Big Ten Basketball 2022/2023 - Return to Power (3 Viewers)

[Uruk-Hai]

Good game by the Terps tonight. Backcourt was very good, Stone and Carter looked good, even Layman showed up.

Nice to see them play a good 40 minutes. Sounds like they jumped on NW right out of the gate and never let them climb back in it.

Rutgahs up next

 

[RCon]

Rutgers, oof. Hope Trimble is OK. Sort of felt like he could have played if it was needed, but maybe that's wishful thinking.

Maryland wasn't as sharp from deep as I would have liked, especially Nickens and Brantley. Dodd didn't look good. Other than that, can't find much to criticize.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Good luck today, Badger fans. Wouldn't surprise me to see Wisconsin win this one, especially with Melo's back still nagging him.

 

[RCon]

Well, that was rough. Terps could have put it away, but Carter and Sulaimon both missed the front end of 1-and-1s down the stretch. Badgers played great defense for the last five minutes; wouldn't let Trimble or Sulaimon drive. Happ can play.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Eesh....it's a win?

 

[RCon]

I'll go with... Conference road win is a conference road win. I'll take it.

 

[sho nuff]

Wisconsin's free throw shooting is just awful. Much of their shooting is.

 

[Garrett]

Eesh....it's a win?

That's a tough venue for a road win.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Yeah, you guys are right. That IS a tough place to play and, I don't care if Wisconsin is having a "down" year or not, it's a good win there. Missed FTs had me pissed before.

 

[The Kerminator]

WI has lost two games by 2 points and two games by 1 point and then today's late shot. Not as bad as their record for a very young team that will improve as the season goes along

 

[Ratbert]

Go TERPS!

 

[The General]

Hoosiers not very nice to the Buckeyes today.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Eesh....it's a win?

That's a tough venue for a road win.

It's easier to win in the Elite Eight than it is to win at the Kohl Center, at least for MSU.

 

[urbanhack]

Well bump Purdue down to the bottom of the league. Don't know what Painter is doing, but he's getting out coached. Swanigan needs to play less minutes and maybe they will decide to start playing defense. Team is just getting out played and out hustled. Neat.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Glad DV didn't have any setbacks. Still going 12 deep most every game. All this experience off the bench should be beneficial for the March-April stretch run.

Go GREEN

 

[whoknew]

Huge win at home for Michigan over Maryland. And without LeVert. They needed that.

 

[RCon]

That was unusual. Trimble was not good. Sulaimon was not good. Carter, Stone, and Layman played well. Nickens can't hit a shot; ice cold for weeks now. I think Brantley must have taken a dump on Turgeon's car or something; he looked great against Princeton and has barely seen the floor since.

Conference road games are tough, I guess.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

That was unusual. Trimble was not good. Sulaimon was not good. Carter, Stone, and Layman played well. Nickens can't hit a shot; ice cold for weeks now. I think Brantley must have taken a dump on Turgeon's car or something; he looked great against Princeton and has barely seen the floor since.

Conference road games are tough, I guess.

Probably best I missed that game, the way it sounds.

 

[jon_mx]

Was not expecting a Michigan win. But at home anything is possible. These are the kind of wins that are critical during tourney selection.

 

[whoknew]

That was unusual. Trimble was not good. Sulaimon was not good. Carter, Stone, and Layman played well. Nickens can't hit a shot; ice cold for weeks now. I think Brantley must have taken a dump on Turgeon's car or something; he looked great against Princeton and has barely seen the floor since.

Conference road games are tough, I guess.

That Diamond Stone - he's pretty special. He's obviously big and strong and powerful. But I didn't realize what a nice shot he has.

 

[RCon]

That was unusual. Trimble was not good. Sulaimon was not good. Carter, Stone, and Layman played well. Nickens can't hit a shot; ice cold for weeks now. I think Brantley must have taken a dump on Turgeon's car or something; he looked great against Princeton and has barely seen the floor since.

Conference road games are tough, I guess.

That Diamond Stone - he's pretty special. He's obviously big and strong and powerful. But I didn't realize what a nice shot he has.

Yup. I've been saying for a while now that his defense need work, but he already had elite big man skills on offense.Hope he sticks around another year.

 

[RCon]

That was unusual. Trimble was not good. Sulaimon was not good. Carter, Stone, and Layman played well. Nickens can't hit a shot; ice cold for weeks now. I think Brantley must have taken a dump on Turgeon's car or something; he looked great against Princeton and has barely seen the floor since.

Conference road games are tough, I guess.

Probably best I missed that game, the way it sounds.

It was nice to see Varun Ram get double digit minutes, and his defense is excellent. However, when the opposition knows it only had to guard four players on offense, it can be tough to score. I think Turgeon was trying to send a message about hustling, defense, and fundamentals.

 

[whoknew]

So Michigan has problems - the same problems they've had since Jordan Morgan left. They don't have a good big man (though maybe Donnel is getting better?).

But man can they shoot. They've a lot of shooters so usually if one or even two guys are having an off night, there's someone else to pick them up. And, of course, Duncan Robinson rarely has a bad shooting night.

They aren't good enough to win the Big Ten - especially without LeVert - but I don't think 11 wins is out of the question.

 

[James Daulton]

That was unusual. Trimble was not good. Sulaimon was not good. Carter, Stone, and Layman played well. Nickens can't hit a shot; ice cold for weeks now. I think Brantley must have taken a dump on Turgeon's car or something; he looked great against Princeton and has barely seen the floor since.

Conference road games are tough, I guess.

Probably best I missed that game, the way it sounds.

Sounds a lot like the Carolina game. I didn't see the game but apparently Michigan was really hot from 3, and Melo got in foul trouble. To lose by 3 to a hot shooting, good team, on their floor, with your best player having a really bad night is not something I'm worried about. Now, if this were the tourney, we'd be out, but hopefully the team continues to gell and will learn from games like this.

 

[whoknew]

That was unusual. Trimble was not good. Sulaimon was not good. Carter, Stone, and Layman played well. Nickens can't hit a shot; ice cold for weeks now. I think Brantley must have taken a dump on Turgeon's car or something; he looked great against Princeton and has barely seen the floor since.

Conference road games are tough, I guess.

Probably best I missed that game, the way it sounds.

Sounds a lot like the Carolina game. I didn't see the game but apparently Michigan was really hot from 3, and Melo got in foul trouble. To lose by 3 to a hot shooting, good team, on their floor, with your best player having a really bad night is not something I'm worried about. Now, if this were the tourney, we'd be out, but hopefully the team continues to gell and will learn from games like this.

Not to pick nits - but Michigan was 14 for 29 from 3. For the season - as a team - they are shooting 43% from 3. So it was a good game but not a scorching hot game. They've 6 guys who shoot over 40% and two who shoot over 50%.

ETA: Michigan was actually 12 for 29, not 14 for 29. So they were actually a little below their season average.

 

[James Daulton]

That was unusual. Trimble was not good. Sulaimon was not good. Carter, Stone, and Layman played well. Nickens can't hit a shot; ice cold for weeks now. I think Brantley must have taken a dump on Turgeon's car or something; he looked great against Princeton and has barely seen the floor since.

Conference road games are tough, I guess.

Probably best I missed that game, the way it sounds.

Sounds a lot like the Carolina game. I didn't see the game but apparently Michigan was really hot from 3, and Melo got in foul trouble. To lose by 3 to a hot shooting, good team, on their floor, with your best player having a really bad night is not something I'm worried about. Now, if this were the tourney, we'd be out, but hopefully the team continues to gell and will learn from games like this.

Not to pick nits - but Michigan was 14 for 29 from 3. For the season - as a team - they are shooting 43% from 3. So it was a good game but not a scorching hot game. They've 6 guys who shoot over 40% and two who shoot over 50%.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Michigan, they deserved the win. I didn't see the game but I heard on the radio that they started off really hot and put the Terps in a hole early. Even if they come back down to earth some later in the game, the early hole makes a huge difference. And Maryland was only 6-24 from 3, way less than their season average.

As a Terp fan, I don't want to see a loss; however, given all the factors I mentioned and losing by only 3 tells me this team can be competitive even without their A or B game.

 

[Frostillicus]

Gophers looking solid.

 

[whoknew]

That was unusual. Trimble was not good. Sulaimon was not good. Carter, Stone, and Layman played well. Nickens can't hit a shot; ice cold for weeks now. I think Brantley must have taken a dump on Turgeon's car or something; he looked great against Princeton and has barely seen the floor since.

Conference road games are tough, I guess.

Probably best I missed that game, the way it sounds.

Sounds a lot like the Carolina game. I didn't see the game but apparently Michigan was really hot from 3, and Melo got in foul trouble. To lose by 3 to a hot shooting, good team, on their floor, with your best player having a really bad night is not something I'm worried about. Now, if this were the tourney, we'd be out, but hopefully the team continues to gell and will learn from games like this.

Not to pick nits - but Michigan was 14 for 29 from 3. For the season - as a team - they are shooting 43% from 3. So it was a good game but not a scorching hot game. They've 6 guys who shoot over 40% and two who shoot over 50%.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Michigan, they deserved the win. I didn't see the game but I heard on the radio that they started off really hot and put the Terps in a hole early. Even if they come back down to earth some later in the game, the early hole makes a huge difference. And Maryland was only 6-24 from 3, way less than their season average.

As a Terp fan, I don't want to see a loss; however, given all the factors I mentioned and losing by only 3 tells me this team can be competitive even without their A or B game.

Understood. I think the Big Ten is pretty wide open between MSU, MD, Iowa, Purdue, and Indiana. Those are all good teams. Michigan is probably a step below those 5.

On a non-Big Ten note, I was just looking at three point stats and Villanova shoots more 3 pointers per game than any other big conference team - 27 per game. Yet they only make them at a 31.5% clip. Seems like a strange combination.

 

[urbanhack]

Purdue is no lock to remain in the top of the conference. Losing the 17 point lead at home to Iowa and then losing to Illinois have a lot of fans questioning Painter, the system and how hard this team is playing. They can still come back and prove people wrong, but they don't look that great right now.

 

[RCon]

That was unusual. Trimble was not good. Sulaimon was not good. Carter, Stone, and Layman played well. Nickens can't hit a shot; ice cold for weeks now. I think Brantley must have taken a dump on Turgeon's car or something; he looked great against Princeton and has barely seen the floor since.

Conference road games are tough, I guess.

Probably best I missed that game, the way it sounds.

Sounds a lot like the Carolina game. I didn't see the game but apparently Michigan was really hot from 3, and Melo got in foul trouble. To lose by 3 to a hot shooting, good team, on their floor, with your best player having a really bad night is not something I'm worried about. Now, if this were the tourney, we'd be out, but hopefully the team continues to gell and will learn from games like this.

Not to pick nits - but Michigan was 14 for 29 from 3. For the season - as a team - they are shooting 43% from 3. So it was a good game but not a scorching hot game. They've 6 guys who shoot over 40% and two who shoot over 50%.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Michigan, they deserved the win. I didn't see the game but I heard on the radio that they started off really hot and put the Terps in a hole early. Even if they come back down to earth some later in the game, the early hole makes a huge difference. And Maryland was only 6-24 from 3, way less than their season average.

As a Terp fan, I don't want to see a loss; however, given all the factors I mentioned and losing by only 3 tells me this team can be competitive even without their A or B game.

Make no mistake, the Terps should have been able to win this game. They came back from a 13 point deficit to tie it, with plenty of time left, and had multiple opportunities to take the lead. Each time, they took an ill-advised three instead of feeding the post, something that had been working well.

The most disturbing things, to me, are/were:

1. Nickens can't seem to hit a shot. He's now 4 of 26 on threes since Christmas.

2. None of the guards were able to penetrate the lane against Michigan.

3. Maryland's rebounding is poor, especially considering the height advantage they typically have.

4. The rotation has basically been shortened to 7 players at this point. It's clear that Turgeon doesn't trust Brantley or Cekovsky to play important minutes.

On the bright side, Layman played his best game all year last night.

 

[whoknew]

That was unusual. Trimble was not good. Sulaimon was not good. Carter, Stone, and Layman played well. Nickens can't hit a shot; ice cold for weeks now. I think Brantley must have taken a dump on Turgeon's car or something; he looked great against Princeton and has barely seen the floor since.

Conference road games are tough, I guess.

Probably best I missed that game, the way it sounds.

Sounds a lot like the Carolina game. I didn't see the game but apparently Michigan was really hot from 3, and Melo got in foul trouble. To lose by 3 to a hot shooting, good team, on their floor, with your best player having a really bad night is not something I'm worried about. Now, if this were the tourney, we'd be out, but hopefully the team continues to gell and will learn from games like this.

Not to pick nits - but Michigan was 14 for 29 from 3. For the season - as a team - they are shooting 43% from 3. So it was a good game but not a scorching hot game. They've 6 guys who shoot over 40% and two who shoot over 50%.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Michigan, they deserved the win. I didn't see the game but I heard on the radio that they started off really hot and put the Terps in a hole early. Even if they come back down to earth some later in the game, the early hole makes a huge difference. And Maryland was only 6-24 from 3, way less than their season average.

As a Terp fan, I don't want to see a loss; however, given all the factors I mentioned and losing by only 3 tells me this team can be competitive even without their A or B game.

Make no mistake, the Terps should have been able to win this game. They came back from a 13 point deficit to tie it, with plenty of time left, and had multiple opportunities to take the lead. Each time, they took an ill-advised three instead of feeding the post, something that had been working well.

The most disturbing things, to me, are/were:

1. Nickens can't seem to hit a shot. He's now 4 of 26 on threes since Christmas.

2. None of the guards were able to penetrate the lane against Michigan.

3. Maryland's rebounding is poor, especially considering the height advantage they typically have.

4. The rotation has basically been shortened to 7 players at this point. It's clear that Turgeon doesn't trust Brantley or Cekovsky to play important minutes.

On the bright side, Layman played his best game all year last night.

I couldn't figure out why MD ever shot a 3 pointer. It was almost impossible for us to stop Diamond. Seemed like every possession should've gone through him.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Not sure why Davis doesn't play more for MSU - unless they are hiding him come conference tournament play and the tourney. This guy is a potential lottery pick and is great but Costello (senior) and others are getting the minutes.

Curious to see how they bounce back vs Iowa tonight. Valentine has been back and this time it's home.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Revenge at the Bres' tonight. Should be a much different outcome then what was 2 weeks ago in Iowa City. That was just a bad trip all around, for many reasons.



As far as Davis playing more goes, many State fans including myself have had the same question. Shilling has actually played more 5 than Davis so far. When Davis is in, his potential is through the roof. Some think Izzo is shielding him from being a one and done as much as possible. Personally I think he'll stay around at least through next season. He needs to develop some solid game 10-15 feet from the basket and bulk up, like AP did.

 

[whoknew]

Revenge at the Bres' tonight. Should be a much different outcome then what was 2 weeks ago in Iowa City. That was just a bad trip all around, for many reasons.



As far as Davis playing more goes, many State fans including myself have had the same question. Shilling has actually played more 5 than Davis so far. When Davis is in, his potential is through the roof. Some think Izzo is shielding him from being a one and done as much as possible. Personally I think he'll stay around at least through next season. He needs to develop some solid game 10-15 feet from the basket and bulk up, like AP did.

So - will Iowa hold on? Unlike versus Iowa State?

 

[Harris]

Revenge at the Bres' tonight. Should be a much different outcome then what was 2 weeks ago in Iowa City. That was just a bad trip all around, for many reasons.



As far as Davis playing more goes, many State fans including myself have had the same question. Shilling has actually played more 5 than Davis so far. When Davis is in, his potential is through the roof. Some think Izzo is shielding him from being a one and done as much as possible. Personally I think he'll stay around at least through next season. He needs to develop some solid game 10-15 feet from the basket and bulk up, like AP did.

So - will Iowa hold on? Unlike versus Iowa State?

yesssssssssss finally Fran has these guys playing their best ball since he's been in IC. it's been a process and last year was close but this is the big year for them

 

[whoknew]

So Iowa is now 4-0 with a sweep of Michigan State and a win over Purdue. That's impressive.

Not looking forward to Michigan going there Sunday.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Great game by IOWA. State was out of it from the get go. Absolutely no offensive rhythm. Two losses so far. Both by a very good team. Long season. Again. Good game Hawkeyes. Seems your team is for real.

 

[RaiderBones]

Revenge at the Bres' tonight. Should be a much different outcome then what was 2 weeks ago in Iowa City. That was just a bad trip all around, for many reasons.



As far as Davis playing more goes, many State fans including myself have had the same question. Shilling has actually played more 5 than Davis so far. When Davis is in, his potential is through the roof. Some think Izzo is shielding him from being a one and done as much as possible. Personally I think he'll stay around at least through next season. He needs to develop some solid game 10-15 feet from the basket and bulk up, like AP did.

You were saying?

Iowa has looked really good since their close loss to Iowa State. This is Iowas first win in Michigan State since 1993. It's a very tough place to win at for sure.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Revenge at the Bres' tonight. Should be a much different outcome then what was 2 weeks ago in Iowa City. That was just a bad trip all around, for many reasons.



As far as Davis playing more goes, many State fans including myself have had the same question. Shilling has actually played more 5 than Davis so far. When Davis is in, his potential is through the roof. Some think Izzo is shielding him from being a one and done as much as possible. Personally I think he'll stay around at least through next season. He needs to develop some solid game 10-15 feet from the basket and bulk up, like AP did.

You were saying?

Iowa has looked really good since their close loss to Iowa State. This is Iowas first win in Michigan State since 1993. It's a very tough place to win at for sure.

Must have missed my post right above yours....here ya go:

Great game by IOWA. State was out of it from the get go. Absolutely no offensive rhythm. Two losses so far. Both by a very good team. Long season. Again. Good game Hawkeye. Seems your team is for real.



Izzo is still working out the kinks with this team. Still going 12 deep most every game, still no set rotation. Seems this will be the case until these guys start figuring out their definite roles. 16-2, I can live with that for now.

 

[whoknew]

Revenge at the Bres' tonight. Should be a much different outcome then what was 2 weeks ago in Iowa City. That was just a bad trip all around, for many reasons.



As far as Davis playing more goes, many State fans including myself have had the same question. Shilling has actually played more 5 than Davis so far. When Davis is in, his potential is through the roof. Some think Izzo is shielding him from being a one and done as much as possible. Personally I think he'll stay around at least through next season. He needs to develop some solid game 10-15 feet from the basket and bulk up, like AP did.

You were saying?

Iowa has looked really good since their close loss to Iowa State. This is Iowas first win in Michigan State since 1993. It's a very tough place to win at for sure.

Must have missed my post right above yours....here ya go:

Great game by IOWA. State was out of it from the get go. Absolutely no offensive rhythm. Two losses so far. Both by a very good team. Long season. Again. Good game Hawkeye. Seems your team is for real.



Izzo is still working out the kinks with this team. Still going 12 deep most every game, still no set rotation. Seems this will be the case until these guys start figuring out their definite roles. 16-2, I can live with that for now.

It is a long season but this obviously puts MSU in a tough position versus Iowa. Going to make it quite difficult for MSU to win the Big Ten.

 

[shady inc]

Nice win hawkeyes! Couldn't stand calhoun on the broadcast.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Revenge at the Bres' tonight. Should be a much different outcome then what was 2 weeks ago in Iowa City. That was just a bad trip all around, for many reasons.



As far as Davis playing more goes, many State fans including myself have had the same question. Shilling has actually played more 5 than Davis so far. When Davis is in, his potential is through the roof. Some think Izzo is shielding him from being a one and done as much as possible. Personally I think he'll stay around at least through next season. He needs to develop some solid game 10-15 feet from the basket and bulk up, like AP did.

You were saying?

Iowa has looked really good since their close loss to Iowa State. This is Iowas first win in Michigan State since 1993. It's a very tough place to win at for sure.

Must have missed my post right above yours....here ya go:

Great game by IOWA. State was out of it from the get go. Absolutely no offensive rhythm. Two losses so far. Both by a very good team. Long season. Again. Good game Hawkeye. Seems your team is for real.



Izzo is still working out the kinks with this team. Still going 12 deep most every game, still no set rotation. Seems this will be the case until these guys start figuring out their definite roles. 16-2, I can live with that for now.

It is a long season but this obviously puts MSU in a tough position versus Iowa. Going to make it quite difficult for MSU to win the Big Ten.

meh. Long way to go.

 

[whoknew]

Revenge at the Bres' tonight. Should be a much different outcome then what was 2 weeks ago in Iowa City. That was just a bad trip all around, for many reasons.



As far as Davis playing more goes, many State fans including myself have had the same question. Shilling has actually played more 5 than Davis so far. When Davis is in, his potential is through the roof. Some think Izzo is shielding him from being a one and done as much as possible. Personally I think he'll stay around at least through next season. He needs to develop some solid game 10-15 feet from the basket and bulk up, like AP did.

You were saying?

Iowa has looked really good since their close loss to Iowa State. This is Iowas first win in Michigan State since 1993. It's a very tough place to win at for sure.

Must have missed my post right above yours....here ya go:

Great game by IOWA. State was out of it from the get go. Absolutely no offensive rhythm. Two losses so far. Both by a very good team. Long season. Again. Good game Hawkeye. Seems your team is for real.



Izzo is still working out the kinks with this team. Still going 12 deep most every game, still no set rotation. Seems this will be the case until these guys start figuring out their definite roles. 16-2, I can live with that for now.

It is a long season but this obviously puts MSU in a tough position versus Iowa. Going to make it quite difficult for MSU to win the Big Ten.

meh. Long way to go.

I mean, I hear what you are saying. But now Iowa has to lose 3 more games than MSU the rest of the way. Could that happen? Of course. But with the way Iowa is playing it doesn't leave MSU much wiggle room.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Revenge at the Bres' tonight. Should be a much different outcome then what was 2 weeks ago in Iowa City. That was just a bad trip all around, for many reasons.



As far as Davis playing more goes, many State fans including myself have had the same question. Shilling has actually played more 5 than Davis so far. When Davis is in, his potential is through the roof. Some think Izzo is shielding him from being a one and done as much as possible. Personally I think he'll stay around at least through next season. He needs to develop some solid game 10-15 feet from the basket and bulk up, like AP did.

You were saying?

Iowa has looked really good since their close loss to Iowa State. This is Iowas first win in Michigan State since 1993. It's a very tough place to win at for sure.

Must have missed my post right above yours....here ya go:

Great game by IOWA. State was out of it from the get go. Absolutely no offensive rhythm. Two losses so far. Both by a very good team. Long season. Again. Good game Hawkeye. Seems your team is for real.



Izzo is still working out the kinks with this team. Still going 12 deep most every game, still no set rotation. Seems this will be the case until these guys start figuring out their definite roles. 16-2, I can live with that for now.

It is a long season but this obviously puts MSU in a tough position versus Iowa. Going to make it quite difficult for MSU to win the Big Ten.

meh. Long way to go.

I mean, I hear what you are saying. But now Iowa has to lose 3 more games than MSU the rest of the way. Could that happen? Of course. But with the way Iowa is playing it doesn't leave MSU much wiggle room.

Agree there's no room for error from here on out. I think Iowa is much better than anyone really thought. They hit the 3 at a very high clip and play very good defense.

State's success runs right through Bryn and DV. They were downright awful, which translated last night to a pitiful performance all around. I mean 95% of the time in their offensive zone last night, State looked very very lost, even with DV and Bryn in. The clock wound down and they'd take a #### shot and not get a rebound. Also, I believe Iowa scored 17-3 points off of turnovers. not going to win many games, even at home, throwing the ball away (I think there was one point were they literally threw the ball into the hands of the Iowa defender about 5 consecutive trips down the floor, ridiculous). That's not typical for this team. But when Bryn and DV are off most of the night, it seems it's going to be an uphill battle the rest of the night. One thing Izzo really needs to do is get Deyonta in for more minutes. Kid has wicked talent. Schilling needs to go back to the bench, even though he has been solid, he doesn't have the scoring potential and inside presence that DD has. DD is still very raw, but more minutes will definitely help any weaknesses he has in his game and his potential is through the roof. He's much further along than AP was as a freshman.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Davis still not getting the PT he deserves.

I trust coach to figure out the rotation and DV is still getting back into it. Need the B10 to start beating up on eachother a bit and hopefully coach will have his lineup figured out.

 

[whoknew]

So Izzo is really still playing a 12 man rotation? What's up with that? When is he going to pare it down.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

So Izzo is really still playing a 12 man rotation? What's up with that? When is he going to pare it down.

He played 13 last night. 10 had more than 8 minutes.

Of the 16 on the roster only Ahrens, Van Dyk and Roy aren't seeing significant (contributing) minutes.

 

[Spartans Rule]

I used to get really into the Big Ten title race, but by now I've kind of accepted the fact that Izzo just doesn't care about it. He's coaching for March, and if that means cutting the minutes of key players to develop the 11th and 12th man, so be it.

It often makes for a frustrating January and February, but I think most MSU fans will gladly accept the tradeoff.

 

[RaiderBones]

Revenge at the Bres' tonight. Should be a much different outcome then what was 2 weeks ago in Iowa City. That was just a bad trip all around, for many reasons.



As far as Davis playing more goes, many State fans including myself have had the same question. Shilling has actually played more 5 than Davis so far. When Davis is in, his potential is through the roof. Some think Izzo is shielding him from being a one and done as much as possible. Personally I think he'll stay around at least through next season. He needs to develop some solid game 10-15 feet from the basket and bulk up, like AP did.

You were saying?

Iowa has looked really good since their close loss to Iowa State. This is Iowas first win in Michigan State since 1993. It's a very tough place to win at for sure.

Must have missed my post right above yours....here ya go:

Great game by IOWA. State was out of it from the get go. Absolutely no offensive rhythm. Two losses so far. Both by a very good team. Long season. Again. Good game Hawkeye. Seems your team is for real.



Izzo is still working out the kinks with this team. Still going 12 deep most every game, still no set rotation. Seems this will be the case until these guys start figuring out their definite roles. 16-2, I can live with that for now.

It is a long season but this obviously puts MSU in a tough position versus Iowa. Going to make it quite difficult for MSU to win the Big Ten.

meh. Long way to go.

I mean, I hear what you are saying. But now Iowa has to lose 3 more games than MSU the rest of the way. Could that happen? Of course. But with the way Iowa is playing it doesn't leave MSU much wiggle room.

Agree there's no room for error from here on out. I think Iowa is much better than anyone really thought. They hit the 3 at a very high clip and play very good defense.

State's success runs right through Bryn and DV. They were downright awful, which translated last night to a pitiful performance all around. I mean 95% of the time in their offensive zone last night, State looked very very lost, even with DV and Bryn in. The clock wound down and they'd take a #### shot and not get a rebound. Also, I believe Iowa scored 17-3 points off of turnovers. not going to win many games, even at home, throwing the ball away (I think there was one point were they literally threw the ball into the hands of the Iowa defender about 5 consecutive trips down the floor, ridiculous). That's not typical for this team. But when Bryn and DV are off most of the night, it seems it's going to be an uphill battle the rest of the night. One thing Izzo really needs to do is get Deyonta in for more minutes. Kid has wicked talent. Schilling needs to go back to the bench, even though he has been solid, he doesn't have the scoring potential and inside presence that DD has. DD is still very raw, but more minutes will definitely help any weaknesses he has in his game and his potential is through the roof. He's much further along than AP was as a freshman.

I agree with the bolded statement. I know as a Hawkeye fan I didn't expect them to be playing this good. I thought they would have a good season but not this good so far.

 

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I used to get really into the Big Ten title race, but by now I've kind of accepted the fact that Izzo just doesn't care about it. He's coaching for March, and if that means cutting the minutes of key players to develop the 11th and 12th man, so be it.

It often makes for a frustrating January and February, but I think most MSU fans will gladly accept the tradeoff.

It's not an "either/or".

Winning your conference (regular season, conference tourney, or both) will help you in seeding in the NCAAs (or get you there in the first place).

Michigan State is really, really good but I can guarantee you Izzo ain't sandbagging to the point of losing games just to develop his 11th & 12th because he doesn't care about the B1G title. He's not throwing away regular season games. I could see a little in conference tourneys if you've got a banged-up team (or if you're Roy Williams).

Trust me, if Izzo has to play his 11th and/or 12th any meaningful minutes in March, he knows he's in trouble.