Bill Musgrave and Joe Webb (1 Viewer)

[BuckeyeChaos]

Bill Musgrave is largely credited for Matt Ryan's development in ATL. He is now the OC for Minn and tasked with determining if Joe Webb can be the answer. What does the board think happens and what is Webb's upside?

I personally liked what I saw enough to predict about 3000 yds passing 18-20 TDs, 700yds rushing with 5 rush TDs maybe 15 ints or so.

 

[Fensalk]

STRENGTHS

Webb has ideal height and bulk for the next level. Has very good speed for the quarterback position and can make plays outside the pocket. Is a durable, versatile performer who could contribute at other spots. Possesses excellent arm strength. Can drive the ball downfield and make all the throws. Shows good accuracy at times on the deep ball.

WEAKNESSES

Decision-making must improve. Forces the ball into dangerous spots. Does not scan the field or move through his progressions. Likely to struggle consistently making reads against NFL schemes. Must improve footwork and drop mechanics. Does not exhibit enough accuracy and can become wild. Does not have a quick release and throwing mechanics need polish.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/joe...bs:tab-analysis

 

[Couch Potato]

In my opinion you should forget Webb as a viable starter candidate. HC Frazier has said on at least two occasions since the end of the season that, in effect, their franchise QB is not currently on the roster and must be found (don't ask me for links; if interested you can just as easily do the research and find them as I can go back to find them again). Webb projects as no more than a backup, and I've dropped him from any rosters I had him on. Disagree if you like but I think Webb is a wasted roster spot at this point.

 

[griff321]

In my opinion you should forget Webb as a viable starter candidate. HC Frazier has said on at least two occasions since the end of the season that, in effect, their franchise QB is not currently on the roster and must be found (don't ask me for links; if interested you can just as easily do the research and find them as I can go back to find them again). Webb projects as no more than a backup, and I've dropped him from any rosters I had him on. Disagree if you like but I think Webb is a wasted roster spot at this point.

Wasted roster spot is a bit far. He's just as good as any third string QB which is where he should have been this year.That being said, Frazier has stated repeatedly that this team needs a franchise QB.

 

[Couch Potato]

In my opinion you should forget Webb as a viable starter candidate. HC Frazier has said on at least two occasions since the end of the season that, in effect, their franchise QB is not currently on the roster and must be found (don't ask me for links; if interested you can just as easily do the research and find them as I can go back to find them again). Webb projects as no more than a backup, and I've dropped him from any rosters I had him on. Disagree if you like but I think Webb is a wasted roster spot at this point.

Wasted roster spot is a bit far. He's just as good as any third string QB which is where he should have been this year.That being said, Frazier has stated repeatedly that this team needs a franchise QB.

Sorry, I meant fantasy roster spot, not NFL roster spot. I wasn't clear.

 

[bigern1000]

In my opinion you should forget Webb as a viable starter candidate. HC Frazier has said on at least two occasions since the end of the season that, in effect, their franchise QB is not currently on the roster and must be found (don't ask me for links; if interested you can just as easily do the research and find them as I can go back to find them again). Webb projects as no more than a backup, and I've dropped him from any rosters I had him on. Disagree if you like but I think Webb is a wasted roster spot at this point.

Wasted roster spot is a bit far. He's just as good as any third string QB which is where he should have been this year.That being said, Frazier has stated repeatedly that this team needs a franchise QB.

Sorry, I meant fantasy roster spot, not NFL roster spot. I wasn't clear.

At this point in the offseason, unless you can pick up someone better via trade, I don't think it's a roster spot waste at all. Still have the combine, CBA mess, draft, and other events upcoming that anything can happen.

 

[Couch Potato]

In my opinion you should forget Webb as a viable starter candidate. HC Frazier has said on at least two occasions since the end of the season that, in effect, their franchise QB is not currently on the roster and must be found (don't ask me for links; if interested you can just as easily do the research and find them as I can go back to find them again). Webb projects as no more than a backup, and I've dropped him from any rosters I had him on. Disagree if you like but I think Webb is a wasted roster spot at this point.

Wasted roster spot is a bit far. He's just as good as any third string QB which is where he should have been this year.That being said, Frazier has stated repeatedly that this team needs a franchise QB.

Sorry, I meant fantasy roster spot, not NFL roster spot. I wasn't clear.

At this point in the offseason, unless you can pick up someone better via trade, I don't think it's a roster spot waste at all. Still have the combine, CBA mess, draft, and other events upcoming that anything can happen.

I won't roster a 2nd/3rd string QB when the HC says he isn't going to become the team's starter, sorry. In my leagues we can still go to the WW (dynasty) and I'd much rather take a shot with a number of guys available at other positions. Typically 12 of 32 starting NFL QBs start in fantasy, and Webb doesn't even project to be an NFL starter. To me that's a waste of my roster space. I'm using that space on higher upside players at other positions where, with flex, there is much more potential fantasy value if a guy hits.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

First off, I think Musgrave is a bit overrated. He's coached dozens of quarterbacks but the only one who blossomed into a Pro Bowler was Matt Ryan.

Second, Joe Webb is not the kind of quarterback that Musgrave is used to tutoring. Almost all of his students have been traditional pocket passers. Musgrave doesn't have much history with players like Webb.

Third.....I don't see Webb as Minnesota's starter next season. He's a project. If you want a comparison, then I would point to David Garrard, who sat on the bench in Jacksonville for 3 seasons before finally developing into a serviceable starter. Musgrave was his tutor for 2 of those 3 seasons.

 

[RustyFA2]

CAn someone give us a rundown on what kind of offense Musgrave runs and what players have thrived? Who were his previous QB's?

 

[ScottyFargo]

CAn someone give us a rundown on what kind of offense Musgrave runs and what players have thrived? Who were his previous QB's?

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Musgrave’s first stint as OC was after being promoted from Quarterbacks Coach to OC by the Carolina Panthers in 2000. He lasted exactly 4 games before resigning. Musgrave spent the next 2 years at the University of Virginia, where he was very involved in developing Matt Schaub.

In 2003, Musgrave returned to the NFL as the OC for the Jacksonville Jaguars. After 2 seasons, he was “released”, which is apparently a kind way to say “fired”. His next NFL job was as the Quarterbacks Coach for the Washington Redskins, where he lasted for one season before heading to the Atlanta Falcons in the same role. In 2009, Musgrave was promoted to Assistant Head Coach/Quarterbacks Coach.

Seems like a mixed bag. Schaub, Garrard, Ryan. Now, what I am interested in finding out is his run blocking philosophy and what his plans are for protection. If Frazier wants to utilize Peterson to the best of his ability, that's one of the first things Musgrave is going to have to fix.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

CAn someone give us a rundown on what kind of offense Musgrave runs and what players have thrived? Who were his previous QB's?

1999-2000: Carolina Panthers- Steve Beuerlein had a career year in 1999 although he was a journeyman so Musgrave might not have had as much influence.

- backup Jeff Lewis did not pan out

2001-2002: University of Virginia

- Matt Schaub started out as a backup but eventually broke out and made ACC Player Of The Year

2003-2004: Jacksonville Jaguars

- Brunell benched after 3 games

- Byron Leftwich struggled in 2003 but improved in 2004

- Garrard on bench but didn't play much

2005: Washington Redskins

- Brunell with comeback year; team makes playoffs

- Patrick Ramsey regresses to backup/journeyman

2006-2010: Atlanta Falcons

- Vick was already established as starter when he got there

- Schaub was traded (did Musgrave have any influence on that trade??)

- in 2007, Musgrave was unable to get anything out of Joey Harrington, Byron Leftwich, or Chris Redman (but who could?)

- Ryan shows up in 2008 and provides instant production