of 29 entering the season.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
i took lamont jordan when all were available. faulk only enters the discussion in a PPR league, but still not much, imo.
i think jordan has a little more overall talent than sammy morris, but at this point, it's still mostly a guess as to which one is the guy to have.
i think jordan has a little more overall talent than sammy morris, but at this point, it's still mostly a guess as to which one is the guy to have.
Jackal King
Footballguy
Granted....Jordon wasn't in the mix last year. But, before he got hurt in week 6:
Week 1 - 11 rushes, 2 receptions, 65 total yards
Week 2 - 10 rushes, 0 receptions, 51 total yards, 1 TD
Week 3 - 12 rushes, 0 receptions, 46 total yards, 1 TD
Week 4 - 21 rushes, 2 receptions, 132 total yards, 1 TD
Week 5 - 21 rushes, 2 receptions, 111 total yards
He never fumbled.
Lamont may put a big dent in those stats....but I think BB likes Morris and I think Morris is going to contribute more than most people think.
Week 1 - 11 rushes, 2 receptions, 65 total yards
Week 2 - 10 rushes, 0 receptions, 51 total yards, 1 TD
Week 3 - 12 rushes, 0 receptions, 46 total yards, 1 TD
Week 4 - 21 rushes, 2 receptions, 132 total yards, 1 TD
Week 5 - 21 rushes, 2 receptions, 111 total yards
He never fumbled.
Lamont may put a big dent in those stats....but I think BB likes Morris and I think Morris is going to contribute more than most people think.
Boston
Footballguy
In real football Faulk is the most valuable but he has little value in fantasy. Fantasywise it's really hard to know until you see what's left in Jordan's tank and how Morris returns from a tough injury. My guess is the two of them will cancel out each other's fantasy value. In the end, unless there's injuries I don't see a Patriot backup having too much value.
baconisgood
Footballguy
You do realize that Jordan is 2 years younger than Morris right? That Morris is also coming off an injury? That Morris' y/a was the highest of his career, and that his career high for carries is 132? Morris is the definition of a depth back. Jordan is slated to get the goal line carries and is a better receiver and should see more touches until he proves hes not healthy (which apparently the Pats think he is).
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Here's what I have been saying for the last few weeks about the Pats running game . . .
Maroney 50% of the carries, 10% of the receptions, some goal line work (when healthy)
Morris 20% of the carries carries, 10% of the receptions, some goal line work
Jordan 15% of the carries, 30% of the receptions, some goal line work
Faulk 10% of the carries, 50% of the receptions, limited rushing attempts at the goal line
Evans 5% of the carries, hardly any time on passing downs, occasional vultured TD (mostly in garbage time)
Basically, I don't see anyone as a goal line back. Morris and Jordan have been practicing in short yardage sets, but I still think Maroney will see some work at the goal line. Basically, RBBC to the extreme.
FOR THIS WEEK, Jordan will probably be a decent fantasy flex play, as Faulk is out with his one game suspension and it seems like Jordan will be in on the plays Faulk would have been in on.
HOWEVER, I am hearing that the lack of practice and health to the Pats OL will have more of a negative impact on the NE running game than their passing game (certainly that's spculation). I also hear that the Pats are eager to prove that they haven't lost anything since the Giants beat them and some folks I know have said that they could very easily come out flinging the ball all over the field to show the rest of the league that they still are an offensive machine.
While I do think they will spent much of the first half passing, I would expect them to spent much of the second half running the ball. I would expect an even split of 30-35 passes and 30-35 rushes. Look for a lot of dink and dunk passes, TE and WR screens, and a steady dose of Welker underneath.
I would be shocked if Ben Watson plays (in fact I think he will be inactive), so Dave Thomas would be a sneaky fantasy play for those with limited TE options.
Maroney 50% of the carries, 10% of the receptions, some goal line work (when healthy)
Morris 20% of the carries carries, 10% of the receptions, some goal line work
Jordan 15% of the carries, 30% of the receptions, some goal line work
Faulk 10% of the carries, 50% of the receptions, limited rushing attempts at the goal line
Evans 5% of the carries, hardly any time on passing downs, occasional vultured TD (mostly in garbage time)
Basically, I don't see anyone as a goal line back. Morris and Jordan have been practicing in short yardage sets, but I still think Maroney will see some work at the goal line. Basically, RBBC to the extreme.
FOR THIS WEEK, Jordan will probably be a decent fantasy flex play, as Faulk is out with his one game suspension and it seems like Jordan will be in on the plays Faulk would have been in on.
HOWEVER, I am hearing that the lack of practice and health to the Pats OL will have more of a negative impact on the NE running game than their passing game (certainly that's spculation). I also hear that the Pats are eager to prove that they haven't lost anything since the Giants beat them and some folks I know have said that they could very easily come out flinging the ball all over the field to show the rest of the league that they still are an offensive machine.
While I do think they will spent much of the first half passing, I would expect them to spent much of the second half running the ball. I would expect an even split of 30-35 passes and 30-35 rushes. Look for a lot of dink and dunk passes, TE and WR screens, and a steady dose of Welker underneath.
I would be shocked if Ben Watson plays (in fact I think he will be inactive), so Dave Thomas would be a sneaky fantasy play for those with limited TE options.
I don't agree with this post at all.Morris is a better receiver than Jordan, his receiving had him pegged as just a 3rd down back for much of his career.
Morris had success late in 06 and early in 2007 that seemed to show he could be a featured back in this league and(maybe most importantly) a guy BB seemed to really appreciate. This doesn't mean his time in Miami and Buffalo is forgotten.
Jordan is a talented back with a real nice tough running style. He's older now, yet people still talk about him exactly as they did when he was a good lookin' rook. Does he have the talent to get 1200 yards? Probably. Will he? No way, not a chance, not happennin'. He's been in the league 7 years. 6 of those years he didn't even get 500 yards rushing. He has one good season at 1025 yards rushing(another 500 or so receiving). That's it! One good season.
He and Morris have a ton in common and that's simply not being a great RB. They are talented and thus useful to a wise coach like BB. That's why they're on the Pats.
Jordan's not the promising looking rookie behind Curtis Martin, here's who he is
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JordLa00.htm
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Obviously no one knows what will happen for sure. But IF anyone has value it's probably Jordan. I personally think he's a lock for Morris-2007 numbers and is probably somewhere between there and Dillon-2006. For the simple reasons that he's a starter-quality back and the other two guys aren't, and he's much younger. IMO he'll be a viable RB3 in large leagues.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Bri,
While you may very will be right in your assessments of Morris and Jordan, from what I can tell the Pats value Jordan as a receiver much more than Morris. Maybe they have different plans for them then the way they have been practicing, but Jordan has been getting inserted in Faulk like sets and Morris has been getting used as a short yardage, between the tackles, meat and potatoes pound the football guy.
While you may very will be right in your assessments of Morris and Jordan, from what I can tell the Pats value Jordan as a receiver much more than Morris. Maybe they have different plans for them then the way they have been practicing, but Jordan has been getting inserted in Faulk like sets and Morris has been getting used as a short yardage, between the tackles, meat and potatoes pound the football guy.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Those Week 4 and Week 5 numbers show that he can fill if needed, but those were weeks Maroney didn't play. So assessing Morris should be based on the first 3 weeks (in terms of carries and opportunities).If Jordan impacts those numbers any, than neither one of Morris or Jordan will have much value if Maroney is healthy.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
If by being a lock for Morris 2007 numbers you mean 8-10 carries (with some goal line looks) and 1-2 receptions a game, then you may be right. That's basically what Morris did when Maroney was in the lineup.
Morris impressed me with some tough runs. Jordan was a better receiver than I thought when he was with NY. All in all though, each Pats RB can catch and run fairly well. None of them are one dimensional at all.I figure BB is playing some sort of matchup game with his RBs that widdles the game down into Faulk's too quick for this LB, Jordan could barrel over that LB or S, Morris is too savvy for that young LB to handle (Maroney too) etc. I don't think we'll know for sure who is playing what role for a season. I think it'll be any given week and be up to BB's excellent ability to dissect an opponent and to put guys in roles they can excel at.I wouldn't be surprised if Maroney had 20 carries one week and 5 the next. If Jordan had 3 GL carries one week and 0 the next but he had 5 receptions that week. It'll add to my fascination with the brilliance of BB but, be a nightmare for FF teams.
StraightCash
Footballguy
The best bet is to stash both Morris and Jordan and wait for one to emerge.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Yes, that's what I meant... ~10-12 touches/game. But disproportionately high value touches - Recs and TDs. Dillon put up 189 points on 199 touches in 2006, and I think Jordan could do something similar in terms of Pt/T.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I doubt Morris (or any NE RB) will see 13 TD, but the rest is properly pretty accurate. I don't see Pats RB going for 23 total TD this year.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Lamont Jordan backup up one of the most durable RBs of all time for his first 4 years (oh, and a HOFer to boot). Sammy Morris backed up Shawn Bryson then Travis Henry, before splitting time with Travis Minor before backing up Ronnie Brown. His receiving 'skills' netted him one 37 yard catch season (as a rookie) with 22, 21 and 14 as his next best years. He caught 6 passes in 6 games last year and has three other years in single digits. Lamont Jordan has 40 more receptions in 3 fewer games and averaged 1.2 more yards per catch. Hes averaged slightly more yards per carry on ~350 more carries over his career. Yes, Lamont and Sammy have a lot in common, but EVERYTHING that Sammie can do for a team Lamont does a little bit better -> leads me to believe that BB will prefer to use Lamont over Sammy which makes Lamont the 'better' option as the backup RB. Is Lamont going to set the world on fire this year? NO. If you've got to choose between him and Morris I'll take him.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
But Dillon also had only 15 receptions. (I'm talking PPR in case it wasn't clear).
SleeperPix
Footballguy
perry147
Footballguy
I was continuing (or trying to)the earlier "conversation".I do agree Morris looked the best of the backups, maybe debatable vs Maroney even but, IMO BB is going to use his RBs in week to week roles which will be tough for us to figure out for FF.
baconisgood
Footballguy
I think the last two weeks support the idea that there really isn't anything to talk about. I don't have any of the 4 RBs on my roster and I won't be picking any of them up barring injury (though I did put in a bid for Morris last week on a team with some injury concerns). The only question, in my mind, that remains is how many injuries will it take before one of these guys is worth picking up? Is one enough? Sammy Morris leads the pack with 25 touches for 94 yards, splitting that production 3 ways isn't enough to make either Lamont or Faulk a player in my mind. Even if it did happen BB could well give Evans some carries as well. I still think Lamont is the better option than Morris, especially if yesterdays games are an indication of usage patterns to come. Coming in during the late 3rd Lamont got to run fresh against the D, which gives him the big play advantage over Morris. Of course this could reverse next week, so I still won't be picking him up.
Broadway Joe
Footballguy
Someone posted or I heard that Morris was slipping down even before Wk2 due to his inability to pick up the blitz./shrug
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Not from what I can tell. Morris was the one blocking when Brady got hurt. He di not the safety down, but he still was able to hit Brady.Morris had 8 carries for 0 yards yesterday, so he did not see much work in the second half because he literally wasn't going anywhere.I doubt any Pats RB will be a great fantasy option at any point this season (barring injury to a couple of the other candidates). Bear in mind though, that ALL of Maroney, Morris, Jordan, and Faulk have all had their issues getting hurt before, so that really is not that out of the question to think that some may get nicked up.
