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- Thread starter eom
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Betts would put up good numbers, if Portis was ever out. He's not startable unless that happens, though. I do think Betts played way over his head last year, but he's definitely not worthless. Trade him to the Portis owner, most of them will give up something for him. Not as much as they would have in preseason, but something.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
the betts bandwagon who was blasting portis all offseason is pretty quiet at the moment
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
If Portis stays healthy he has minimal value. If Portis gets injured, Betts has significant value. He's a lottery ticket. You have to decide what the odds are he'll pay off.
It has been quiet since week 1.
eom
Footballguy
I think the odds are pretty good that portis gets knocked out, which is why I started this thread.
if all betts can do as a starter is 80 yds and no td then he's worthless.
he hasn't done a damn thing w/any carry this year, and even last year he was coming up light on scores.
anyway, I already cut him for beason.
if all betts can do as a starter is 80 yds and no td then he's worthless.
he hasn't done a damn thing w/any carry this year, and even last year he was coming up light on scores.
anyway, I already cut him for beason.
-Crippler-
Footballguy
Are you serious? What happened over the winter?? Portis got healthy. He's not the starter currently. Why the heck do you think he didn't go in the first 2 rounds in fantasy drafts? Good lord, use some common sense.eom said:
eom
Footballguy
speaking of common sense.........
what was the subject of this thread?when I want to know about portis, the thread will be entitled 'portis' just so you know and I can get your keen analysis.
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Resident A
Footballguy
I agree he doesn't look good at all this year. If you look at the games Betts performed in well last year, they are against the worst defenses in the league at the time, literally. It was a bit flukey, IMO.
LOL at Betts being a lottery ticket, he'd be your RB3 at best as the starter. Sorry, but he just isn't that good.
LOL at Betts being a lottery ticket, he'd be your RB3 at best as the starter. Sorry, but he just isn't that good.
eom
Footballguy
I'm going to assume by 'lottery ticket' he's just talking about the random chance end of it --- not a possible windfall.
he's like a scratch ticket --- the dollar ones, not the fivers.
edit ps
thx for the tip about the defenses last year -- that's actually useful to know.
I was going to go look that up earlier but got too lazy.
he's like a scratch ticket --- the dollar ones, not the fivers.
edit ps
thx for the tip about the defenses last year -- that's actually useful to know.
I was going to go look that up earlier but got too lazy.
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The Gator
Footballguy
Why is this? Esp. after what he did as a full time player last year. He has zero value if Portis is healthy, but to say RB3 as a starter doesn't make sense.
Swampy
Footballguy
Exactly. What happened over winter? I love that. Its like Portis was never the starter, now he is getting all the carries WTF??/ How did that happen???
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
So all 6 of the defenses he faced last year were terrible? Six games were just a fluke?
I'm sure during his incredible run at the end last year people weren't keeping him on the bench as a RB#3.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
yep, kinda like Portis.
I will assume you fall into the category of Fantasy Football players that only remember the year before. Prior to last year he has missed 4 games. 1 of those were in a Redskins uniform, last year the only reason he even went on IR was because, the Redskins were out of the playoffs, otherwise instead of missing 8 games he would have missed 4 Please feel free to constantly assume that players are hurt and cannot produce all year, it is good for me and anyone else that can remember not only when a player was hurt but why they were hurt.Portis does get dinged up as the year goes on, I challenge you to give me the name of a NFL RB that has never appeared on any injury list.
fsufan
Footballguy
eom
Footballguy
uh...and how would that be good for you when we don't play in the same league?gotta work on the zingers, dude.I don't really care what he was up to 2 years ago, because right now he's on gimpy knees.anyway, this thread is about betts, not portis.would it help some of you guys if I could get the thread subject in a bigger font?
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bigfeet_88
Footballguy
Bett's worth is directly correlated to Portis, so this thread is just as much about Portis as it is Betts. Despite whatever performance you see Betts give this year spelling Portis, he has value if Portis goes down. Was Betts kicking butt last year before Portis went down? Could you predict the kind of year he would have when Portis went down based on how he was doing at the time?
The fact that you mentioned that you feel Portis has gimpy knees and is susceptible to injury should answer your own question.
The fact that you mentioned that you feel Portis has gimpy knees and is susceptible to injury should answer your own question.
You guys are missing the point here, intentionally I hope.The question is why is Betts looking so bad this year as opposed to last year when he looked much better, regardless if he's not the starter now.Exactly. What happened over winter? I love that. Its like Portis was never the starter, now he is getting all the carries WTF??/ How did that happen???
dgreen
Footballguy
He's no longer running through aircraft carrier sized holes like he was towards the end of last season. His YPC may increase as the season progresses as the running game hit its stride, but I doubt you'll see his carries increase too much barring a Portis injury.You guys are missing the point here, intentionally I hope.The question is why is Betts looking so bad this year as opposed to last year when he looked much better, regardless if he's not the starter now.
redman
Footballguy
Currently 60% of the offensive line is different than what Betts was running behind last year - Jansen and perhaps Thomas are lost for the season, and Dockery left in free agency. Only their LT Samuels and their C Rabach are still there and healthy. They ran left twice in a row at the end of the Giants game because that's currently the strength of their line. I personally think that a healthy Portis would have averaged over 5 yards per carry the second half of last year given how well that line was blocking, but we'll never know. What's being exposed about Betts is that he's a good RB at decisively hitting the hole he's assigned to hit as he showed last year, but as between him and Portis, Portis is far more adept at seeing alternative holes and cutting to hit them, so Portis is more successful right now ad libbing as needed.He's no longer running through aircraft carrier sized holes like he was towards the end of last season. His YPC may increase as the season progresses as the running game hit its stride, but I doubt you'll see his carries increase too much barring a Portis injury.You guys are missing the point here, intentionally I hope.The question is why is Betts looking so bad this year as opposed to last year when he looked much better, regardless if he's not the starter now.
Not many are missing the point. This was covered extensively by everyone pre-season in the Portis/Betts threads. Where is NYGiants I wonder????You guys are missing the point here, intentionally I hope.The question is why is Betts looking so bad this year as opposed to last year when he looked much better, regardless if he's not the starter now.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
fsufan said:
He's not worthless, anything could happen to Portis (of course anything could happen to Betts too). But most likely he's fairly worthless compared to where you drafted him. Figure you drafted him 6-8 rounds, that's a starter or prime backup (as in NFL starter) and you simply won't get a starter for him. Try and package him to the Portis owner for something or just sit on him if you have the space. If Portis has any type of injury news, no matter what, try and deal him while there's hype. Next year, remember not to draft handcuffs too early.
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
Currently 60% of the offensive line is different than what Betts was running behind last year - Jansen and perhaps Thomas are lost for the season, and Dockery left in free agency. Only their LT Samuels and their C Rabach are still there and healthy. They ran left twice in a row at the end of the Giants game because that's currently the strength of their line. I personally think that a healthy Portis would have averaged over 5 yards per carry the second half of last year given how well that line was blocking, but we'll never know. What's being exposed about Betts is that he's a good RB at decisively hitting the hole he's assigned to hit as he showed last year, but as between him and Portis, Portis is far more adept at seeing alternative holes and cutting to hit them, so Portis is more successful right now ad libbing as needed.He's no longer running through aircraft carrier sized holes like he was towards the end of last season. His YPC may increase as the season progresses as the running game hit its stride, but I doubt you'll see his carries increase too much barring a Portis injury.You guys are missing the point here, intentionally I hope.The question is why is Betts looking so bad this year as opposed to last year when he looked much better, regardless if he's not the starter now.
This guy knows what's up... good analysis, could not have said it better myself.
eagles2007
Footballguy
I think there was an expectation from things said in the offseason (and the contract Betts got) that he was going to get carries. Enough to be a fillin option, someone who you could roster and spot start if you were short.
Dynasty-wise, does any of this help? His money goes through the roof in 2008 and beyond. With Betts signed for a more cap friendly 5 year extension.
August 29, 2007, 18:50
Redskins :: RB
RB Portis Thinks 2007 May Be Last With Redskins
Ryan O'Halloran, David Elfin, Washington Post - [Full Article]
After a 2006 season that ended early because of shoulder and hand injuries, the emergence of Ladell Betts and a forgettable preseason in which knee tendonitis has kept him sidelined for four weeks, Portis admits this season may be his last with the Redskins. "The world forgot about me this year," Portis said. "I have to make it work this year or I'll be out of here and probably be doing these same interviews somewhere else."
Portis, Clinton
View Stats at Players Inc Site
Player Info
Draft Info
RB (#)
Year: 2002
Washington Redskins
Round: 2
Gainesville, FL
Position: 19
Salary History
2002 225000.00
2003 300000.00
2004 380000.00
2005 455000.00
2006 585000.00
2007 595000.00
2008 5,048,500.00
2009 6,627,000.00
2010 7,690,500.00
2011 8,754,000.00
Betts, Ladell
View Stats at Players Inc Site
Player Info
Draft Info
RB (#)
Year: 2002
Washington Redskins
Round: 2
Blue Springs, MO
Position: 24
Salary History
2002 225000.00
2003 300000.00
2004 380000.00
2005 455000.00
2006 585000.00
2007 595000.00
2008 605,000.00
2009 900,000.00
2010 1,650,000.00
2011 1,400,000.00
2012 1,400,000.00
August 29, 2007, 18:50
Redskins :: RB
RB Portis Thinks 2007 May Be Last With Redskins
Ryan O'Halloran, David Elfin, Washington Post - [Full Article]
After a 2006 season that ended early because of shoulder and hand injuries, the emergence of Ladell Betts and a forgettable preseason in which knee tendonitis has kept him sidelined for four weeks, Portis admits this season may be his last with the Redskins. "The world forgot about me this year," Portis said. "I have to make it work this year or I'll be out of here and probably be doing these same interviews somewhere else."
Portis, Clinton
View Stats at Players Inc Site
Player Info
Draft Info
RB (#)
Year: 2002
Washington Redskins
Round: 2
Gainesville, FL
Position: 19
Salary History
2002 225000.00
2003 300000.00
2004 380000.00
2005 455000.00
2006 585000.00
2007 595000.00
2008 5,048,500.00
2009 6,627,000.00
2010 7,690,500.00
2011 8,754,000.00
Betts, Ladell
View Stats at Players Inc Site
Player Info
Draft Info
RB (#)
Year: 2002
Washington Redskins
Round: 2
Blue Springs, MO
Position: 24
Salary History
2002 225000.00
2003 300000.00
2004 380000.00
2005 455000.00
2006 585000.00
2007 595000.00
2008 605,000.00
2009 900,000.00
2010 1,650,000.00
2011 1,400,000.00
2012 1,400,000.00
j ViLLA x PE
Footballguy
he's a waste of space on my bench, i only had him cuz i had portis but traded him.
Now the owner doesnt even want him cuz if portis goes down, i'm already stacked at RB with bush, larry johnson, and mcgahee.
no trade value.
Now the owner doesnt even want him cuz if portis goes down, i'm already stacked at RB with bush, larry johnson, and mcgahee.
no trade value.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
eom>hi.
Three weeks ago called. It wants its thread back.
Three weeks ago called. It wants its thread back.
I think it is even less than that. With the injuries on the offensive line Betts would be a marginal #2 at best.
