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Big Ben, the real deal? (1 Viewer)

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Let me start by saying I'm NOT a Steelers fan. I own Big Ben in only 2 out of 13 leagues. But I was REALLY impressed with what I saw last week. Its easy to forget that despite 2 horrific accidents/surgeries last year, Ben still threw for 3500 yards. Now with an offense that is supposedly throwing more, taking big shots down field, am I nuts to think that Ben could throw for 3800-4000 yards and 25-30 TDs this year?

I am seriously thinking about benching McNabb for Big Ben next week in a big money league....

Thoughts?

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I think he's a good play this week vs a banged up Buffalo D. We'll see how he looks the rest of the season. But I'm expecting a good year.

 
Add the FF points that Charlie Batch put up last year to what Ben put up last year, and you get more points than Brady had last year. Sprinkle in the accident, the appendectomy, and the Super Bowl swoon, a more pass-friendly offensive system, and you get one heckuva value for a QB you could pick up in the 10th round.

Nice article here that gives much more detail and reasoning...

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2007/0...st_girasia1.php

 
13 leagues? Is that considered "a lot" or "the norm" around here?

But to stay on topic, he looks much better than last year (granted, he's played the Browns thus far).

 
13 leagues? Is that considered "a lot" or "the norm" around here?

But to stay on topic, he looks much better than last year (granted, he's played the Browns thus far).
I could never play in that many leagues. You could never be happy about anyone having a big day because for sure they'd be beating you in at least 1 of your leagues.
 
13 leagues? Is that considered "a lot" or "the norm" around here?

But to stay on topic, he looks much better than last year (granted, he's played the Browns thus far).
I could never play in that many leagues. You could never be happy about anyone having a big day because for sure they'd be beating you in at least 1 of your leagues.
HijackI played in three leagues last year, but now I am in four. I can tell a big difference between 3 and 4 leagues. At first thought I agreed with you in that it would be hard to be happy for any one player most of the time. But on second thought, being in that many leagues might allow you to just watch the NFL like a regular fan, then check your fantasy scores after the games are done. :shrug:

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I have Big Ben in one of my leagues, but I was hoping to get him in two of my other leagues. I think he's going to be top a 10 QB easily.

 
...I was REALLY impressed with what I saw last week...
I didn't watch the game, so just curious about what REALLY impressed you? I know he had the 4 TDs, which is obviously impressive, but besides that he was 12 for 23 and 161 yards. 52% completion is not very impressive.Did he really look that good?Right now I'm more in the sell high camp with Big Ben.
 
...I was REALLY impressed with what I saw last week...
I didn't watch the game, so just curious about what REALLY impressed you? I know he had the 4 TDs, which is obviously impressive, but besides that he was 12 for 23 and 161 yards. 52% completion is not very impressive.Did he really look that good?Right now I'm more in the sell high camp with Big Ben.
From memory: he was like zero for something passing for an entire quarter, but that included several drops by his receivers, but also some missed throws. Take that for what it's worth.
 
His poise, his touch on the deep ball, and his arm strength. And I'm also very impressed/excited about Holmes. Add in the best down field blocking WR in Ward, and you have a recipe for a lot of big plays I think...

 
13 leagues? Is that considered "a lot" or "the norm" around here?

But to stay on topic, he looks much better than last year (granted, he's played the Browns thus far).
I could never play in that many leagues. You could never be happy about anyone having a big day because for sure they'd be beating you in at least 1 of your leagues.
Actually, funny you mention that in this thread. While it is somewhat true no matter what, i usually find a handful of players i know i will get in every draft. This year two of those players are Big Ben and Santonio Holmes. I have little doubt that both players will have a BIG season, and both could've been had after the 6th round of most drafts. Alot of what i like about them has already been mentioned, but i should also point out they have a very friendly pass schedule.
 
Yes, he's the real deal. He threw like crazy in college but hasn't really gotten the chance to show off everything he has.

I thought it was going to be last year but he entered the season banged up and never entirely got on track.

He will have his most productive fantasy year to date.

 
I watched the game. There were SEVERAL dropped passes. He played better than that completion % makes it look.
This is good information for those who didn't see it. Thanks.BTW--Ben was VERY good last year when he wasn't hurt, fantasy-wise. Combine that with a healthy start, and we could be looking at top-5 material.
 
Combine that with a healthy start, and we could be looking at top-5 material.
Not singling you out, but this year there seem to be a dozen guys as Top 5 material.
I think we all have a different version of this year's top 5, is the problem.Ben's in mine. :banned:
The only reason I disagree with you Keys as far as top 5 goes is because I think Pittsburgh's defense will limit him. I think if he was on another team, a weaker defensive team he'd be a better fantasy QB.I always said the same thing about Troy Aikman. He played on a good defensive team with the leading rusher in NFL history. But I'll go to my grave saying if that guy played on a passing team that didn't have a very good defense,,,,,he would have been awesome in terms of stats.I think Ben's as good as Romo or Kitna....it's just that I think Dallas and Detroit's D will force them to score more and even though Pittsburgh should pass more than they have in the past, they still have a solid running game.
 
I just traded Tony Romo for Marvin Harrison, so Big Ben is now my only QB. I'm all in as well.
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Well, I saw you post that trade possibility earlier. I don't think there's anyone that could fault you for making that trade.Harrison for Romo is an awesome trade.But I will say this....you looked stacked at WR already and I don't like you just having Ben to rely on. I know you have to have some other backup plan. I don't believe you're ALL IN, I think you kept a chip. I think you'll make a trade with someone on your roster to try and find another QB.
 
13 leagues? Is that considered "a lot" or "the norm" around here?

But to stay on topic, he looks much better than last year (granted, he's played the Browns thus far).
I could never play in that many leagues. You could never be happy about anyone having a big day because for sure they'd be beating you in at least 1 of your leagues.
HijackI played in three leagues last year, but now I am in four. I can tell a big difference between 3 and 4 leagues. At first thought I agreed with you in that it would be hard to be happy for any one player most of the time. But on second thought, being in that many leagues might allow you to just watch the NFL like a regular fan, then check your fantasy scores after the games are done. :bag:

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Exactly. Sorry to continue the hijack.I have Ben in virtually every one of my leagues. In most he is technically my back up, although I started him in week 1 in quite a few due to the nice matchup. If by 'real deal' you mean will he continue to put up legit starter numbers, I say yes. If you mean, will he put up 4 TDs every week and put my team on his back to the fantasy bowl, I say nay.

I'm not seeing top 5 without a run on injuries at the position, but if you drafted a guy in the 10th that only averages 1.5 points less per game than Carson Palmer, who cares. The rest of your team is better than that guy that used the 2nd or 3rd round pick on the stud QB.

 
I think Big Ben is phony, but with the new coach I guess it's possible he could have a good turnaround.

Who did they play again? Cleveland? :lmao:

 
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I think that you can easily see Big Ben finishing in the Top 5 QB's.

He is a born leader and broke the record for W-L compared with any other rookie QB in history. He knows how to throw, he knows how to win. Prior to last year he had well over a 60% completion ratio and last year was just under [59.7%]. He also a 1.7 TD to INT ratio his first two years. Last year it came crashing down ... Last year plain and simple he should not have played as early as he did. Don't know who made the mistake [ben, the Brass, or both ...].

We have to take into consideration that he was playing Cleveland last week, but it looked like he was back functioning as he did prior to 2006 and there are many additional positive things. TE, Miller saw the ball 4 times and call all 4; one for a 22 yard TD. A 2nd TE caught a TD pass in the Red Zone, Holmes is a great addition now that he appears to be focused on football.

A little known fact is that the Steelers have been among the top teams in the NFL teams each of the last 6 years with passing plays of 20 yards or greater [3 of these years under Ben's reign]. 2006-10th, 2005-10th, 2004-14th, 2003-7th, 2002-3rd, 2001-10th. This should continue as this past week there were 4 of them! 40 and a TD to Holmes: 22 and 24 to Ward: 22 and a TD to Miller. Throw in that Parker had two rushes of over 20 yards and that is a lot of FIRE POWER in 1 week.

 
A little known fact is that the Steelers have been among the top teams in the NFL teams each of the last 6 years with passing plays of 20 yards or greater [3 of these years under Ben's reign]. 2006-10th, 2005-10th, 2004-14th, 2003-7th, 2002-3rd, 2001-10th. This should continue as this past week there were 4 of them! 40 and a TD to Holmes: 22 and 24 to Ward: 22 and a TD to Miller. Throw in that Parker had two rushes of over 20 yards and that is a lot of FIRE POWER in 1 week.
Good data, but they were playing Cleveland!
 
He's my #1 guy except weeks 6 (bye) 7 (Denver Bailey/Bly as Corners = too risky) 9/17 (Baltimore). Grab Delhomme for 6/9/17 for favorable matchups for Carolina and Garcia for week #7.

 
A little known fact is that the Steelers have been among the top teams in the NFL teams each of the last 6 years with passing plays of 20 yards or greater [3 of these years under Ben's reign]. 2006-10th, 2005-10th, 2004-14th, 2003-7th, 2002-3rd, 2001-10th. This should continue as this past week there were 4 of them! 40 and a TD to Holmes: 22 and 24 to Ward: 22 and a TD to Miller. Throw in that Parker had two rushes of over 20 yards and that is a lot of FIRE POWER in 1 week.
Good data, but they were playing Cleveland!
I can't wait to see the Pitt/Cincy games this year. The scoreboards should be set for triple digits.
 
A little known fact is that the Steelers have been among the top teams in the NFL teams each of the last 6 years with passing plays of 20 yards or greater [3 of these years under Ben's reign]. 2006-10th, 2005-10th, 2004-14th, 2003-7th, 2002-3rd, 2001-10th. This should continue as this past week there were 4 of them! 40 and a TD to Holmes: 22 and 24 to Ward: 22 and a TD to Miller. Throw in that Parker had two rushes of over 20 yards and that is a lot of FIRE POWER in 1 week.
Good data, but they were playing Cleveland!
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=1562Big" Ben Roethlisberger is the most visible, most widely recognized mystery in all of sports.

Roethlisberger, who played the first half of Pittsburgh’s 27-13 preseason win over Philadelphia last night, has already established himself as one of the game’s great winners in a three-year career wrapped in both glory and tumult. It’s been a remarkably newsworthy span for a kid who’s just 25 years old and who has appeared in just 41 NFL games (40 starts).

But few fans truly appreciate the historic productivity that has marked his short career. Like many of the game’s great winners – the Bart Starrs and Tom Bradys of the football world – Roethlisberger is often seen as something of a pigskin perfunctory: a "system" quarterback who simply “manages” the game for his talent-laden teams.

The chorus of Cold, Hard Football Facts sing quite a different tune: Roethlisberger, at this very early point in his career, is poised to join the short list of most ruthlessly efficient quarterbacks in NFL history.

And as history has shown, ruthlessly efficient quarterbacks win more games and sport more rings than the glitzy gunslingers coveted by the faux-fan fantasy-football and video-game crowd. (Amazing that so many "system" quarterbacks wear so many rings, isn't it? Maybe a story for another day.)

The Team Study

The bottom line for quarterbacks is winning and losing, and Roethlisberger’s team accomplishments are fairly well documented. His Steelers went a remarkable 15-1 and reached the AFC title game in his rookie season, an unprecedented pair of achievements for a first-year quarterback. In his sophomore year, his Steelers won three straight road playoff games and Roethlisberger became the youngest-ever Super Bowl-winning quarterback.

Then, like a Soapbox Derby racer under the weight of an overfed CHFF reader, the wheels seemed to spin off the Roethlisberger wagon last year: An offseason motorcycle accident, followed by an unexpected appendectomy, led to a textbook Super Bowl hangover season. Roethlisberger tossed a Favre-esque 23 INTs, while Pittsburgh bumbled its way through an 8-8 season.

Still, like a Gilbert Stuart portrait of George Washington, the body of work is impressive, if incomplete.

For those of you keeping score at home, that’s one Super Bowl title and a 34-12 (.739) record, including playoffs, for a player who won’t turn 26 until March. Among active quarterbacks who have played more than one full season, only three-time champion Brady has won at a more prolific clip (82-26; .759). (See a full list of QBs' regular-season winning percentage here.)

That’s the well-documented side of Roethlisberger. Now here’s the side of him that could make history. Here are ...

The Cold, Hard Football Facts

Roethlisberger’s 87.9 passer rating stands as the ninth-best in NFL history – one spot behind Brady (88.4) and one spot ahead of Drew Brees (87.5), two quarterbacks you routinely hear mentioned among the game’s elite.

With just 1,032 career pass attempts, Roethlisberger isn’t officially on the all-time passer rating list just yet. The NFL requires 1,500 pass attempts for consideration. But it’s quite possible he’ll reach that mark by the end of the 2007 season. Roethlisberger attemped 469 passes last year. (See the whole list of all-time passer rating leaders here.)

More importantly, though, is Roethlisberger’s amazing 8.25 yards per pass attempt. Topping 8.0 YPA is virtually unheard of at the pro level.

In fact, his amazing 8.25 YPA stands as third-best in NFL history, behind just two of the greatest quarterbacks ever: Otto Graham and Sid Luckman. These are no ordinary Ottos and Sids who Roethlisberger finds himself among. In 18 years of NFL play, Graham and Luckman appeared in 11 championship games, winning seven of those title tilts.

Just five quarterbacks in NFL history topped 8.0 YPA for their career. There are no Swatches on this list of NFL record-setters, just the sweet dulcet chimes of Rolexes, Bulovas and Big Bens.

TOP 5 ALL-TIME PASSING YPA LEADERS

Player (Years) Yards Att. YPA Title Games Titles

Otto Graham (1950-55) 13,499 1,565 8.63 6 3

Sid Luckman (1939-50) 14,686 1,744 8.42 5 4

Ben Roethlisberger (2004-present) 8,519 1,032 8.25 1 1

Kurt Warner (1998-present) 20,591 2,508 8.21 2 1

Norm Van Brocklin (1949-60) 23,611 2,895 8.16 5 2

- Among players with a minimum 40 NFL games and 1,000 pass attempts

- Bold indicates HOF quarterbacks

To put this list in prosaic terms, among all the quarterbacks who have taken a snap in the NFL over the past 50 years, none have carved up opposing defenses with their passing arm as efficiently as Roethlisberger.

As loyal Cold, Hard Football Facts readers (Hi Cousin Cooter!) are aware, we put a lot of stock in passing YPA. It is, in fact, one of our all-important Quality Stats.

Is it the be all and end all of football stats? No. There is no such thing.

But we would argue, vigorously, that no individual stat in all of sports is easier to comprehend and yet has a more direct correlation to winning football games. We would not only make this argument vigorously, we would win this argument.

And, right now, at this point in his career, Roethlisberger is among the very best in the history of football at matriculating the ball down the field via the pass.

The company he keeps is fairly impressive.

Graham is inarguably the most successful quarterback in NFL history – he led the Browns to an unmatched six straight NFL title game appearances, winning three of them, from 1950 to 1955. He did this after leading the Browns to four straight titles in the four-year existence of the All-American Football Conference (1946-49). Put most simply, Graham was the keystone of the greatest dynasty in pro football history. (His 8.63 YPA includes only his NFL career. If we include his AAFC numbers, it balloons to 8.98 YPA: 23,584 yards on just 2,626 pass attempts.)

In light of these unprecedented accomplishments, Graham's history-leading passing YPA makes as much sense as beer and pizza.

Luckman, meanwhile, all but invented the modern quarterback position. He was a running back at Columbia, and the first pick in the 1939 draft, who was then converted to a T-formation quarterback in Chicago by Papa Bear Halas. In his second season, Luckman led the Bears to a 73-0 win over Washington in the 1940 title game. It remains the biggest blowout in NFL history and one of the most pivotal games ever, for it ushered in the era of the modern offense, with a quarterback taking the bulk of direct snaps from center.

Luckman's numbers might have been inflated by playing in the midst of the talent-depleted World War II years. But by winning championships both before (1940) and after the war (1946), he proved more than a wartime fluke. More than a half century after he last played, Luckman remains the all-time leading passer in Bears history.

An Amazing List of Performers

Roethlisberger's company is impressive even if we expand the list.

TOP 15 ALL-TIME PASSING YPA LEADERS

Player (Years) Yards Att. YPA Title Games Titles

Otto Graham (1950-55) 13,499 1,565 8.63 6 3

Sid Luckman (1939-50) 14,686 1,744 8.42 5 4

Ben Roethlisberger (2004-present) 8,519 1,032 8.25 1 1

Kurt Warner (1998-present) 20,591 2,508 8.21 2 1

Norm Van Brocklin (1949-60) 23,611 2,895 8.16 5 2

Steve Young (1985-99) 33,124 4,149 7.98 1 1

Ed Brown (1954-65) 15,600 1,987 7.85 1 0

Bart Starr (1956-71) 24,718 3,149 7.85 6 5

Bob Berry (1965-75) 9,197 1,173 7.84 0 0

Earl Morrall (1956-76) 20,809 2,689 7.74 3* 2*

Marc Bulger (2000-present) 16,233 2,106 7.71 0 0

Daunte Culpepper (1999-present) 21,097 2,743 7.69 0 0

Peyton Manning (1998-present) 37,586 4,890 7.68 1 1

Len Dawson (1957-75) 28,711 3,741 7.67 2 1

Roger Staubach (1969-79) 22,700 2,958 7.67 4 2

- Among players with a minimum 40 NFL games and 1,000 pass attempts

- Bold indicates HOF quarterbacks

* Includes only those championship seasons in which Morrall played a key role for his respective teams (1968 Colts, 1970 Colts, 1972 Dolphins)

All in all, it's a fairly amazing list of performers.

• All but contemporary quarterback Culpepper have suited up for at least one NFL championship game or Super Bowl.

• These 15 all-time YPA leaders won 23 championships.

• 7 of the 10 retired YPA leaders are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

• Young, No. 6 on the list, is No. 1 all-time in passer rating (96.8).

• Starr, No. 8 on the list, is the only quarterback to lead his team to five NFL championships.

Even the players who seem like they don't belong have interesting stories. Ed Brown, who died earlier this month, is all but forgotten among modern football fans. Yet in 1951, he was the quarterback of arguably the greatest college football team of all time, the University of San Francisco Dons. The 1951 Dons went undefeated and sent three players on to the Pro Football Hall of Fame: Ollie Matson, Bob St. Clair and Gino Marchetti. Brown was a two-time Pro Bowler who led the Bears to the 1956 NFL championship game, where they lost to the Giants.

Bob Berry is probably the only name that really doesn't seem like it belongs. He spent most of his career as a backup to Fran Tarkenton in Minnesota, and suited up for Super Bowls VIII and IX, both losses. The few opportunities he did get to play, he was obviously an efficient performer. Playing for head coach Van Brocklin, he made a Pro Bowl with Atlanta in 1969.

The list is important because it pretty much spans the entire history of the modern offensive era of pro football. The pan-historic nature of the list indicates that YPA is better than passer rating as a way to compare quarterbacks of different eras. Passer rating has consistently grown higher over the years. But passing YPA, with the exception of some spikes here and there, most notably in the early 1960s, has remained fairly constant throughout NFL history (around 6.7 YPA or 6.8 YPA is average league-wide). Basically, modern passers put a premium on short, high-percentage passes. This has the result of reducing the number of INTs and boosting completion percentage, both of which have sparked the increase in passer rating among modern quarterbacks.

The consistent growth of passer rating has been well chronicled by the Cold, Hard Football Facts. For proof of passer rating's futility as a comparative measure of quarterbacks throughout history, simply look at that list of the 20 all-time passer rating leaders. You'll see that every single quarterback on the list played in the Live Ball Era (1978-present). Fifteen of them are still active.

• As mentioned above, the 15 all-time YPA leaders won 23 NFL championships.

• The 15 all-time passer rating leaders won 11 NFL championships, with Joe Montana and Brady accounting for seven of the 11.

• The 15 all-time passing yardage leaders also won 11 NFL championships, with Montana and Unitas accounting for seven of the 11.

Big Ben’s Future

The great and productive winners had one thing in common: almost all were closely aligned with a single Hall of Fame coach. Graham had Paul Brown; Sid Luckman had Papa Bear; Starr had Vince Lombardi.

Morrall's great years were spent under the tutelage of Don Shula. Dawson prospered under Hank Stram. Staubach led Tom Landry's Cowboys. Manning has spent most of his career playing for future Hall of Famer Tony Dungy.

Roethlisberger, however, suddenly finds himself at a career tipping point. Future Hall of Fame coach Bill Cowher split town and, in all likelihood, the 50-year-old coach will land another NFL coaching gig somewhere in the future.

So Big Ben's career is now, in many respects, at the mercy of 35-year-old rookie coach Mike Tomlin.

If Roethlisberger responds over the next few seasons with the vintage efficient performance that marked his first two years in the league, we may be able to talk about him as one of the all-time great quarterbacks.

If he does not respond, we may be looking at a player whose time has come ... and gone.

 
A little known fact is that the Steelers have been among the top teams in the NFL teams each of the last 6 years with passing plays of 20 yards or greater [3 of these years under Ben's reign]. 2006-10th, 2005-10th, 2004-14th, 2003-7th, 2002-3rd, 2001-10th. This should continue as this past week there were 4 of them! 40 and a TD to Holmes: 22 and 24 to Ward: 22 and a TD to Miller. Throw in that Parker had two rushes of over 20 yards and that is a lot of FIRE POWER in 1 week.
Good data, but they were playing Cleveland!
I can't wait to see the Pitt/Cincy games this year. The scoreboards should be set for triple digits.
Not if the Steelers D has anything to say about it.... :kicksrock:
 
A little known fact is that the Steelers have been among the top teams in the NFL teams each of the last 6 years with passing plays of 20 yards or greater [3 of these years under Ben's reign]. 2006-10th, 2005-10th, 2004-14th, 2003-7th, 2002-3rd, 2001-10th. This should continue as this past week there were 4 of them! 40 and a TD to Holmes: 22 and 24 to Ward: 22 and a TD to Miller. Throw in that Parker had two rushes of over 20 yards and that is a lot of FIRE POWER in 1 week.
Good data, but they were playing Cleveland!
I can't wait to see the Pitt/Cincy games this year. The scoreboards should be set for triple digits.
Not if the Steelers D has anything to say about it.... :thumbup:
100 - 0 Steelers over the Bungles down?
 
A little known fact is that the Steelers have been among the top teams in the NFL teams each of the last 6 years with passing plays of 20 yards or greater [3 of these years under Ben's reign]. 2006-10th, 2005-10th, 2004-14th, 2003-7th, 2002-3rd, 2001-10th. This should continue as this past week there were 4 of them! 40 and a TD to Holmes: 22 and 24 to Ward: 22 and a TD to Miller. Throw in that Parker had two rushes of over 20 yards and that is a lot of FIRE POWER in 1 week.
Good data, but they were playing Cleveland!
I can't wait to see the Pitt/Cincy games this year. The scoreboards should be set for triple digits.
Not if the Steelers D has anything to say about it.... :unsure:
100 - 0 Steelers over the Bungles down?
:lmao: :excited:
 
I just traded Tony Romo for Marvin Harrison, so Big Ben is now my only QB. I'm all in as well.
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Well, I saw you post that trade possibility earlier. I don't think there's anyone that could fault you for making that trade.Harrison for Romo is an awesome trade.But I will say this....you looked stacked at WR already and I don't like you just having Ben to rely on. I know you have to have some other backup plan. I don't believe you're ALL IN, I think you kept a chip. I think you'll make a trade with someone on your roster to try and find another QB.
I offered Reggie Wayne to the Brady owner in an even swap. Also offered him Cadillac and Driver for LJ, hoping he'll panic after LJ sucks it out vs. Chicago again this week. I also have a waiver claim in on Garrard, IRing Terry Glenn, so I'll be OK at QB no matter what.
 
I snagged Ben as my third QB and the 18th QB off the board overall. (the others Manning, Losman). I played Ben in week 1 over Manning in Dallas which didn't work out in my favor but I am looking at the Steelers schedule and thinking I have no problem plugging him as my starter unless of course he has a collossal colapse which I don't forsee happening.

The best thing about taking Steelers skill players this year is their second Baltimore game is week 17 when most playoff seasons have been completed.

 
Big Ben and Romo in a start 2QB keeper! Monster week 1. I look for both to be top 7-8. Maybe one can sneak in to the top 4-5.

 
I'm pretty optimistic. I grabbed him in a QBBC with Leinart and after Week 1 am glad I did.

Obv. 4 TDs a week is not gonna be the norm, but I expect some very consistent production out of Ben. A lot of 250/2 days with the occasional monster game thrown in. Just what you want out of a mid-round QB.

I think he'll finish in the top 5 and will be on a lot of championship rosters.

 
I just traded Tony Romo for Marvin Harrison, so Big Ben is now my only QB. I'm all in as well.
Oh man, that is highway robbery. Sadly, none of the guys in the leagues I have played in over the years have been dumb enough to make trades like that.
Funny thing is, the guy that I dealt with is the defending and 4-time league champ. And he offered the trade to me - I was trying to deal for Adrian Peterson, dangling Roethlisberger as bait and he came back with the Harrison-Romo 1-for-1 swap. I now have Harrison, Steve Smith, Wayne, and Driver (my #1, #2, #5, and #12 receivers) in a start 3.
 
I think he'll finish in the top 5 and will be on a lot of championship rosters.
I hope you're right. I have Big Ben and Romo in a start 1QB/Flex at any position league......starting both :blackdot: Pit schedule, excluding Week 17, is BUF, SF, at AZ, SEA, bye, at DEN, at CIN, BAL, CLE, at NYJ, MIA, CIN, at NE, JAX, at STLIMO, there's only 3 really tough games in there..... BAL, at DEN, and at NE. So PIT have a really good schedule for Big Ben to do really well.
 
I just traded Tony Romo for Marvin Harrison, so Big Ben is now my only QB. I'm all in as well.
Oh man, that is highway robbery. Sadly, none of the guys in the leagues I have played in over the years have been dumb enough to make trades like that.
Funny thing is, the guy that I dealt with is the defending and 4-time league champ. And he offered the trade to me - I was trying to deal for Adrian Peterson, dangling Roethlisberger as bait and he came back with the Harrison-Romo 1-for-1 swap. I now have Harrison, Steve Smith, Wayne, and Driver (my #1, #2, #5, and #12 receivers) in a start 3.
Jeez, your WRs are stacked. Who are your RBs, and how many teams are in this league?
 
I am very high on Big Ben and the Steelers Offense this year.

The fully healed Ben , the spread offense, a great WR in Ward and a very rapidly developing WR in Holmes... add in FWP and a cup cake schedule that only includes Baltimore once in fantasy .... he should be money..!!!

Hell, I am so high on Big Ben I draft him and Cutler knowing they both have the same bye week in one league/

 

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