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Best rookie after Bush? (1 Viewer)
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Domination
Footballguy
Bsuh, might be the best back in the long run. But for this year I don't see how he is even in the conversation. Duece is a very good back, and I don't think that he is just going to give up the job. I believe that Bush could be this years Cedric Benson, in that he will end up getting stuck behind a back that has performed well.
Domination
Footballguy
BTW, Addai is sooooo overrated. He is this years Arrington. You are talking about a guy that has never even completed an entire college season.
Rev
Footballguy
I don't give a rat's keester if he didn't carry the rock that often in college. When he did, he looked excellent. He's an athletic specimen. He's playing for the Colts. He's competing with Rhodes. Take a look at a highlight video and envision him running through holes opened up by the Manning-led passing game, and I think you may change your mind.
Domination
Footballguy
Edge made the Colts offense wha it is. Everyone will coem to realize it this year when Peyton struggles.
Domination
Footballguy
I hope that i Have all guys like you i my league. Everyone is believing in the hype. Can't wait o win my next title.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
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Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I don't claim to have seen every LSU game or every one of Addai's carries, but I did see a few of them and enough to know that this kid is NO E.James. He's fast, and has decent hands but doesn't catch nearly as well as James and is NOWHERE NEAR as tough.
Its too bad everyone overlooks deangelo, no one is more sure to get hurt every season than Deshaun Foster, maybe Fred Taylor. The only team that has as good rushing totals and touchdowns every year consistently other than the panthers are the broncos. Maroney will be good if he gets his shot but its not a sure thing that Dillon gets hurt. He could get hurt... but Foster is a guarantee to get hurt, and early. Not only that, but Williams can catch 50 passes as well. The Patriots defense is still weak, making them have to pass more, while the Panthers continue to hold the ball. Addai... well just not as much talent.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
wasn't Barry Sanders also a part time RB in college? What about Priest Holmes in college?
So now Addai is the next Sanders and Holmes?
He wasn't that impressive at LSU. Only got the job because other people got hurt, and when he did get the job, he got hurt. He has average talent. If Indy didn't draft him, he would have fallen to at least the mid 2nd round. He's a questionable 1st round selection (mostly due to a large drop off from 5-6).Maybe his crappy college career won't mean much, and he'll be a stud. Who knows. But Addai is very unproven. It will be RBBC at best for him, and worst case is Rhodes carries the load.
The talk of Indy bringing in another RB isn't just rumors. They'd love to have another proven RB to rely on. Addai could very quickly be RB3 this year, and it wouldn't be a huge shock.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
I'm high on Maroney's long term value, but haven't all reports been that Dillon looks strong so far?
broncofan13000
Footballguy
As far fetched as it may sound, there is no gaurantee that Foster gets hurt. He is only 26 years old, and if he's healthy, he's the starter. I can't believe i just typed that
Rev
Footballguy
Beyond Bush, I'd be in the minority who would go Williams, Addai, Moroney, white
Williams: Elite college RB who's demonstrated an ability to carry the load and make powerful, decisive, and elusive cuts to avoid defenders in order to create big plays. My only qualms about DW is not that he is behind Foster, who will break a bone for the 5th time in 5 seasons, but that the Panthers have recently stated their intent to use him on special teams. Maybe this is the political thing to say now, or maybe they are really hoping that Foster comes through for once. But if I had DW, I'd give it to him early and often and wouldn't look back at fragile-foster.
Addai: Quite unproven, but the film I've seen of him make him a potentially fantastic talent. Extremely powerful leg drive, ability to run by or carry tacklers for a few extra yards. In Indy, he could take advantage of the space opened up by an amazing passing game and explode for R.O.Y. caliber stats. This kid really could excel this year, and only Dominic Rhodes stands in the way.
Moroney: Fast, but not exceptional at eluding tacklers. Studder steps instead of making powerful cuts. I'm from MN and have seen him play many times, but I've never seen him as elite. He was on a good team and amassed great stats, a good portion of which were against poor, non-conference teams, but I have never liked his simplistic running style. A look at his highlight reel confirmed my doubts about him.
White: Tons of upside, but needs to show a workhorse attitude first.
Williams: Elite college RB who's demonstrated an ability to carry the load and make powerful, decisive, and elusive cuts to avoid defenders in order to create big plays. My only qualms about DW is not that he is behind Foster, who will break a bone for the 5th time in 5 seasons, but that the Panthers have recently stated their intent to use him on special teams. Maybe this is the political thing to say now, or maybe they are really hoping that Foster comes through for once. But if I had DW, I'd give it to him early and often and wouldn't look back at fragile-foster.
Addai: Quite unproven, but the film I've seen of him make him a potentially fantastic talent. Extremely powerful leg drive, ability to run by or carry tacklers for a few extra yards. In Indy, he could take advantage of the space opened up by an amazing passing game and explode for R.O.Y. caliber stats. This kid really could excel this year, and only Dominic Rhodes stands in the way.
Moroney: Fast, but not exceptional at eluding tacklers. Studder steps instead of making powerful cuts. I'm from MN and have seen him play many times, but I've never seen him as elite. He was on a good team and amassed great stats, a good portion of which were against poor, non-conference teams, but I have never liked his simplistic running style. A look at his highlight reel confirmed my doubts about him.
White: Tons of upside, but needs to show a workhorse attitude first.
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ben4titans
Footballguy
1) Not to be a homer but Lendale White will be a stud. Chris Brown is already being shopped around (his contract ends after this season) and Travis Henry is yesterdays news. Lendale will see significant time this year if not start. In the future he will be the Titans new "Eddie George". Fisher loves nothing more than pounding the rock and playing stout defense. I think Lendale can carry the load.
2) Maroney - This is Dillons rocking chair tour, Maroney will be the man next year. Good team, good system, good back.
3) Bush - He will be paid too much money not to get the majority of work in the future, regardless of what Deuce does. I think Bush is more of a gamble than either Maroney or White but I think he will at the least be a decent back and could possibly be Marshall Faulk good. If you have "gamble" room on your dynasty team then Bush would move to #1 easily.
4) Addai - System is the biggest thing here. Who knows what Addai can do as a full time starter. I think he splits time for the next couple of years.
5) Williams - As others have alluded to, there are good young backs already on this team. Will be interesting.
2) Maroney - This is Dillons rocking chair tour, Maroney will be the man next year. Good team, good system, good back.
3) Bush - He will be paid too much money not to get the majority of work in the future, regardless of what Deuce does. I think Bush is more of a gamble than either Maroney or White but I think he will at the least be a decent back and could possibly be Marshall Faulk good. If you have "gamble" room on your dynasty team then Bush would move to #1 easily.
4) Addai - System is the biggest thing here. Who knows what Addai can do as a full time starter. I think he splits time for the next couple of years.
5) Williams - As others have alluded to, there are good young backs already on this team. Will be interesting.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
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sholditch
Footballguy
My take on Bush V. Williams
Bush was an explosive runner in college
So was Williams
The main differences I see are this:
Bush played in probably the most explosive offense in the league: granted he was largely responsible for that, but so were Leinart, White, a great O-Line, and a host of good receivers, again, one of whom was he.
DWill played most of his time on a alternatingly crappy (last year) and semi-decent (when Wimprine was throwing) offense, and basically he was the offense, and everyone who played them knew it, espeically senior year when he had a third-string, glorified punt-returner at QB. Regardless, he managed to rack up more yards that any other back, is one of four all-time 1-A rusher to rack up more than 6,000 in a career, and a bunch of other school and conference records. I don't think he is the receiver that Bush is but can catch well out of the backfield. Blocking will be his main hindrance, but I see that as a learning curve more than height issue (Emmit was the same height).
Situation:
Bush will be used more his rookie year, no doubt, but IMO has a much tougher job ahead in unseating Deuce, who is still young and a proven back when healthy
DWill also comes up against a starter, but a starter who had the job taken from him last year by an aging Stephen Davis, whose ypc was pretty much atrocious. Foster is far from proven in my mind, much less so than Deuce (or Dillon). IMO easier task to win full-load, but will likely take an injury to Foster this year (which is more likely than not).
Film:
Bush, in most of the games I have seen, is excellent at making people miss, and making big plays. This is a lot easier to do against the Pac-10 than it is in the NFL.
DWill, who also plays in a defensively weak conference (though Southern Miss plays better defense than any Pac-10 team I've seen), has shown the ability to shed tackles, which I think is a much better ability to have when transitioning to the NFL. Will it carry over? As hard to predict as to whether Bush will be able to make the faster, more experienced LBs and safeties miss in the NFL, but when a guy gets hit by 3-4 guys and still comes out of that running, that's a very good sign
Similarities:
Lack of experience against tough defenses, relatively small (though DWill is more short than small), undeniable talent.
All in all I see them as 1a and 1b, with Bush being the 1a. But given that Bush is going in the second round in inaugural dynasties, and is a sure fire 1 overall in rookie drafts, I see DWill as the better overall value.
Bush was an explosive runner in college
So was Williams
The main differences I see are this:
Bush played in probably the most explosive offense in the league: granted he was largely responsible for that, but so were Leinart, White, a great O-Line, and a host of good receivers, again, one of whom was he.
DWill played most of his time on a alternatingly crappy (last year) and semi-decent (when Wimprine was throwing) offense, and basically he was the offense, and everyone who played them knew it, espeically senior year when he had a third-string, glorified punt-returner at QB. Regardless, he managed to rack up more yards that any other back, is one of four all-time 1-A rusher to rack up more than 6,000 in a career, and a bunch of other school and conference records. I don't think he is the receiver that Bush is but can catch well out of the backfield. Blocking will be his main hindrance, but I see that as a learning curve more than height issue (Emmit was the same height).
Situation:
Bush will be used more his rookie year, no doubt, but IMO has a much tougher job ahead in unseating Deuce, who is still young and a proven back when healthy
DWill also comes up against a starter, but a starter who had the job taken from him last year by an aging Stephen Davis, whose ypc was pretty much atrocious. Foster is far from proven in my mind, much less so than Deuce (or Dillon). IMO easier task to win full-load, but will likely take an injury to Foster this year (which is more likely than not).
Film:
Bush, in most of the games I have seen, is excellent at making people miss, and making big plays. This is a lot easier to do against the Pac-10 than it is in the NFL.
DWill, who also plays in a defensively weak conference (though Southern Miss plays better defense than any Pac-10 team I've seen), has shown the ability to shed tackles, which I think is a much better ability to have when transitioning to the NFL. Will it carry over? As hard to predict as to whether Bush will be able to make the faster, more experienced LBs and safeties miss in the NFL, but when a guy gets hit by 3-4 guys and still comes out of that running, that's a very good sign
Similarities:
Lack of experience against tough defenses, relatively small (though DWill is more short than small), undeniable talent.
All in all I see them as 1a and 1b, with Bush being the 1a. But given that Bush is going in the second round in inaugural dynasties, and is a sure fire 1 overall in rookie drafts, I see DWill as the better overall value.
Yah_Shoor_Yoobetchya
Footballguy
I find this reasoning interesting.In White's illustrious USC career, he played in a total of 35 games, of which only 5 of those games he had more than 20 carries, and the highest of those was only 25.
I'm having difficulty drawing the same conclusion. Do you have any additional detail supporting your theory of White being the only Rb from this years group that could actually carry a 25 carry a game load?
EBF
Footballguy
I don't like this reasoning for reasons that I'll probably be repeating all offseason.Reggie Bush is not a typical RB. He's a WR/RB hybrid. He can and will be used in conjunction with Deuce, so it's not a question of unseating Deuce, but rather a question of complementing him. Reggie will frequently be lined up in the slot and put in motion. He has a very realistic chance at 5-6 catches a game, which is why he's such a great option in PPR leagues.
The three best comparisons for Reggie Bush are Brian Westbrook, Tiki Barber, and Marshall Faulk. Barber has had a lot of carries lately, but Faulk only exceeded 300 carries once in his career. Westbrook has never cracked 200 (largely due to injury). Both of those players do a lot of their damage through the air. The same will probably be true of Bush. I expect his career season averages to be around 160-220 carries and 75 catches.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
Reading that sentence hurt my head. Please stop.Knot thet I nesecaraly agrei whith hes pointz, butt whut thee Hail doz spellin half too doo whith enytheng?Yep, you really followed Maroney close....you spelled his name wrong at least 3 times times..
Rev
Footballguy
May I humbly say that I've been to 8 years of college and graduate school. I've travelled the world. I've seen alot of things, and met alot of people. But none of those opportunities afforded me the wisdom, insight, and clarity that came in the moment of enlightenment during which I read the sterling logic of your post. Thank you, Gartz, or is it Garts? Or Gorts? PS: I only count 2 mispelled Morennie's...Yep, you really followed Maroney close....you spelled his name wrong at least 3 times times..
Limp Dogg Bizkits
Footballguy
It's a lot.May I humbly say that I've been to 8 years of college and graduate school. I've travelled the world. I've seen alot of things, and met alot of people. But none of those opportunities afforded me the wisdom, insight, and clarity that came in the moment of enlightenment during which I read the sterling logic of your post. Thank you, Gartz, or is it Garts? Or Gorts? PS: I only count 2 mispelled Morennie's...Yep, you really followed Maroney close....you spelled his name wrong at least 3 times times..
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
And you sir have bad grammar. But perhaps we should get back to the subject.Yep, you really followed Maroney close....you spelled his name wrong at least 3 times times..
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
Please stop.
for focusing on the name spelling. If Maroney is a bust he will be called Moroney anyway. Rev, your opinion is duly noted and I will take it under advisement.
