biggamer3
Footballguy
Eli was not close to the prospect that Luck is coming out of college though
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Best Realistic Landing Spot for Peyton next year.... (1 Viewer)
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The Colts traded away Elway.
GregR
Footballguy
I have to wonder if there is a possibility that Luck might pull a Elway or Eli and tell the Colts he won't play there. I recall reading a report that his father asked the NFL what would happen if they did that.
Between the turmoil this season, the failure to replace talent with younger players, the brouhaha over key front office positions going to incompetent family members, and the prospect of maybe having to sit the first 3 or so years of his career, I think it's a possibility, even if not the most likely one.
Between the turmoil this season, the failure to replace talent with younger players, the brouhaha over key front office positions going to incompetent family members, and the prospect of maybe having to sit the first 3 or so years of his career, I think it's a possibility, even if not the most likely one.
CalBear
Footballguy
I think the assumption that Luck will go at 1.01 is unwarranted, and the assumption that the Colts will stay at 1.01 is also unwarranted.
Everyone assumed Reggie Bush would go at 1.01 too. Luck's hype has declined some and between now and the draft it's entirely conceivable that whoever's picking at 1.01 will go a different way, and even if the hype is still where it is now, the Colts may find it makes more sense to trade it than take it themselves.
And if they do take Luck, if Manning is healthy he is starting for the Colts. Even if you think Luck is really going to be great, would you want to see him out there on this year's team?
Everyone assumed Reggie Bush would go at 1.01 too. Luck's hype has declined some and between now and the draft it's entirely conceivable that whoever's picking at 1.01 will go a different way, and even if the hype is still where it is now, the Colts may find it makes more sense to trade it than take it themselves.
And if they do take Luck, if Manning is healthy he is starting for the Colts. Even if you think Luck is really going to be great, would you want to see him out there on this year's team?
SWC
Bromigo
i think it would be awesome if there would be a trade where the colts traded manning to an nfl team in a nba city and the nba city gave the pacers a bunch of good nba players because it would be awesome to see sports fans root for everyteam in there city at once like that and make evertynig super competitive but i bet the unions would say no so i guess nevermind
Donnybrook
Footballguy
The best place from a league and fan perspective would be Manning going to Miami. The Brady/Manning rivalry would be enhanced with two regular season meetings every year. Imagine the hype. The league would tweek the schedule so those games would be played in prime time.
spider321
Footballguy
This is REALITY football, not FANTASY football.
The Colts will not trade Peyton Manning.
Peyton Manning will be 36 years-old in three months...
Thus, the Colts will not pass on the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning.
Peyton Manning AND Andrew Luck will BOTH be Indianapolis Colts for the next 2 or 3 years, unless Peyton cannot play due to injury.
Get real people.
The Colts will not trade Peyton Manning.
Peyton Manning will be 36 years-old in three months...
Thus, the Colts will not pass on the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning.
Peyton Manning AND Andrew Luck will BOTH be Indianapolis Colts for the next 2 or 3 years, unless Peyton cannot play due to injury.
Get real people.
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
I am not sure what the reality is when it comes to Manning and his injury but Bob Kravitz thinks you are the one living in a fantasy world.
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turkishkamel
Footballguy
Those of you saying the Colts would never trade Manning, remember when the 49ers traded Montana? He was 37, coming off an injury and quite possibly the greatest QB ever. No one is off limits
The Comedian
Footballguy
Manning gets released. Nobody is going to pay that bonus, Colts included.
pantherclub
Footballguy
That is simply not true. You are either making that up or the report you read is wrong.
CalBear
Footballguy
Montana had a proven backup who had sat behind him for five years.
ClevelandRocks
Footballguy
As a Browns fan i would not give that much for Luck id much rather have an RG3 an a Lamar Miller with ATLs pick, plus keeping Thomas.'SaintsInDome2006 said:
Sabertooth
Footballguy
After seeing Aaron Rodgers' success after backing up Brett for several years I think he stays put. Especially with the new CBA driving down his cost. Luck would sit for probably 2 years and then see where he is at.
Which would probably have never happened in a salary cap era.
The Colts can afford to keep both Peyton and Luck but they won't. As we see the Colts are a terrible team in major need of talent and from a practical standpoint they just can't afford to pay Peyton 20+% of the cap when they have Luck sitting on the bench. For the Colts to improve they are going to need to free up cap space by getting rid of Peyton or bring in a bounty of picks/players by trading Luck. For a team that's old and in obvious need of rebuilding it sure seems like the wiser move to go with the younger cheaper option.
I believe Peyton will not be a Colt next year and neither will Dallas Clark or Reggie Wayne. I also am of the opinion that Clark or Wayne join Peyton at his next destination. Grasping at straws trying to predict where he might go but if you held a gun to my head I just think the Redskins make to much sense in light of their QB need, penchant for paying for older veterans, need for organization and Shanahan to show they are competitive and possibility they get shut out of a chance to draft one the upper echelon QB's in this draft.
footballnerd
Footballguy
guess we'll be having this discussion in 2 years then if that happens cause Manning will want to start
The Comedian
Footballguy
I don't get why people do this. Yes, Aaron Rodgers is awesome. Yes, he sat for awhile. This does not mean he is awesome because he sat for awhile, nor does it mean that in order to be awesome, you have to sit for awhile. Rodgers was a late 1st round pick with a weird delivery and question marks - Luck is an absolute lock for #1 overall and touted as the next Peyton Manning. There is no way he is sitting 1-2 years. The situations are not comparable.Also, if Manning is going to ply for 2 more years, drafting Luck at the expense of filling a ton of the holes this 0-11 team clearly has is wasting whatever window you have left with Manning. No one can tell me that if Manning suits up next year, this turd of a team is going to be 12-4.Colts need to #### or get off the pot IMO.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Comedian, you clearly don't know the Colts. They are not as bad as you think they will be with Manning. You simply don't pass on, or trade a player like Luck.
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What do you think it will take to get him?sihaokills
Footballguy
That would be damn pricey. Joe Thomas, 2013 1st and 3rd no way
glumpy
breeze
Perfect timing, they keep Manning and groom his replacement.Exactly. Hand forced and it will be with Luck also. He will not want to carry a clipboard for Peyton.
Saint
Footballguy
Let's look at the last #1 QBs taken first overall.2011: Cam Newton (Looks to be the best pick since Manning)
2010: Sam Bradford (Dealing with injuries, yet to have winning season)
2009: Matt Stafford (Dealing with injuries, yet to get to playoffs)
2007: Jamarcus Russell (BUST)
2005: Alex Smith (No idea here)
2004: Eli Manning (Won a SB)
2003: Carson Palmer (Decent, but a lot of down seasons)
2001: Michael Vick (Jail for 2 years, yet to get to SB)
1999: Tim Couch (BUST)
1998: Peyton Manning (STUD)
To say a QB is a lock for #1 overall and willI be successful is not quite realistic. There a ton of guys that have been hyped as the #1 overall that haven't produced in the list above, 2 out of 10 #1 overall QBs are not even in the league anymore. 2 of 10 have actually made it to the Superbowl, and a bunch in between. Now, it can be argued that when the Colts drafted Manning in 1998 they immediately started him for the full 16 games, BUT if you look at the previous two seasons, the Colts were on QB carousel with 3 different starters in 1997 and 2 different starters in 1996. This is a COMPLETELY different situation when you have a pro-bowl caliber SB winning QB already on the roster.
This isn't similar to Montana and Favre, only from the aspect that Young and Rodgers both sat behind those guys for a couple of years. The reality is the Colts do not know the extent of the injury on Peyton's career yet. They are going to be smart about it and evaluate it. If he can play, he stays. No way the Colts would take a #1 draft pick and get rid of their franchise on the belief that Luck will do better with no evidence. It's in the Colts best interest to keep Manning, have Luck sit behind him, and then possibly trade Manning in a year or so after having Luck learn from him.
Edit: clarify the first sentence intention to state the #1250 pick does not guarantee stardom
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spider321
Footballguy
I'm not going to read the novel that you wrote, but you're wrong here.
Maybe they learn they can't just rely on the QB position. They draft their QB for the next decade+ and use Peyton to build the rest of the team to support that QB.
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
Best case scenario for the Colts is Manning coming back healthy and drafting Luck next year. Trading Manning and putting Luck out there with that horrible team is just asking for disaster.
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Saint
Footballguy
Maybe the sentence was unclear, so I edited accordingly. Intent is to state #1 pick does not guarantee success. If you understood that, then we still differ in opinion, as the facts are facts no matter what else you may think. Personally I like Luck and think he should be #1, but history has proven that #1 picks don't always work out. Go back and read the stuff about alex smith when he came out or jamarcus. Different year, same hype.
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bump for greatness.
