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Bitcoins - anyone else mining? (1 Viewer)

UniAlias said:
culdeus said:
UniAlias said:
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
read the thread.
I've kept up with the thread. I've seen a whole lot of people call BTC a ponzi scheme and a scam but haven't seen any proof of that. :shrug:

If it were such a massive ponzi scheme you would think this large ominous minority who controls it would have sold off the majority of their stake when BTC value was >1k and their large holdings were worth hundreds of millions.

But to say that there isn't a true market for BTC seems a little misleading. There are literally over a hundred thousand listings for products on the darknet alone right now. With major companies like Overstock and Dell accepting BTC it seems apparent that the market for them will continue to grow.

I think a healthy dose of skepticism regarding the future of BTC and cryptocurrencies in general is necessary, but calling it a "scam" is just kind of silly IMO.
PM Dr. J, he's the anti btc guy here, guy. I really just follow it because i think the whole thing is interesting. I've never had a btc in my life.

 
UniAlias said:
culdeus said:
UniAlias said:
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
read the thread.
I've kept up with the thread. I've seen a whole lot of people call BTC a ponzi scheme and a scam but haven't seen any proof of that. :shrug:

If it were such a massive ponzi scheme you would think this large ominous minority who controls it would have sold off the majority of their stake when BTC value was >1k and their large holdings were worth hundreds of millions.

But to say that there isn't a true market for BTC seems a little misleading. There are literally over a hundred thousand listings for products on the darknet alone right now. With major companies like Overstock and Dell accepting BTC it seems apparent that the market for them will continue to grow.

I think a healthy dose of skepticism regarding the future of BTC and cryptocurrencies in general is necessary, but calling it a "scam" is just kind of silly IMO.
Look at the homeless hobo spouting some common sense knowledge. And reading this entire thread is a chore. Sounds like my mom when I doubt religion telling me to "READ THE BIBLE", as if that's going to solve all my questions. You see the size of that book? Damn....large enough to heat Uni's tent dwelling for a week.

 
UniAlias said:
culdeus said:
UniAlias said:
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
No proof, but there are over 13 million bitcoins and just 50-80,000 are traded daily.

A market like that with anonymous trading is easily manipulated.

 
UniAlias said:
culdeus said:
UniAlias said:
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
No proof, but there are over 13 million bitcoins and just 50-80,000 are traded daily.

A market like that with anonymous trading is easily manipulated.
I'm not sure I would agree that it's easily manipulated, but I get your point. I still don't see how this correlates to the entire thing being a scam/ponzi scheme though.

Before people start calling me Jojo let me reiterate that I'm not in here touting Bitcoin as the future of currency and advising everyone to buy as much as they can. I use it because functionally it's an extremely easy, cheap, quick, and anonymous way to move funds to any location in the world. In comparison to wire transfers, card systems, checks, ACH, whatever else, it's superior in nearly every way. For those reasons I think cryptocurrencies inevitably have a future in eCommerce. But I think they have a long way to go, and finding the right balance of regulation without impeding too much on people who use it is going to be tricky.

I blame GM for getting me sucked into this discussion. <_<

 
UniAlias said:
culdeus said:
UniAlias said:
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
No proof, but there are over 13 million bitcoins and just 50-80,000 are traded daily.

A market like that with anonymous trading is easily manipulated.
I'm not sure I would agree that it's easily manipulated, but I get your point. I still don't see how this correlates to the entire thing being a scam/ponzi scheme though.

Before people start calling me Jojo let me reiterate that I'm not in here touting Bitcoin as the future of currency and advising everyone to buy as much as they can. I use it because functionally it's an extremely easy, cheap, quick, and anonymous way to move funds to any location in the world. In comparison to wire transfers, card systems, checks, ACH, whatever else, it's superior in nearly every way. For those reasons I think cryptocurrencies inevitably have a future in eCommerce. But I think they have a long way to go, and finding the right balance of regulation without impeding too much on people who use it is going to be tricky.

I blame GM for getting me sucked into this discussion. <_<
I'm curious what sort of scenarios do you need to move funds that are not covered today? Clearly buying a Dell computer or something from overstock is pretty well covered transaction today even before they accepted bit coin. What are the cheap, quick, anonymous scenario that are needed?

 
UniAlias said:
culdeus said:
UniAlias said:
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
No proof, but there are over 13 million bitcoins and just 50-80,000 are traded daily.

A market like that with anonymous trading is easily manipulated.
Not entirely true - there was that one time in late 2011 where all of them moved between a few accounts and stuff.

https://blockchain.info/charts/estimated-transaction-volume?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

 
UniAlias said:
culdeus said:
UniAlias said:
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
No proof, but there are over 13 million bitcoins and just 50-80,000 are traded daily.

A market like that with anonymous trading is easily manipulated.
I'm not sure I would agree that it's easily manipulated, but I get your point. I still don't see how this correlates to the entire thing being a scam/ponzi scheme though.

Before people start calling me Jojo let me reiterate that I'm not in here touting Bitcoin as the future of currency and advising everyone to buy as much as they can. I use it because functionally it's an extremely easy, cheap, quick, and anonymous way to move funds to any location in the world. In comparison to wire transfers, card systems, checks, ACH, whatever else, it's superior in nearly every way. For those reasons I think cryptocurrencies inevitably have a future in eCommerce. But I think they have a long way to go, and finding the right balance of regulation without impeding too much on people who use it is going to be tricky.

I blame GM for getting me sucked into this discussion. <_<
What allows it to be easily manipulated is that a very small number of people have almost ALL of the coins. There are a number of people that actually use it for transactions like you're doing. And then there's a few guys that own a massive share of the coins and have since day 1. Those guys are the ones that set the "value".

 
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UniAlias said:
culdeus said:
UniAlias said:
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
No proof, but there are over 13 million bitcoins and just 50-80,000 are traded daily.

A market like that with anonymous trading is easily manipulated.
I'm not sure I would agree that it's easily manipulated, but I get your point. I still don't see how this correlates to the entire thing being a scam/ponzi scheme though.

Before people start calling me Jojo let me reiterate that I'm not in here touting Bitcoin as the future of currency and advising everyone to buy as much as they can. I use it because functionally it's an extremely easy, cheap, quick, and anonymous way to move funds to any location in the world. In comparison to wire transfers, card systems, checks, ACH, whatever else, it's superior in nearly every way. For those reasons I think cryptocurrencies inevitably have a future in eCommerce. But I think they have a long way to go, and finding the right balance of regulation without impeding too much on people who use it is going to be tricky.

I blame GM for getting me sucked into this discussion. <_<
I'm curious what sort of scenarios do you need to move funds that are not covered today? Clearly buying a Dell computer or something from overstock is pretty well covered transaction today even before they accepted bit coin. What are the cheap, quick, anonymous scenario that are needed?
For me personally I use it for online gambling and for purchasing products on DNM's.

 
UniAlias said:
culdeus said:
UniAlias said:
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
No proof, but there are over 13 million bitcoins and just 50-80,000 are traded daily.

A market like that with anonymous trading is easily manipulated.
I'm not sure I would agree that it's easily manipulated, but I get your point. I still don't see how this correlates to the entire thing being a scam/ponzi scheme though.

Before people start calling me Jojo let me reiterate that I'm not in here touting Bitcoin as the future of currency and advising everyone to buy as much as they can. I use it because functionally it's an extremely easy, cheap, quick, and anonymous way to move funds to any location in the world. In comparison to wire transfers, card systems, checks, ACH, whatever else, it's superior in nearly every way. For those reasons I think cryptocurrencies inevitably have a future in eCommerce. But I think they have a long way to go, and finding the right balance of regulation without impeding too much on people who use it is going to be tricky.

I blame GM for getting me sucked into this discussion. <_<
What allows it to be easily manipulated is that a very small number of people have almost ALL of the coins. There are a number of people that actually use it for transactions like you're doing. And then there's a few guys that own a massive share of the coins and have since day 1. Those guys are the ones that set the "value".
What is their end game in your opinion?

 
UniAlias said:
culdeus said:
UniAlias said:
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
No proof, but there are over 13 million bitcoins and just 50-80,000 are traded daily.

A market like that with anonymous trading is easily manipulated.
I'm not sure I would agree that it's easily manipulated, but I get your point. I still don't see how this correlates to the entire thing being a scam/ponzi scheme though.

Before people start calling me Jojo let me reiterate that I'm not in here touting Bitcoin as the future of currency and advising everyone to buy as much as they can. I use it because functionally it's an extremely easy, cheap, quick, and anonymous way to move funds to any location in the world. In comparison to wire transfers, card systems, checks, ACH, whatever else, it's superior in nearly every way. For those reasons I think cryptocurrencies inevitably have a future in eCommerce. But I think they have a long way to go, and finding the right balance of regulation without impeding too much on people who use it is going to be tricky.

I blame GM for getting me sucked into this discussion. <_<
I'm curious what sort of scenarios do you need to move funds that are not covered today? Clearly buying a Dell computer or something from overstock is pretty well covered transaction today even before they accepted bit coin. What are the cheap, quick, anonymous scenario that are needed?
For me personally I use it for online gambling and for purchasing products on DNM's.
I don't know what DNM's are. I am guessing weed related products? If it is it needs to be shipped so its not really anonymous.

I'm not saying the need doesnt necessarily exist at all, but as far as I have seen it is pretty narrow.

 
UniAlias said:
culdeus said:
UniAlias said:
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
No proof, but there are over 13 million bitcoins and just 50-80,000 are traded daily.

A market like that with anonymous trading is easily manipulated.
I'm not sure I would agree that it's easily manipulated, but I get your point. I still don't see how this correlates to the entire thing being a scam/ponzi scheme though.

Before people start calling me Jojo let me reiterate that I'm not in here touting Bitcoin as the future of currency and advising everyone to buy as much as they can. I use it because functionally it's an extremely easy, cheap, quick, and anonymous way to move funds to any location in the world. In comparison to wire transfers, card systems, checks, ACH, whatever else, it's superior in nearly every way. For those reasons I think cryptocurrencies inevitably have a future in eCommerce. But I think they have a long way to go, and finding the right balance of regulation without impeding too much on people who use it is going to be tricky.

I blame GM for getting me sucked into this discussion. <_<
Come back to Portland and I'll bitcoin us some steak bites and beers.

BTW, you are killing it in here. :thumbup:

 
UniAlias said:
culdeus said:
UniAlias said:
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
No proof, but there are over 13 million bitcoins and just 50-80,000 are traded daily.

A market like that with anonymous trading is easily manipulated.
I'm not sure I would agree that it's easily manipulated, but I get your point. I still don't see how this correlates to the entire thing being a scam/ponzi scheme though.

Before people start calling me Jojo let me reiterate that I'm not in here touting Bitcoin as the future of currency and advising everyone to buy as much as they can. I use it because functionally it's an extremely easy, cheap, quick, and anonymous way to move funds to any location in the world. In comparison to wire transfers, card systems, checks, ACH, whatever else, it's superior in nearly every way. For those reasons I think cryptocurrencies inevitably have a future in eCommerce. But I think they have a long way to go, and finding the right balance of regulation without impeding too much on people who use it is going to be tricky.

I blame GM for getting me sucked into this discussion. <_<
I'm curious what sort of scenarios do you need to move funds that are not covered today? Clearly buying a Dell computer or something from overstock is pretty well covered transaction today even before they accepted bit coin. What are the cheap, quick, anonymous scenario that are needed?
For me personally I use it for online gambling and for purchasing products on DNM's.
I don't know what DNM's are. I am guessing weed related products? If it is it needs to be shipped so its not really anonymous. I'm not saying the need doesnt necessarily exist at all, but as far as I have seen it is pretty narrow.
I agree. There isn't a lot of incentive for common people to begin using BTC right now. Most of the back end costs associated with eCommerce (either from fraudulent losses or transaction fees) are eaten by the merchant and factored into their cost of goods.But (IMO) some merchants are realizing by accepting BTC they can avoid those high percentage fees that Visa/MC demand. I think if it's going to catch on main stream it will be because more merchants view it as a method of performing cheaper transactions and pass those savings on to consumers. But it's still an unregulated and extremely volatile market so it's understandable that many merchants are weary of jumping in.

 
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UniAlias said:
culdeus said:
UniAlias said:
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
No proof, but there are over 13 million bitcoins and just 50-80,000 are traded daily.

A market like that with anonymous trading is easily manipulated.
I'm not sure I would agree that it's easily manipulated, but I get your point. I still don't see how this correlates to the entire thing being a scam/ponzi scheme though.

Before people start calling me Jojo let me reiterate that I'm not in here touting Bitcoin as the future of currency and advising everyone to buy as much as they can. I use it because functionally it's an extremely easy, cheap, quick, and anonymous way to move funds to any location in the world. In comparison to wire transfers, card systems, checks, ACH, whatever else, it's superior in nearly every way. For those reasons I think cryptocurrencies inevitably have a future in eCommerce. But I think they have a long way to go, and finding the right balance of regulation without impeding too much on people who use it is going to be tricky.

I blame GM for getting me sucked into this discussion. <_<
I'm curious what sort of scenarios do you need to move funds that are not covered today? Clearly buying a Dell computer or something from overstock is pretty well covered transaction today even before they accepted bit coin. What are the cheap, quick, anonymous scenario that are needed?
For me personally I use it for online gambling and for purchasing products on DNM's.
I don't know what DNM's are. I am guessing weed related products? If it is it needs to be shipped so its not really anonymous. I'm not saying the need doesnt necessarily exist at all, but as far as I have seen it is pretty narrow.
I agree. There isn't a lot of incentive for common people to begin using BTC right now. Most of the back end costs associated with eCommerce (either from fraudulent losses or transactions fees) are eaten by the merchant and factored into their cost of goods.

But (IMO) some merchants are realizing by accepting BTC they can avoid those high percentage fees that Visa/MC demand. I think if it's going to catch on main stream it will be because more merchants view it as a method of performing cheaper transactions and pass those savings on to consumers. But it's still an unregulated and extremely volatile market so it's understandable that many merchants are weary of jumping in.
The problem is that someone is going to have a shoulder an awful lot of price risk (BTC/USD).

 
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
No proof, but there are over 13 million bitcoins and just 50-80,000 are traded daily.

A market like that with anonymous trading is easily manipulated.
I'm not sure I would agree that it's easily manipulated, but I get your point. I still don't see how this correlates to the entire thing being a scam/ponzi scheme though.

Before people start calling me Jojo let me reiterate that I'm not in here touting Bitcoin as the future of currency and advising everyone to buy as much as they can. I use it because functionally it's an extremely easy, cheap, quick, and anonymous way to move funds to any location in the world. In comparison to wire transfers, card systems, checks, ACH, whatever else, it's superior in nearly every way. For those reasons I think cryptocurrencies inevitably have a future in eCommerce. But I think they have a long way to go, and finding the right balance of regulation without impeding too much on people who use it is going to be tricky.

I blame GM for getting me sucked into this discussion. <_<
What allows it to be easily manipulated is that a very small number of people have almost ALL of the coins. There are a number of people that actually use it for transactions like you're doing. And then there's a few guys that own a massive share of the coins and have since day 1. Those guys are the ones that set the "value".
What is their end game in your opinion?
Take as much money from people as they possibly can.

 
I agree. There isn't a lot of incentive for common people to begin using BTC right now. Most of the back end costs associated with eCommerce (either from fraudulent losses or transaction fees) are eaten by the merchant and factored into their cost of goods.But (IMO) some merchants are realizing by accepting BTC they can avoid those high percentage fees that Visa/MC demand. I think if it's going to catch on main stream it will be because more merchants view it as a method of performing cheaper transactions and pass those savings on to consumers. But it's still an unregulated and extremely volatile market so it's understandable that many merchants are weary of jumping in.
What's in it for customers?

 
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
No proof, but there are over 13 million bitcoins and just 50-80,000 are traded daily.

A market like that with anonymous trading is easily manipulated.
I'm not sure I would agree that it's easily manipulated, but I get your point. I still don't see how this correlates to the entire thing being a scam/ponzi scheme though.

Before people start calling me Jojo let me reiterate that I'm not in here touting Bitcoin as the future of currency and advising everyone to buy as much as they can. I use it because functionally it's an extremely easy, cheap, quick, and anonymous way to move funds to any location in the world. In comparison to wire transfers, card systems, checks, ACH, whatever else, it's superior in nearly every way. For those reasons I think cryptocurrencies inevitably have a future in eCommerce. But I think they have a long way to go, and finding the right balance of regulation without impeding too much on people who use it is going to be tricky.

I blame GM for getting me sucked into this discussion. <_<
What allows it to be easily manipulated is that a very small number of people have almost ALL of the coins. There are a number of people that actually use it for transactions like you're doing. And then there's a few guys that own a massive share of the coins and have since day 1. Those guys are the ones that set the "value".
How bots manipulated the price of Bitcoins

 
The price of a bitcoin has tumbled since hitting a record $1,100 in November 2013 due to nagging concerns about potential regulation, the collapse of a large bitcoin exchange in Japan and the stigma that it is often used for illicit activity. One bitcoin was worth $318.10 Thursday on the CoinDesk price index.
 
Wonder how CampBX is doing these days.

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Dave - December 1, 2014

starstarstarstarstar Sold $1,000.00 US of bit coin Nov. 2014. After 3 weeks they sent check, that bounced, on a closed account.

Trying to move all my bit coins out now.

Everyone needs to bail on them if they can.

Thomas - October 22, 2014

starstarstarstarstar I transferred bitcoins from Korbit to CampBX. It was successful and I could sell bitcoins smoothly. There was no problem. I did money withdrawal within 3days. CampBX is NOT SCAM site.

Tip: 1LYBbX2EXdGakvQjePbCqVfC6qoYMwv1q4

Clyde Talley - August 27, 2014

starstarstarstarstar CampBx.com is a SCAM website totally.my wife and i sold CampBx bitcoins around 9 months ago,back when bitcoin had reached $1200. per coin,they then put us a web clock,a timer,showing when we would be paid,that clock ran for 1 whole month,then,they sent us an email saying they payment would be delayed longer,bottom line,they never ever paid us at all.help us in our quest to seek justice from the criminals opperating CampBx.com we can be contacted at clydeusa@gmail.com

campbxhostage - August 21, 2014

starstarstarstarstar Can not transfer bitcoins off of site. Customer service is non existant.

poptart - August 13, 2014

starstarstarstarstar today cant transfer any BTC. File another support ticket.

poptart - August 12, 2014

starstarstarstarstar Well, after not being able to logon for a couple weeks and filing a support ticket wihtout repsonse from campbx, i can now miraculously logon. Trying to XFer BTC off, site states a 500 BTC daily limit. I cant transfer more than two! BEWARE

Old timer - August 11, 2014

starstarstarstarstar Been with CampBX since the days of yore. Definitely recommend them for Bitcoin trading.

Steven - August 9, 2014

starstarstarstarstar Money order purchase went through super smooth!

Steve - July 27, 2014

starstarstarstarstar They dont have customer service. Campbx sucks!!

Mullen - July 27, 2014

starstarstarstarstar Horrible Service

poptart - July 8, 2014

starstarstarstarstar Used this exchange for over a year, always been good. Never any issues. Two days ago I tried to login, the site said my account was closed. File a ticket with support they tell me to make sure I'm using the correct URL, you gotta be kidding me!. Now it just says login blocked. Terrible support!

Joe - May 5, 2014

starstarstarstarstar CampBX was pretty good until they lost their bank connection. But now they're scary, I mean MtGox scary. Their "office" is a PO box and from personal experience I know that their bookkeeping is incompetent. They only trade about 100 coins a day and their rates are low, so they are not making much money. Even so somebody did a lot of work on the web site; the CampBX web site is very slick and works well, except when there's high trading volume (so the CampBX bogs down at the times when I want to trade the most).

I have found CampBX to be an honest and functional exchange. But IMHO it would be very foolish to bank cash or coins in the CampBX exchange for any longer than it takes to buy or sell your coins.

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azriel - March 4, 2014

starstarstarstarstar Thank you for your reviews. I also had negative experience with the company. It took over a month in November to get my account approved. Their site stated that ACH will come on line within 3 weeks by the end of December. I see that we are in March and their ACH still not working. I agree with the previous reviewers, that such delays in bitcoin world are not acceptable. I have not invested any money with them until I would have a proof that ACH is functional and I could put in or take out money instantly just like coinbase....... if the can get their costumer care in order and ACH working, may be I will consider working with them, but so far its not worth the hassles. I have had enough poor costumer care with MtGox, and bad management leads to bad results. Please do your research and be careful. Tips are always appreciated. All the blessings.

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Dragonite - February 26, 2014

starstarstarstarstar I had two successful transactions before with these guys. However I had a recent transaction done at the end of January with these guys and it is now the end of February and I still have not received my money in my bank account. I chatted with their live chat and they said they would credit me back my money on my account and that hasn't happened yet either. I don't think these guys should be trusted anymore by anybody.

Anon - February 22, 2014

starstarstarstarstar I don't know if they are fraudulent or just simply incompetent but I've had a pretty dismal experience with this website.

After I had mailed in my documents and they had cashed in my money, it took a whole month for my account to be accredited. And in the bitcoin world, a month's time of change is not acceptable. What's more is that not all the bitcoins that I had were added to my account at once. It took an additional several weeks for the complete amount I ordered to come in.

During the waiting period I emailed the support team many times and got a slow responses which were generic and copy-pasted.

I give 2 stars because although it works and isn't a complete scam, it's not worth the trouble.

prabhu - December 22, 2013

starstarstarstarstar Poor customer service

 
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Bitcoin is going to be huge, but it will need services like Apple Pay & Google Wallet to help it gain traction.

Once people start getting used to paying for things with their devices it will really take off. Maybe not so much in the US, but in the less developed world it may take off. People still use a barter system in many parts of the world, and many do not use banks. Guess what these people do have? Cell phones.

 
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Some form of Digital Currency is going to be huge, but it will need services like Apple Pay & Google Wallet to help it gain traction.

Once people start getting used to paying for things with their devices it will really take off. Maybe not so much in the US, but in the less developed world it may take off. People still use a barter system in many parts of the world, and many do not use banks. Guess what these people do have? Cell phones.
Fixed. Bitcoin is the "premier" digital currently (for lack of a better alternative). The infrastructure that supports it could just as easily support any number of other digital currencies.

 
Some form of Digital Currency is going to be huge, but it will need services like Apple Pay & Google Wallet to help it gain traction.

Once people start getting used to paying for things with their devices it will really take off. Maybe not so much in the US, but in the less developed world it may take off. People still use a barter system in many parts of the world, and many do not use banks. Guess what these people do have? Cell phones.
Fixed. Bitcoin is the "premier" digital currently (for lack of a better alternative). The infrastructure that supports it could just as easily support any number of other digital currencies.
I'm not sure what either of you mean. U.S. Dollars and other countries' currencies can be digital currencies.

 
Some form of Digital Currency is going to be huge, but it will need services like Apple Pay & Google Wallet to help it gain traction.

Once people start getting used to paying for things with their devices it will really take off. Maybe not so much in the US, but in the less developed world it may take off. People still use a barter system in many parts of the world, and many do not use banks. Guess what these people do have? Cell phones.
Fixed. Bitcoin is the "premier" digital currently (for lack of a better alternative). The infrastructure that supports it could just as easily support any number of other digital currencies.
I'm not sure what either of you mean. U.S. Dollars and other countries' currencies can be digital currencies.
The big win, according to those promoting digital currencies, is that it ISN'T tied to any country's fiat money system. It's literally just a medium of exchange that's value is intrinsic to it's ability to facilitate exchanges of value. That's where you start to get into all of the FIAT money is horrible discussions, etc.

I'm much more pragmatic about it, the technology underlying Bitcoin (and other digital currencies) is pretty cool, and allows for exchange of value without the need to a third party, like Visa/Mastercard/US Gov't/etc. That said, most likely the actual real day use will still be through some sort of third party, and will likely involve using the digital currency as the transport layer, and the end user will only "hold" a digital currency for a very brief period that it takes to complete the transaction (covert from "money" into digital currency, transfer, convert back into "money").

I don't see it "bringing down" the current FIAT system, and more than likely I see the established players like Visa/Mastercard just adjusting their systems to work with it if it gets big enough to make it worthwhile.

 
This article comes to the conclusion that Hal Finney didn't create Bitcoin. Howeve, I have my doubts.

For one there's the coincidence that Finney and Nakamoto both lived in the small town of Temple City, CA.

It's claimed in the article that Finney did not have many bitcoins, yet a screenshot from a 6 day period in 2009 shows him with 300 bitcoins and he at least did it for 'weeks' (see below). I find it very hard to believe that the second bitcoin miner and major bitcoin coder would suddenly stop mining and burn them to a DVD.

He kept it running for weeks–just how long, he declined to tell me. With no competition, he was able to mine as much as a hundred coins a day using only his old PC’s off-the-shelf CPU. But sometime after mining a thousand coins, Finney turned the machine off–he and his son were worried the computer was overheating. The stash of bitcoins sat on Finney’s hard drive and were later burned to a DVD, left to gather dust on a desk.
He also had $200k to have his body cryogenically frozen:

Minimum Cryopreservation Funding:

$200,000.00 Whole Body Cryopreservation ($115,000 to the Patient Care Trust, $60,000 for cryopreservation, $25,000.00 to the CMS Fund).
A week after he died, 2000 bitcoins were transferred out of his wallet: https://blockchain.info/address/157i5gK7iN4bNAN39Ahuoiq6Tx5TaQukTE
 
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You guys are missing the new bitcoin talking point:

Bitcoin isn't for holding value, it's merely a transfer vehicle.

Because I guess MONEX is down?

 
Off that $5M stolen article, gotta love this one: LINK

Gotta love the running bitcoin price the length of the article. Pretty sure JoJo was at this.

 
Sure. Just like there is money to be made in going USD->USD transactions. How does that make it a scam?

FWIW I pay drastically less fees funding a BTC gambling account compared to the old days of NetTeller online poker funding.
The scam is in the intrinsic price of BTC/USD being propped up by the early investors. There is not a true market for this currency because it is held by so few people.
Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?
No proof, but there are over 13 million bitcoins and just 50-80,000 are traded daily.

A market like that with anonymous trading is easily manipulated.
I'm not sure I would agree that it's easily manipulated, but I get your point. I still don't see how this correlates to the entire thing being a scam/ponzi scheme though.

Before people start calling me Jojo let me reiterate that I'm not in here touting Bitcoin as the future of currency and advising everyone to buy as much as they can. I use it because functionally it's an extremely easy, cheap, quick, and anonymous way to move funds to any location in the world. In comparison to wire transfers, card systems, checks, ACH, whatever else, it's superior in nearly every way. For those reasons I think cryptocurrencies inevitably have a future in eCommerce. But I think they have a long way to go, and finding the right balance of regulation without impeding too much on people who use it is going to be tricky.

I blame GM for getting me sucked into this discussion. <_<
What allows it to be easily manipulated is that a very small number of people have almost ALL of the coins. There are a number of people that actually use it for transactions like you're doing. And then there's a few guys that own a massive share of the coins and have since day 1. Those guys are the ones that set the "value".
How bots manipulated the price of Bitcoins
They are gonna need bigger bots

 
Bitcoin plummets after a massive Deep Web drugs marketplace vanished overnight

ROB PRICE

MAR. 18, 2015, 8:19 AM

The value of Bitcoin is plummeting after Evolution, a huge Deep Web marketplace for drugs and other illicit goods, vanished overnight.

Former staff members accuse the site's administrator's of stealing an estimated $12 million in Bitcoin.

A day ago Bitcoin was trading at $290. At the time of writing, it's at $268 and still falling. See the graph below, courtesy of CoinDesk: bitcoin price drop evolution march 2015 1 day 18CoinDesk

Evolution operated much like a black-market eBay: independent vendors would sell their wares with the administrators taking a cut, and users able to leave reviews and feedback on the vendors' goods. Only accessible through anonymising web software Tor, sales were made with digital currency Bitcoin.

But now, it has shuttered without warning, and the community believes that the two admins — Verto and Kimble — have made off with an estimated $12 million-worth of Bitcoin held in escrow by the site.

Bitcoin is having a turbulent 2015. At the start of the year, it suffered a serious crash, losing 30% of its value in a matter of days. But venture capital cash is also flooding into the sector. Bitcoin exchange Coinbase raised $75 million in VC funding in February, and more recently mysterious digital currency startup 21 raised a record-breaking $116 million.
 
Wow. Easy to come up with a lot of fascinating scenarios for why the two admins scammed. Pretty ballsy to steal millions of dollars from notorious international drug dealers.

 
UniAlias> Are you still using BTC for online gambling transfers? I understand the deposit side easily enough, but how do you get your $ out of sites and then back into USD? I assume you don't hold funds in BTC, right?

 
UniAlias> Are you still using BTC for online gambling transfers? I understand the deposit side easily enough, but how do you get your $ out of sites and then back into USD? I assume you don't hold funds in BTC, right?
If the movie 'Dope' was accurate, you find a guy in Chinatown who will give you cash for your Bitcoin...if you can tell the difference between a real and fake Louis Vuitton bag that is.

 
Why the price of bitcoin is skyrocketing again

Aaron Pressman
November 5, 2015 10:35 AM

The price of Bitcoin, the world's most popular virtual, digital currency, is on the rise again. After trading in a range of $200 to $250 for most of the year, the price of one Bitcoin shot up to $500 this week, although it has since fallen back to $392 on Thursday.

A great surge to $1,000 at the end of 2013 ended in disaster for investors as the currency lost three-quarters of its value in ensuing months. But what's behind the latest rally and will it stick? Here are three possible explanations:

Perhaps questionable Chinese interest

As often happens with bitcoin price surges, a lot of the trading is coming out of China. And there is a social financial network called MMM Global growing massively in China that requires users to buy bitcoin and share it around with other members. The Financial Times has said MMM has elements typical of pyramid schemes. The site was founded by a former Russian legislator who was jailed for fraud over a pyramid scheme he operated in the 1990s.

China has also tightened capital controls recently, making it harder for its citizens to send money abroad. Some bitcoin buying may be related to efforts to get around the crackdown.

Growing legitimate business interest

At the Money 20/20 conference last week, many companies announced new bitcoin-based services. The Nasdaq (NDAQ), for example, will be recording transactions in private stocks using bitcoin's public ledger, known as the blockchain. And Mastercard (MA) joined the long list of establishment institutions investing in bitcoin startups. And, two weeks ago, the European Union's top court agreed that virtual currencies like bitcoin can be traded like established currencies without triggering taxes applied to sales of goods and services. Past rallies have been linked with speculative bets that these kinds of deals and rulings would popularize the cryptocurrency and lead to greater demand which would push up the price.

Jamie Dimon

The always opinionated CEO of JPMorgan Chase (JPM) says bitcoin has no future -- governments will shut it down, he said at Fortune's Global Forum on Wednesday. “Virtual currency, where it’s called a bitcoin vs. a U.S. dollar, that’s going to be stopped,” Dimon said.

Coming from the the guy who bought Bear Stearns and WaMu and missed those billions of dollars of crazy trades by the London Whale, Dimon's remarks may be attracting contrarians to bet against the big bank CEO. Probably not many, but with bitcoin, you never know.
 
Bitcoin founder arrested on tax charges

The Australian Federal police said in a statement that the raids were not related to the bitcoin claims. “The AFP can confirm it has conducted search warrants to assist the Australian Taxation Office at a residence in Gordon and a business premises in Ryde, Sydney. This matter is unrelated to recent media reporting regarding the digital currency bitcoin.”

One officer told Reuters they were “clearing the house”. Reuters reporter Jane Wardell said Wright’s offices were also being raided.
 
currently using coinbase and it's taking ~1 week between purchase of BTC and delivery. so there's a 1 week period where i'm open to any pricing fluctuations (i'm really just trying to use this to fund 5Dimes so I want to convert it back to dollars as quickly as possible). also my limit is currently $275. anyone use a better site or know a way around this?

 
I miss this thread. There is almost no news on bitcoins at all anymore. Not surprising to me at all, but this thread with JoJo was fun. I wonder what the JoJo boy is doing these days? That CampBX site is up still, but it sure isn't doing much. Based on this chart there were 20 bit coins traded yesterday there and an average of 1 or 2 a day for the prior couple months. Pretty sure he doesn't do anymore work for them since they are making around $5-10 a day before operating costs.

 
Is Bitcoin Breaking Up?

Rift widening over how to deal with the size limits within the virtual currency’s ledger of transactions

By Paul Vigna

Jan. 17, 2016 10:28 a.m. ET

A prominent bitcoin developer has labeled the currency a failed experiment, widening the rift over an arcane but critical technical issue that has divided the community for nearly a year.

“The fundamentals are broken, and whatever happens to the price in the short term, the long-term trend should probably be downwards,” developer Mike Hearn wrote on the blogging platform Medium. “I will no longer be taking part in bitcoin development and have sold all my coins.”

The fight stems from growing congestion on the bitcoin network caused by size limits within the currency’s ledger of transactions. If the limits aren’t raised, the result could be debilitating bottlenecks. But fixing it requires altering a system that has been profitable for those that use heavy computer power to record transactions.

Mr. Hearn has been a vocal proponent for expanding the size limits. The problem is bitcoin is open-source software, so any change has to be approved a majority of the community, and it hasn’t been able to agree.

This isn’t the first time somebody has written bitcoin’s obituary. What is different is this obit was being written by a prominent insider, and it hit a raw nerve in the community. The price of bitcoin, which had been stable for months, dropped sharply, down 20% last week to $358. The price regained some ground over the weekend, and many are still defending the currency in the wake of Mr. Hearn’s comments.

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“Bitcoin has long experienced extreme debates and misunderstandings,” said Sean Neville, the president of wallet-services startup Circle. “And it’s another misunderstanding that blockchain technology can fail simply because governance and technical debates grow more difficult as bitcoin matures.”

Bitcoin has always had a divisive edge. Believers laud it as a currency that is free from central banks and a transaction system that works outside the normal financial system. Skeptics see it as a kooky currency whose values soar and crash unpredictably, a casino for computer nerds. Governments can’t even agree whether it is a currency or a commodity.

The current split, however, undermines what many investors see as bitcoin’s most promising invention: the decentralized “blockchain” ledger for maintaining a record of who owns what.

Individual transactions are packaged into blocks and confirmed by a highly complex mathematical “race.” Winners of the race collect a newly minted bitcoin as a reward.

Bitcoin’s code limits the size of those blocks to one megabyte. Changing it requires consent from the so-called miners who have amassed the computing power to handle all the transactions. Mining already is so expensive that it takes company-sized investments to participate. Incumbents fear changing the size limit could affect their economics in unpredictable ways.

Not making a change has ramifications as well. Congestion is already creating long delays in confirming some transactions as the growing network bumps up against the size limit.

In August, Mr. Hearn and Gavin Andresen, one of bitcoin’s core developers, formally proposed raising the limit on the block size via an alternative version of bitcoin called Bitcoin XT, with higher size limits. This was an attempt at what is called in software circles a “hard fork”—creating a new version of a system that forces users to move to a new version.

The fight between backers of XT and the original version, now called Core, has been ugly. It has raged on Reddit and social media, users have been tossed off message boards, and there have been anonymous cyberattacks on users and companies. XT started off strongly, but hasn’t gotten near gaining a consensus for change.

This stalemate is what finally convinced Mr. Hearn that bitcoin was fatally collapsing in on itself. Others are more hopeful.

Yet another proposal, this one called Bitcoin Classic, has emerged from the ashes of the XT/Core debate. It is a version of bitcoin that would allow for a two-megabyte limit, with rules put in place to raise it over time. It appears to be quickly winning support.

“Sometimes it takes a crisis to get everyone in a room,” said Fred Wilson of Union Square Ventures, a venture-capital firm with bitcoin investments, in a philosophical blog post. “That may be how the block-size debate gets settled.”
 

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