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Bitcoins - anyone else mining? (1 Viewer)

stbugs said:
:lmao: Industrial value? Didn't say that. You just proved that 60% of gold is used to make things. Hand someone a bitcoin and tell me what they can do with it if the $ value of it is zero. I will give you a hint, nothing.

Also, love your links. YOU CANNOT PAY FOR SOMETHING ON AMAZON.COM WITH BITCOINS. All that link is is a place for you to give bitcoins to someone who then buys something for you on Amazon with USD and accepts your bitcoins for their payment. Hey, I tell you what, I take payments in old shoes and I have Amazon Prime, so now you can buy anything you want off Amazon with old shoes and get two day free shipping. Old shoes are better than bitcoins.

My head is out of the sand, you may want to stop drinking the Koolaid.

You cannot get any denser, yeah go ahead and spend $1500 on an ounce of gold when the value needed in a cell phone is 50 cents.

OMG you can buy whatever you want on Amazon, but it's not recognized as legal tender!, you probably think Paypal is run on a bunch of imaginary pixie dust too.

I drink all the Koolaid evidently, "that is why USD is the only currency in the world, Pony Express is the only way communicate, and Wells Fargo cash transactions are the only way to transact business!"

 
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The mob mentality is strongly opposed to bitcoins, can't argue with the collective intelligence who's best argument is "the old shoe argument", not even when faced with over a billion reasons why they might be too stubborn to get their heads out of their ###.

WARNING: Scary Link Alert!!!
I only need 1 argument as a trump card.

"The Congress shall have Power... To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin"

 
The mob mentality is strongly opposed to bitcoins, can't argue with the collective intelligence who's best argument is "the old shoe argument", not even when faced with over a billion reasons why they might be too stubborn to get their heads out of their ###.

WARNING: Scary Link Alert!!!
I only need 1 argument as a trump card.

"The Congress shall have Power... To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin"
If you put beavers in the middle of the desert, they look around for wood so they can start building a dam. Because beavers, being beavers, want to build dams.

Regulators and legislators regulate and legislate. Because that's what they are, and that's what they do. They're lost without the ability to make new rules on things that don't really need rules.
 
The mob mentality is strongly opposed to bitcoins, can't argue with the collective intelligence who's best argument is "the old shoe argument", not even when faced with over a billion reasons why they might be too stubborn to get their heads out of their ###.

WARNING: Scary Link Alert!!!
I only need 1 argument as a trump card.

"The Congress shall have Power... To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin"
If you put beavers in the middle of the desert, they look around for wood so they can start building a dam. Because beavers, being beavers, want to build dams.

Regulators and legislators regulate and legislate. Because that's what they are, and that's what they do. They're lost without the ability to make new rules on things that don't really need rules.
The power to regulate is the power to destroy.

 
Mr. Pickles, on 16 May 2013 - 20:30, said:This is getting weird.
:goodposting: Jojo thinks he is getting rich off this and somehow saying a couple of dudes who accept bitcoins and buy things for you on Amazon with US dollars/credit cards = Amazon accepting bitcoins. And then above, trying to compare it to Paypal as a payment service. Funny, his best argument against my old shoes Amazon purchasing web site is to try and act like us non-Koolaid adicts are old fashioned because we aren't paying for things in bitcoins yet.
 
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Jojo the circus boy, on 16 May 2013 - 18:59, said:

The mob mentality is strongly opposed to bitcoins, can't argue with the collective intelligence who's best argument is "the old shoe argument", not even when faced with over a billion reasons why they might be too stubborn to get their heads out of their ###.

WARNING: Scary Internet HTML Link Above -- Technology Alert!!!
Hey, I got a scary HTML link too:Looks like your chart.

Also, Jojo my man, do you have any examples of other currencies (which is what this is) that go from being worth $1 and then in a few months worth $30? I wouldn't invest in gold and that isn't even what I said. Gold has actual value outside of a bunch of gold bugs. Right now, bitcoins have no value to 99.9% of the world and probably won't. The only thing interesting that I have seen is that town in Germany where they brought up some good points about being able to transfer and pay for things without fees. Two points on that, the most amazing thing is that you can do that today with cash and I have a feeling we may see this with what Google is doing, but chances are it will be US dollars.

 
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This is getting weird.
:goodposting: Jojo thinks he is getting rich off this and somehow saying a couple of dudes who accept bitcoins and buy things for you on Amazon with US dollars/credit cards = Amazon accepting bitcoins. And then above, trying to compare it to Paypal as a payment service. Funny, his best argument against my old shoes Amazon purchasing web site it to try and act like us non-Koolaid adicts are old fashioned because we aren't paying for things in bitcoins yet.
You don't think bitcoin is a payment provider?https://bitpay.com/

Where did I state I was getting rich off bitcoin?

 
This is getting weird.
:goodposting: Jojo thinks he is getting rich off this and somehow saying a couple of dudes who accept bitcoins and buy things for you on Amazon with US dollars/credit cards = Amazon accepting bitcoins. And then above, trying to compare it to Paypal as a payment service. Funny, his best argument against my old shoes Amazon purchasing web site it to try and act like us non-Koolaid adicts are old fashioned because we aren't paying for things in bitcoins yet.
You don't think bitcoin is a payment provider?https://bitpay.com/

Where did I state I was getting rich off bitcoin?
After all your cheerleading, we all assumed you were on Big Bitcoin payroll somehow.

 
This is getting weird.
:goodposting: Jojo thinks he is getting rich off this and somehow saying a couple of dudes who accept bitcoins and buy things for you on Amazon with US dollars/credit cards = Amazon accepting bitcoins. And then above, trying to compare it to Paypal as a payment service. Funny, his best argument against my old shoes Amazon purchasing web site it to try and act like us non-Koolaid adicts are old fashioned because we aren't paying for things in bitcoins yet.
You don't think bitcoin is a payment provider?https://bitpay.com/Where did I state I was getting rich off bitcoin?
After all your cheerleading, we all assumed you were on Big Bitcoin payroll somehow.
I just enjoy laughing at people like you trying to compare it to Ponzi schemes and tulip inflation.I get it, you're not early adopters, you scoff at anything that is not already mainstream, it just wreaks of ignorance to dismiss it. I'm sure you never illegally downloaded anything either.

 
This is getting weird.
:goodposting: Jojo thinks he is getting rich off this and somehow saying a couple of dudes who accept bitcoins and buy things for you on Amazon with US dollars/credit cards = Amazon accepting bitcoins. And then above, trying to compare it to Paypal as a payment service. Funny, his best argument against my old shoes Amazon purchasing web site it to try and act like us non-Koolaid adicts are old fashioned because we aren't paying for things in bitcoins yet.
You don't think bitcoin is a payment provider?https://bitpay.com/Where did I state I was getting rich off bitcoin?
After all your cheerleading, we all assumed you were on Big Bitcoin payroll somehow.
I just enjoy laughing at people like you trying to compare it to Ponzi schemes and tulip inflation.I get it, you're not early adopters, you scoff at anything that is not already mainstream, it just wreaks of ignorance to dismiss it. I'm sure you never illegally downloaded anything either.
Downloaded, no, I have not. Streamed, well a man has to eat. And I've never compared it to a Ponzi scheme or tulip inflation. Nor does my skepticism about this particular product mean I dismiss anything that is not already mainstream.

Additionally, my tweaking of you has nothing to do with Bitcoin. Its entirely about you resurrecting this thread on multiple occasions anytime Bitcoin pops up on your Google alerts.

 
This is getting weird.
:goodposting: Jojo thinks he is getting rich off this and somehow saying a couple of dudes who accept bitcoins and buy things for you on Amazon with US dollars/credit cards = Amazon accepting bitcoins. And then above, trying to compare it to Paypal as a payment service. Funny, his best argument against my old shoes Amazon purchasing web site it to try and act like us non-Koolaid adicts are old fashioned because we aren't paying for things in bitcoins yet.
You don't think bitcoin is a payment provider?https://bitpay.com/Where did I state I was getting rich off bitcoin?
After all your cheerleading, we all assumed you were on Big Bitcoin payroll somehow.
I just enjoy laughing at people like you trying to compare it to Ponzi schemes and tulip inflation.I get it, you're not early adopters, you scoff at anything that is not already mainstream, it just wreaks of ignorance to dismiss it. I'm sure you never illegally downloaded anything either.
Downloaded, no, I have not. Streamed, well a man has to eat. And I've never compared it to a Ponzi scheme or tulip inflation. Nor does my skepticism about this particular product mean I dismiss anything that is not already mainstream.

Additionally, my tweaking of you has nothing to do with Bitcoin. Its entirely about you resurrecting this thread on multiple occasions anytime Bitcoin pops up on your Google alerts.
I am grouping you in with stbugs since you seem to share the same Orwellian viewpoints.

I think Google Alerts is too advanced for someone like you, you should stick to getting your news from newspapers.

 
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stbugs said:
:lmao: Industrial value? Didn't say that. You just proved that 60% of gold is used to make things. Hand someone a bitcoin and tell me what they can do with it if the $ value of it is zero. I will give you a hint, nothing.

Also, love your links. YOU CANNOT PAY FOR SOMETHING ON AMAZON.COM WITH BITCOINS. All that link is is a place for you to give bitcoins to someone who then buys something for you on Amazon with USD and accepts your bitcoins for their payment. Hey, I tell you what, I take payments in old shoes and I have Amazon Prime, so now you can buy anything you want off Amazon with old shoes and get two day free shipping. Old shoes are better than bitcoins.

My head is out of the sand, you may want to stop drinking the Koolaid.

You cannot get any denser, yeah go ahead and spend $1500 on an ounce of gold when the value needed in a cell phone is 50 cents.

OMG you can buy whatever you want on Amazon, but it's not recognized as legal tender!, you probably think Paypal is run on a bunch of imaginary pixie dust too.

I drink all the Koolaid evidently, "that is why USD is the only currency in the world, Pony Express is the only way communicate, and Wells Fargo cash transactions are the only way to transact business!"
Isn't Paypal traded on established currencies? Bitcoin is extremely volatile and not backed by anything.

 
moderated, on 17 May 2013 - 00:12, said:

Jojo the circus boy, on 16 May 2013 - 19:04, said:

stbugs, on 16 May 2013 - 14:05, said:

Jojo the circus boy, on 16 May 2013 - 00:04, said:

stbugs said:
stbugs, on 15 May 2013 - 15:16, said:

:lmao: Industrial value? Didn't say that. You just proved that 60% of gold is used to make things. Hand someone a bitcoin and tell me what they can do with it if the $ value of it is zero. I will give you a hint, nothing.

Also, love your links. YOU CANNOT PAY FOR SOMETHING ON AMAZON.COM WITH BITCOINS. All that link is is a place for you to give bitcoins to someone who then buys something for you on Amazon with USD and accepts your bitcoins for their payment. Hey, I tell you what, I take payments in old shoes and I have Amazon Prime, so now you can buy anything you want off Amazon with old shoes and get two day free shipping. Old shoes are better than bitcoins.

My head is out of the sand, you may want to stop drinking the Koolaid.

Jojo the circus boy, on 10 May 2013 - 17:00, said:
You cannot get any denser, yeah go ahead and spend $1500 on an ounce of gold when the value needed in a cell phone is 50 cents.

OMG you can buy whatever you want on Amazon, but it's not recognized as legal tender!, you probably think Paypal is run on a bunch of imaginary pixie dust too.

I drink all the Koolaid evidently, "that is why USD is the only currency in the world, Pony Express is the only way communicate, and Wells Fargo cash transactions are the only way to transact business!"
Isn't Paypal traded on established currencies? Bitcoin is extremely volatile and not backed by anything.
When you use PayPal you give PayPal control of your funds, that is the key difference. There are so many http://www.aboutpaypal.org/]horror stories of having to deal with PayPal. Just look back to the Neteller poker fiasco where funds were seized. With bitcoin that is never a problem.

The easier it becomes to use bitcoin the less likely people will have to resort to using PayPal, Neteller or any other central repository that controls your funds. Bitcoin is a very good thing for both sellers (flat fee structure, no fraud) and for people that want control over their finances.

Nobody is suggesting that you convert all of your USD's to Bitcoin so I don't think the volatility is much of a concern, plus it has been correcting itself pretty frequently to the point where the latest DDOS attacks against exchanges like Mt.Gox ended up losing money to the people that tried to profit off of it.

 
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Bucky86 said:
Bucky86, on 17 May 2013 - 00:09, said:Do bitcoins work in strip clubs?
Duh, you can use them anywhere. All you have to do is send your Bitcoins to this convenient service that buys gift cards from the strip club that you then convert to USD that you can buy that $36 bottle of champale. Getting dry humped could not be any easier and more secure!
 
I must admit that the conference lent a lot of credibility to bitcoins--at least for me.

The panel included a really smart guy from Google and a VC guy with a 100mm fund. It was SRO and sold out with ~500-600 people in attendance. Much better than the ramblings about amazon cards and such.

 
I must admit that the conference lent a lot of credibility to bitcoins--at least for me.The panel included a really smart guy from Google and a VC guy with a 100mm fund. It was SRO and sold out with ~500-600 people in attendance. Much better than the ramblings about amazon cards and such.
Can you talk about some of the highlights?
 
Bucky86 said:
Bucky86, on 17 May 2013 - 00:09, said:Do bitcoins work in strip clubs?
Duh, you can use them anywhere. All you have to do is send your Bitcoins to this convenient service that buys gift cards from the strip club that you then convert to USD that you can buy that $36 bottle of champale. Getting dry humped could not be any easier and more secure!
Lol
 
Jojo the circus boy said:
stbugs said:
Mr. Pickles said:
This is getting weird.
:goodposting: Jojo thinks he is getting rich off this and somehow saying a couple of dudes who accept bitcoins and buy things for you on Amazon with US dollars/credit cards = Amazon accepting bitcoins. And then above, trying to compare it to Paypal as a payment service. Funny, his best argument against my old shoes Amazon purchasing web site it to try and act like us non-Koolaid adicts are old fashioned because we aren't paying for things in bitcoins yet.
You don't think bitcoin is a payment provider?https://bitpay.com/

Where did I state I was getting rich off bitcoin?
1) Can you pay Amazon directly with bitcoins without a 3rd party?2) Can you return something to Amazon after paying with bitcoins?

2 simple questions. Just yes or no for each please.

 
Jojo the circus boy said:
stbugs said:
Mr. Pickles said:
This is getting weird.
:goodposting: Jojo thinks he is getting rich off this and somehow saying a couple of dudes who accept bitcoins and buy things for you on Amazon with US dollars/credit cards = Amazon accepting bitcoins. And then above, trying to compare it to Paypal as a payment service. Funny, his best argument against my old shoes Amazon purchasing web site it to try and act like us non-Koolaid adicts are old fashioned because we aren't paying for things in bitcoins yet.
You don't think bitcoin is a payment provider?https://bitpay.com/

Where did I state I was getting rich off bitcoin?
1) Can you pay Amazon directly with bitcoins without a 3rd party?2) Can you return something to Amazon after paying with bitcoins?

2 simple questions. Just yes or no for each please.
1) No

2) When was the last time you had to return something to Amazon? I have never had to return anything, if this is important to you, you have: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ebop4/gyft_now_offers_amazon_gift_cards_up_to_2000_in/

But again all of your questions are unwarranted unless you are converting all of your USD to bitcoin which is part of the all-or-none mob mentality going on here.

Do you use paypal? Can you purchase anything you want on Amazon? Do they accept returns? It's the same rubbish.

 
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I will say, someone in this thread seems way to emotionally involved in this discussion.<br /><br />p.s. Yes, I have had to return things to Amazon. On more than one occasion in fact.

 
Jojo the circus boy said:
The mob mentality is strongly opposed to bitcoins, can't argue with the collective intelligence who's best argument is "the old shoe argument", not even when faced with over a billion reasons why they might be too stubborn to get their heads out of their ###.

WARNING: Scary Internet HTML Link Above -- Technology Alert!!!
Jojo the circus boy said:
I just enjoy laughing at people like you trying to compare it to Ponzi schemes and tulip inflation.
Well, you haven't offered a single reasonable counterargument to them.

"It can't be a Ponzi scheme, just look how quickly the price is increasing" has to be one of the dumbest things ever uttered in the FFA.

 
Jojo the circus boy said:
dparker713 said:
Jojo the circus boy said:
dparker713 said:
Jojo the circus boy said:
stbugs said:
Mr. Pickles said:
This is getting weird.
:goodposting: Jojo thinks he is getting rich off this and somehow saying a couple of dudes who accept bitcoins and buy things for you on Amazon with US dollars/credit cards = Amazon accepting bitcoins. And then above, trying to compare it to Paypal as a payment service. Funny, his best argument against my old shoes Amazon purchasing web site it to try and act like us non-Koolaid adicts are old fashioned because we aren't paying for things in bitcoins yet.
You don't think bitcoin is a payment provider?https://bitpay.com/Where did I state I was getting rich off bitcoin?
After all your cheerleading, we all assumed you were on Big Bitcoin payroll somehow.
I just enjoy laughing at people like you trying to compare it to Ponzi schemes and tulip inflation.I get it, you're not early adopters, you scoff at anything that is not already mainstream, it just wreaks of ignorance to dismiss it. I'm sure you never illegally downloaded anything either.
Downloaded, no, I have not. Streamed, well a man has to eat. And I've never compared it to a Ponzi scheme or tulip inflation. Nor does my skepticism about this particular product mean I dismiss anything that is not already mainstream.

Additionally, my tweaking of you has nothing to do with Bitcoin. Its entirely about you resurrecting this thread on multiple occasions anytime Bitcoin pops up on your Google alerts.
I am grouping you in with stbugs since you seem to share the same Orwellian viewpoints.

I think Google Alerts is too advanced for someone like you, you should stick to getting your news from newspapers.
If you don't think Big Brother is already watching you, check out the AP phone records thread. And pointing out that the US Congress has the power to largely destroy the value of Bitcoins whenever they so desire is hardly Orwellian.

Also, being skeptical of Bitcoins hardly makes someone a Luddite. Plenty of new things are merely fads and not monumental shifts in the world.

 
Money over the course of history has been many many different things. I don't see the harm in letting people try to chose their own money. Bitcoin is not my thing but who cares if people want to trade in it or not. If the congress got serious about shutting it down wouldn't they be legitimizing it's value? If its truly worth nothing then why bother with it.

 
Jojo the circus boy said:
dparker713 said:
Jojo the circus boy said:
dparker713 said:
Jojo the circus boy said:
stbugs said:
Mr. Pickles said:
This is getting weird.
:goodposting: Jojo thinks he is getting rich off this and somehow saying a couple of dudes who accept bitcoins and buy things for you on Amazon with US dollars/credit cards = Amazon accepting bitcoins. And then above, trying to compare it to Paypal as a payment service. Funny, his best argument against my old shoes Amazon purchasing web site it to try and act like us non-Koolaid adicts are old fashioned because we aren't paying for things in bitcoins yet.
You don't think bitcoin is a payment provider?https://bitpay.com/Where did I state I was getting rich off bitcoin?
After all your cheerleading, we all assumed you were on Big Bitcoin payroll somehow.
I just enjoy laughing at people like you trying to compare it to Ponzi schemes and tulip inflation.I get it, you're not early adopters, you scoff at anything that is not already mainstream, it just wreaks of ignorance to dismiss it. I'm sure you never illegally downloaded anything either.
Downloaded, no, I have not. Streamed, well a man has to eat. And I've never compared it to a Ponzi scheme or tulip inflation. Nor does my skepticism about this particular product mean I dismiss anything that is not already mainstream.

Additionally, my tweaking of you has nothing to do with Bitcoin. Its entirely about you resurrecting this thread on multiple occasions anytime Bitcoin pops up on your Google alerts.
I am grouping you in with stbugs since you seem to share the same Orwellian viewpoints.

I think Google Alerts is too advanced for someone like you, you should stick to getting your news from newspapers.
If you don't think Big Brother is already watching you, check out the AP phone records thread. And pointing out that the US Congress has the power to largely destroy the value of Bitcoins whenever they so desire is hardly Orwellian.

Also, being skeptical of Bitcoins hardly makes someone a Luddite. Plenty of new things are merely fads and not monumental shifts in the world.
You forgot the :tinfoilhat:

How does the US Congress destroy bitcoin? I'm all ears to your expertise on the matter.

I'll even http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1817857]throw you the first pitch

 
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Jojo the circus boy said:
The mob mentality is strongly opposed to bitcoins, can't argue with the collective intelligence who's best argument is "the old shoe argument", not even when faced with over a billion reasons why they might be too stubborn to get their heads out of their ###.

WARNING: Scary Internet HTML Link Above -- Technology Alert!!!
Jojo the circus boy said:
>>I just enjoy laughing at people like you trying to compare it to Ponzi schemes and tulip inflation.
Well, you haven't offered a single reasonable counterargument to them.

"It can't be a Ponzi scheme, just look how quickly the price is increasing" has to be one of the dumbest things ever uttered in the FFA.
Counterargument to what?

Name me one decentralized Ponzi Scheme where there is no person or company to profit off it. Do you understand what a Ponzi Scheme is and how it works?

 
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For those who are interested in the highlights of the bitcoin meetup I attended last night, I recorded the presentations. I am not going to edit them, but will be happy to post them somewhere if you want.

Google is devoting resources to this. They are working on a more user friendly wallet and the google guy on the panel was smart as a whip. Other top notch VC firms were there too: Andreesen Horowitz to name one.

 
For those who are interested in the highlights of the bitcoin meetup I attended last night, I recorded the presentations. I am not going to edit them, but will be happy to post them somewhere if you want.Google is devoting resources to this. They are working on a more user friendly wallet and the google guy on the panel was smart as a whip. Other top notch VC firms were there too: Andreesen Horowitz to name one.
I'd be interested thanks.

 
I must admit that the conference lent a lot of credibility to bitcoins--at least for me. The panel included a really smart guy from Google and a VC guy with a 100mm fund. It was SRO and sold out with ~500-600 people in attendance. Much better than the ramblings about amazon cards and such.
Is Chet an acronym for "tech"?
 
Yeah I'd settle down a bit:

U.S. authorities seize accounts of major Bitcoin operatorST. LOUIS, May 17 (Thomson Reuters Accelus) - U.S. authorities have seized two accounts linked to a major operator in the booming Bitcoin digital currency market, Tokyo-based exchange Mt. Gox. The move may prevent the firm from facilitating the purchase and sale of Bitcoins in U.S. dollars at a time when use of the currency and its value has mushroomed.

Bitcoin, which unlike conventional money is bought and sold on a peer-to-peer network independent of any central authority, has grown popular among users who lack faith in the established banking system.

The price of the volatile currency ballooned in March as a result of the Cyprus bank crisis. Authorities worry that a lack of regulation has left the currency vulnerable to money launderers and other criminals.

A seizure warrant obtained Tuesday by the Department of Homeland Security froze an account that an Iowa-based online payment processor, Dwolla Inc, held at Veridian Credit Union in the name of Mutum Sigillum LLC.

An affidavit filed by an agent with the department's investigations unit states that Mutum Sigillum, a Mt. Gox subsidiary incorporated in Delaware, was operating as an unlicensed money transmitter, in violation of federal law.

Treasury's anti-money laundering unit, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), in March issued guidance that dubbed digital currency exchanges money transmitters, a finding that obliged such businesses to register with FinCEN and obtain any mandated state licenses.

A search of FinCEN's online registration database Friday morning suggested that neither Mt. Gox nor Mutum Sigillum had registered. The affidavit cited Mutum Sigillum's failure to register with FinCEN as sufficient grounds to seize its accounts.

Both Mutum Sigillum and Mt. Gox, which says it handles 80 percent of Bitcoin trading, are owned by Mark Karpeles, the affidavit states. It adds that Karpeles opened an account in Mutum Sigillum's name at Wells Fargo in May 2011, and that when doing so completed a form in which he said it was not a money transmitter.

Karpeles did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Nor did Dwolla.

The Wells Fargo account was seized earlier this month as part of the same investigation that prompted the seizure of Mutum Sigillum's Dwolla account at Veridian Credit Union, the affidavit states.

It also notes that those wishing to use U.S. dollars to buy Bitcoins deposited money with Dwolla and directed that it be forwarded to Mt. Gox. When people wanted to cash out, Mt. Gox wired funds from an account at Sumitomo Mitsui Bank in Japan to the Wells Fargo account and U.S. dollars were sent to Dwolla.

An Homeland Security department informant based in Maryland engaged in such transactions, the affidavit states, presenting the informant's Bitcoin exchanges as evidence of Mutum Sigillum's purported status as a money transfer firm.

The seizure of the Mt. Gox-linked accounts may threaten the exchange's ability to do business in U.S. dollars. The impact on the overall Bitcoin market is unclear.

Some Mt. Gox customers have already taken to message boards to express concern about their ability to buy Bitcoins with U.S. dollars or liquidate existing investments. One user posting on a Bitcoin question and answer site suggested this problem was a grave one for the currency and Mt. Gox.

"Most of the trading volume is in dollars at Gox if I'm not mistaken, so this might be the death blow for them," the user's post stated.

Thomson Reuters' Compliance Complete reported last month that Karpeles said all of Mt. Gox's U.S.-dollar activity was accomplished via a Dwolla account.

When Compliance Complete asked at the time whether Mt. Gox had registered with FinCEN in the wake of the March guidance, Karpeles said that it had not, but that it planned to do so. He added that Mt. Gox and Dwolla were "discussing compliance issues on a regular basis."

A spokeswoman for Homeland Security declined to comment on whether the agency, or any foreign law enforcement agency with which it may be cooperating, plan to seize any other accounts linked to Karpeles, Mt. Gox, or other Bitcoin exchanges.
Old shoes starting to look pretty good.

 
Yeah I'd settle down a bit:

U.S. authorities seize accounts of major Bitcoin operatorST. LOUIS, May 17 (Thomson Reuters Accelus) - U.S. authorities have seized two accounts linked to a major operator in the booming Bitcoin digital currency market, Tokyo-based exchange Mt. Gox. The move may prevent the firm from facilitating the purchase and sale of Bitcoins in U.S. dollars at a time when use of the currency and its value has mushroomed.

Bitcoin, which unlike conventional money is bought and sold on a peer-to-peer network independent of any central authority, has grown popular among users who lack faith in the established banking system.

The price of the volatile currency ballooned in March as a result of the Cyprus bank crisis. Authorities worry that a lack of regulation has left the currency vulnerable to money launderers and other criminals.

A seizure warrant obtained Tuesday by the Department of Homeland Security froze an account that an Iowa-based online payment processor, Dwolla Inc, held at Veridian Credit Union in the name of Mutum Sigillum LLC.

An affidavit filed by an agent with the department's investigations unit states that Mutum Sigillum, a Mt. Gox subsidiary incorporated in Delaware, was operating as an unlicensed money transmitter, in violation of federal law.

Treasury's anti-money laundering unit, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), in March issued guidance that dubbed digital currency exchanges money transmitters, a finding that obliged such businesses to register with FinCEN and obtain any mandated state licenses.

A search of FinCEN's online registration database Friday morning suggested that neither Mt. Gox nor Mutum Sigillum had registered. The affidavit cited Mutum Sigillum's failure to register with FinCEN as sufficient grounds to seize its accounts.

Both Mutum Sigillum and Mt. Gox, which says it handles 80 percent of Bitcoin trading, are owned by Mark Karpeles, the affidavit states. It adds that Karpeles opened an account in Mutum Sigillum's name at Wells Fargo in May 2011, and that when doing so completed a form in which he said it was not a money transmitter.

Karpeles did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Nor did Dwolla.

The Wells Fargo account was seized earlier this month as part of the same investigation that prompted the seizure of Mutum Sigillum's Dwolla account at Veridian Credit Union, the affidavit states.

It also notes that those wishing to use U.S. dollars to buy Bitcoins deposited money with Dwolla and directed that it be forwarded to Mt. Gox. When people wanted to cash out, Mt. Gox wired funds from an account at Sumitomo Mitsui Bank in Japan to the Wells Fargo account and U.S. dollars were sent to Dwolla.

An Homeland Security department informant based in Maryland engaged in such transactions, the affidavit states, presenting the informant's Bitcoin exchanges as evidence of Mutum Sigillum's purported status as a money transfer firm.

The seizure of the Mt. Gox-linked accounts may threaten the exchange's ability to do business in U.S. dollars. The impact on the overall Bitcoin market is unclear.

Some Mt. Gox customers have already taken to message boards to express concern about their ability to buy Bitcoins with U.S. dollars or liquidate existing investments. One user posting on a Bitcoin question and answer site suggested this problem was a grave one for the currency and Mt. Gox.

"Most of the trading volume is in dollars at Gox if I'm not mistaken, so this might be the death blow for them," the user's post stated.

Thomson Reuters' Compliance Complete reported last month that Karpeles said all of Mt. Gox's U.S.-dollar activity was accomplished via a Dwolla account.

When Compliance Complete asked at the time whether Mt. Gox had registered with FinCEN in the wake of the March guidance, Karpeles said that it had not, but that it planned to do so. He added that Mt. Gox and Dwolla were "discussing compliance issues on a regular basis."

A spokeswoman for Homeland Security declined to comment on whether the agency, or any foreign law enforcement agency with which it may be cooperating, plan to seize any other accounts linked to Karpeles, Mt. Gox, or other Bitcoin exchanges.
Old shoes starting to look pretty good.
I'm surprised nobody mentioned this already

 
Jojo the circus boy said:
dparker713 said:
Jojo the circus boy said:
dparker713 said:
Jojo the circus boy said:
stbugs said:
Mr. Pickles said:
This is getting weird.
:goodposting: Jojo thinks he is getting rich off this and somehow saying a couple of dudes who accept bitcoins and buy things for you on Amazon with US dollars/credit cards = Amazon accepting bitcoins. And then above, trying to compare it to Paypal as a payment service. Funny, his best argument against my old shoes Amazon purchasing web site it to try and act like us non-Koolaid adicts are old fashioned because we aren't paying for things in bitcoins yet.
You don't think bitcoin is a payment provider?https://bitpay.com/Where did I state I was getting rich off bitcoin?
After all your cheerleading, we all assumed you were on Big Bitcoin payroll somehow.
I just enjoy laughing at people like you trying to compare it to Ponzi schemes and tulip inflation.I get it, you're not early adopters, you scoff at anything that is not already mainstream, it just wreaks of ignorance to dismiss it. I'm sure you never illegally downloaded anything either.
Downloaded, no, I have not. Streamed, well a man has to eat. And I've never compared it to a Ponzi scheme or tulip inflation. Nor does my skepticism about this particular product mean I dismiss anything that is not already mainstream.

Additionally, my tweaking of you has nothing to do with Bitcoin. Its entirely about you resurrecting this thread on multiple occasions anytime Bitcoin pops up on your Google alerts.
I am grouping you in with stbugs since you seem to share the same Orwellian viewpoints.

I think Google Alerts is too advanced for someone like you, you should stick to getting your news from newspapers.
If you don't think Big Brother is already watching you, check out the AP phone records thread. And pointing out that the US Congress has the power to largely destroy the value of Bitcoins whenever they so desire is hardly Orwellian.

Also, being skeptical of Bitcoins hardly makes someone a Luddite. Plenty of new things are merely fads and not monumental shifts in the world.
You forgot the :tinfoilhat:

How does the US Congress destroy bitcoin? I'm all ears to your expertise on the matter.

I'll even throw you the first pitch
Check out the number of US online poker users lately? Its really not that hard to see how Congress could highly limit the usefulness of Bitcoins. Or instead of trying to destroy them, they just tax the exchange or the increased basis each quarter. Or do you think that the US government is going to let themselves get cut out of tax revenue?

This is hardly :tinfoilhat: These are legitimate issues that you want to stick your head in the sand over.

 
Jojo the circus boy said:
dparker713 said:
Jojo the circus boy said:
dparker713 said:
Jojo the circus boy said:
stbugs said:
Mr. Pickles said:
This is getting weird.
:goodposting: Jojo thinks he is getting rich off this and somehow saying a couple of dudes who accept bitcoins and buy things for you on Amazon with US dollars/credit cards = Amazon accepting bitcoins. And then above, trying to compare it to Paypal as a payment service. Funny, his best argument against my old shoes Amazon purchasing web site it to try and act like us non-Koolaid adicts are old fashioned because we aren't paying for things in bitcoins yet.
You don't think bitcoin is a payment provider?https://bitpay.com/Where did I state I was getting rich off bitcoin?
After all your cheerleading, we all assumed you were on Big Bitcoin payroll somehow.
I just enjoy laughing at people like you trying to compare it to Ponzi schemes and tulip inflation.I get it, you're not early adopters, you scoff at anything that is not already mainstream, it just wreaks of ignorance to dismiss it. I'm sure you never illegally downloaded anything either.
Downloaded, no, I have not. Streamed, well a man has to eat. And I've never compared it to a Ponzi scheme or tulip inflation. Nor does my skepticism about this particular product mean I dismiss anything that is not already mainstream.

Additionally, my tweaking of you has nothing to do with Bitcoin. Its entirely about you resurrecting this thread on multiple occasions anytime Bitcoin pops up on your Google alerts.
I am grouping you in with stbugs since you seem to share the same Orwellian viewpoints.

I think Google Alerts is too advanced for someone like you, you should stick to getting your news from newspapers.
If you don't think Big Brother is already watching you, check out the AP phone records thread. And pointing out that the US Congress has the power to largely destroy the value of Bitcoins whenever they so desire is hardly Orwellian.

Also, being skeptical of Bitcoins hardly makes someone a Luddite. Plenty of new things are merely fads and not monumental shifts in the world.
You forgot the :tinfoilhat:

How does the US Congress destroy bitcoin? I'm all ears to your expertise on the matter.

I'll even throw you the first pitch
The Banking Act of 1863 placed a 10% tax on notes of non-federally issued currencies. This essentially pushed all non-federally issued currencies out of circulation, which was the whole point of the tax, and the act for that matter.

All congress would have to do is extend the act to include currencies such as Bitcoin too.

 
Jojo the circus boy said:
dparker713 said:
Jojo the circus boy said:
dparker713 said:
Jojo the circus boy said:
stbugs said:
Mr. Pickles said:
This is getting weird.
:goodposting: Jojo thinks he is getting rich off this and somehow saying a couple of dudes who accept bitcoins and buy things for you on Amazon with US dollars/credit cards = Amazon accepting bitcoins. And then above, trying to compare it to Paypal as a payment service. Funny, his best argument against my old shoes Amazon purchasing web site it to try and act like us non-Koolaid adicts are old fashioned because we aren't paying for things in bitcoins yet.
You don't think bitcoin is a payment provider?https://bitpay.com/Where did I state I was getting rich off bitcoin?
After all your cheerleading, we all assumed you were on Big Bitcoin payroll somehow.
I just enjoy laughing at people like you trying to compare it to Ponzi schemes and tulip inflation.I get it, you're not early adopters, you scoff at anything that is not already mainstream, it just wreaks of ignorance to dismiss it. I'm sure you never illegally downloaded anything either.
Downloaded, no, I have not. Streamed, well a man has to eat. And I've never compared it to a Ponzi scheme or tulip inflation. Nor does my skepticism about this particular product mean I dismiss anything that is not already mainstream.

Additionally, my tweaking of you has nothing to do with Bitcoin. Its entirely about you resurrecting this thread on multiple occasions anytime Bitcoin pops up on your Google alerts.
I am grouping you in with stbugs since you seem to share the same Orwellian viewpoints.

I think Google Alerts is too advanced for someone like you, you should stick to getting your news from newspapers.
If you don't think Big Brother is already watching you, check out the AP phone records thread. And pointing out that the US Congress has the power to largely destroy the value of Bitcoins whenever they so desire is hardly Orwellian.

Also, being skeptical of Bitcoins hardly makes someone a Luddite. Plenty of new things are merely fads and not monumental shifts in the world.
You forgot the :tinfoilhat:

How does the US Congress destroy bitcoin? I'm all ears to your expertise on the matter.

I'll even throw you the first pitch
Check out the number of US online poker users lately? Its really not that hard to see how Congress could highly limit the usefulness of Bitcoins. Or instead of trying to destroy them, they just tax the exchange or the increased basis each quarter. Or do you think that the US government is going to let themselves get cut out of tax revenue?

This is hardly :tinfoilhat: These are legitimate issues that you want to stick your head in the sand over.
You keep missing the point where bitcoins are decentralized, I've already used the poker scenario as one that could not happen since there is no centralized neteller authority. You are trying to equate all exchanges with neteller. First off there are multiple exchanges, second bitcoin is a global currency and payment provider so they are not going to be able to shutdown non-U.S. entities, third you have https://localbitcoins.com/ which is like the craigslist of bitcoin exchanges.

What tax revenue is the Government getting screwed out of?

I think it is you that has your head in the sand in ignoring the differences between bitcoin and what happened with UIGEA and clearly do not understand the prisoner's dilemma that is created if just the U.S. took drastic action against bitcoins (here's a hint: they would need to have every sizeable country on board to "defeat" it).

 
Jojo the circus boy said:
dparker713 said:
Jojo the circus boy said:
dparker713 said:
Jojo the circus boy said:
stbugs said:
Mr. Pickles said:
This is getting weird.
:goodposting: Jojo thinks he is getting rich off this and somehow saying a couple of dudes who accept bitcoins and buy things for you on Amazon with US dollars/credit cards = Amazon accepting bitcoins. And then above, trying to compare it to Paypal as a payment service. Funny, his best argument against my old shoes Amazon purchasing web site it to try and act like us non-Koolaid adicts are old fashioned because we aren't paying for things in bitcoins yet.
You don't think bitcoin is a payment provider?https://bitpay.com/Where did I state I was getting rich off bitcoin?
After all your cheerleading, we all assumed you were on Big Bitcoin payroll somehow.
I just enjoy laughing at people like you trying to compare it to Ponzi schemes and tulip inflation.I get it, you're not early adopters, you scoff at anything that is not already mainstream, it just wreaks of ignorance to dismiss it. I'm sure you never illegally downloaded anything either.
Downloaded, no, I have not. Streamed, well a man has to eat. And I've never compared it to a Ponzi scheme or tulip inflation. Nor does my skepticism about this particular product mean I dismiss anything that is not already mainstream.

Additionally, my tweaking of you has nothing to do with Bitcoin. Its entirely about you resurrecting this thread on multiple occasions anytime Bitcoin pops up on your Google alerts.
I am grouping you in with stbugs since you seem to share the same Orwellian viewpoints.

I think Google Alerts is too advanced for someone like you, you should stick to getting your news from newspapers.
If you don't think Big Brother is already watching you, check out the AP phone records thread. And pointing out that the US Congress has the power to largely destroy the value of Bitcoins whenever they so desire is hardly Orwellian.

Also, being skeptical of Bitcoins hardly makes someone a Luddite. Plenty of new things are merely fads and not monumental shifts in the world.
You forgot the :tinfoilhat:

How does the US Congress destroy bitcoin? I'm all ears to your expertise on the matter.

I'll even throw you the first pitch
The Banking Act of 1863 placed a 10% tax on notes of non-federally issued currencies. This essentially pushed all non-federally issued currencies out of circulation, which was the whole point of the tax, and the act for that matter.

All congress would have to do is extend the act to include currencies such as Bitcoin too.
If you are going to cite the National Banking Acts of 1863 and 1864 then you'll have to explain the leap you are making from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_bank]wildcat banking to bitcoins, I'm not seeing it and never heard of this being a legitimate obstacle to bitcoins which is no where close to state sponsored.

Download the paper I linked above if you want to understand the legal hurdles, he does a good job explaining what the potential ones are.

 
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