Bloom's Chris Johnson ranking... (1 Viewer)

[lebowski]

Calling Bloom or others willing to support this one. Chris Johnson as a top 5 RB this week? I love the kid but I'm not willing to go this far just yet. Anyone willing to argue for this. I don't know if I see it just yet. I still see LenDale getting some carries as part of a committee. Do people see him getting 20+ carries or are they banking on the big play ability here?

PS for those who are sick of Chris Johnson threads that's fine...don't read this then. I would like some good old honest discussion please.

 

[Max Power]

Blooms talks about it on the Audible...

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=421193

He basically calls out the fact that Johnson is the best weapon the Titans have and the RBBC was looking closer to 70/30 in favor of Johnson before cramps hit him last week.

 

[replacements]

I think johnson could see as many as 25 touches this week. Roughly 18 rush and 7 rec. 160 total yds and 1 td.

As far as the cincy offense goes, I don't see them being on the field a whole lot this week. The team is really flat right now. The rushing game is non-existent going against a sout titans rush def. The passing game isn't much better at this point. I will concede that palmer johnson and housh always have potential,but this year I'll have to see it befor I give them any real credit for being a threat.

That said, fisher like to run, so I don't see why ####e and johnson won't see 15+ rushes again. Johnson should be a real nice outlet for collins this week. I figure he should get about 7 rec. Possibly more. Also cincy couldn't tackle anyone last week, let alone someone with Johnson's speed and moves. So I like Blooms ranking this week. It may be a bit gutsy, but not really a bad call when you look at how the game sets up.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Cincinnati's downfield tackling was downright atrocious last week. Joe Flacco ran for a 38 yard TD! JOE FLACCO! This is roughly akin to Ben Roethlisberger or Byron Leftwich scoring on a long run. Mark Clayton scored a 42 yard double reverse. Double reverses NEVER work.

So you have a poor tackling team, and a running back who has the speed to get to the second level in an instant.

I see AT LEAST one long touchdown for Johnson.

On top of that you have the real split. People see 50/50 in the final stats, but Johnson had 8 carries to White's 3 in the first half. The split was 15 to 8 when Johnson left with a cramp in the 4th quarter. Not to mention Johnson, NOT WHITE, being in the goal line package in the first half (and scoring the TD on a reception).

I am basically predicting Johnson to do the same statistically as he did last week - even though last week he faced a much, much stiffer run defense, and he missed the final two drives of the game. I haven't even mentioned the possibility of Kerry Collins coming in revitalizing the passing game and opening up even more for Johnson. I'm not sure why it's so controversial to say that Johnson will produce as well this week vs. Cincinnati as he did last week vs. Jacksonville.

That being said, I'm always open to other points of view, so if you think I'm crazy on this one, tell me why.

 

[lebowski]

He basically calls out the fact that Johnson is the best weapon the Titans have and the RBBC was looking closer to 70/30 in favor of Johnson before cramps hit him last week.

Anyone in the loop in Tenn. hear anything about the split or is this conjecture at this point? I do know Johnson seemed to get most of the carries last week until he got hurt, but is that the plan going forward?

 

[lebowski]

Cincinnati's downfield tackling was downright atrocious last week. Joe Flacco ran for a 38 yard TD! JOE FLACCO! This is roughly akin to Ben Roethlisberger or Byron Leftwich scoring on a long run. Mark Clayton scored a 42 yard double reverse. Double reverses NEVER work. So you have a poor tackling team, and a running back who has the speed to get to the second level in an instant. I see AT LEAST one long touchdown for Johnson.On top of that you have the real split. People see 50/50 in the final stats, but Johnson had 8 carries to White's 3 in the first half. The split was 15 to 8 when Johnson left with a cramp in the 4th quarter. Not to mention Johnson, NOT WHITE, being in the goal line package in the first half (and scoring the TD on a reception).I am basically predicting Johnson to do the same statistically as he did last week - even though last week he faced a much, much stiffer run defense, and he missed the final two drives of the game. I haven't even mentioned the possibility of Kerry Collins coming in revitalizing the passing game and opening up even more for Johnson. I'm not sure why it's so controversial to say that Johnson will produce as well this week vs. Cincinnati as he did last week vs. Jacksonville.That being said, I'm always open to other points of view, so if you think I'm crazy on this one, tell me why.

Not crazy Bloom, just wanted an explanation and I appreciate yours. Just seems bold to me based on one weeks worth of observations. At the same time it wouldn't surprise me at all if top 5 happened. For me it is always risk vs. reward. Johnson still seems risky to me at this point but the reward could be huge. Thanks for the quick response and discussion.

 

[buck naked]

Cincinnati's downfield tackling was downright atrocious last week. Joe Flacco ran for a 38 yard TD! JOE FLACCO! This is roughly akin to Ben Roethlisberger or Byron Leftwich scoring on a long run. Mark Clayton scored a 42 yard double reverse. Double reverses NEVER work. So you have a poor tackling team, and a running back who has the speed to get to the second level in an instant. I see AT LEAST one long touchdown for Johnson.On top of that you have the real split. People see 50/50 in the final stats, but Johnson had 8 carries to White's 3 in the first half. The split was 15 to 8 when Johnson left with a cramp in the 4th quarter. Not to mention Johnson, NOT WHITE, being in the goal line package in the first half (and scoring the TD on a reception).I am basically predicting Johnson to do the same statistically as he did last week - even though last week he faced a much, much stiffer run defense, and he missed the final two drives of the game. I haven't even mentioned the possibility of Kerry Collins coming in revitalizing the passing game and opening up even more for Johnson. I'm not sure why it's so controversial to say that Johnson will produce as well this week vs. Cincinnati as he did last week vs. Jacksonville.That being said, I'm always open to other points of view, so if you think I'm crazy on this one, tell me why.

Not crazy Bloom, just wanted an explanation and I appreciate yours. Just seems bold to me based on one weeks worth of observations. At the same time it wouldn't surprise me at all if top 5 happened. For me it is always risk vs. reward. Johnson still seems risky to me at this point but the reward could be huge. Thanks for the quick response and discussion.

It IS bold, but thank God somebody has the courage to do it rather than getting the same old tired rankings. Johnson is the only serious playmaker on Tennessee. He HAS to play twice the snaps of LenDale unless Tennessee is grinding out the clock.I took Johnson at 5.2 of the WCOFF main event last weekend. He is way too dynamic to keep off the field. Last week was more than just a one game performance - it proved to me that Johnson is going to be the man on the field for Tennessee.

 

[BroadwayG]

I find it more interesting that neither projects a 300 yard passing game from any QB this week.

 

[HellToupee]

He basically calls out the fact that Johnson is the best weapon the Titans have and the RBBC was looking closer to 70/30 in favor of Johnson before cramps hit him last week.

Anyone in the loop in Tenn. hear anything about the split or is this conjecture at this point? I do know Johnson seemed to get most of the carries last week until he got hurt, but is that the plan going forward?

it wasn't a split between Johnson & White last week until Johnson left the game with cramps

 

[I Am Rick James]

I think Bloom's prediction is semi-valid. I am even considering starting him over Lynch, but will probably chicken out because of the Titans QB situation. I just don't know what to expect with a Collins led offense.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I think Bloom's prediction is semi-valid. I am even considering starting him over Lynch, but will probably chicken out because of the Titans QB situation. I just don't know what to expect with a Collins led offense.

Last year when Collins was in for the Houston game, White had 27/104/1 4/22/0 and Chris Henry had 11/57/1 2/12/0.I would feel comfortable expecting similar numbers from the rushing offense against Cincy. When Collins was in the offense ran much smoother, and Roydell Williams seemed to come alive with 5/124, including a long catch that set up the dramatic and record breaking game winner by Bironas.

 

[lebowski]

He basically calls out the fact that Johnson is the best weapon the Titans have and the RBBC was looking closer to 70/30 in favor of Johnson before cramps hit him last week.

Anyone in the loop in Tenn. hear anything about the split or is this conjecture at this point? I do know Johnson seemed to get most of the carries last week until he got hurt, but is that the plan going forward?

it wasn't a split between Johnson & White last week until Johnson left the game with cramps

I acknowledged that, but is there any word that it will continue? I'm not familiar with Jeff Fisher...is he a coach that hides stuff. From what I heard Johnson even started last week, but no one knew it until they lined up for their first offensive play.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I think Bloom's prediction is semi-valid. I am even considering starting him over Lynch, but will probably chicken out because of the Titans QB situation. I just don't know what to expect with a Collins led offense.

I'm starting Chris Johnson over Steven Jackson this week, and I haven't had second thoughts at all.

 

[LHUCKS]

Excellent call. I don't understand why the other sites have him around 20 or lower...he's going to be the focal point on Sunday.

 

[TheSoup]

Another point to add is that, there is a very good chance that the Titans Defense shuts down the Cincinnati Offense, thus, keeping the Titans Offense on the field with a lead.

18 carries, 115 yards(floor), 5 receptions, 45 yards, 2 TDs

Just because he is a rookie, people want to sleep on him, but I say go ahead. People won't take him seriously until he's done it a few times, but by that time, he will have already won me 3-4 games.

 

[lebowski]

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for keeping this a good discussion thread.

 

[Ripleys]

I think Bloom is dead on here. I'm confidently starting CJ3 over MJD in 2 different PPR leagues.

 

[grouse]

I think it's totally refreshing to see some rankings that challenge the norm and go out on a limb. I think a lot of fantasy experts believe Chris Johnson can be top-10 this week, but few are prepared to put him there for fear of being totally wrong. Instead they hug the baseline and stick Johnson in the low-20's or high-teens and ultimately this does not really give the kind of 'opinion' or true insight that fantasy owners can hang their hat on. Applause for Mr. Bloom, right or wrong.

 

[Black Label Society]

Man, i love threads like this. I'm playing him in all 3 leagues, and I'm even benching Marion Barber in favor of him in my biggest $$ league.

I just think he's going to go OFF and I want to be there to catch those points.

If you go watch his youtube video from college, you'll see why he's loved so much. What he does in that video is stuff I haven't seen since Deion Sanders, and this guy plays on offense. After watching his first 3 touches last week vs. a very good Jax D...I'm completely sold he's the real deal.

 

[Reverse Angle]

Hmmm...you all are getting me to think that CJ3 is a better start than M. Turner this week. Is it possible to think that after game 2 of the season that Johnson earns a regular starting roster spot...relegating guys like Turner, Jacobs, etc...to the bench??

 

[snapperhead]

I am going to start him over Addai this week.

His upside is much bigger THIS week

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I think this guy is this years ADP. I'm thinking every week starter NOW (yes, already after one week) over Thomas Jones who I specifically drafted to be my #2.

This could be the gutsy call of the year. All the other prognosticators (like has been mentioned already) are hedging their bets on this guy.

Props to Bloom.

 

[lebowski]

I think it's totally refreshing to see some rankings that challenge the norm and go out on a limb. I think a lot of fantasy experts believe Chris Johnson can be top-10 this week, but few are prepared to put him there for fear of being totally wrong. Instead they hug the baseline and stick Johnson in the low-20's or high-teens and ultimately this does not really give the kind of 'opinion' or true insight that fantasy owners can hang their hat on. Applause for Mr. Bloom, right or wrong.

I appreciate Bloom putting himself out there as well, and that is why we can have good discussions like this. My big decision is Johnson vs. R. Grant this week who also has a VERY juicy match-up vs. Detroit. Waiting to hear something today about Grant's condition today, but right now Johnson is starting to seem like maybe he is actually a safer pick this week. Not looking for WDIS advice, that is a decision I will make on my own. But this is some very good discussion.

 

[inca911]

I think it's totally refreshing to see some rankings that challenge the norm and go out on a limb. I think a lot of fantasy experts believe Chris Johnson can be top-10 this week, but few are prepared to put him there for fear of being totally wrong. Instead they hug the baseline and stick Johnson in the low-20's or high-teens and ultimately this does not really give the kind of 'opinion' or true insight that fantasy owners can hang their hat on. Applause for Mr. Bloom, right or wrong.

I appreciate Bloom putting himself out there as well, and that is why we can have good discussions like this. My big decision is Johnson vs. R. Grant this week who also has a VERY juicy match-up vs. Detroit. Waiting to hear something today about Grant's condition today, but right now Johnson is starting to seem like maybe he is actually a safer pick this week. Not looking for WDIS advice, that is a decision I will make on my own. But this is some very good discussion.

Having two other clear starting RBs, I'm fortunate enough to be able to wait this week on CJ3. CJ3 over MJD or Grant seems the way to go.

 

[Romofan]

Hmmm...you all are getting me to think that CJ3 is a better start than M. Turner this week. Is it possible to think that after game 2 of the season that Johnson earns a regular starting roster spot...relegating guys like Turner, Jacobs, etc...to the bench??

I am starting CJohnson over Michael Turner this week. Oh and by the way I also appreciate rankings like this. It clearly shows you have an opinion about a player this week. Seeing CJ at RB20-24 is an indication of a "safe" "lazy man's" rankings IMO. I much prefer to see some differering opinions. Guys in my league think I'm crazy for benching Turner but I see a LONG TD in CJ's future this weekend and think TB may stack the box against ATL. Plus you have to be a little proactive here. By the time CJ is consistently ranked in the top 10 starts he'll have had 3 or 4 huge games already ....ON YOUR BENCH.

 

[Riffraff]

Another site that does projections has him as the #3 RB in PPR and tied for #2 in non-PPR this week. Those projections came out earlier in the week. So Bloom is not alone in his thinking.

 

[ace_spaid]

should i start him over LJ at OAK or LT at DEN.......with a bad toe?

 

[FUBAR]

should i start him over LJ at OAK or LT at DEN.......with a bad toe?

FWIW, I'm probably benching LT for him.

 

[jurrassic]

Cincinnati's downfield tackling was downright atrocious last week. Joe Flacco ran for a 38 yard TD! JOE FLACCO! This is roughly akin to Ben Roethlisberger or Byron Leftwich scoring on a long run. Mark Clayton scored a 42 yard double reverse. Double reverses NEVER work. So you have a poor tackling team, and a running back who has the speed to get to the second level in an instant. I see AT LEAST one long touchdown for Johnson.On top of that you have the real split. People see 50/50 in the final stats, but Johnson had 8 carries to White's 3 in the first half. The split was 15 to 8 when Johnson left with a cramp in the 4th quarter. Not to mention Johnson, NOT WHITE, being in the goal line package in the first half (and scoring the TD on a reception).I am basically predicting Johnson to do the same statistically as he did last week - even though last week he faced a much, much stiffer run defense, and he missed the final two drives of the game. I haven't even mentioned the possibility of Kerry Collins coming in revitalizing the passing game and opening up even more for Johnson. I'm not sure why it's so controversial to say that Johnson will produce as well this week vs. Cincinnati as he did last week vs. Jacksonville.That being said, I'm always open to other points of view, so if you think I'm crazy on this one, tell me why.

should i start him over LJ at OAK or LT at DEN.......with a bad toe?

I have this exact problem. I may sit LJ for him. I don't know about benching LT. I have thought about it, but it seems rather ridiculous. LT is one of only a few rb's who could score 4 td's any week.

 

[yefrorus]

I am a Huge C.Johnson Fan. And I am starting him over R.Bush....Do you think that would be a good idea to do that knowing that Bush will get ALOTTT of receptions?

 

[BroadwayG]

Well this has quickly devolved into an ACF thread.

 

[benm3218]

Lebowski you have been asking if homers knew the splits for RB's. It was not a fluke. For months now Fisher and Dinger have said that CJ was not a third down back that he was an everydown back and that he would be on the field as much as possible. He had taken Whites job before he ever played...

I expect MUCH better production from our offense with Collins in there. Unfortunately it is an upgrade over VY.

Collins isnt bad and is in fact probably better than a few of the starters out there right now. Roll with CJ with confidence.

 

[Das Boot]

Excellent call. I don't understand why the other sites have him around 20 or lower...he's going to be the focal point on Sunday.

lhucks in the main Chris Johnson thread:

I hope this allows Lendale to slide to me even further in drafts.

I'll be bumping this thread just to keep the hype alive.

I was able to move Johnson/Graham/Rivers for Lynch.

Great trade and good posting...take advantage of the hype and dump this guy.

It reminds me of the VY hype...people ignore certain facets of a players game because of the "wow" factor in other facets.

 

[nyGIANTSnj]

I've had LT for 5 years now and i actually considering starting C. Johnson over LT. LT does have a busted toe and is questionable even though he'll probably play. I don't know what to do

 

[benm3218]

I've had LT for 5 years now and i actually considering starting C. Johnson over LT. LT does have a busted toe and is questionable even though he'll probably play. I don't know what to do

play CJ.... Why not? LT might be out and is hurt? Seems pretty simple to me. Just do it.

 

[two_dollars]

I think his projections are very high. I don't see more than 120 total yards and a touchdown from him this week. Yes, it's the Cinci defense, but he won't be a suprise like he was week 1. They will key on him.

 

[Black Label Society]

If Light Blue Jesus doesn't rush for 200yds and 3TD's it's going to be a huge disappointment for this thread.

:fingerscrossed:

 

[Bears_Man2]

Like the ranking.

I have him ranked Top 5 as well (PPR format). There's not a single facet of Johnson's game that I saw in Week 1 that is inferior to Lendale White.

 

[lebowski]

Lebowski you have been asking if homers knew the splits for RB's. It was not a fluke. For months now Fisher and Dinger have said that CJ was not a third down back that he was an everydown back and that he would be on the field as much as possible. He had taken Whites job before he ever played... I expect MUCH better production from our offense with Collins in there. Unfortunately it is an upgrade over VY. Collins isnt bad and is in fact probably better than a few of the starters out there right now. Roll with CJ with confidence.

Thanks for the information and keeping this thread on topic.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

I think Bloom's prediction is semi-valid. I am even considering starting him over Lynch, but will probably chicken out because of the Titans QB situation. I just don't know what to expect with a Collins led offense.

I'm starting Chris Johnson over Steven Jackson this week, and I haven't had second thoughts at all.

I'm starting Johnson over Jackson in one of my leagues. I put him in my lineup on Tuesday morning and have not had any second thoughts either. I am thrilled to have him on almost every team I own this year. Pretty much plan on starting him the rest of the year, sans match-ups that are clearly better for another back on my roster, whomever & whenever that may be.I am in agreement with Bloom's ranking this week, as I think "Flash" will go off big time.

 

[notdarkyet]

Meh. Just when I think I have made a logical decision, I get validation of my gut instinct.

 

[enfuego]

A whole lotta love for CJ in here... ...It's almost sickening. That being said. he goes OFF on the Bengals.

 

[PumpusX]

Well this has quickly devolved into an ACF thread.

You have lovely breasts, Fraulein.

 

[jagbag]

should i start him over LJ at OAK or LT at DEN.......with a bad toe?

FWIW, I'm probably benching LT for him.

I've already done the same. The toe issue has me I'll give LT this week off to see how he is.Johnson gets the start along with Fast Willie.

 

[munchkin]

I am starting him alongg with Westy for the second week in a row. He is my best option anyway with MJD, R Brown and Lendale staying on the bench until further notice.

 

[cascaa]

I think Bloom's prediction is semi-valid. I am even considering starting him over Lynch, but will probably chicken out because of the Titans QB situation. I just don't know what to expect with a Collins led offense.

I put CJ in for Lynch already I expect cj taking the first handoff to the house for 60 yds.

 

[Meat]

I've had LT for 5 years now and i actually considering starting C. Johnson over LT. LT does have a busted toe and is questionable even though he'll probably play. I don't know what to do :(

I would hold off on this... LT is solid, and yes he's a little dinged but *IS* playing, and likewise has historically done very well against Denver. I am a CJ owner, but I'm still not totally buying into the hype. I am starting him this week, but if I was an LT owner not a chance would I start him over LT. I certainly like CJ's prospects for this season, but I do think it's getting a bit crazy. This week is an excellent match up for him though, and I hope he is able to exploit it!

 

[benm3218]

I've had LT for 5 years now and i actually considering starting C. Johnson over LT. LT does have a busted toe and is questionable even though he'll probably play. I don't know what to do

I would hold off on this... LT is solid, and yes he's a little dinged but *IS* playing, and likewise has historically done very well against Denver. I am a CJ owner, but I'm still not totally buying into the hype. I am starting him this week, but if I was an LT owner not a chance would I start him over LT. I certainly like CJ's prospects for this season, but I do think it's getting a bit crazy. This week is an excellent match up for him though, and I hope he is able to exploit it!

So LT is hurt and playing but unknown how much, or for how long... This is an "excellent matchup" for CJ but you wouldn't start him?START HIM

 

[Meat]

I've had LT for 5 years now and i actually considering starting C. Johnson over LT. LT does have a busted toe and is questionable even though he'll probably play. I don't know what to do

I would hold off on this... LT is solid, and yes he's a little dinged but *IS* playing, and likewise has historically done very well against Denver. I am a CJ owner, but I'm still not totally buying into the hype. I am starting him this week, but if I was an LT owner not a chance would I start him over LT. I certainly like CJ's prospects for this season, but I do think it's getting a bit crazy. This week is an excellent match up for him though, and I hope he is able to exploit it!

So LT is hurt and playing but unknown how much, or for how long... This is an "excellent matchup" for CJ but you wouldn't start him?START HIM

Over LT? No.

 

[ratbast]

I cant believe Im reading this. I traded him yesterday for SHolmes. (I still have Westy, SJax, RBush and JStewart in a keeper)

I liked him enough to draft him earlier than my league but the hype has overpassed his value. The same argument the hype uses "he's their only weapon" is the biggest reason why I moved him. No wrs, White for some TDs and Kerry Cocktail Collins pitching again after spending the last 5 years in the minors. Ummm, no thanks.