Best Way to Setup Dynasty Rookie Draft? (1 Viewer)

[tombonneau]

My league is in its second year of dynasty and will be holding our first rookie draft. There is some debate about how to proceed with the draft and I'm hoping vets here can tell me which is the most common way dynasty rookie drafts work:

1. All roster spots must be open pre-draft (e.g. you have to cut players before the draft to open up spots)
   
2. Rosters can be full and guys are cut live in-draft to make room for new players
   

If we go #2 route, do you make cut players available instantly or go to the wire which will open at a later date?

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

We used to just draft rookies and expand the rosters up to that number. Then we had to drop back down before the first game. Now we have to cut from 22 down to 16 before the draft and you draft 6 rounds and refill the roster. That seems to be better and people like it more. 

 

[tombonneau]

We used to just draft rookies and expand the rosters up to that number. Then we had to drop back down before the first game. Now we have to cut from 22 down to 16 before the draft and you draft 6 rounds and refill the roster. That seems to be better and people like it more. 

Yeah, one guy in the league who has done dynasty before also mentioned the expansion followed by mandatory cutdown date. To me, you are kind of just deferring the inevitable but to the detriment of rest of league. To me it's more equitable for people to be able to choose the dropped players in a draft vs. in a waiver claim situation.

 

[JoeSteeler]

We expand the rosters for the rookie draft and then have a cut down later...those players can be picked up via the first BB waivers period

53 man rosters expand to 65.

 

[Hankmoody]

My league is in its second year of dynasty and will be holding our first rookie draft. There is some debate about how to proceed with the draft and I'm hoping vets here can tell me which is the most common way dynasty rookie drafts work:

1. All roster spots must be open pre-draft (e.g. you have to cut players before the draft to open up spots)
   
2. Rosters can be full and guys are cut live in-draft to make room for new players
   

If we go #2 route, do you make cut players available instantly or go to the wire which will open at a later date?

I am not a favor of cuts in dynasty leagues until September.  The whole point behind dynasty is to be able to hold and evaluate guys.  None of my leagues has roster limits during the offseason.  A couple have a preliminary cut to 60 in mid-August (IDP, so maybe 30 if not IDP) and then to 40 + 12 taxi final cuts (so maybe 25) after the final NFL cuts are made.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

To me it's more equitable for people to be able to choose the dropped players in a draft vs. in a waiver claim situation.

I do not really get your line of reasoning here. Waivers are where dropped players get picked up under every other circumstance - why would it be inequitable here?

 

[spider321]

Guys must be dropped before the draft.

Everyone gets a first round pick(assuming everyone dropped at least one player)

After the first round, the team/s that dropped the most players get the earlier picks.

In other words, it's a snake draft like any other but kept players count as your picks.  Strong teams keep a lot of players.  Weak teams get more "dart throws" to improve.

 

[acarey50]

I am not a favor of cuts in dynasty leagues until September.  The whole point behind dynasty is to be able to hold and evaluate guys.  None of my leagues has roster limits during the offseason.  A couple have a preliminary cut to 60 in mid-August (IDP, so maybe 30 if not IDP) and then to 40 + 12 taxi final cuts (so maybe 25) after the final NFL cuts are made.

This.

For my main dynasty league, there is no roster limit in the offseason, and we are running waivers every other week after we do our rookie draft (which we do about a week after the NFL draft). The rookie draft is just that, a rookie draft. Any non-rookie not on a team (or rookie after our rookie draft) can be bid on in the waivers.

We have a final roster cut down date where we have to get back to our roster limits, which are also no more than 40 on the active roster (we also have contracts and have to stay under a maximum of 100 contract years) and 12 on a taxi squad, also after the NFL final cuts.

 

[acarey50]

Also, this is the sort of thing that probably should have been decided before the league even started last year, as at this point no matter what route you go, if you do a league vote, owners are going to vote with whatever method appears to be in their best interest.

 

[Boone22]

We do cuts during the rookie draft. You drop a guy to draft a rookie. The dropped players aren't available to be selected during the rookie draft until the 3rd round. It makes the 3.01 pick worth a bit more in case someone of value is dropped to make room for rookie.  

 

[-OZ-]

I am not a favor of cuts in dynasty leagues until September.  The whole point behind dynasty is to be able to hold and evaluate guys.  None of my leagues has roster limits during the offseason.  A couple have a preliminary cut to 60 in mid-August (IDP, so maybe 30 if not IDP) and then to 40 + 12 taxi final cuts (so maybe 25) after the final NFL cuts are made.

same here. 

I've done the other way - drop players before the draft to make room. But very much prefer having no limit in the off season. Also allows for multiple player deals more easily.

 

[tombonneau]

I do not really get your line of reasoning here. Waivers are where dropped players get picked up under every other circumstance - why would it be inequitable here?

It's really league specific. We converted a 15+ year old league to dynasty and most were for and some against. We had some owners drop out and there are grumblings among some people. Basically, it's a mix of serious and semi-serious owners and people just staying in the league to stay in touch with friends. So anytime you add more rules and nuance it hasn't been met with much enthusiasm.

So on top of a rookie draft if people then also need to take time to set claims before the wire opens, I could see people upset.

Agree with another poster that this should have been decided last year how we handle it, but again, it's not super serious league. So I'm kind of just looking for simplest solution. I think in more serious leagues the expanded roster, but I think it would be a ####show for us. :(

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It's really league specific. We converted a 15+ year old league to dynasty and most were for and some against. We had some owners drop out and there are grumblings among some people. Basically, it's a mix of serious and semi-serious owners and people just staying in the league to stay in touch with friends. So anytime you add more rules and nuance it hasn't been met with much enthusiasm.

So on top of a rookie draft if people then also need to take time to set claims before the wire opens, I could see people upset.

Agree with another poster that this should have been decided last year how we handle it, but again, it's not super serious league. So I'm kind of just looking for simplest solution. I think in more serious leagues the expanded roster, but I think it would be a ####show for us. :(

Just start waivers when you normally would then (after Week 1) and have the cut players fall into that pool.

 

[Hankmoody]

It's really league specific. We converted a 15+ year old league to dynasty and most were for and some against. We had some owners drop out and there are grumblings among some people. Basically, it's a mix of serious and semi-serious owners and people just staying in the league to stay in touch with friends. So anytime you add more rules and nuance it hasn't been met with much enthusiasm.

So on top of a rookie draft if people then also need to take time to set claims before the wire opens, I could see people upset.

Agree with another poster that this should have been decided last year how we handle it, but again, it's not super serious league. So I'm kind of just looking for simplest solution. I think in more serious leagues the expanded roster, but I think it would be a ####show for us. :(

Expanded roster is super simple. 
"Hey guys, you draft a bunch of rookies, and then in September we cut rosters to the final size".

 

[tombonneau]

Expanded roster is super simple. 
"Hey guys, you draft a bunch of rookies, and then in September we cut rosters to the final size".

I agree. But something similar with expanded roster was proposed back in May and it was one of the catalysts for two owners dropping out. It would be my preferred method so maybe I'll propose it and see how it goes ...

 

[zed2283]

We used to cut from from 24+ to 18, then have a 6-round draft.

Then we went to cut from 24+ to 24 before the draft, have a 6-round draft, then cut back to 24.  We all like this much better.

So no off-season roster limits, and guys coming off IR lead to the 24+.

 

[Gally]

You have requested simple based on the type of league.  Here is my suggestion for simple:

• I would make the draft a set number of rounds prior to the draft.  Clear to everyone.  Simple. 
  
• Then I would require people to cut players  a week prior to the draft. 
  
• All players not on a roster at the time of the draft are eligible to be drafted. 
  
• You can draft as many players as you cut to fill out your roster to the roster limit.  
  

Very simple.   Not necessarily the best.  But very simple.

 

[JoeSteeler]

I agree. But something similar with expanded roster was proposed back in May and it was one of the catalysts for two owners dropping out. It would be my preferred method so maybe I'll propose it and see how it goes ...

seriously?

 

[tombonneau]

seriously?

It was one of many things, but yeah.

 

[tombonneau]

You have requested simple based on the type of league.  Here is my suggestion for simple:

• I would make the draft a set number of rounds prior to the draft.  Clear to everyone.  Simple. 
  
• Then I would require people to cut players  a week prior to the draft. 
  
• All players not on a roster at the time of the draft are eligible to be drafted. 
  
• You can draft as many players as you cut to fill out your roster to the roster limit.  
  

Very simple.   Not necessarily the best.  But very simple.

Right. That was going to be my approach. But ran by the expansion and cutdown with co-commish, and I'm gonna try to go that route.