Best WR of all time? (1 Viewer)

[NinerFan49]

Being a better athlete does make you a better player, otherwise guys wouldn't retire when they "lose a step."Perhaps I overestimate how much more dominant I thought Moss was than Rice, however, Moss's best season is still better than Rice's. Again, that is against much better players and much better defensive schemes. Moss has also been the key component on the two highest scoring offenses of all time.I'd argue that NBA players now are much better than NBA players 10 years ago. The human race has not greatly evolved in 10 years, but sports nutrition, sports science, and training have done so greatly. Suppliments, designer steriods, HGH, these things have helped athletes today become much better than ones in only a few years past. Just look at the NBA dunk contest, the feats of athleticism in that even has shot up dramatically in the past 10 years. Rice has certainly had a much better career, but I'd say Moss in his prime was a better player.

Moss is neither the best athlete nor the best deep threat WR in the NFL.Despite playing with quarterbacks who were not as good as the ones Moss has been fortunate to play with, James Lofton, a college sprinter and long jump NCCA champ, posted a 18.3 y/c career average in his 16 NFL seasons and was named to 8 Pro Bowls. He was only one inch shorter than Moss and leaped higher and ran faster.Moss's y/c career average to date is 15.6, and he has been named to one fewer Pro Bowl than Lofton. And unlike Lofton, Moss has a well-deserved reputation for short-arming passes in traffic, quitting on routes and quitting on his team. There's a reason for why The Hoodie traded him for a third round draft pick. And it wasn't because he wanted to help the Vikings.Best deep threat WR ever? Lofton.Best WR ever? Rice.Most overrated WR (in this thread, at least)? Moss.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Being a better athlete does make you a better player, otherwise guys wouldn't retire when they "lose a step."Perhaps I overestimate how much more dominant I thought Moss was than Rice, however, Moss's best season is still better than Rice's. Again, that is against much better players and much better defensive schemes. Moss has also been the key component on the two highest scoring offenses of all time.I'd argue that NBA players now are much better than NBA players 10 years ago. The human race has not greatly evolved in 10 years, but sports nutrition, sports science, and training have done so greatly. Suppliments, designer steriods, HGH, these things have helped athletes today become much better than ones in only a few years past. Just look at the NBA dunk contest, the feats of athleticism in that even has shot up dramatically in the past 10 years. Rice has certainly had a much better career, but I'd say Moss in his prime was a better player.

Moss is neither the best athlete nor the best deep threat WR in the NFL.Despite playing with quarterbacks who were not as good as the ones Moss has been fortunate to play with, James Lofton, a college sprinter and long jump NCCA champ, posted a 18.3 y/c career average in his 16 NFL seasons and was named to 8 Pro Bowls. He was only one inch shorter than Moss and leaped higher and ran faster.Moss's y/c career average to date is 15.6, and he has been named to one fewer Pro Bowl than Lofton. And unlike Lofton, Moss has a well-deserved reputation for short-arming passes in traffic, quitting on routes and quitting on his team. There's a reason for why The Hoodie traded him for a third round draft pick. And it wasn't because he wanted to help the Vikings.Best deep threat WR ever? Lofton.Best WR ever? Rice.Most overrated WR (in this thread, at least)? Moss.

So James Lofton was a great track athlete, I don't see how that makes Rice better than Moss.

 

[NinerFan49]

So James Lofton was a great track athlete, I don't see how that makes Rice better than Moss.

Lofton was a great track athlete. He was also a better NFL WR than Moss.As for what makes Rice better than Moss, did you read the post I quote below?

No matter how you argue it, Moss in his prime was the best.

Players now are much, much better athletes than when Rice played. Jerry would probably be only an above average WR now and Moss was more dominant in his era than Jerry was in his.

From 1985 to 1996 (his first 12 years in the league), Rice was first in every major receiving category. He had 37% more receptions than the second place guy, 33% more receiving yards, 103% more receiving TDs, and 68% more fantasy points.From 1998 to 2009 (his first 12 years in the league), Moss was 2nd in receptions and 1st in yards/TDs. There are 13 WRs within 37% of his reception total (including Keyshawn Johnson and Eric Moulds), 7 receivers within 33% of his receiving yards (including Derrick Mason), 4 receivers within 103% of his receiving TDs (including Hines Ward), and 8 receivers within 68% of his fantasy points (including Muhsin Muhammad).

Within his first 12 seasons, Randy Moss has amassed a whopping 8 top-5 fantasy finishes. Within his first 12 seasons, Jerry Rice amassed a whopping 8 #1 overall fantasy finishes (plus two more second place finishes, and a fourth place finish, for a total of 11 top-5 fantasy finishes). Randy Moss has been named a first team AP All Pro 4 times in his 12 seasons. Jerry Rice was named a first team AP All Pro TEN TIMES in his first 12 seasons.

In Randy Moss's best season, he had 1500 yards and 23 TDs for 287 fantasy points. In Jerry Rice's best season, he had 1100 yards and 22 TDs for 251 fantasy points... in 12 games.

Let's try this again; which WR was more dominant in his particular era again?

 

[grateful zed]

chris carter

tim brown

deserve to be mentioned

 

[CalBear]

chris cartertim browndeserve to be mentioned

"Cris Carter and Tim Brown do not have any characteristics which would make them appear to be the best WR of all time."There, I mentioned them.

 

[Ghost Rider]

chris cartertim browndeserve to be mentioned

And yet you don't know how to spell Cris Carter's name. That always cracks me up.

 

[SproutDaddy]

moss has a better highlight reel by far. rice's catches are pretty much all hes open and he gets the ball perfectly thrown to him(you know, from the hall of fame QBs he had his entire career that everyone seems to be discounting). half of mosses catches are hes open then its a bad throw so he has to go back and embarass the defender to make the catch. how about a compromise. if i have an incredibly accurate HOF QB I want rice if I have anyone else I want moss.

I can't even begin to explain the lack of logic in this statement.

 

[Billy1x]

Don Hutson. Compare him to his peers at the time.

Hutson in today's NFL = T.O./Rice/Moss in Hutson's NFL = unstoppable

Maybe TO but the other two would probably have been out of the league in Hutson's time where you could beat the crud out of the receiver every play all over the field and head shots and clothes lines were very common. Check out The Hammer's moves. They might be on you tube. He knocked out receivers all the time. Every era is different and they can't be compared. And that includes all positions.

 

[NinerFan49]

Every era is different and they can't be compared. And that includes all positions.

Good point. It is very hard to compare players from eras in which the rules were significantly different.

 

[spider321]

I stand corrected...

You shoulda stopped right there.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Other Mike Sims Walker. But I define best as 'weakest tweet excuses'.

 

[footballnerd]

bump

 

[Choke]

quickly glanced over this thread. only MOP and voice of reason have the ability to think for themselves. the rest seem to just follow what everyone else is saying just like in FF.

Nice freakin way to insult damn near everyone in the thread.I have never been a huge fan of Moss on a TEAM. Individually he is great (most of the time).Statistically he is almost without compare.Athletically he is indeed the Freak. Unreal combination of physical skills. But as a football player? For a TEAM? I'd take several before him as he isnt nearly the best for what Im after.Put him on the Raiders or another one of the many teams that isnt playoff-quality at that moment (or another sort of disruption)... and you know exactly what you will get, A QUITTER.I hope my position, on him and his legacy, is individualistic enough for you. If not, bite me.

Well this hasnt exactly changed any today.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Good bump. Could you have imagined Jerry Rice giving up on and then being dumped by two teams...in the same freaking season? Case closed.

In closing, Moss won't even come close to touching Jerry Rice as an overall WR and football player, and anyone who thinks otherwise simply hasn't been paying attention.

 

[NinerFan49]

Randy Moss loves him some Randy Moss... and cares very little about being a good teammate...

Great player when all is going well and he's happy. But if things aren't going the way he wants, he's not someone you can count on. Raider fans and Viking fans have learned that the hard way.

 

[Ignoramus]

@ people claiming Moss is the best ever.