Blacklist - new NBC show (2 Viewers)

[ConnSKINS26]

The husband is obviously an assassin, black ops type. The question is, is he working for us, or someone else and the govt is watching him, waiting for him to make contact with whoever he's worked for before.

I'm thinking the Feds know about the husband, maybe just because of his work or his reputation, but don't know about this identity or what his face looks like. So when she ran that bullet through ballistics and it raised a red flag, they now want to know what her connection to this guy is. Probably still don't know it's the husband.

I think it's pretty clear that the guys setting up the surveillance are government types. They worked efficiently as a team (yeah, yeah, insert joke about government employees and state workers here) and deftly avoided the neighbor when she came back to get her purse or whatever. They were trained, and trained to work as a group to get in and out. Someone running in Spader's circles would have probably worked alone and been less...exact in how he acted. Those guys were obviously CIA or something.

The question is, her FBI partner, the Matt Damon ripoff, is the one who brought the ballistics report to his superior...so does he know about this surveillance on the chick he's coming to respect, or did he just hand off the report and now it's over his head?

I don't think the team was government, they were ready to kill the woman when she came back for her purse (guy had his gun out). I don't think spooks would have been authorized to kill just to avoid detection there, they would have used other means. Could be wrong, but I think it's Spader.

You could be right, just didn't get that feeling watching it. Spader already knows about the husband, don't know why he'd need to watch him. Or Lizzy.

 

[shadyridr]

Well surveillance was setup right after Lizzys boss read the classified info on him, so they want us to assume it's the FBI watching him. But what do the classified documents tell us about the husband? And the (murder?) case was worked on by homeland security and dismissed? (do I have that right?) So he's either a black ops or working for the bad guys as a double agent. Or something else.

surveillance was set up before the classified file was found and the guys had guns and were prepared to shoot. Definitely not good guys

 

[Bob Magaw]

i think the bad guy this week is tom noonan...

he was a villain in last action hero, but an earlier role and one that he is probably best known for (to the extent he is known as a largely character actor) - francis "the tooth fairy" dolarhyde in manhunter (the original red dragon, with william peterson as will graham, precursor to silence of the lambs and the hannibal lecter franchise)...

 

[tjnc09]

"Lizzy" leaving the notepad out for her husband to see her TWO notes on him was extremely painful to watch.

It seems like the speech about the farm is supposed to give us a clue about their relationship but Idk what yet.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Spoiler

The Stewmaster General has burns all over from doing his work naked, but Red does not get a single drop on him & his nice suit at the big splash near the end?

 

[Abraham]

Watched the pilot. Pretty good for an nbc show.

 

[Jayrok]

Saw the pilot this weekend. I'm in for the duration as I like this show.

It seems too obvious that he is her father so hopefully he isn't. Maybe her husband is the biggest fish on the list.

 

[tjnc09]

Saw the pilot this weekend. I'm in for the duration as I like this show.

It seems too obvious that he is her father so hopefully he isn't. Maybe her husband is the biggest fish on the list.

That would be interesting and a plausible explanation of why he only chose her

 

[Billy Bats]

Saw the pilot this weekend. I'm in for the duration as I like this show.

It seems too obvious that he is her father so hopefully he isn't. Maybe her husband is the biggest fish on the list.

That would be interesting and a plausible explanation of why he only chose her

Good theories.

 

[bigbottom]

"Lizzy" leaving the notepad out for her husband to see her TWO notes on him was extremely painful to watch.

It seems like the speech about the farm is supposed to give us a clue about their relationship but Idk what yet.

Stewmaker was the farmer.

 

[Billy Bats]

I sometimes tune out when Lizzy and the undercover husband are talking, has she ever mentioned Reddingtons name to her? And did they ever talk about who that guy was and why he was trying to kill him in his own house? I don't seem to remember them ever discussing it.

 

[NCCommish]

I sometimes tune out when Lizzy and the undercover husband are talking, has she ever mentioned Reddingtons name to her? And did they ever talk about who that guy was and why he was trying to kill him in his own house? I don't seem to remember them ever discussing it.

They kind of did but it was one of those "yeah let's just get over it" talks. I think the husband didn't want to hash it out because there was a possibility it wasn't about her work at all but about his. Better to let it slide.

 

[Jayrok]

Elizabeth Keen's father is probably the guy with the apple.

 

[Billy Bats]

I sometimes tune out when Lizzy and the undercover husband are talking, has she ever mentioned Reddingtons name to her? And did they ever talk about who that guy was and why he was trying to kill him in his own house? I don't seem to remember them ever discussing it.

They kind of did but it was one of those "yeah let's just get over it" talks. I think the husband didn't want to hash it out because there was a possibility it wasn't about her work at all but about his. Better to let it slide.

Ok that's what I was thinking as well. Just wanted to confirm that they glossed over that whole situation.

The other thing is the photo he took out of the stew makers album. Any significance going forward or just someone he killed that Red knew, which is why the stew was on his list?

 

[Billy Bats]

It seems too obvious that he is her father so hopefully he isn't. Maybe her husband is the biggest fish on the list.

Based on the clues from the last episode and from the pilot, in the writing and the way it's written, it appears that

- Elizabeth Keane's father is actually still alive

- Raymond Reddington and Keane's father are not the same person

- Raymond Reddington and Keane's father are enemies, both are high level criminals

- Keane's father is responsible for the death of someone Reddington loves

- Reddington is using the "list" as revenge for anyone associated with Keane's father who was involved in the death/coverup

- Keane's father is dying, needs a massive amount of organ transplants, and the only way to farm them is to get harvest them from Keane

- The "husband" works for Keane's father, his job is to protect her and keep her "body" safe, and also to get her pregnant, as he needs the stem cells to recover.

- Reddington wants to use Keane to wipe out her father's contacts on that list, then use Keane as his main point of revenge. He's only "protecting her" in so much as he wants to save her for his end game.

- Writing convention will generally dictate that the death that pushes Keane is of his own daughter, and that Keane becomes his surrogate daughter over time, which drives the conflict in him about what he is doing.

It sounded good up until start of the dying, organ transplant part. Keen and her spyman are trying to adopt.

 

[NCCommish]

I sometimes tune out when Lizzy and the undercover husband are talking, has she ever mentioned Reddingtons name to her? And did they ever talk about who that guy was and why he was trying to kill him in his own house? I don't seem to remember them ever discussing it.

They kind of did but it was one of those "yeah let's just get over it" talks. I think the husband didn't want to hash it out because there was a possibility it wasn't about her work at all but about his. Better to let it slide.

Ok that's what I was thinking as well. Just wanted to confirm that they glossed over that whole situation.

The other thing is the photo he took out of the stew makers album. Any significance going forward or just someone he killed that Red knew, which is why the stew was on his list?

Not much seems to bother him but that picture had an effect. I assumed it was someone close to him. Plus he seemed to take a bit of personal pleasure in acid splashing the guy.

 

[NCCommish]

Another pretty good episode. And it revealed the beginnings of the back story about why Spader is doing this. It was telling that his associate asked why he didn't use NSA guy to find their Adversary and instead used it to get Lizzy info on the husband. I think they are doing a nice job adding on the layers. Let's hope they don't lose the thread of it like Lost did.

 

[Limp Ditka]

i think the bad guy this week is tom noonan...

he was a villain in last action hero, but an earlier role and one that he is probably best known for (to the extent he is known as a largely character actor) - francis "the tooth fairy" dolarhyde in manhunter (the original red dragon, with william peterson as will graham, precursor to silence of the lambs and the hannibal lecter franchise)...

just catching up. good call on Noonan. Had that identified as soon as he took off the wig in the beginning of the episode.

also a nice tribute to Dollarhyde by having her strapped to the wheelchair like the he did the reporter in Manhunter.

 

[bigbottom]

T-Bag!

Spoiler

So here's what I got from the latest episode:

Red has a crony

Red has an unknown nemesis

Assuming now that the surveillance guys aren't with Red (by the way back to back scenes at the end of the episode were sequenced)

Tom is a double agent - seems to be Russian agent that started working for U.S.

Killed Russian agent

Not clear yet why he is married to Elizabeth.

Did I miss anything important?

 

[Daywalker]

Nitpicking i guess, but wouldn't the FBI as they rack their brains for a connection between Red and Beth do a blood test?

Red was in love with Beth's mom. Seeing Beth is just him getting to remember the only thing he loved. Twist in the end is Red really is Beth's father and he doesn't even know it. Boom.

 

[bigbottom]

The two new shows I'm watching this fall are The Blacklist and Marvel Agents of SHIELD. The parallels in cast structure are uncanny:

Female rookie team member: Elizabeth Keen; Skye

Bland but good looking male superior officer and mentor: Donald Ressler; Grant Ward (you know they're bland when you hardly remember their character names)

Additional badass (and ethnic) female team member: CIA Agent Meera Malik; Pilot Melinda May

Literal/figurative team leader who always seems privy to secret info: Raymond "Red" Reddington; Phil Coulson

Love interest of female lead who isn't what he claims to be: Tom Keen, Miles Lydon

Assortment of dispatched bad guys with quirky names: The Freelancer, The Stewmaker, The Courier, Gravitron (though name not mentioned on screen), Scorch

Okay, admittedly, a couple of these are a stretch.

 

[NCCommish]

The two new shows I'm watching this fall are The Blacklist and Marvel Agents of SHIELD. The parallels in cast structure are uncanny:

Female rookie team member: Elizabeth Keen; Skye

Bland but good looking male superior officer and mentor: Donald Ressler; Grant Ward (you know they're bland when you hardly remember their character names)

Additional badass (and ethnic) female team member: CIA Agent Meera Malik; Pilot Melinda May

Literal/figurative team leader who always seems privy to secret info: Raymond "Red" Reddington; Phil Coulson

Love interest of female lead who isn't what he claims to be: Tom Keen, Miles Lydon

Assortment of dispatched bad guys with quirky names: The Freelancer, The Stewmaker, The Courier, Gravitron (though name not mentioned on screen), Scorch

Okay, admittedly, a couple of these are a stretch.

I really hadn't noticed it but you are right the structure is fairly close character wise. Although I would say Red is more in the know than Coulson because Red is running a game on the FBI and Coulson doesn't know he was never in Tahiti.

 

[Sinn Fein]

The two new shows I'm watching this fall are The Blacklist and Marvel Agents of SHIELD. The parallels in cast structure are uncanny:

Female rookie team member: Elizabeth Keen; Skye

Bland but good looking male superior officer and mentor: Donald Ressler; Grant Ward (you know they're bland when you hardly remember their character names)

Additional badass (and ethnic) female team member: CIA Agent Meera Malik; Pilot Melinda May

Literal/figurative team leader who always seems privy to secret info: Raymond "Red" Reddington; Phil Coulson

Love interest of female lead who isn't what he claims to be: Tom Keen, Miles Lydon

Assortment of dispatched bad guys with quirky names: The Freelancer, The Stewmaker, The Courier, Gravitron (though name not mentioned on screen), Scorch

Okay, admittedly, a couple of these are a stretch.

I really hadn't noticed it but you are right the structure is fairly close character wise. Although I would say Red is more in the know than Coulson because Red is running a game on the FBI and Coulson doesn't know he was never in Tahiti.

I don't know any of the backstory here - I have seen this alluded to in the first couple of shows, but is this something we are supposed to know?

 

[Sinn Fein]

The two new shows I'm watching this fall are The Blacklist and Marvel Agents of SHIELD. The parallels in cast structure are uncanny:

Female rookie team member: Elizabeth Keen; Skye

Bland but good looking male superior officer and mentor: Donald Ressler; Grant Ward (you know they're bland when you hardly remember their character names)

Additional badass (and ethnic) female team member: CIA Agent Meera Malik; Pilot Melinda May

Literal/figurative team leader who always seems privy to secret info: Raymond "Red" Reddington; Phil Coulson

Love interest of female lead who isn't what he claims to be: Tom Keen, Miles Lydon

Assortment of dispatched bad guys with quirky names: The Freelancer, The Stewmaker, The Courier, Gravitron (though name not mentioned on screen), Scorch

Okay, admittedly, a couple of these are a stretch.

Whoa - they even share the same initials.

 

[NCCommish]

The two new shows I'm watching this fall are The Blacklist and Marvel Agents of SHIELD. The parallels in cast structure are uncanny:

Female rookie team member: Elizabeth Keen; Skye

Bland but good looking male superior officer and mentor: Donald Ressler; Grant Ward (you know they're bland when you hardly remember their character names)

Additional badass (and ethnic) female team member: CIA Agent Meera Malik; Pilot Melinda May

Literal/figurative team leader who always seems privy to secret info: Raymond "Red" Reddington; Phil Coulson

Love interest of female lead who isn't what he claims to be: Tom Keen, Miles Lydon

Assortment of dispatched bad guys with quirky names: The Freelancer, The Stewmaker, The Courier, Gravitron (though name not mentioned on screen), Scorch

Okay, admittedly, a couple of these are a stretch.

I really hadn't noticed it but you are right the structure is fairly close character wise. Although I would say Red is more in the know than Coulson because Red is running a game on the FBI and Coulson doesn't know he was never in Tahiti.

I don't know any of the backstory here - I have seen this alluded to in the first couple of shows, but is this something we are supposed to know?

No it's a guess on my part based on all the little clues they have put out there.

 

[Billy Bats]

The husband storyline was a little disappointing last night. It didn't pick up a lot of steam and they kind of left it in the background. I thought it was going to open up a lot more questions than it did, I guess they want to string it along as much as possible.

At least we know the people watching the house are the Russians.

 

[phatdawg]

The two new shows I'm watching this fall are The Blacklist and Marvel Agents of SHIELD. The parallels in cast structure are uncanny:

Female rookie team member: Elizabeth Keen; Skye

Bland but good looking male superior officer and mentor: Donald Ressler; Grant Ward (you know they're bland when you hardly remember their character names)

Additional badass (and ethnic) female team member: CIA Agent Meera Malik; Pilot Melinda May

Literal/figurative team leader who always seems privy to secret info: Raymond "Red" Reddington; Phil Coulson

Love interest of female lead who isn't what he claims to be: Tom Keen, Miles Lydon

Assortment of dispatched bad guys with quirky names: The Freelancer, The Stewmaker, The Courier, Gravitron (though name not mentioned on screen), Scorch

Okay, admittedly, a couple of these are a stretch.

Whoa - they even share the same initials.

And both former ER cast members.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

OnDemand has a little 5 minute behind the scenes for each episode, worth it just to see the actors out of character.

edit: watch it after the episode because of spoilers...

 

[Beerguzzler]

I'm dissapointed that the Husband isn't a double agent. That seemed like a much better plot twist.

 

[Jayrok]

I'm dissapointed that the Husband isn't a double agent. That seemed like a much better plot twist.

Stay tuned.

 

[NCCommish]

I'm dissapointed that the Husband isn't a double agent. That seemed like a much better plot twist.

Stay tuned.

Yeah seems pretty obvious that story isn't done.

 

[The Z Machine]

The writing is even worse than the acting on this show (and that's saying something). Compare the storylines, or hell even the production quality, on this show to The Americans. It's amazing to me that network TV can get it so wrong, while cable channels like FX and AMC can get it right.

 

[bigbottom]

I'm dissapointed that the Husband isn't a double agent. That seemed like a much better plot twist.

Stay tuned.

Yeah seems pretty obvious that story isn't done.

Sure. But why would the Russian chick cover for him if he's a double agent (Russian agent working for U.S.)?

 

[Jayrok]

I'm dissapointed that the Husband isn't a double agent. That seemed like a much better plot twist.

Stay tuned.

Yeah seems pretty obvious that story isn't done.

Sure. But why would the Russian chick cover for him if he's a double agent (Russian agent working for U.S.)?

Maybe she doesn't know. She's a hired assassin, I didn't get the impression that she was a spy that the Russians would keep in the know. In any case, the people watching the house doesn't know who he is working for but they don't believe he is just a husband and school teacher.

 

[NCCommish]

I'm dissapointed that the Husband isn't a double agent. That seemed like a much better plot twist.

Stay tuned.

Yeah seems pretty obvious that story isn't done.

Sure. But why would the Russian chick cover for him if he's a double agent (Russian agent working for U.S.)?

Why wouldn't she lie to protect her lover? That is if Red is telling the truth.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I'm dissapointed that the Husband isn't a double agent. That seemed like a much better plot twist.

Stay tuned.

Yeah seems pretty obvious that story isn't done.

Sure. But why would the Russian chick cover for him if he's a double agent (Russian agent working for U.S.)?

Why wouldn't she lie to protect her lover? That is if Red is telling the truth.

I think there is always a little truth in everything Red says - the best lies are built on truths.

I still don't know if he is trying to protect Keen or play her for his own purposes, but either way, he clearly wants her trust, so I suspect he is being truthful on some level.

 

[NCCommish]

I'm dissapointed that the Husband isn't a double agent. That seemed like a much better plot twist.

Stay tuned.

Yeah seems pretty obvious that story isn't done.

Sure. But why would the Russian chick cover for him if he's a double agent (Russian agent working for U.S.)?

Why wouldn't she lie to protect her lover? That is if Red is telling the truth.

I think there is always a little truth in everything Red says - the best lies are built on truths.

I still don't know if he is trying to protect Keen or play her for his own purposes, but either way, he clearly wants her trust, so I suspect he is being truthful on some level.

Yeah I am assuming we will find out the husband is definitely not who he pretends to be. He may not be a bad guy but he isn't a school teacher. Too easy to make it look like Red is lying and he needs her for something.

 

[GDogg]

 

[bigbottom]

I'm dissapointed that the Husband isn't a double agent. That seemed like a much better plot twist.

Stay tuned.

Yeah seems pretty obvious that story isn't done.

Sure. But why would the Russian chick cover for him if he's a double agent (Russian agent working for U.S.)?

Why wouldn't she lie to protect her lover? That is if Red is telling the truth.

I think there is always a little truth in everything Red says - the best lies are built on truths.

I still don't know if he is trying to protect Keen or play her for his own purposes, but either way, he clearly wants her trust, so I suspect he is being truthful on some level.

Yeah I am assuming we will find out the husband is definitely not who he pretends to be. He may not be a bad guy but he isn't a school teacher. Too easy to make it look like Red is lying and he needs her for something.

Oh, I definitely agree that he's not just a school teacher. But the double agent thing doesn't seem to work for me. But I'm sure additional things could get fleshed out to make it work.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I'm dissapointed that the Husband isn't a double agent. That seemed like a much better plot twist.

Stay tuned.

Yeah seems pretty obvious that story isn't done.

Sure. But why would the Russian chick cover for him if he's a double agent (Russian agent working for U.S.)?

Why wouldn't she lie to protect her lover? That is if Red is telling the truth.

I think there is always a little truth in everything Red says - the best lies are built on truths.

I still don't know if he is trying to protect Keen or play her for his own purposes, but either way, he clearly wants her trust, so I suspect he is being truthful on some level.

Yeah I am assuming we will find out the husband is definitely not who he pretends to be. He may not be a bad guy but he isn't a school teacher. Too easy to make it look like Red is lying and he needs her for something.

Oh, I definitely agree that he's not just a school teacher. But the double agent thing doesn't seem to work for me. But I'm sure additional things could get fleshed out to make it work.

We've been through the "Red is her father or brother/friend of her father". What if schoolteacher is his son? Not too many would be guessing that a 4th grade teacher is the son of an international criminal.

 

[Bob Magaw]

the double agent angle seems like red herring...

double agent would mean American agent turning, or a Russian agent turning...

either way, the CIA would know (unless an off the books operative like don cheadle in traitor, or the undercover cop in Japanese movie infernal affairs - basis for the departed)...

we don't know much about his background, but seemingly the CIA would (there, too, I guess records could be doctored and identities manufactured and planted, with inside help)... if he grew up in soviet union, that might be suggestive... maybe Russians recruit american civilians to become spies out of the blue (al queda recruits bombers that way), but I think more commonly they recruit active spies (from cold war, but British/Soviet double agent Kim Philby, for instance).

 

[Mile High]

I'm dissapointed that the Husband isn't a double agent. That seemed like a much better plot twist.

Stay tuned.

Yeah seems pretty obvious that story isn't done.

Sure. But why would the Russian chick cover for him if he's a double agent (Russian agent working for U.S.)?

Why wouldn't she lie to protect her lover? That is if Red is telling the truth.

I think there is always a little truth in everything Red says - the best lies are built on truths.

I still don't know if he is trying to protect Keen or play her for his own purposes, but either way, he clearly wants her trust, so I suspect he is being truthful on some level.

Yeah I am assuming we will find out the husband is definitely not who he pretends to be. He may not be a bad guy but he isn't a school teacher. Too easy to make it look like Red is lying and he needs her for something.

Oh, I definitely agree that he's not just a school teacher. But the double agent thing doesn't seem to work for me. But I'm sure additional things could get fleshed out to make it work.

We've been through the "Red is her father or brother/friend of her father". What if schoolteacher is his son? Not too many would be guessing that a 4th grade teacher is the son of an international criminal.

I was thinking that myself. In one of the episodes they showed a picture of Red and then flashed to the husband. They kind of looked alike in that brief scene.

 

[oso diablo]

"Red" will always be Ellis Boyd Redding to me. Need a new nickname here.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

"Red" will always be Ellis Boyd Redding to me. Need a new nickname here.

Sorry, but this is Red

 

[Aerial Assault]

Just got caught up after racking up three on the DVR (Stewmaster, Courier, Gina Russkichick). I continue to appreciate the cinematic quality of this show and how cleverly it's plotted. It's also really dark and the unsettling suspense vibe is palpable. I too was hoping for a little more resolution on the husband, but we got some backstory color through Red's henchman's awesomely mysterious mention of "our adversary," and the apple-eating surveillance guys gave us a few new clues.

I continue to dig Megan Boone (whom I've never seen in anything before) in this. She acts the part well and she's really, really cute. I dug when she moved the hair off her face with the barrette in "The Courier." IDK if she's quite tall enough, but Warner should have their eye on her if they plan to have Wonder Woman as part of a Justice League franchise (which they certainly should). Her face is perfect for the part.

Great show that has really provided the antidote/cure to these network shows in recent seasons that clearly can't go anywhere after S1 (The Event, Last Resort, The Following, Hostages, Under the Dumb).

 

[tjnc09]

Great show that has really provided the antidote/cure to these network shows in recent seasons that clearly can't go anywhere after S1 (The Event, Last Resort, The Following, Hostages, Under the Dumb).

Prison Break was the worst one for me. I really enjoyed the show while they were in prison but once he escaped, there really was no way that show could survive.

 

[GTBilly]

Great show that has really provided the antidote/cure to these network shows in recent seasons that clearly can't go anywhere after S1 (The Event, Last Resort, The Following, Hostages, Under the Dumb).

Prison Break was the worst one for me. I really enjoyed the show while they were in prison but once he escaped, there really was no way that show could survive.

Amusing how a show called Prison Break sucked after all the breaking out if prison was done.

 

[shadyridr]

I'm dissapointed that the Husband isn't a double agent. That seemed like a much better plot twist.

huh? Did you see the end?

 

[seahawk 17]

I did like when Red said, "That's my girl."

 

[Billy Bats]

They're really pushing Red as being her father, can't be that simple, right?