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Best rookie after Bush? (1 Viewer)

Limp Dogg Bizkits

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Most drafts I have seen have the next 4 RB's in this order:

Maroney

Addai

Williams

White

Addai seems to be in the best situation for minutes this year. None of them are guaranteed to start. At best, we are looking at a RBBC for this year with these guys unless Dillon, Foster get injured and then Moroney/Williams will gain value this year. Which of these RB's have the best long term value if you are in a rebuilding year and don't really care where you finish this year?

 
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Laurence Maroney

I trust Bill Belichick's evaluation more than my own, or anyone else's for that matter.

 
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anyone care to say why Moroney? Does anyone think he will have value this year? Dillon will be the #1 here unless he gets hurt. I could see a RBBC next season and Moroney as the #1 in 3 years. Does anyone see him starting earlier than that?

 
I vote Maroney. Let's say Foster has a healthy year, he is still a young RB. I could potentially see that as a Jones/Benson deal. Where as Dillon realistically has 1-1.5 productive years of playing to go. Carolina is more of a run first team and could use a RBBC in the future. I have the scond pick in a rook draft and I am comfortably going with Lawrence Maroney.

 
Most drafts I have seen have the next 4 RB's in this order:

Maroney

Addai

Williams

White

Addai seems to be in the best situation for minutes this year. None of them are guaranteed to start. At best, we are looking at a RBBC for this year with these guys unless Dillon, Freddy get injured and then Moroney/Williams will gain value this year. Which of these RB's have the best long term value if you are in a rebuilding year and don't really care where you finish this year?
Do you mean Foster, or are you leaving out Maurice Drew?
 
1. Bush

2. Maroney

3. White

4. Leinart

5. Davis

6. Young

7. Williams

8. Jackson

9. Holmes

10. Lewis

11. Addai

12. Calhoun

13. Hagan

 
1. Bush

2. Maroney

3. White

4. Leinart

5. Davis

6. Young

7. Williams

8. Jackson

9. Holmes

10. Lewis

11. Addai

12. Calhoun

13. Hagan
I sure hope this happens in my league, as I have the #2 and #6 pick. Would LOVE to get Moroney and Addai with my picks.
 
1. Bush

2. Maroney

3. White

4. Leinart

5. Davis

6. Young

7. Williams

8. Jackson

9. Holmes

10. Lewis

11. Addai

12. Calhoun

13. Hagan
I sure hope this happens in my league, as I have the #2 and #6 pick. Would LOVE to get Moroney and Addai with my picks.
Addai will probably go top 6 in almost every league. You won't get him at #11, but you have a shot at #6.
 
I personally don't think Bush will be the best rookie in this class.

I think L White and D Williams will have a better career than Bush. IMO

Bush to me will not be able to get around the corner like he did in college and lets face it. He was not used up the middle up at USC.

 
I personally don't think Bush will be the best rookie in this class.

I think L White and D Williams will have a better career than Bush. IMO

Bush to me will not be able to get around the corner like he did in college and lets face it. He was not used up the middle up at USC.
White has a good chance to win rookie of the year and is my pick to lead rookies in rushing yards. He could be a force from day one. Not so sure about Williams. I was never all that impressed with him and I don't know if he's capable of beating out Foster.

I'm not worried about Bush's game not translating to the NFL. His vision, quickness, balance, and burst are exceptional. I don't think there's any way he busts without suffering a major injury. I wouldn't even consider any of these guys above him in a dynasty.

 
L.White = the only Rb from this years group that could actually carry a 25 carry a game load ...

period ... case closed ...

bush ---- oh boy a D.Hall gimic player

L.MARONEY _ maybe ... but every RB that comes through that system has gained 1000 yards

ADDAI _ lsu homer here .. he is good .. but i think most are in love with the situation he went to rather than the amount of pure skill he has .. and he has never ever carried the load

 
Hey guys. Remember the question here. Who is the best to start next year? I'd have to go with Maroney. Dillon and he will go 1-2 this year and then Maroney/Dillon next year. The Pats aren't falling off a cliff talent wise and should be better this year and next. I would say that Addai is next due to his role in that offense. Bush would be third only because I am unsure as to what he will be used as. That being said, I would still take Reggie if I had the #1.

 
anyone care to say why Moroney? Does anyone think he will have value this year? Dillon will be the #1 here unless he gets hurt. I could see a RBBC next season and Moroney as the #1 in 3 years. Does anyone see him starting earlier than that?
I'd say there is little to no way Maroney has to wait for three years to get the starting gig. IMO, there is better than 50/50 odds that Dillon is gone after this year unless he has a renaissance season. And if Corey struggles this year, I wouldn't be shocked to see Maroney emerge by season's end.
 
White and its not really all that close. Chrissy Brown has nothing so beating him out will be easy like your grandma.

Foster, though a hurt biotch, is pretty freakin good. Maroney is still contending with Dillon. Addai? Who knows, but could be a monster. I like Addai a bunch, but am not sure he understands what is expected of him this year.

So for this year, White is the man.

 
I personally don't think Bush will be the best rookie in this class.

I think L White and D Williams will have a better career than Bush. IMO

Bush to me will not be able to get around the corner like he did in college and lets face it. He was not used up the middle up at USC.
Bush's game won't translate but D Williams will? How many time did Williams score running up the middle and how many did he score going to the outside? It's not even close.I'm not saying Williams won't be a good back, lets just use the same standards.

 
If you want to talk about the best rookie RB this year, the conversation ought to start with Williams & not Bush. The guy is a beast, has a complete & well rounded game, will take a lot of touches, and landed on a very talented & well coached team with significant RB problems.

If I had the 1.01 in a dynasty draft, I wouldn't be looking at a part time RB like Bush over a guy like Maroney - who is also in a good spot but won't get the real shot at the featured spot for a year or two, much less a guy like Williams.

 
If you want to talk about the best rookie RB this year, the conversation ought to start with Williams & not Bush. The guy is a beast, has a complete & well rounded game, will take a lot of touches, and landed on a very talented & well coached team with significant RB problems.
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If you want to talk about the best rookie RB this year, the conversation ought to start with Williams & not Bush. The guy is a beast, has a complete & well rounded game, will take a lot of touches, and landed on a very talented & well coached team with significant RB problems.

If I had the 1.01 in a dynasty draft, I wouldn't be looking at a part time RB like Bush over a guy like Maroney - who is also in a good spot but won't get the real shot at the featured spot for a year or two, much less a guy like Williams.
Huh? Why is he a part-time RB?
 
Huh? Why is he a part-time RB?
If he was a part time RB in college, how does he translate to a featured RB in the bigs? Especially with McAllister there, and more importantly a very poor height/weight ratio.
 
Bush to me will not be able to get around the corner like he did in college and lets face it. He was not used up the middle up at USC.
He was very good up the middle. He had a higher YPC than White, between the tackles, not counting short yardage and goal line work. There were games where most of his carries were between the tackles:example:

1st-10, USC28 11:51 M. Leinart passed to R. Bush to the left for 6 yard gain

1st-10, USC41 11:31 R. Bush rushed up the middle for 9 yard gain

3rd-5, WASH29 9:11 R. Bush rushed up the middle for 9 yard gain

1st-9, WASH9 8:21 R. Bush rushed up the middle for 1 yard gain

1st-6, WASH6 15:00 R. Bush rushed up the middle for 6 yard touchdown.

2nd-10, USC32 14:53 R. Bush rushed up the middle for 6 yard gain

1st-10, USC44 8:53 R. Bush rushed up the middle for 11 yard gain

3rd-6, WASH41 7:53 R. Bush rushed up the middle for 4 yard gain

4th-2, WASH37 7:13 R. Bush rushed to the right for 5 yard gain
It was a blowout and he wasn't used much the entire game, but he was obviously "used up the middle" quite a bit. Fwiw, I have gone through all 200 hundred of his carries from last year. He's awesome between the tackles.
 
Bush to me will not be able to get around the corner like he did in college and lets face it.  He was not used up the middle up at USC.
He was very good up the middle. He had a higher YPC than White, between the tackles, not counting short yardage and goal line work. There were games where most of his carries were between the tackles:example:

1st-10, USC28    11:51  M. Leinart passed to R. Bush to the left for 6 yard gain

1st-10, USC41    11:31  R. Bush rushed up the middle for 9 yard gain

3rd-5, WASH29    9:11  R. Bush rushed up the middle for 9 yard gain

1st-9, WASH9    8:21  R. Bush rushed up the middle for 1 yard gain

1st-6, WASH6    15:00  R. Bush rushed up the middle for 6 yard touchdown.

2nd-10, USC32    14:53  R. Bush rushed up the middle for 6 yard gain

1st-10, USC44    8:53  R. Bush rushed up the middle for 11 yard gain

3rd-6, WASH41    7:53  R. Bush rushed up the middle for 4 yard gain

4th-2, WASH37  7:13  R. Bush rushed to the right for 5 yard gain
It was a blowout and he wasn't used much the entire game, but he was obviously "used up the middle" quite a bit. Fwiw, I have gone through all 200 hundred of his carries from last year. He's awesome between the tackles.
He ran through enormous holes. That line opened the lanes for him unbelievably. Not to say he doesn't have the talent, but he got some nice open area to work with.
 
L.White = the only Rb from this years group that could actually carry a 25 carry a game load ...

period ... case closed ...

bush ---- oh boy a D.Hall gimic player

L.MARONEY _ maybe ... but every RB that comes through that system has gained 1000 yards

ADDAI _ lsu homer here .. he is good .. but i think most are in love with the situation he went to rather than the amount of pure skill he has .. and he has never ever carried the load
White is 3rd on the depth chart behind 2 solid RB's in Brown and Henry. I'll bet he ends up with numbers like Bettis had early last season: 3 carries, 1 yard, 2 TD's one game 0, 0, 0 the next.
 
L.White = the only Rb from this years group that could actually carry a 25 carry a game load ...

period ... case closed ...

bush ---- oh boy a D.Hall gimic player

L.MARONEY _ maybe ... but every RB that comes through that system has gained 1000 yards

ADDAI _ lsu homer here .. he is good .. but i think most are in love with the situation he went to rather than the amount of pure skill he has .. and he has never ever carried the load
White is 3rd on the depth chart behind 2 solid RB's in Brown and Henry. I'll bet he ends up with numbers like Bettis had early last season: 3 carries, 1 yard, 2 TD's one game 0, 0, 0 the next.
And yet ---
May 25, 2006, 11:08

Titans :: RB

RB White Could Start

Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports

If Tennessee Titans RB LenDale White can stay healthy there's a good chance he'll be the starter come opening day. The Titans think White can play tougher than either RB Chris Brown or RB Travis Henry and still stay healthy. As it stands, White is expected to be a big part of red-zone package. The big concern is getting him onto the field in time to learn the pass-protection packages. Since rookie minicamp, White has been weighing around the high 230s consistently – a weight the team has deemed acceptable as long as he dedicates himself to the weight room.
Yahoo Sports isn't exactly Pulitzer level reporting, but I think he's impressing some folks in Tenn. On the other hand, supporting quotes would have been nice. (for the full article, go here. It's a blurb about halfway down the page)

 
Huh? Why is he a part-time RB?
If he was a part time RB in college, how does he translate to a featured RB in the bigs? Especially with McAllister there, and more importantly a very poor height/weight ratio.
1) Other recent "part-time" RBs in college: R. Brown/C. Williams, T. Henry/J. Lewis; not to mention all the late or undrafted guys like Willie Parker (2nd string in college). Plus, despite splitting time, Bush was 3rd in the entire NCAAs in rushing yards.2) R. Bush: 5'11", 203; C. Portis: 5'11", 205; W. Payton: 5'10", 202; E. Smith: 5'10", 212; Barry Sanders: 5'8", 200; etc., etc., etc.

3) He was not picked so high to be "part-time".

4) Is McAllister healthy?

 
Huh? Why is he a part-time RB?
If he was a part time RB in college, how does he translate to a featured RB in the bigs? Especially with McAllister there, and more importantly a very poor height/weight ratio.
That argument doesn't really hold up. Did being a part time RB hurt Cadillac Williams or Ronnie Brown? I guess you could argue that neither carried the load last season, but they're both going in the top ten of most dynasty drafts and have each convinced a lot of people that they can carry the load.There are plenty of examples of college RBBC members becoming starters in the NFL. Domanick Davis split carries with LaBrandon Toefield. Clinton Portis never had more than 220 carries in a season at Miami and often split time. I'm pretty sure that Jerome Bettis was in a RBBC at Notre Dame.

Nothing about Bush's college career guarantees that he will be a part-time RB in the NFL. He never once suffered a serious injury and, to my knowledge, never missed a single game. He averaged 18 touches/game as a senior and was among the NCAA's leaders in total yards. Is he a 25 carry/game kind of guy in the NFL? Probably not, but that doesn't mean he won't make a huge impact.

People need to realize that a good 30-40% of his value comes from his receiving skills and versatility. He's capable of lining up in the slot and being split out wide, meaning he can be used in conjunction with another RB.

And for a guy who's high on DeAngelo Williams, I find it odd that you're knocking Bush for his "very poor" height/weight ratio. Williams stood 5'9.0" at his Pro Day and weighed 207 pounds. Bush stood 5'10.7" and weighed 202 pounds. That's a relatively small difference, especially when you consider that Bush is almost two years younger (and thus would seem to have a little more growth potential).

It seems to my like a lot of people are looking for reasons to dislike Reggie Bush instead of accepting the fact that he's one of the best RB prospects to enter the league in the past decade. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I think Bush will gradually prove that the hype was justified (although I don't necessarily expect him to win Rookie of the Year).

 
It seems to my like a lot of people are looking for reasons to dislike Reggie Bush instead of accepting the fact that he's one of the best RB prospects to enter the league in the past decade.
I think the last part of that sentence is what is driving a lot of folks to hate Bush - that so many have already said how good he is when he hasn't played a down in the league.I'm not saying I disagree with that assessment, but I think a lot of folks don't want to be told they have to get on board with that any more then the Texans did. Of course, some reactions are going so far the other direction it's almost silly.

 
If you want to talk about the best rookie RB this year, the conversation ought to start with Williams & not Bush.  The guy is a beast, has a complete & well rounded game, will take a lot of touches, and landed on a very talented & well coached team with significant RB problems.
:no:
Which part don't you agree with? I've seen a ton of Williams, and the guy is a beast.
 
If you want to talk about the best rookie RB this year, the conversation ought to start with Williams & not Bush.  The guy is a beast, has a complete & well rounded game, will take a lot of touches, and landed on a very talented & well coached team with significant RB problems.
:no:
Which part don't you agree with? I've seen a ton of Williams, and the guy is a beast.
I don't agree that he's a beast and I definitely don't think he's going to be the most productive rookie. He probably has the toughest path to playing time out of any of the top rookie backs. I think he's the most likely to pull a "Cedric Benson" out of this year's group. I don't see him starting unless Foster gets hurt (admittedly, that's always a pretty good possibility).Maroney has a realistic chance to win the starting job during the season depending on how quickly he learns and on how willing Belichick is to let a rookie play.

White and Addai will probably be given every opportunity to win the week one starting job.

Bush should get a lot of touches regardless of how well McAllister recovers.

 
I think it has to be Addai. Indy spends the entire game in the red zone. I keep hearing about how they're going to use him extensively in the passing game. So he gets an extra value boost in PPR leagues. Plus, watching his video, it's true when they say he's an Edge clone, he has the same step and cut.

 
And for a guy who's high on DeAngelo Williams, I find it odd that you're knocking Bush for his "very poor" height/weight ratio. Williams stood 5'9.0" at his Pro Day and weighed 207 pounds. Bush stood 5'10.7" and weighed 202 pounds. That's a relatively small difference, especially when you consider that Bush is almost two years younger (and thus would seem to have a little more growth potential).
Combine numbers:Reggie Bush USC 5-10 7/8 201 DeAngelo Williams Memphis 5-9 214 That's a significant difference.Let me ask you a simple question. If Bush is as great as you project him to be - he's the greatest RB prospect in at least a decade, why was Pete Carroll so stupid to only allow him 18 touches a game? If he is that far above all other RBs - not guys that are balanced in their attributes like Ronnie Brown & Cadillac Williams were, why wouldn't Carroll have him touching the ball at least 25 times a game - and most probably more - if he could handle the work, especially since he is so diverse and can allegedly play H-back & WR, as well as RB?
 
And for a guy who's high on DeAngelo Williams, I find it odd that you're knocking Bush for his "very poor" height/weight ratio. Williams stood 5'9.0" at his Pro Day and weighed 207 pounds. Bush stood 5'10.7" and weighed 202 pounds. That's a relatively small difference, especially when you consider that Bush is almost two years younger (and thus would seem to have a little more growth potential).
Combine numbers:Reggie Bush USC 5-10 7/8 201

DeAngelo Williams Memphis 5-9 214

That's a significant difference.

Let me ask you a simple question. If Bush is as great as you project him to be - he's the greatest RB prospect in at least a decade, why was Pete Carroll so stupid to only allow him 18 touches a game? If he is that far above all other RBs - not guys that are balanced in their attributes like Ronnie Brown & Cadillac Williams were, why wouldn't Carroll have him touching the ball at least 25 times a game - and most probably more - if he could handle the work, especially since he is so diverse and can allegedly play H-back & WR, as well as RB?
The answer is simple - LenDale White. Carroll had the best power back in the country. This is the exact same scenario as Caddy/Brown at Auburn. Why wasnt one of them the true feature back? Because playing both gave the team the best chance to win.
 
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And for a guy who's high on DeAngelo Williams, I find it odd that you're knocking Bush for his "very poor" height/weight ratio. Williams stood 5'9.0" at his Pro Day and weighed 207 pounds. Bush stood 5'10.7" and weighed 202 pounds. That's a relatively small difference, especially when you consider that Bush is almost two years younger (and thus would seem to have a little more growth potential).
Combine numbers:Reggie Bush USC 5-10 7/8 201

DeAngelo Williams Memphis 5-9 214

That's a significant difference.

Let me ask you a simple question. If Bush is as great as you project him to be - he's the greatest RB prospect in at least a decade, why was Pete Carroll so stupid to only allow him 18 touches a game? If he is that far above all other RBs - not guys that are balanced in their attributes like Ronnie Brown & Cadillac Williams were, why wouldn't Carroll have him touching the ball at least 25 times a game - and most probably more - if he could handle the work, especially since he is so diverse and can allegedly play H-back & WR, as well as RB?
Despite only touching the ball 19 times per game (rushing, receiving, punt returns) he was FIRST in the nation in yards per game. Did he need additional carries? Many games he only played a limited role because it was a blowout, and in any close game he did touch the ball over 20 times. Carroll did not limit his touches because he was bad. In addition, Bush was not the only good player on the team... White was also a good RB who served a purpose as a great short yardage back who could also grind out the clock with a lead. White may very well be the 2nd best RB coming out of the draft.... behind Bush.
 
And for a guy who's high on DeAngelo Williams, I find it odd that you're knocking Bush for his "very poor" height/weight ratio. Williams stood 5'9.0" at his Pro Day and weighed 207 pounds. Bush stood 5'10.7" and weighed 202 pounds. That's a relatively small difference, especially when you consider that Bush is almost two years younger (and thus would seem to have a little more growth potential).
Combine numbers:Reggie Bush USC 5-10 7/8 201

DeAngelo Williams Memphis 5-9 214

That's a significant difference.

Let me ask you a simple question. If Bush is as great as you project him to be - he's the greatest RB prospect in at least a decade, why was Pete Carroll so stupid to only allow him 18 touches a game? If he is that far above all other RBs - not guys that are balanced in their attributes like Ronnie Brown & Cadillac Williams were, why wouldn't Carroll have him touching the ball at least 25 times a game - and most probably more - if he could handle the work, especially since he is so diverse and can allegedly play H-back & WR, as well as RB?
The answer is simple - LenDale White. Carroll had the best power back in the country. This is the exact same scenario as Caddy/Brown at Auburn. Why wasnt one of them the true feature back? Because playing both gave the team the best chance to win.
The answer isn't that simple. If Bush is that far above all other RBs, including White, then Carroll is an idiot for only giving him 18 touches a game - especially since the claim has been made that Bush is an excellent runner between the tackles.There wasn't the huge distinction being made that Cadillac Williams was head & shoulders better than Ronnie Brown, much less being the best RB in a decade or more, like Bush is being called.

If this is indeed the case, then the only reason that can be made for Bush only getting 18 touches a game is that Pete Carroll is most probably the stupidest coach in college football. If you have a RB that is that superior to all other players in college football, much less the other RB on your own team, and he capable of a full work load, then he ought to be touching the ball at least 25 times a game - not having 25 carries - but 25 touches a game at least.

 
If this is indeed the case, then the only reason that can be made for Bush only getting 18 touches a game is that Pete Carroll is most probably the stupidest coach in college football. If you have a RB that is that superior to all other players in college football, much less the other RB on your own team, and he capable of a full work load, then he ought to be touching the ball at least 25 times a game - not having 25 carries - but 25 touches a game at least.
LOL - yep.... USC lost 2 games in the 3 years Bush was carrying the rock.... Carroll must be stupid. What more could they have done with Bush getting more carries? He lead the nation in yards and won the Heisman, and the team was one of the best for 3 straight years....
 
And for a guy who's high on DeAngelo Williams, I find it odd that you're knocking Bush for his "very poor" height/weight ratio. Williams stood 5'9.0" at his Pro Day and weighed 207 pounds. Bush stood 5'10.7" and weighed 202 pounds. That's a relatively small difference, especially when you consider that Bush is almost two years younger (and thus would seem to have a little more growth potential).
Combine numbers:Reggie Bush USC 5-10 7/8 201

DeAngelo Williams Memphis 5-9 214

That's a significant difference.

Let me ask you a simple question. If Bush is as great as you project him to be - he's the greatest RB prospect in at least a decade, why was Pete Carroll so stupid to only allow him 18 touches a game? If he is that far above all other RBs - not guys that are balanced in their attributes like Ronnie Brown & Cadillac Williams were, why wouldn't Carroll have him touching the ball at least 25 times a game - and most probably more - if he could handle the work, especially since he is so diverse and can allegedly play H-back & WR, as well as RB?
The answer is simple - LenDale White. Carroll had the best power back in the country. This is the exact same scenario as Caddy/Brown at Auburn. Why wasnt one of them the true feature back? Because playing both gave the team the best chance to win.
Yep, but don't forget about Matt Lienart, Steve Smith, Dwayne Jarrett, Dominique Byrd, and so on and so forth. With the exception of the Rose Bowl game, I'd say Bush got an ideal number of touches last year.
 
LOL - yep.... USC lost 2 games in the 3 years Bush was carrying the rock.... Carroll must be stupid. What more could they have done with Bush getting more carries? He lead the nation in yards and won the Heisman, and the team was one of the best for 3 straight years....
Which obviously is my point by using the same sarcasm that you used.I also find the blow-out excuse for Bush's reduced work load interesting. USC was behind at halftime in 5 of their games last year.
 
And for a guy who's high on DeAngelo Williams, I find it odd that you're knocking Bush for his "very poor" height/weight ratio. Williams stood 5'9.0" at his Pro Day and weighed 207 pounds. Bush stood 5'10.7" and weighed 202 pounds. That's a relatively small difference, especially when you consider that Bush is almost two years younger (and thus would seem to have a little more growth potential).
Combine numbers:Reggie Bush USC 5-10 7/8 201

DeAngelo Williams Memphis 5-9 214

That's a significant difference.

Let me ask you a simple question. If Bush is as great as you project him to be - he's the greatest RB prospect in at least a decade, why was Pete Carroll so stupid to only allow him 18 touches a game? If he is that far above all other RBs - not guys that are balanced in their attributes like Ronnie Brown & Cadillac Williams were, why wouldn't Carroll have him touching the ball at least 25 times a game - and most probably more - if he could handle the work, especially since he is so diverse and can allegedly play H-back & WR, as well as RB?
The answer is simple - LenDale White. Carroll had the best power back in the country. This is the exact same scenario as Caddy/Brown at Auburn. Why wasnt one of them the true feature back? Because playing both gave the team the best chance to win.
The answer isn't that simple. If Bush is that far above all other RBs, including White, then Carroll is an idiot for only giving him 18 touches a game - especially since the claim has been made that Bush is an excellent runner between the tackles.There wasn't the huge distinction being made that Cadillac Williams was head & shoulders better than Ronnie Brown, much less being the best RB in a decade or more, like Bush is being called.

If this is indeed the case, then the only reason that can be made for Bush only getting 18 touches a game is that Pete Carroll is most probably the stupidest coach in college football. If you have a RB that is that superior to all other players in college football, much less the other RB on your own team, and he capable of a full work load, then he ought to be touching the ball at least 25 times a game - not having 25 carries - but 25 touches a game at least.
I don't think anyone would argue that Bush is a better power back than White. If you had White and Bush, you would use them exactly how Carroll did - White to punch it in and move the chains, Bush as the multi-faceted weapon to keep defenses frustrated. Bush can be the best player in college football, but still not the best power runner on his team. Its not like White is chopped liver. He was the best power back in this draft, and probably the best true power back in the last few years.
 
And for a guy who's high on DeAngelo Williams, I find it odd that you're knocking Bush for his "very poor" height/weight ratio. Williams stood 5'9.0" at his Pro Day and weighed 207 pounds. Bush stood 5'10.7" and weighed 202 pounds. That's a relatively small difference, especially when you consider that Bush is almost two years younger (and thus would seem to have a little more growth potential).
Combine numbers:Reggie Bush USC 5-10 7/8 201

DeAngelo Williams Memphis 5-9 214

That's a significant difference.

Let me ask you a simple question. If Bush is as great as you project him to be - he's the greatest RB prospect in at least a decade, why was Pete Carroll so stupid to only allow him 18 touches a game? If he is that far above all other RBs - not guys that are balanced in their attributes like Ronnie Brown & Cadillac Williams were, why wouldn't Carroll have him touching the ball at least 25 times a game - and most probably more - if he could handle the work, especially since he is so diverse and can allegedly play H-back & WR, as well as RB?
Why overwork your star player if you don't have to? LenDale White was a dominant player in his own right. In some ways, he was even more dominant than Bush. USC is not Memphis. They have more than one weapon. There was no need to lean on Bush every play because they had guys like Matt Leinart, Dwayne Jarrett, LenDale White, Dominique Byrd, and Steve Smith.

 
And for a guy who's high on DeAngelo Williams, I find it odd that you're knocking Bush for his "very poor" height/weight ratio. Williams stood 5'9.0" at his Pro Day and weighed 207 pounds. Bush stood 5'10.7" and weighed 202 pounds. That's a relatively small difference, especially when you consider that Bush is almost two years younger (and thus would seem to have a little more growth potential).
Combine numbers:Reggie Bush USC 5-10 7/8 201

DeAngelo Williams Memphis 5-9 214

That's a significant difference.

Let me ask you a simple question. If Bush is as great as you project him to be - he's the greatest RB prospect in at least a decade, why was Pete Carroll so stupid to only allow him 18 touches a game? If he is that far above all other RBs - not guys that are balanced in their attributes like Ronnie Brown & Cadillac Williams were, why wouldn't Carroll have him touching the ball at least 25 times a game - and most probably more - if he could handle the work, especially since he is so diverse and can allegedly play H-back & WR, as well as RB?
The answer is simple - LenDale White. Carroll had the best power back in the country. This is the exact same scenario as Caddy/Brown at Auburn. Why wasnt one of them the true feature back? Because playing both gave the team the best chance to win.
The answer isn't that simple. If Bush is that far above all other RBs, including White, then Carroll is an idiot for only giving him 18 touches a game - especially since the claim has been made that Bush is an excellent runner between the tackles.There wasn't the huge distinction being made that Cadillac Williams was head & shoulders better than Ronnie Brown, much less being the best RB in a decade or more, like Bush is being called.

If this is indeed the case, then the only reason that can be made for Bush only getting 18 touches a game is that Pete Carroll is most probably the stupidest coach in college football. If you have a RB that is that superior to all other players in college football, much less the other RB on your own team, and he capable of a full work load, then he ought to be touching the ball at least 25 times a game - not having 25 carries - but 25 touches a game at least.
I don't think anyone would argue that Bush is a better power back than White. If you had White and Bush, you would use them exactly how Carroll did - White to punch it in and move the chains, Bush as the multi-faceted weapon to keep defenses frustrated. Bush can be the best player in college football, but still not the best power runner on his team. Its not like White is chopped liver. He was the best power back in this draft, and probably the best true power back in the last few years.
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And for a guy who's high on DeAngelo Williams, I find it odd that you're knocking Bush for his "very poor" height/weight ratio. Williams stood 5'9.0" at his Pro Day and weighed 207 pounds. Bush stood 5'10.7" and weighed 202 pounds. That's a relatively small difference, especially when you consider that Bush is almost two years younger (and thus would seem to have a little more growth potential).
Combine numbers:Reggie Bush USC 5-10 7/8 201

DeAngelo Williams Memphis 5-9 214

That's a significant difference.

Let me ask you a simple question. If Bush is as great as you project him to be - he's the greatest RB prospect in at least a decade, why was Pete Carroll so stupid to only allow him 18 touches a game? If he is that far above all other RBs - not guys that are balanced in their attributes like Ronnie Brown & Cadillac Williams were, why wouldn't Carroll have him touching the ball at least 25 times a game - and most probably more - if he could handle the work, especially since he is so diverse and can allegedly play H-back & WR, as well as RB?
Why overwork your star player if you don't have to? LenDale White was a dominant player in his own right. In some ways, he was even more dominant than Bush. USC is not Memphis. They have more than one weapon. There was no need to lean on Bush every play because they had guys like Matt Leinart, Dwayne Jarrett, LenDale White, Dominique Byrd, and Steve Smith.
Yes it is not Memphis so D Williams doing what he did with way less talent than USC to me is better than have R Bush split time with L White. The point for me when the National Championship game was on the line where was Reggie???

IF Reggie is one of those life time backs he should of been in the game. to me he is just a M Bennett type of RB. Speed to burn but not much up the middle unless he has a All Pro Line to make holes. While I do think that Bush is way better than Bennett they are of the same make of speed and not power. Plus lets face it the NFL LB's are pretty much as fast as him.

 
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Yes it is not Memphis so D Williams doing what he did with way less talent than USC to me is better than have R Bush split time with L White. 
Granted, Williams had an inferior supporting cast, but he also played in a cupcake conference. It's fashionable to bash the Pac-10, but they put a lot more players in the NFL than CUSA does. That includes defense.
The point for me when the National Championship game was on the line where was Reggie??? 
This is such a tired point and absurd argument. A guy who wins the Heisman, is among the NCAA leaders in total yards, and was voted team MVP by his teammates sits for one important play and is suddenly a bad prospect? Ludicrous. Michael Jordan didn't take every shot. Wayne Gretzky didn't take every shot. Team sports can be complicated. It's not always "give it to your best player on every play". Besides, White is probably a better short-yardage back than Bush. That's no secret. It doesn't mean a whole lot considering that White is the school's all-time leader in rushing TDs (and they've had some relatively decent backs at USC) and one of the best RBs in the country.

Also, you can't discount the possibility that Pete Carroll and his staff made a mistake. That's no fault of Reggie's.

IF Reggie is one of those life time backs he should of been in the game.  to me he is just a M Bennett type of RB.
NFL scouting departments disagree.
Speed to burn but not much up the middle unless he has a All Pro Line to make holes. 
We've yet to see him behind a bad line, so it's a bit premature to say how he'll perform in that situation. Besides, Bush is not an interior runner. No one is saying that he'll be a 25 carry/game pounder. That's not what he does. He's a Brian Westbrook type. Like I've been saying again and again, much of his value comes from his versatility and his receiving skills.
While I do think that Bush is way better than Bennett they are of the same make of speed and not power. 
Yes, and Johnnie Morant and Terrell Owens are also of the same make and power. That doesn't mean they're the same player.
Plus lets face it the NFL LB's are pretty much as fast as him.
I suggest you take a closer look at some combine numbers. The fastest time among ILBs at this year's combine was 4.61. Many of the guys were in the 4.8-4.9 range. The OLBs didn't fare a whole lot better. Only Thomas Howard and Brandon Johnson cracked the 4.50 seconds barrier at the combine and neither broke the 4.45 mark. Greenway ran a 4.78. Ryans ran a 4.69. Ingram ran a 4.67. McIntosh ran a 4.63. Sims ran a 4.54. Alston ran a 4.50. These guys were the cream of the LB crop. None of them ran a time that rivals Bush's 4.33.

I'm going to go out on a small limb and say that most NFL LBs aren't nearly as fast as Bush.

 
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