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Betts - What is his floor? (1 Viewer)

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IF Portis is currently healthy and IF Portis stays healthy, what is Betts' role after his great performance last season? What is the worst case scenario in terms of his final RB ranking (assuming Betts himself doesn't get hurt)?

 
Prior to 2006, he had never accomplished 500 total yards and never had more than 2 TDs in a season. I think 500/2 is a reasonable floor, though it could be lower than that if Portis returns to form.

 
IF Portis is currently healthy and IF Portis stays healthy, what is Betts' role after his great performance last season? What is the worst case scenario in terms of his final RB ranking (assuming Betts himself doesn't get hurt)?
Probably similar to 2005 Stats:| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD || Ladell Betts | 12 | 89 338 3.8 1 | 10 78 7.8 1 || Clinton Portis | 16 | 352 1516 4.3 11 | 30 216 7.2 0 His role would be to back up and spell Portis.Healthy Portis >>>>>>>> Healthy Betts
 
Prior to 2006, he had never accomplished 500 total yards and never had more than 2 TDs in a season. I think 500/2 is a reasonable floor, though it could be lower than that if Portis returns to form.
I think the floor could be even lower than that, if Portis is fully recovered. But, with tendenitis reports already......
 
I think the floor is going to be around 800 rush yards. Portis is already feeling the pain of the knee problems, and we haven't even begun to speak about that shoulder..we haven't gotten to the full contact practices, yet..

in an effort to keep Portis healthy, Gibbs will utilize a RBBC, something he's used before , years ago, during his SB winning seasons with Washington. That formula is back again ,in 2007..I'd imagine both Portis and Betts will each get 200+ carries..in many ways, they might just cancel each other out..

But Betts really showed something last season,averaging 4.7 per rush..and I think he gets a lot more work around the goalline now..

so yes, I'd put him for about 800 rush yards and at least 6 TDs , as his floor..

I'm very worried about Portis playing a full season...

 
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I think the floor is going to be around 800 rush yards. Portis is already feeling the pain of the knee problems, and we haven't even begun to speak about that shoulder..we haven't gotten to the full contact practices, yet..in an effort to keep Portis healthy, Gibbs will utilize a RBBC, something he's used before , years ago, during his SB winning seasons with Washington. That formula is back again ,in 2007..I'd imagine both Portis and Betts will each get 200+ carries..in many ways, they might just cancel each other out..But Betts really showed something last season,averaging 4.7 per rush..and I think he gets a lot more work around the goalline now..so yes, I'd put him for about 800 rush yards and at least 6 TDs , as his floor..I'm very worried about Portis playing a full season...
Why would Betts, a clearly inferior goalline back, get increased work at the goalline... and why do you think his TDs will go up on fewer touches?
 
Prior to 2006, he had never accomplished 500 total yards and never had more than 2 TDs in a season. I think 500/2 is a reasonable floor, though it could be lower than that if Portis returns to form.
I think the floor could be even lower than that, if Portis is fully recovered. But, with tendenitis reports already......
My feeling is by week 10 Betts may be the guy. Portis is a great back, but starting to crack.
 
Prior to 2006, he had never accomplished 500 total yards and never had more than 2 TDs in a season. I think 500/2 is a reasonable floor, though it could be lower than that if Portis returns to form.
I think the floor could be even lower than that, if Portis is fully recovered. But, with tendenitis reports already......
My feeling is by week 10 Betts may be the guy. Portis is a great back, but starting to crack.
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I think the floor is going to be around 800 rush yards. Portis is already feeling the pain of the knee problems, and we haven't even begun to speak about that shoulder..we haven't gotten to the full contact practices, yet..

in an effort to keep Portis healthy, Gibbs will utilize a RBBC, something he's used before , years ago, during his SB winning seasons with Washington. That formula is back again ,in 2007..I'd imagine both Portis and Betts will each get 200+ carries..in many ways, they might just cancel each other out..

But Betts really showed something last season,averaging 4.7 per rush..and I think he gets a lot more work around the goalline now..

so yes, I'd put him for about 800 rush yards and at least 6 TDs , as his floor..

I'm very worried about Portis playing a full season...
Original poster asked what Betts' floor is IF PORTIS IS HEALTHY ALL SEASON.
 
his floor? My guess would be Hardwood? Carpet? ...wait Bellawood! Bob Villa recommends it!

Darnit, looks like Chris beat me to it!

 
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I think the floor is going to be around 800 rush yards. Portis is already feeling the pain of the knee problems, and we haven't even begun to speak about that shoulder..we haven't gotten to the full contact practices, yet..

in an effort to keep Portis healthy, Gibbs will utilize a RBBC, something he's used before , years ago, during his SB winning seasons with Washington. That formula is back again ,in 2007..I'd imagine both Portis and Betts will each get 200+ carries..in many ways, they might just cancel each other out..

But Betts really showed something last season,averaging 4.7 per rush..and I think he gets a lot more work around the goalline now..

so yes, I'd put him for about 800 rush yards and at least 6 TDs , as his floor..

I'm very worried about Portis playing a full season...
It appears you're wrong...http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...card/index.html

1. Make no mistake, even though the Redskins found out that they had two No. 1-caliber running backs last season with the breakthrough year turned in by Ladell Betts, there's no confusion about Clinton Portis being the starter if he's healthy in 2007. Gibbs and associate head coach/offense Al Saunders were very clear in telling me that Betts is the backup, even if he did run for 1,154 yards in nine starts last season, including a team-record tying five consecutive 100-yard rushing games (all after Thanksgiving).

The playoffs were filled last year with teams that featured a two-back approach to their running game, and the Redskins see the value in making sure Betts regularly spells Portis, who endured an injury-shortened season in 2006 (he hurt his shoulder in the preseason and broke a hand in Week 9). But while Washington plans on re-dedicating itself to the power running game that Gibbs loves this season, in order to take some of the load off young quarterback Jason Campbell, no one within the organization is expecting the Redskins to wind up with a pair of 1,000-yard rushers.

The scenario Washington would like to see is Portis finishing in the 1,500-yard range, with Betts totaling between 600-700 yards. The Redskins awarded Betts a five-year, $11 million contract extension in December, and that's a sizable deal for a No. 2 back. Washington just hopes it's an insurance policy it doesn't need like it did last year. But stay tuned, because Portis is currently sidelined with tendinitis in his right knee, the same injury that kept him out of a mid-June minicamp.
Barring injury to Portis, that's how it appears to unfold.
 
Prior to 2006, he had never accomplished 500 total yards and never had more than 2 TDs in a season. I think 500/2 is a reasonable floor, though it could be lower than that if Portis returns to form.
I think the floor could be even lower than that, if Portis is fully recovered. But, with tendenitis reports already......
My feeling is by week 10 Betts may be the guy. Portis is a great back, but starting to crack.
:thumbup:
So expecting the same exact thing as last year to happen again is good posting? :confused: Just because it rhymes doesn't make it on time.
 
So expecting the same exact thing as last year to happen again is good posting? :hangover:
I'm quite torn here. From some midway point til the end, Betts looked like one of the best backs in football. Could it be because he was fresh and other RBs and Ds weren't? sure, I suppose.Portis was averaging something like 1300 yards per season before last year. I believed he openned his career with only a few like Eric Dickerson openning with better rushing stats. How can ya bench that type of production?I'm not a fan of RBBC.In Washington, Portis has not given me the thought that he's a durable RB that will last all season. In fact at some point I was looking up how many carries he got at the U wonderring if somehow this guy could be winding down early due to overuse. I came away thinking NO but there's something here, I'm just not sure what. How about a Gibbs type RB vs a Shanny type RB? Could the Skins style be too rough for Portis over 16 games? I can't "put my finger on it" but there's something different in Washington about Portis that doesn't make me feel like he's as durable.On the other hand, Betts seems like the perfect fit for the offense. Again, I'm not a fan of RBBC.Curious what you think Bia about Portis' durability in Wash etc
 
I think Betts' rushing floor is around 125/500/2.

What makes him valuable, aside from being a Portis handcuff however, is that he'll still be a big part of that receiving game IMHO. His receiving floor is along the lines of 35/320/1.

And let's remember, by "floor" we're referring to minimum numbers that we don't think he'll fail to exceed. My projectiosn for him would have him getting around 700 rushing yards and probably 450 receiving yards, with around 5 TD's combined.

 
I think Betts' rushing floor is around 125/500/2. What makes him valuable, aside from being a Portis handcuff however, is that he'll still be a big part of that receiving game IMHO. His receiving floor is along the lines of 35/320/1. And let's remember, by "floor" we're referring to minimum numbers that we don't think he'll fail to exceed. My projectiosn for him would have him getting around 700 rushing yards and probably 450 receiving yards, with around 5 TD's combined.
He had 300 touches last year and only got 5 TDs. And his best receiving line before 2006 was 15/167/0. If we start with the assumption of a healthy Portis (which is what the original question was), those numbers look super-inflated.
 
I think Betts' rushing floor is around 125/500/2. What makes him valuable, aside from being a Portis handcuff however, is that he'll still be a big part of that receiving game IMHO. His receiving floor is along the lines of 35/320/1. And let's remember, by "floor" we're referring to minimum numbers that we don't think he'll fail to exceed. My projectiosn for him would have him getting around 700 rushing yards and probably 450 receiving yards, with around 5 TD's combined.
He had 300 touches last year and only got 5 TDs. And his best receiving line before 2006 was 15/167/0. If we start with the assumption of a healthy Portis (which is what the original question was), those numbers look super-inflated.
A valid point, but the team was battered by injuries and protecting a 1st time starting QB. 5 TD's may be too high, but I think the yardage numbers are spot on. Recall that Betts was by Gibbs' and Saunders' own acknowledgement largely an unknown quantity and a mere role player until the second half of last year. They now know that he's capable of more and figure to use him more.
 
IF Portis is currently healthy and IF Portis stays healthy, what is Betts' role after his great performance last season? What is the worst case scenario in terms of his final RB ranking (assuming Betts himself doesn't get hurt)?
Probably similar to 2005 Stats:| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD || Ladell Betts | 12 | 89 338 3.8 1 | 10 78 7.8 1 || Clinton Portis | 16 | 352 1516 4.3 11 | 30 216 7.2 0 His role would be to back up and spell Portis.Healthy Portis >>>>>>>> Healthy Betts
I am interested in the "worst case scenario" for him because I'm considering him as my 3rd RB in a 12-team league that starts up to 3 RBs (LT and Gore are my other 2). But I can't imagine that after what he showed last season that he wouldn't have a more prominent role than he had in 2005 even if Portis is healthy.
 
I think the floor is going to be around 800 rush yards. Portis is already feeling the pain of the knee problems, and we haven't even begun to speak about that shoulder..we haven't gotten to the full contact practices, yet..in an effort to keep Portis healthy, Gibbs will utilize a RBBC, something he's used before , years ago, during his SB winning seasons with Washington. That formula is back again ,in 2007..I'd imagine both Portis and Betts will each get 200+ carries..in many ways, they might just cancel each other out..But Betts really showed something last season,averaging 4.7 per rush..and I think he gets a lot more work around the goalline now..so yes, I'd put him for about 800 rush yards and at least 6 TDs , as his floor..I'm very worried about Portis playing a full season...
Why would Betts, a clearly inferior goalline back, get increased work at the goalline... and why do you think his TDs will go up on fewer touches?
The goal-line is not friendly to backs who are at risk to be injured. Inside the 5 you will get crushed from all angles if you try to plow down the middle and score. Betts may be less effective here...but is it worth throwing Portis into that situation when it could end his season?
 
I think the floor is going to be around 800 rush yards. Portis is already feeling the pain of the knee problems, and we haven't even begun to speak about that shoulder..we haven't gotten to the full contact practices, yet..in an effort to keep Portis healthy, Gibbs will utilize a RBBC, something he's used before , years ago, during his SB winning seasons with Washington. That formula is back again ,in 2007..I'd imagine both Portis and Betts will each get 200+ carries..in many ways, they might just cancel each other out..But Betts really showed something last season,averaging 4.7 per rush..and I think he gets a lot more work around the goalline now..so yes, I'd put him for about 800 rush yards and at least 6 TDs , as his floor..I'm very worried about Portis playing a full season...
Why would Betts, a clearly inferior goalline back, get increased work at the goalline... and why do you think his TDs will go up on fewer touches?
The goal-line is not friendly to backs who are at risk to be injured. Inside the 5 you will get crushed from all angles if you try to plow down the middle and score. Betts may be less effective here...but is it worth throwing Portis into that situation when it could end his season?
I don't know that Betts is clearly inferior. I certainly don't count on him to start 16 games this year.He is a better receiver and did manage a club record 5 consecutive 100 yard games last year with Portis out. I think Portis is a little overvalued.
 
So expecting the same exact thing as last year to happen again is good posting? :shrug:
I'm quite torn here. From some midway point til the end, Betts looked like one of the best backs in football. Could it be because he was fresh and other RBs and Ds weren't? sure, I suppose.Portis was averaging something like 1300 yards per season before last year. I believed he openned his career with only a few like Eric Dickerson openning with better rushing stats. How can ya bench that type of production?I'm not a fan of RBBC.In Washington, Portis has not given me the thought that he's a durable RB that will last all season. In fact at some point I was looking up how many carries he got at the U wonderring if somehow this guy could be winding down early due to overuse. I came away thinking NO but there's something here, I'm just not sure what. How about a Gibbs type RB vs a Shanny type RB? Could the Skins style be too rough for Portis over 16 games? I can't "put my finger on it" but there's something different in Washington about Portis that doesn't make me feel like he's as durable.On the other hand, Betts seems like the perfect fit for the offense. Again, I'm not a fan of RBBC.Curious what you think Bia about Portis' durability in Wash etc
Sorry about delaying my response on this but I was hoping that Portis might fall to me in 2nd round in recent Anarchy draft. I considered taking him with pick 1.09 where I drafted FWP instead. I think Portis could outscore FWP this season and maybe I should have taken him over FWP but opted to take my chances with ADP. Now that Sinrman has taken Portis I can respond to this.1st of all Betts is a good RB. He has been successful and would have been the Redskins starter if not for the Champ/Portis trade. However Betts is not a special RB like Portis is. Portis is one of the rare elite RBs in the league while Betts is solid they are not really close in terms of talent.That Betts was so successful later in the season indicates to me that the Saunders offense works with the Redskins personel. The same offense that has made Priest and LJ uber performing RBs in recent years. This is what I was expecting for Portis last season if he would have been healthy and Betts getting the opportunity and how well he did in his place only tells me that a huge season is in store for Portis ahead. And I think he would have had a monster season last year if he had stayed healthy.We will soon find out.As far as the RBBC fear I do not think that is going to happen. There is plenty of work for both RB without it being RBBC. If you look at Portis's career he tends to be better when he gets just under 300 carries for a season. For that same reason I would not be concerned about the workload Portis has had in his still young career. With Betts spelling Portis at times and the Saunders offense on track we may see Portis return to Denver scoring levels even on less carries than he has been getting for the Redskins in recent years.
 

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