Big 10-How can a great confrence produce such crap NFL RB's? (1 Viewer)

[comfortably numb]

Big 10 is regarded as one of the best confrences year in and year out.

Commanding the some of the best recruits every year.

Yet, their constant DUD running backs can't be denied.

I have done some basic research to find their 1st RD picks over the last decade

1995 Ki Janna Carter (Penn State)

1995 Tyrone Wheatly (Michigan)

1996 Tim Biakahbituka (Michigan)

1996 Eddie George (Ohio State) (The diamond in the rough)

1997 NONE

1998 Curtis Enis (Penn State)

1999 NONE

2000 Ron Dayne (Wisconsin)

2001 Michael Bennett (Wisconsin)

2002 TJ Duckett (Michigan State)

2003 Larry Johnson (Penn State) -May have landed in a better spot for a RB than Denver

2004 Chris Perry (Michigan)

2005 NONE

2006 Laurence Maroney (Minnesota) Could be the real deal-too early to tell.

Eddie George was the anomoly here so far.

Larry Johnson could be huge, last year was Faulk like, and this year he is off to a good start.

Bennett, never really stepped up, but could be in a great situation as well if LJ gets hurt

Perry, haven't seen anything on him

Maroney, good stuff so far

So,

Would you hesitate to use a high draft pick on a highly touted RB coming from the Big 10?

I can say that in the last 5 years I have stayed away from RB's to come from the BIG 10.

What is it with the big time RB' in the BIG 10 that do not produce in the NFL.

Running style?

Play calling?

Can the same be said for every confrence when the percentages are analyzed?

Do these players get OVERRATED for playing in a big school?

Your thoughts?

 

[Eviloutsider]

I can tell you for atleast one school, UW, that greating lines and coaching really help.

 

[redman]

Even Eddie George was not all that great as measured by ypc, though I have a lot of respect for his toughness and durability.

I agree, though, that it's odd that a conference that produces so many other good offensive skill position players in the NFL seems to consistently come up short at RB.

 

[LHUCKS]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major.

The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.

I've been saying this for years.

 

[comfortably numb]

Even Eddie George was not all that great as measured by ypc, though I have a lot of respect for his toughness and durability. I agree, though, that it's odd that a conference that produces so many other good offensive skill position players in the NFL seems to consistently come up short at RB.

Your YPG refrence is true, not impressive.With that said the guy will probably be a HOF'er and was considered one of the best for about an 8 year period. So i will say he is the exception.

 

[joffer]

this won't end well

 

[comfortably numb]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

 

[LHUCKS]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

 

[wannabee]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years. Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

 

[jurb26]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Sounds like you have your Conferences confused. The Pac 10 is the only major conference that seems to fit that discription. W/o USC Pac 10 = mid major.

 

[jurb26]

Baylor

Colorado

Iowa State

Kansas

Kansas State

Missouri

Nebraska

Oklahoma

Oklahoma State

Texas

Texas A&M

Texas Tech

Illinois

Indiana

Iowa

Michigan

Michigan State

Minnesota

Northwestern

Ohio State

Penn State

Purdue

Wisconsin

Arizona

Arizona State

California

Oregon

Oregon State

Stanford

UCLA

USC

Washington

Washington State

 

[pinequick]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major.

The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.

I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years.

Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon (provided, of course, the referees have been duly "compensated")

 

[Spartans Rule]

I'd say its a combination of OL and running style.

Teams like Michigan and Wisconsin build great O-Lines and run power backs behind them. It works in college because they can overmatch the opponents, but those backs are too one-dimensional in the NFL.

 

[Bobcat10]

BaylorColoradoIowa StateKansasKansas StateMissouriNebraskaOklahomaOklahoma StateTexasTexas A&MTexas Tech IllinoisIndianaIowaMichiganMichigan StateMinnesotaNorthwesternOhio StatePenn StatePurdueWisconsinArizonaArizona StateCaliforniaOregonOregon StateStanfordUCLAUSCWashingtonWashington State

 

[Bobcat10]

Anyone care to do some basic research from 1995-today from other conferences?

 

[Foosball God]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

 

[jurb26]

Nebraska

Oklahoma

Texas

Texas Tech

Iowa

Michigan

Michigan State

Minnesota

Ohio State

Penn State

Wisconsin

Arizona State

California

Oregon

USC

Ummm, I think I know who I'm taking last here.

 

[LHUCKS]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years. Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

 

[*****]

Here are all the first round RBs taken between 1996 and 2004 (what I had easy access to).

2004

24 Steven Jackson Rams Running back Oregon State

26 Chris Perry Bengals Running back Michigan

30 Kevin Jones Lions Running back Virginia Tech

2003

23 Willis McGahee Bills Running back Miami

27 Larry Johnson Chiefs Running back Penn State

2002

16 William Green Browns Running back Boston College

18 T.J. Duckett Falcons Running back Michigan State

2001

5 LaDainian Chargers Running back Texas Christian

Tomlinson

23 Deuce McAllister Saints Running back Mississippi

27 Michael Bennett Vikings Running back Wisconsin

2000

5 Jamal Lewis Ravens Running back Tennessee

7 Thomas Jones Cardinals Running back Virginia

11 Ron Dayne Giants Running back Wisconsin

19 Shaun Alexander Seahawks Running back Alabama

31 Trung Canidate Rams Running back Arizona

1999

4 Edgerrin James Colts Running back Miami

5 Ricky Williams Saints Running back Texas

1998

5 Curtis Enis Bears Running back Penn State

18 Robert Edwards Patriots Running back Georgia

29 John Avery Dolphins Running back Mississippi

1997

12 Warrick Dunn buccaneers Running back Florida State

23 Antowain Smith Bills Running back Houston

1996

6 Lawrence Phillips Rams Running back Nebraska

8 Tim Biakabutuka Panthers Running back Michigan

14 Eddie George Oilers Running back Ohio State

This routine about the Big 10 is a little old. There are probably more Big 10 backs on this list than any other but there are plenty of first round flops to go around. Even guys like Warrick Dunn and Thomas Jones--who improved over the course their careers with other teams--don't exactly reflect great draft value.

The duds on this list seem to spread across all conference. The Big 10's list is just longer because they've had more picks. Unless the back went to Miami, picking RBs looks fairly hit or miss.

 

[gump]

Interesting point.

It has to have something to do with the huge OL the Big 10 produces, and the lack of athletic DL the Big 10 produces.

When I think of OL...I think of guys like Hutchinson, Backus, Runyan, Pace, etc...all from the Big 10.

When I think of DL...I think of guys like Sapp, Reggie, Henderson, Stroud, etc...all from the South.

I didn't research...Maybe that is a false statement...but it sure seems that way.

 

[Bobcat10]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years. Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

You are out of your mind.

 

[pinequick]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major.

The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.

I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years. Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

Are they bringing their own refs?

 

[LHUCKS]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major.

The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.

I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years.

Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon (provided, of course, the referees have been duly "compensated")

look at the turnover margin...Oregon dominated the Sooners. Additonally, Washington gave Oklahoma everything they could handle in their own house and Washington is a mediocre Pac10 team at best. LOL at the Sooners having trouble with the Huskies.

 

[LHUCKS]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years. Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

You are out of your mind.

I also forgot to mention that USC would run the table in both conferences as well...they trounced Nebraska in Lincoln and Nebraska is the 2nd or 3rd best team in the Big12.

 

[pinequick]

look at the turnover margin...Oregon dominated the Sooners. Washington gave Oklahoma everything they could handle in their own house and Washington is a mediocre Pac10 team at best.

Oh, turnovers aren't part of the game?You can try to spin it any way you want, and I know that this PAC 10 garbage is your schtick so I'll leave you to it, but Oklahoma went into Eugene and beat the Ducks fair and square. That the refs gave the game to Oregon is another matter.And I friggin' hate Oklahoma.

 

[Foosball God]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years. Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

 

[pinequick]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major.

The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.

I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years. Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

You are out of your mind.

I also forgot to mention that USC would run the table in both conferences as well...they trounced Nebraska in Lincoln and Nebraska is the 2nd or 3rd best team in the Big12.

Did you jump into your time machine to the year 2007?

 

[Bobcat10]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years. Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

You are out of your mind.

I also forgot to mention that USC would run the table in both conferences as well...they trounced Nebraska in Lincoln and Nebraska is the 2nd or 3rd best team in the Big12.

I should have been more clear...you are absolutely incorrect about the big 10. But you've been told that before, so why rehash? Oregon couldn't possibly run the table in the Big12 because they lost to Oklahoma, just admit it.How about we stick to the thread topic here?

 

[jurb26]

I also forgot to mention that USC would run the table in both conferences as well...they trounced Nebraska in Lincoln and Nebraska is the 2nd or 3rd best team in the Big12.

USC might actually find it more difficult to run the talbe year in and year out when there are actually teams that can play physical ball week in and week out. Let alone the fact that everyone else in the Pac 10 would struggle to be even .500 in the other majors.

 

[DolphinsPhan]

So how come all of the QBs from the PAC 10 stink???

Akili Smith

Joey Harrington

Aaron Rodges

Kyle Boller

AJ Feeley

Still waiting on Leinert...but I think he will eventually be great.

 

[Bobcat10]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major.

The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.

I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years. Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

You are out of your mind.

I also forgot to mention that USC would run the table in both conferences as well...they trounced Nebraska in Lincoln and Nebraska is the 2nd or 3rd best team in the Big12.

Did you jump into your time machine to the year 2007?

Sure looked like Southern Cal-I-A to me.

 

[Spartans Rule]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years. Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

The idea of Oregon beating Michigan OR Ohio State this season, much less both, is laughable.

 

[snapperhead]

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.

Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

You are talking about the same Oregon ranked 14th in the AP poll

ranked below Ohio State, Michigan and Iowa. ?

It's all a moot point since this really can't be proven either way !!

 

[Bobcat10]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years. Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

The idea of Oregon beating Michigan OR Ohio State this season, much less both, is laughable.

Last year too, IIRC. Oh how great it would have been to see Ohio St piss on a Pac school in the Fiesta....although beating up ND sure made up for it.

 

[OneEastRiver]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

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[Spartans Rule]

So how come all of the QBs from the PAC 10 stink??? Akili SmithJoey HarringtonAaron RodgesKyle BollerAJ FeeleyStill waiting on Leinert...but I think he will eventually be great.

Because it's easy to rack up passing stats playing WAC-style football against Pac-10 "defenses". That doesn't make those quarterbacks good.Also, add Ryan Leaf to your list.

 

[*****]

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

I think it's the wrong month to say they'd run the table when you consider Oregon needed extra help to beat Oklahoma and Cal got smoked by Tennessee. I live in Berkeley and go to Cal games. I haven't seen anything on the field which suggests that Cal could beat Michigan or Penn State or Ohio State or Michigan State.Admittedly, I haven't seen enough of Oregon to comment on how they'd do against Ohio State and Michigan, but both seem to be playing pretty darn good football. Saying they would run the table in the Big 10 (never having a let down week) is probably overstating the case by quite a bit.

 

[LHUCKS]

look at the turnover margin...Oregon dominated the Sooners. Washington gave Oklahoma everything they could handle in their own house and Washington is a mediocre Pac10 team at best.

Oh, turnovers aren't part of the game?You can try to spin it any way you want, and I know that this PAC 10 garbage is your schtick so I'll leave you to it, but Oklahoma went into Eugene and beat the Ducks fair and square. That the refs gave the game to Oregon is another matter.And I friggin' hate Oklahoma.

As discussed in the FFA, Oklahoma had a huge non-call when the wr had a blatant pushoff in the endzone resulting in a TD.Oregon outplayed them and any objective observer knows this...regardless of the score and regardless of any missed calls/penalties.

 

[sholditch]

Because it's not the SEC

(Jamal Lewis, Shaun Alexander, Caddy, Ronnie Brown, Rudi Johnson, Stephen Davis, Dom Davis, Fred Taylor...)

 

[Aaronur]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years. Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

So that makes Cal one of the top 5 teams this year, where would you rank Tenn.

 

[pinequick]

look at the turnover margin...Oregon dominated the Sooners. Washington gave Oklahoma everything they could handle in their own house and Washington is a mediocre Pac10 team at best.

Oh, turnovers aren't part of the game?You can try to spin it any way you want, and I know that this PAC 10 garbage is your schtick so I'll leave you to it, but Oklahoma went into Eugene and beat the Ducks fair and square. That the refs gave the game to Oregon is another matter.And I friggin' hate Oklahoma.

As discussed in the FFA, Oklahoma had a huge non-call when the wr had a blatant pushoff in the endzone resulting in a TD.Oregon outplayed them and any objective observer knows this...regardless of the score and regardless of any missed calls/penalties.

I'm guessing that Texas/USC game still stings. . .

 

[John Mamula]

I also forgot to mention that USC would run the table in both conferences as well...they trounced Nebraska in Lincoln and Nebraska is the 2nd or 3rd best team in the Big12.

USC might actually find it more difficult to run the talbe year in and year out when there are actually teams that can play physical ball week in and week out. Let alone the fact that everyone else in the Pac 10 would struggle to be even .500 in the other majors.

You are equally wrong as LHUCKS is.The difference between the major conferences is minimal, despite what biases each fan has for their own conference.

 

[snapperhead]

look at the turnover margin...Oregon dominated the Sooners. Washington gave Oklahoma everything they could handle in their own house and Washington is a mediocre Pac10 team at best.

Oh, turnovers aren't part of the game?You can try to spin it any way you want, and I know that this PAC 10 garbage is your schtick so I'll leave you to it, but Oklahoma went into Eugene and beat the Ducks fair and square. That the refs gave the game to Oregon is another matter.

And I friggin' hate Oklahoma.

As discussed in the FFA, Oklahoma had a huge non-call when the wr had a blatant pushoff in the endzone resulting in a TD.Oregon outplayed them and any objective subjective observer knows this...regardless of the score and regardless of any missed calls/penalties.

fixed !!

 

[jurb26]

look at the turnover margin...Oregon dominated the Sooners. Washington gave Oklahoma everything they could handle in their own house and Washington is a mediocre Pac10 team at best.

Oh, turnovers aren't part of the game?You can try to spin it any way you want, and I know that this PAC 10 garbage is your schtick so I'll leave you to it, but Oklahoma went into Eugene and beat the Ducks fair and square. That the refs gave the game to Oregon is another matter.And I friggin' hate Oklahoma.

As discussed in the FFA, Oklahoma had a huge non-call when the wr had a blatant pushoff in the endzone resulting in a TD.Oregon outplayed them and any objective observer knows this...regardless of the score and regardless of any missed calls/penalties.

I am not an objective observer and freely admit that. I can't stand Oklahoma! I root for them to loose every week. That team just gets under my skin for some reason. I watched the game and can say w/o a single doubt. There is no way they should have lost.... as and as it may have made me.

 

[LHUCKS]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years. Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

The idea of Oregon beating Michigan OR Ohio State this season, much less both, is laughable.

I'm very high on Oregon and the national media is actually underestimating them immensely. The referee debacle covered up just how much Oregon dominated the Sooners. Oregon has an excellent chance to beat USC this year...that's how good they are. Ohio State would definitely give them a game but I'd take Oregon at a neutral site. As for Michigan...not a chance.

 

[jurb26]

I also forgot to mention that USC would run the table in both conferences as well...they trounced Nebraska in Lincoln and Nebraska is the 2nd or 3rd best team in the Big12.

USC might actually find it more difficult to run the talbe year in and year out when there are actually teams that can play physical ball week in and week out. Let alone the fact that everyone else in the Pac 10 would struggle to be even .500 in the other majors.

You are equally wrong as LHUCKS is.The difference between the major conferences is minimal, despite what biases each fan has for their own conference.

What other Pac 10 school has had even moderate success outside of USC lately? Outside of the Pac 10 that is.

 

[joffer]

@ anyone trying to discuss college football intelligently with hucks

 

[wadegarrett]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

:jealous:

 

[John Mamula]

look at the turnover margin...Oregon dominated the Sooners. Washington gave Oklahoma everything they could handle in their own house and Washington is a mediocre Pac10 team at best.

Oh, turnovers aren't part of the game?You can try to spin it any way you want, and I know that this PAC 10 garbage is your schtick so I'll leave you to it, but Oklahoma went into Eugene and beat the Ducks fair and square. That the refs gave the game to Oregon is another matter.And I friggin' hate Oklahoma.

As discussed in the FFA, Oklahoma had a huge non-call when the wr had a blatant pushoff in the endzone resulting in a TD.Oregon outplayed them and any objective observer knows this...regardless of the score and regardless of any missed calls/penalties.

I am not an objective observer and freely admit that. I can't stand Oklahoma! I root for them to loose every week. That team just gets under my skin for some reason. I watched the game and can say w/o a single doubt. There is no way they should have lost.... as and as it may have made me.

Why shouldn't they have lost? They missed a FG to win it. When you have an opportunity to make a play on the last play of the game and you do not execute, you can't look back at referee calls, despite the myopic outcries of the Oklahoma fans.

 

[LHUCKS]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years. Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

So that makes Cal one of the top 5 teams this year, where would you rank Tenn.

Cal got rocked after traveling across the continent to face an underrated football team...it was a bad game. Everybody knows this. It doesn't mean Cal is not a good football team.BTW, Tennessee is not in the Big12 or Big10.