Blowing up a dynasty team (1 Viewer)

[mr roboto]

I don't want to post my roster because its not specifically about that. Just looking for general advice.

I have a very solid team. Top 4 each year. But I lack those 'big points' players (except for one stud RB).

I've got a good mix of top vets and younger talent. Never trade my vets because I'm always thinking I could win. Always try to make an acquisition via trade in the offseason to strengthen my team.

6 straight playoff years, 5 4th place and 1 3rd place finish.

I got rolled by a team that had Cam, Brady and AP this week. Game changers. I don't have those. The other 9 guys on my team outscored the other 9 guys on his team. Didn't matter. Never does.

I'm the Minnesota ####### Twins of FF (nice roster, hard to root against, not enough to win it all).

I want to do something drastic. Sell the stud RB (top 3 in redraft and top 5 in dynasty), top 10 veteran WR, a few top 20 WRs (young) and a vet top 15 QB.

Start over. Do I pile draft picks? Trade for young guys in the league that are on the rise? Do like I do every year and find that 'missing piece'?

 

[jonboltz]

-Don't sell anyone that will still be valuable in 2014.

-Go for quality over quantity.

 

[Warhogs]

This is a tough situation and difficult to comment on without seeing the roster. I think overall you may take a bigger step back by trading away current studs and hoping you draft the right rookies (especially this year when I'm not sure there is a true stud player).

If I am reading your post correctly and your QB is a top 15 but not top 5 that might be part of your issue. You may be best off trying to trade off some of those young top 20 WR and draft picks for an elite QB.

Try to move the young guys and picks with always trying to increase your starters points.

I am not in favor of blowing up a good dynasty squad because the rebuild process can be so hit and miss.

 

[solorca]

I've been playing in Dynasty for quite a while now, and the biggest mistake I see is when people decide to blow up a team, and they go too far. I never buy into the strategy of selling out an entire roster for youth or picks. I'd much rather trade someone like Arian Foster in their prime for a Lesean McCoy (coming off a relatively disappointing season) and a future 1st (preferably for this season). In this case, you're getting a younger stud (who has already performed at a high level) along with a pick. I'd then hold on to that until rookie fever is sweeping everyone up, and I'd turn that pick into a relatively underperforming player and a later pick.

For instance, last year I started with the 1.05 pick in a league that I was in (ended up being David Wilson). I traded that pick for Aaron Hernandez and the 1.08. I then traded the 1.08 for Steven Ridley and the 2.02. I traded the 2.02 for Michael Crabtree and a future 3rd rounder.

Along with a few other trades (I gave up next years first and second, along with Philip Rivers for Tom Brady to a rebuilding team late in the year - actually did this in two leagues), I turned a 3-10 team from last year into an 8-5 team that's playing in the championship game next week.

Honestly, I got lucky with a few moves panning out, but the fact remains that you don't neccessarily need to blow up a team to get yourself where you need to be. I'd recommend starting with your second best player (I'd personally keep a top 5 dynasty RB if I have other top 5-10 level players I could move) and try to work with that to slowly build up some underperforming but talented players, along with some picks that you can move for other players/picks. If there is a rookie that you love, there is no reason not to take them, but I've always been fond of treating rookie picks as trading chips, personally. It's worked rather well for me...although I'll admit that it's blown up in my face once or twice, but when that happens, I'm at the bottom of the barrel and blowing up a team anyway. More often than not, my strategy works out (I was in 5/6 dynasty semi-finals, and am in 3 championship games). In fairness, I did miss the playoffs completely in one league...but the team is better than the one I started the year with.

Another note - If you team is a perenial playoff team, but just missing the cut. Acquire some old guys who are talented. No one likes the be the dynasty team full of old guys, but by the time your guys retire or become useless, just trade off some picks/players for some more old guys that are way underpriced. I have one league where I have won the title 3 times over the past 6 years, and the average age of my players are regularly the highest in the league. I just keep churning out young for old and continue to win, while other teams are blowing up their teams of old players to try to "rebuild". I've had other players in the league claiming that my run is close to an end (because of the age of my players) for 6 years now...

 

[mr roboto]

It's a 2 QB league and 2 of my starters are QB 2's one is a QB 3/4.

This is my biggest problem. But the top QBs are so valuable it's really hard to get them without completely killing the rest of your team.

Cam and Brady on one team. Brees, Rogers and Stafford on another. Those 2 are in the championship game.

My WRs and RBs are better than theirs. Doesn't matter.

 

[KellysHeroes]

good talk in here about trading players for future picks

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=658482&st=0

 

[EBF]

I don't want to post my roster because its not specifically about that. Just looking for general advice. I have a very solid team. Top 4 each year. But I lack those 'big points' players (except for one stud RB). I've got a good mix of top vets and younger talent. Never trade my vets because I'm always thinking I could win. Always try to make an acquisition via trade in the offseason to strengthen my team. 6 straight playoff years, 5 4th place and 1 3rd place finish. I got rolled by a team that had Cam, Brady and AP this week. Game changers. I don't have those. The other 9 guys on my team outscored the other 9 guys on his team. Didn't matter. Never does. I'm the Minnesota ####### Twins of FF (nice roster, hard to root against, not enough to win it all).I want to do something drastic. Sell the stud RB (top 3 in redraft and top 5 in dynasty), top 10 veteran WR, a few top 20 WRs (young) and a vet top 15 QB. Start over. Do I pile draft picks? Trade for young guys in the league that are on the rise? Do like I do every year and find that 'missing piece'?

There is no magic solution. - Draft well.- Trade well.- Pay attention and try to be one step ahead of everyone when it comes to identifying trade/waiver targets.

 

[solorca]

It's a 2 QB league and 2 of my starters are QB 2's one is a QB 3/4. This is my biggest problem. But the top QBs are so valuable it's really hard to get them without completely killing the rest of your team. Cam and Brady on one team. Brees, Rogers and Stafford on another. Those 2 are in the championship game. My WRs and RBs are better than theirs. Doesn't matter.

This makes it harder. In two QB leagues, it's almost impossible to acquire a top QB, so your best bet is to work with what you have and try your best to get a top rookie pick when a QB that you love is available. In my 2QB leagues last year, Luck, RGIII, Tannehill, and Weeden were all first rounders, and if I remember correctly, Wilson was a 2nd rounder.You have to be proactive in these leagues by either trading for a guy who hasn't yet gotten his chance (Kaepernick or Foles, earlier this year), or just stockpile. I was in a similar situation as you in a 2QB a few years back, and in a 28 man league, I picked up 8 quarterbacks. I was solid everywhere else. Out of that group, I ended up getting Aaron Rodgers (picked up while he was still backing up Favre). All of the rest were busts, but all it took was the one guy to pan out.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

If your team is good enough to make the playoffs you probably shouldn't be rebuilding. And don't start a rebuild unless you own your picks for the upcoming year.

But if you really are going to rebuild sell everyone who doesn't have long-term value (3+ years) and acquire as many draft picks as you can. In most leagues draft picks are universal currency while you have to find a home for each of your players and not everyone will like them.

Then stockpile bargain bin prospects. Hopefully because you have four or five extra roster spots you'll hit on one or two of them.

Don't acquire mediocre WR5/TE2/bye/injury week type talent next season -- roll with what you have and keep those roster spaces for your extra prospects.

If all goes well...

You'll keep a couple long-term starters you currently own, will hit on one or two deeper prospects and will have several decent draft picks -- including the #1 overall pick for 2014. That can be used for a great prospect or swapped for a player you can start.

That's your core and what's left is to fill in around it/add depth.

And if all doesn't go well you'll probably suck for at least 2-3 years.

 

[gandalas]

I was in the same boat in my dynasty league (start 2 qb, IDP). I had a great roster, always made the playoffs, but did not have enough to win it all.

This year, I decided I had enough 2nds and 3rds, and bought Tom Brady and Gronkowski. Gronk is obviously out, but Brady is helping to carry me into the finals, where I think I should win it all for once. It is all about the stud qbs, especially in a 2 qb league like yours appears to be (mentioned opponent had Brady and Cam). A top 15 qb is not going to win a darn thing in a 2 qb league...

 

[jwb]

It's a 2 QB league and 2 of my starters are QB 2's one is a QB 3/4.

This is my biggest problem. But the top QBs are so valuable it's really hard to get them without completely killing the rest of your team.

Cam and Brady on one team. Brees, Rogers and Stafford on another. Those 2 are in the championship game.

My WRs and RBs are better than theirs. Doesn't matter.

This has always been my reservation towards playing in 2 qb leagues.On another note, you'll see here time and time again that people say "make the playoffs, then it's luck", and I do agree with that, having seen it happen in league after league. But again, the two qb thing mucks that up.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Theoretically your a good move or two from contending for a championship. I watch teams in pro sports do this a lot. My fav teams in the NBA are the Magic and Sixers. I watched the magic make the championship and as of now the entire roster is turned over and they will be a lotto team for a while. The Sixers were a few plays from the conference finals last year and blew up the team as well, I think they will eventually end up sucking too. One draft pick, one FA would have turned each team to a serious contender to me. ex do u think moves like Russel Wilson and Alfred Morris are out of your reach next year? That's a late pick and a FA that could send you to the top.

 

[Warhogs]

I don't play any 2 QB leagues but with the value at that spot it might make sense to sell off whatever you have to in order to build that position first and move out from there. Maybe start by looking at that stud RB in a deal for Luck?

 

[lod01]

Start over. Do I pile draft picks? Trade for young guys in the league that are on the rise? Do like I do every year and find that 'missing piece'?

Did this in 2004-2006. Kept Andre Johnson as my only stud player. Moved Marvin Harrison for 2006 & 2007 1st Rd. picks. Jerry Porter for 2007 1st Rd pick (Calvin Johnson - total luck that I got the #1 pick that year as I was targeting Calvin back in 2005). Warrick Dunn for 2006 2nd Rd. pick (Brandon Marshall). Also grabbed Greg Jennings with an acquired 2nd Rd. pick that year. Drafted Matt Ryan with an acquired 2008 2nd Rd. pick.2004: 3-10

2005: 3-10

2006: 7-6

2007: 9-7. Lost championship game.

2008: 13-2 Won championship game.

If it actually works, it makes suffering thru losing seasons with no chance, worth it.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

trade for lots of undervalued young players that do not have a lot of value yet and also trade for draft picks and sell them right before or after the draft...I wouldn't suggest building around the draft as those players usually take a while to develop unless you can grab an elite guy like AJ Green, Julio Jones or Trent Richardson.

It may sound crazy to trade for a bunch of unestablished players, but year in and year out guys emerge when the opportunity finally suits them.

Look at Demaryius Thomas, Michael Crabtree and Brandon Marshall (before he got traded to the Bears.) There is plenty of talent out there that people undervalue because it's a dynasty and they're not the new item in vogue.

I don't see the point of blowing up a team to the point of not being able to compete for that year... seems like your throwing away your money with that strategy.

Don't go after elite talents if you are 'blowing up' your team... its not worth the price to completely gut yourself. You don't buy a 100k car if you only make 50k a year, its better to spread out your bankroll and have solid players(bets)and depth just about to the end of your roster.

This is a strategy I'm about to delve into and I think It will prove to be a solid.

Step 1: Try to get undervalued veteran players, guys that aren't flashy because of their age but still have solid amounts of time left.

Step 2: load up on the year afters(in this case 2014) draft picks.

You get the best of both worlds. You get to compete for the championship next year and you have a bunch of draft picks that cover your team from the dark abyss if things don't turn out right.

Everyone is playing hot potato with older players hoping they aren't the one to be holding when they fall off, take advantage of that. WRs do not die out at 30 but people treat them like they do.

QBs are easy to get... Tony Romo, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger,Eli Manning, Peyton Manning. I know some of them have had their struggles, but they are keeping their jobs and will put up solid points throughout the season.

So I ask you, would you mind if you went into next year with

Peyton Manning, Eli Manning

Frank Gore Darren Sproles Steven Jackson Mark Ingram

Andre Johnson Reggie Wayne Steve Smith

Jason Witten

as your core...with 4-5 first rounders in the next years draft... sounds like a competitive team to me.

I know this sounds like the anti-christ to most owners ... so this isn't for everyone lol

Another idea, go after guys who screwed their owners in the most recent fantasy playoffs.... a few names that come to mind are: Roddy White, Josh Freeman, Marques Colston, Matthew Stafford, Jamaal Charles.

It's all about Identifying where the value is being undervalued. I think just about any strategy can become successful if you are consistently identifying undervalued talent.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

Start over. Do I pile draft picks? Trade for young guys in the league that are on the rise? Do like I do every year and find that 'missing piece'?

Did this in 2004-2006. Kept Andre Johnson as my only stud player. Moved Marvin Harrison for 2006 & 2007 1st Rd. picks. Jerry Porter for 2007 1st Rd pick (Calvin Johnson - total luck that I got the #1 pick that year as I was targeting Calvin back in 2005). Warrick Dunn for 2006 2nd Rd. pick (Brandon Marshall). Also grabbed Greg Jennings with an acquired 2nd Rd. pick that year. Drafted Matt Ryan with an acquired 2008 2nd Rd. pick.2004: 3-10

2005: 3-10

2006: 7-6

2007: 9-7. Lost championship game.

2008: 13-2 Won championship game.

If it actually works, it makes suffering thru losing seasons with no chance, worth it.

was it worth waiting 3 years to accomplish though?

 

[mr roboto]

I'll post some of my roster. Only because it may be helpful to others wondering about this kind of insane thought process.

My biggest pieces to trade are...

Schaub

Foster

Nicks

Roddy

Cobb

Hernandez

Ideally I'd like to keep Cobb and Hernandez. White would be going to a contender. Foster is the big money maker.

Cobb, Nicks and Hernandez are tough to think about.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

My biggest pieces to trade are...SchaubFosterNicksRoddyCobbHernandezIdeally I'd like to keep Cobb and Hernandez. White would be going to a contender. Foster is the big money maker.Cobb, Nicks and Hernandez are tough to think about.

I don't think your team is at the blow up stage yet, seems like you have a lot of pieces to build around already. Cobb Nicks and Hernandez would be solid. I'm not a fan of Nicks but certainly a great player when healthy. I think the main thing you should do is trade Foster and for a couple solid, younger RBs.Also acquire a QB in some way or another, maybe a veteran like Peyton or Romo

 

[mr roboto]

My biggest pieces to trade are...SchaubFosterNicksRoddyCobbHernandezIdeally I'd like to keep Cobb and Hernandez. White would be going to a contender. Foster is the big money maker.Cobb, Nicks and Hernandez are tough to think about.

I don't think your team is at the blow up stage yet, seems like you have a lot of pieces to build around already. Cobb Nicks and Hernandez would be solid. I'm not a fan of Nicks but certainly a great player when healthy. I think the main thing you should do is trade Foster and for a couple solid, younger RBs.Also acquire a QB in some way or another, maybe a veteran like Peyton or Romo

Thanks.The funny thing is I spent years building this team. Our initial dynasty draft, I didn't know what I was doing. Drafted all veterans. None of those guys (from 2007) are on my team. Most aren't even in the league anymore.

 

[voiceofunreason]

It's a 2 QB league and 2 of my starters are QB 2's one is a QB 3/4. This is my biggest problem. But the top QBs are so valuable it's really hard to get them without completely killing the rest of your team. Cam and Brady on one team. Brees, Rogers and Stafford on another. Those 2 are in the championship game. My WRs and RBs are better than theirs. Doesn't matter.

The playoffs are such a crap shoot. Getting there is the main thing. However, in a 2 qb league it is very hard to beat 2 elite qbs. Don't do anything crazy. I know how hard it is to get a big time qb in a league like that, there's no easy answer.

 

[Chazzhawk]

I don't want to post my roster because its not specifically about that. Just looking for general advice. I have a very solid team. Top 4 each year. But I lack those 'big points' players (except for one stud RB). I've got a good mix of top vets and younger talent. Never trade my vets because I'm always thinking I could win. Always try to make an acquisition via trade in the offseason to strengthen my team. 6 straight playoff years, 5 4th place and 1 3rd place finish. I got rolled by a team that had Cam, Brady and AP this week. Game changers. I don't have those. The other 9 guys on my team outscored the other 9 guys on his team. Didn't matter. Never does. I'm the Minnesota ####### Twins of FF (nice roster, hard to root against, not enough to win it all).I want to do something drastic. Sell the stud RB (top 3 in redraft and top 5 in dynasty), top 10 veteran WR, a few top 20 WRs (young) and a vet top 15 QB. Start over. Do I pile draft picks? Trade for young guys in the league that are on the rise? Do like I do every year and find that 'missing piece'?

I have had that problem in my leagues, so I look to try for some 2 for 1's or 3 for 1's. Here is an example. Earlier this year I went 2 for 1 and got Calvin Johnson, I gave up Julio Jones, Dennis Pita and a 3rd rounder for him. I picked up Dwayne Allen off the waiver wire to take Pitta's spot and until this week it was pretty much a wash between Pitta and Allen and Megatron is dominating Jones.

 

[Mentos]

What is the roster size in your league, mr roboto?

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

My biggest pieces to trade are...SchaubFosterNicksRoddyCobbHernandezIdeally I'd like to keep Cobb and Hernandez. White would be going to a contender. Foster is the big money maker.Cobb, Nicks and Hernandez are tough to think about.

I don't think your team is at the blow up stage yet, seems like you have a lot of pieces to build around already. Cobb Nicks and Hernandez would be solid. I'm not a fan of Nicks but certainly a great player when healthy. I think the main thing you should do is trade Foster and for a couple solid, younger RBs.Also acquire a QB in some way or another, maybe a veteran like Peyton or Romo

I'd shop Foster and Roddy. Offer too much value for a young stud QB. Foster & Hernandez for Cam? Foster for Stafford? Etc. Get yourself a young QB as a foundation piece. RBs come and go. Cam/Luck/Stafford types will be QB1s for a long time. Get another young QB that you like for less. Roddy for Tannehill? Seems ridiculous, but in a 2 QB league any QB with any sort of promise should be extremely valuable. Continue to draft QBs high in drafts. If they hit and you already have 2, you can deal them for a premium.

 

[comfortably numb]

If you are close every year why not just take a shot at going for it all in season instead of blowing it all up?

You can see where you are amongst your peers in season, make a few moves to acquire players that can possibly put you over the top?

 

[KellysHeroes]

I had the same problem in one of my leagues, I had a top 4 or 5 built in a 16 teamer but just couldn't get the fire power needed to beat the top 3. I totally blew her up and I can tell you that a lot went my way to get where I am now. Trades that looked like I took a serious hit would break the other way for me in about a yrs time and I scored pretty good on my draft and WW selections. Another key was that 2011 and 2012 Rookie drafts were loaded with talent and I wanted to scoop up as much as I could, at the time of the blow up I didn't have any 2011 picks due to me selling out during the 2010 season.

Pretty much in 2010 off-season I dumped the following

Traded Rivers / ADP / McFadden / Welker / SSmith (NYG) / Breaston / Hester / Amendola / Shaincoe / Shockey / J Cameron TE / Idonije / D Bishop / Briggs / T Thomas / Grimes / T Branch / TJ Ward

In return I got

Kolb / AJ Green / D Thomas / Vereen / Felix / 3 2012 1sts (1 an Early to Mid, 1 Mid to Late, 1 Late) / 2013 1st (Early to Mid) / 3 2012 2nds (2 Early / 1 Late) / 3 2012 3rds (Early to Mid) / 2013 3rds (Late) / 2013 4th

So you can see from the initial blow up (pre-draft, during draft, post draft excitement period) I only received 1 stud and a load of future picks - AJ Green which was done in a deal for DMC after his good yr; also ended up w a top 5 pick in 2013 in it. Kolb was trash and I'm waiting till end of next season before I judge DThomas and Vereen; but right now they look like avg or below avg. I was smartest enough to move Felix before the season started and received Ryan Mathews for him. Last yr and this off-season that trade was looking like the steal of the century :( . Also in 2011 I drafted Ridley in the late 3rd and Cruz with my last pick which were huge key homeruns.

Thanks to a bunch of trades made during this yr draft period I ended up w the following

QB Eli, Luck ®, Kaepernick

RB Matthews, Spiller, Ridley, D Wilson ®, D Thomas, Vereen, Gerhart

WR AJ Green, Cruz, DHB, Blackmon ®, D Baldwin, Meachem, Mariani (IR), Hester (KR)

TE G Olsen, F Davis (IR), Keller, Stocker, Housler, L Green®

PK Vinatieri

DL M Johnson, C.Jordan, Sheard, Wilkerson, Wolfe®, Curry ®

LB Erin Henderson, Hightower ®, Tulluch, Nicholas, Dam Davis ®, Blackburn, Sheppard, Roach

CB SSmith, Johnson

S Jenkins, Polamalu

** 2 2013 1sts

I documented all the moves from 2010 till the beginning of 2012 here http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=592631&st=0#entry14424864

I got KO'd in the playoffs but I feel the future is bright for this team. I wouldn't suggest a total blow up, its very time consuming and overwhelming. Retain the players who you feel will be valuable for the next 3 - 5 and move the old guys, its too bad you missed on all the rookie QBs this yr that would of been key for u. The reverse strategy as stated in a post before is effective in the proper leagues but I have seen it backfire a couple of times and you don't want to get your hand stuck in a cookie jar.

 

[Shutout]

I had the same problem in one of my leagues, I had a top 4 or 5 built in a 16 teamer but just couldn't get the fire power needed to beat the top 3. I totally blew her up and I can tell you that a lot went my way to get where I am now. Trades that looked like I took a serious hit would break the other way for me in about a yrs time and I scored pretty good on my draft and WW selections. Another key was that 2011 and 2012 Rookie drafts were loaded with talent and I wanted to scoop up as much as I could, at the time of the blow up I didn't have any 2011 picks due to me selling out during the 2010 season.

Pretty much in 2010 off-season I dumped the following

Traded Rivers / ADP / McFadden / Welker / SSmith (NYG) / Breaston / Hester / Amendola / Shaincoe / Shockey / J Cameron TE / Idonije / D Bishop / Briggs / T Thomas / Grimes / T Branch / TJ Ward

In return I got

Kolb / AJ Green / D Thomas / Vereen / Felix / 3 2012 1sts (1 an Early to Mid, 1 Mid to Late, 1 Late) / 2013 1st (Early to Mid) / 3 2012 2nds (2 Early / 1 Late) / 3 2012 3rds (Early to Mid) / 2013 3rds (Late) / 2013 4th

So you can see from the initial blow up (pre-draft, during draft, post draft excitement period) I only received 1 stud and a load of future picks - AJ Green which was done in a deal for DMC after his good yr; also ended up w a top 5 pick in 2013 in it. Kolb was trash and I'm waiting till end of next season before I judge DThomas and Vereen; but right now they look like avg or below avg. I was smartest enough to move Felix before the season started and received Ryan Mathews for him. Last yr and this off-season that trade was looking like the steal of the century :( . Also in 2011 I drafted Ridley in the late 3rd and Cruz with my last pick which were huge key homeruns.

Thanks to a bunch of trades made during this yr draft period I ended up w the following

QB Eli, Luck ®, Kaepernick

RB Matthews, Spiller, Ridley, D Wilson ®, D Thomas, Vereen, Gerhart

WR AJ Green, Cruz, DHB, Blackmon ®, D Baldwin, Meachem, Mariani (IR), Hester (KR)

TE G Olsen, F Davis (IR), Keller, Stocker, Housler, L Green®

PK Vinatieri

DL M Johnson, C.Jordan, Sheard, Wilkerson, Wolfe®, Curry ®

LB Erin Henderson, Hightower ®, Tulluch, Nicholas, Dam Davis ®, Blackburn, Sheppard, Roach

CB SSmith, Johnson

S Jenkins, Polamalu

** 2 2013 1sts

I documented all the moves from 2010 till the beginning of 2012 here http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=592631&st=0#entry14424864

I got KO'd in the playoffs but I feel the future is bright for this team. I wouldn't suggest a total blow up, its very time consuming and overwhelming. Retain the players who you feel will be valuable for the next 3 - 5 and move the old guys, its too bad you missed on all the rookie QBs this yr that would of been key for u. The reverse strategy as stated in a post before is effective in the proper leagues but I have seen it backfire a couple of times and you don't want to get your hand stuck in a cookie jar.

Honestly, other than Rivers, I like your original team better than your current team. Just through normal drafting over the past few years, I think that team would have been competitive had you just slightly upgraded qb and found a te.

 

[Shutout]

Rule 1: even in dynasty, your goal is to win in the year you are playing.

Rule 2: because of rule 1, you just don't blow things up in dynasty. Draft picks are far from guarantees, it takes time to rebuild.

Look at the guy above that posted about his rebuild, trading for all the picks. In essence, it took him 4 years to be relevant and 5 to win. So, basically, you ( the Op) are frustrated about making the playoffs for the last half decade and the other guy is advising you to employ a strategy that takes half a decade to get back into the playoffs. I would rather dance and not get kissed than not dance at all.

Keep at it. Build layers. Get the older guys to add the key depth when your window opens. You have a good team so it seems you know how to do it. Just have to stick with it

 

[mr roboto]

Rule 1: even in dynasty, your goal is to win in the year you are playing.

Rule 2: because of rule 1, you just don't blow things up in dynasty. Draft picks are far from guarantees, it takes time to rebuild.

Look at the guy above that posted about his rebuild, trading for all the picks. In essence, it took him 4 years to be relevant and 5 to win. So, basically, you ( the Op) are frustrated about making the playoffs for the last half decade and the other guy is advising you to employ a strategy that takes half a decade to get back into the playoffs. I would rather dance and not get kissed than not dance at all.

Keep at it. Build layers. Get the older guys to add the key depth when your window opens. You have a good team so it seems you know how to do it. Just have to stick with it

This has been my MO the last few years. Trade overvalued 1st round picks right after NFL draft.This year I traded a 1st for Schaub (to try to make the QB stronger). Thought Flacco may make a step forward.

Oh, and I've been drafting QBs. Flacco (early 2nd), Skelton (late 3rd), Clausen (early 2nd), Ponder (late 1st), Osweiler (4th).

Yea, I'm not too good at drafting QBs.

 

[mr roboto]

What is the roster size in your league, mr roboto?

24. 28 in the offseason.Oh, and I'm sorry I really did make this about my team. I hate it when other people do this in the SP.If it's inappropriate, mods can delete. If it's informative, keep it.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Honestly, other than Rivers, I like your original team better than your current team. Just through normal drafting over the past few years, I think that team would have been competitive had you just slightly upgraded qb and found a te.

Rivers, Sanchez, McCoyADP, DMC, Barber, Choice Ball, J JonesWelker, Amendola, Breaston, Hester, J Hill, Hagan, Elderman, Mariani (KR), SSmith NY, GonzalezZ Miller, Shiancoe, ShockeyPrater, RaynerM. Anderson, Idonije, Vickerson, l. Jackson, Kampman, Stroud, HughesBishop, Briggs, Brooking, Orakpo, D. Clark, J. Peterson, Durant, KindleGrimes, J, T. Thomas, LaceyBranch, TJ Ward, Doughty**No picks for 2011Yeah, it as a good team. Thing is I sold all my 2011 picks so I wouldn't have been able to really upgrade those positions, especially QB. Also due to SSmith's injury I had no WR2 besides Amendola whoes been hurt both years since. Had I kept the team the way it was and hit my home run on Cruz after the draft 2011, who knows might have been better. I guess its a good example for the OP, you want this aging performer or do you a team of young chicks

 

[solorca]

Another thing I like to do is use late draft picks on players that may have been dropped (if there isn't an offseason waiver wire prior to the draft). I ended up with Danny Amendola in two leagues this offseason, in the third and fourth round of the rookie/free agent draft.

 

[Mentos]

What is the roster size in your league, mr roboto?

24. 28 in the offseason.Oh, and I'm sorry I really did make this about my team. I hate it when other people do this in the SP.If it's inappropriate, mods can delete. If it's informative, keep it.

Don't be sorry. It is useful. With a roster of 24 I think you can blown it up but you need to be careful about it. I know some people who think dynasty leagues are only dynasty leagues if rosters consist of at least 40 players. I don't get that but whatever.

 

[mjr]

I faced the same decision this last off season. First year I won the championship. 2nd year I lost the championship game. 3rd year I got knocked out of the playoffs early. Last year I went 6-7, due in large part because of injuries. Got tired of watching my team take a step backwards every year. Finally decided Charles, G. Jennings and Nelson were going to be my sacrificial lambs. Got Luck out of Jennings. Traded Charles and Nelson for ADP. Picked up Lynch in our FA auction with the extra cap space I then had. Picked up guys like Shorts, DX and Walsh off the wire. Played the matchups on D. Now I'm back in the championship game and the teams I traded my players to have been sitting out of it since week 13. I'm lucky it all broke my way. It could have been different.

If it were me, I'd do the opposite of what has been suggested if that's the way I decided to go. I would hold on to Foster and White. Nelson, Cobb and Hernandez would be the ones I'd try to get the most out of in trades. Do the rest in FA, the draft and the WW.

 

[flc735]

my rule of thumb is "what move will increase my team value in the very near future?" with the near future being the following offseason or sooner.

for example, that takes out guys like AP, marsh, lynch, rodgers ect...

at best, their value stays put. at worse, it goes down. if i have them, i trade them.

who do i buy? guys that i think are highly likely to gain in value in the near future.

david wilson, spiller, hilton, richardson (stl), wallace (right or wrong, new teams always create buzz and push their value up)

those are good examples.

some people will target rookies but i think that is a mistake. you have to wait on them, fill roster spaces while you do and eventually give up on 25%-50% of them. thats too much value loss and not a good value investment in the long run. look at the 1.08 (pead) and 1.11 (quick) picks right now. they are nearly cutable already and you could have easily got a young starter with upside last off season for either of those picks. rebuilding or not, unless i am 100% sure about a rookie, which isn't often, i am going to trade my 1st.

the goal here is to make as many value increasing moves as possible. later on, you should be left with a deep team with lots of potential. use that depth to land young studs that you know will not loose value in the next few years. luck, richardson, julio ect...

i like to target 2nd year guys. by then, i can tell weather or not they will succeed in the nfl and their price is normally the same as it was durring the draft, after their rookie hype wears off.

when you are going for these players, overpay. you will still win the deal.

waivers - go for quick upside. so you can trade for a profit or cut bait and try again quickly. i like to do this to stock pile 2nd round picks. three 2nds for a young WR2 looks very appealing to a rebuilding team.

trade for picks now, sell them right before your draft

open roster spots are worth something. don't put yourself in a position where you have to wait on a project player for years.

trade often. there are 11+ other teams that have different player values and team needs. there is always ALWAYS a doable deal out their that will improve your team.

understand what your leaguemates value the most. in 1 league, QBs are treated like gold. in another, WRs are in the most demand. anytime you are faced with a tough decision as far as your roster goes, lean twoards the position or type of player that is most likely to develop into a tradable commodity in the near future.

 

[doubletrouble]

I don't want to post my roster because its not specifically about that. Just looking for general advice.

I have a very solid team. Top 4 each year. But I lack those 'big points' players (except for one stud RB).

I've got a good mix of top vets and younger talent. Never trade my vets because I'm always thinking I could win. Always try to make an acquisition via trade in the offseason to strengthen my team.

6 straight playoff years, 5 4th place and 1 3rd place finish.

I got rolled by a team that had Cam, Brady and AP this week. Game changers. I don't have those. The other 9 guys on my team outscored the other 9 guys on his team. Didn't matter. Never does.

I'm the Minnesota ####### Twins of FF (nice roster, hard to root against, not enough to win it all).

I want to do something drastic. Sell the stud RB (top 3 in redraft and top 5 in dynasty), top 10 veteran WR, a few top 20 WRs (young) and a vet top 15 QB.

Start over. Do I pile draft picks? Trade for young guys in the league that are on the rise? Do like I do every year and find that 'missing piece'?

There is no magic solution. - Draft well.

- Trade well.

- Pay attention and try to be one step ahead of everyone when it comes to identifying trade/waiver targets.

And watch for rankings by alot of these guys like EBF on college prospects..

 

[kardplayer]

I skimmed the thread, so this is a combo of new and old...

Here's how I built my squad (my resume: three-peated, then lost in finals last year by 10 when ADP and McCoy got hurt and didn't finish their games, lost in the semis this year when my whole team took week 16 off and I got my lowest score since 2009)). YMMV

1. Build a core of studs, and don't be afraid to pay them. Everyone else is fodder/lottery tickets - pay them the minimum and be (relatively)indifferent to who they are

2. In every trade you make, get them to either a) throw in a late draft pick that doesn't have a lot of value on it's own (4th round of rookie drafts are a wasteland) or b) take a player with a bad contract so they eat the cap hit instead of you.

3. Give quantity for quality. Specifically, find the team that is terrible, but has a middle-aged stud, and give him a bunch of young B/C's for said stud. Sell in as "you've got one guy who will be old by the time the rest of your team is good, take these younger lottery tickets to build your team around". You can also throw in some of those picks you acquired in #2 in exchange for him taking on some bad contracts. My best example of this was in 2008 trading McNabb and a bunch of young WR's (Cotchery, Curtis, Jenkins) for Brees and Wayne and 2 4th round picks. In retrospect this was a robbery, but at the time McNabb/Brees were rated next to each other, and Wayne was aging. Irony is, that's the team that beat me in the finals last year. Ideally, you want these trades to work out for both parties, otherwise no one will trade with you.

 

[Concept Coop]

Very interesting to see how other owners think. I personally am more prone to investing in risky options and veterans that blow a team up. A few hits here and there and a team is right back in the mix, usually.

A year removed from being 8/12, I am in the championship in a dynasty league of mine. Past investments in Decker/Ridley paid off; bought CJ4.24 low during his drought, and used a 1st rounder to upgrade from Romo to Brady.

That involved a bit of luck, but in general, there is potential for this kind of thing every year.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

Do I pile draft picks? Trade for young guys in the league that are on the rise? Do like I do every year and find that 'missing piece'?

My suggestion in a tough 2 QB league would be to churn a high rated prospect on the rise whose valuation will spike at it's highest value for you to try to swing a trade. This would be ideal esp after last years rookie QB1 draft class, which had some true blue chip prospects emerge this year. A lot of this often gets written off as "Sport X is a copycat league" when the issue is probably more related to the primacy/latency concept. Primacy and Latency, IIRC, is the concept in psychology that the average human will tend to remember, in short and long term memory, the things that were presented first and last. A good example is Saving Private Ryan. Maybe one day you'll forget other aspects of the movie, but few will forge the opening 20 minutes on the beach. This is also why a good rule of presenting anything is to start strong and finish strong, because people will remember those points most, not so much the middle. QB1 prospects in any draft, part of their "buzz" or how much juice they get is often marketing related. The NFL is far more successful than MLB and the NBA financially precisely for the reason that it makes an effort to cater to a wider demographic and is able to key in on what the average viewer wants. So a prospect, with factors in how he looks, how dark his skin is, or not, his college pedigree, his ethnic background, how much he appeals to female viewers, how corporations see him as brand potential, these are all factors that matter in how much press a recruit can get. In some cases, the level of buzz will be predictable, such as Tim Tebow, in other cases, the level of buzz is more subtle, like Mark Sanchez ( the NFL marketing machine desperately wanted Sanchez in a large market and to succeed) In any case, with all the information around draft time thrown around, the number of times your name rings out in the mass media/blogosphere makes a difference.Sometimes you can learn who the NFL marketing machine wants to generate buzz about by the way they hard vet some recruits over others. The reason is the NFL machine doesn't want to push the same name and face in your household as a can't miss draft prospect to find out later they didn't cross their T's and dot their I's and the guy has actually been a coke dealer in college and raped three women while on Skype everyday with his Taliban uncle. Here's a freebie for you, right now NFL Security is, to my knowledge, ramping up, and appreciably so, it's hard vet of EJ Manuel of FSU. That means the NFL wants to specifically angle buzz around him, partly because he has the chance to dramatically rise his draft stock at the Combine ( never mind he can't read a defense, but watch that kid run - that's how some pro personnel people will look at him) He started the season as probably a potential 4th rounder in the 2013 draft, but has probably moved his stock enough up, along with his physical pedigree, to hit the 2nd round. I think with the Combine and implied buzz, he can possibly shoot up into the late first round. The key thing is people are going to think about the last class of Wilson, RG3, Luck, Tannehill, Weeden and want to cash in on the next gravy boat. A lot of people are also going to think about Dalton and Kaepernick, 2nd rounders, who floating some lower level QB Tier 1 value some weeks. My advice? Grab Manuel in your rookie draft and then churn him, trade him out as his stock keeps appearing to rise more and more in the press. Manuel is a Jimbo Fisher prodigy, which IMHO means he's more smoke than mirror. It's a credit to Fisher, but he could take a frozen TV dinner and uptick someone into thinking it was a lean cut of steak. His prodigies are well prepared for the Combine and typically do well through selection, they just don't seem to translate well into the pro level. IMHO, churning a rising prospect is the fastest way to sell high right now to arm up for a dynasty trade of specific need. And nothing is more savory to a QB hungry league than a guy who looks like he can weaponize even on non passing plays with his legs. There are other targets like this I see this year, but that's for another time and thread. IMHO, the key thing for you is if a NFL position has high positional value in your league, either driven by natural scarcity or artificially driven, then it means you need to work harder at the feeder level. I.E. watch more college game and devote some time to look at more incoming freshman prospects. Just like how people can dig as deep as practice squads to look for the next great RB1 prospect, you will have to start targeting prospects when they are sophomores in college. The NBA has no choice but to do this. There is such a massive shortage that teams are already quietly looking at kids in middle school level. When operating under scarcity, you need a bigger shovel. Good luck.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

Very interesting to see how other owners think. I personally am more prone to investing in risky options and veterans that blow a team up. A few hits here and there and a team is right back in the mix, usually.A year removed from being 8/12, I am in the championship in a dynasty league of mine. Past investments in Decker/Ridley paid off; bought CJ4.24 low during his drought, and used a 1st rounder to upgrade from Romo to Brady. That involved a bit of luck, but in general, there is potential for this kind of thing every year.

 

[KellysHeroes]

gotta decide what I'm going to do here, past 3 yrs of accomplishments

2009 4th place regular season finish (14 teams)- KO'd 1st round

2010 2nd place / 2nd highest scorer reg season

2011 3rd place / 2nd highest scorer reg season

this yr I finished 5th regular season, suffered the injury bug w/ Harvin, Holmes, F Davis and Amdendola

made some moves that backfired on me like trading Boldin for Holmes and Gates for DHB (atleast this one broke even pt wise).

made some decent ones like Brady for RG3 while I had Peyton, Bradshaw for Witten and a 3rd for D-Will before Stew got hurt.

Also don't have a 1st next yr but an extra 2nd / debating if its tie to blow up or keep her going for another yr.

Figure RG3 / Harvin & T Smith are my core and will see what I can get for the others

QB: Robert Griffin III, Peyton Manning

RB: Darren Sproles, DeAngelo Williams, Ben Tate, Andre Brown

WR: Percy Harvin, Torrey Smith, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Robert Meachem, Danny Amendola, Doug Baldwin, Jerome Simpson, Harry Douglas, Jon Baldwin, Mike Thomas, Riley Cooper

TE: Jason Witten, Fred Davis, Rob Housler, Luke Stocker, Garrett Graham, Virgil Green

PK: Matt Bryant

DL Dumervil, W Smith

LB Angerer, Weatherspoon, D Washington, Burfict ®, J Freeman, Wagner ®, DDavis ®, Z Brown ®, Bishop (IR)

DB Branch, Godfrey, Williams

 

[Jeremy]

I'm in the same boat as the OP. Feels like the worst place to be. Just good enough to make the playoffs every year and lose in the first round. No money, no premium draft picks. So...

 

[Spike]

If you're in leagues that start just 1 QB, what would you look for in ROI for your surplus?

For example, in one league I have the following:

Cousins

Foles

Luck

Newton

Big Ben

Wilson

In another I have:

RGIII

Manning (Peyton)

Ryan

Wilson

I'm not great in those other leagues and really want to upgrade. The trouble is that while people talk about wanting QBs, most teams seem to be of the opinion of "One good one is enough for me."

 

[thriftyrocker]

I'd shop Foster and Roddy. Offer too much value for a young stud QB. Foster & Hernandez for Cam? Foster for Stafford? Etc. Get yourself a young QB as a foundation piece. RBs come and go. Cam/Luck/Stafford types will be QB1s for a long time. Get another young QB that you like for less. Roddy for Tannehill? Seems ridiculous, but in a 2 QB league any QB with any sort of promise should be extremely valuable. Continue to draft QBs high in drafts. If they hit and you already have 2, you can deal them for a premium.

This is what you should do, if you can swing it. If you don't like your team, change it. Sell the RB or a guy like Roddy and build at high value, low risk positions. I think selling now puts you in a better position to have an improved team in say 2014. I would definitely move Roddy for Tannehill. I'd try to get Wilson first, but Tannehill is fine too. I would hold Schaub. He is boring but he's a steady QB2. I think he'll still be a QB2 in 2 years. He's the epitome of a guy you can flip for nothing in 1QB league but is undervalued in 2QB leagues.The other strategy is to make up that difference at QB1 someway somehow. You can dumpster dive for Rivers and Vick and hope for a turnaround. You can load your roster with guys like Webb, Tebow, and Pryor at low cost and hope that they are starting in the playoffs and net you 90 rushing yards to pad their stats. I took over a 2nd superflex this year and my first adds after the rookie draft were Pryor and Webb. Okay, none paid out, but I definitely believe in that strategy.You can put together a package of a youth and picks for Peyton and hope the other guy doesn't see title in his future. I think you can make an all-in move even in 2QB to get a QB1, but you have to have a lot of faith in your other positions. Of course if you're a perennial playoff team you can wait to make this move in say Nov 2013 and make sure your stars are aligned.

 

[Crazy Tony]

I don't want to post my roster because its not specifically about that. Just looking for general advice. I have a very solid team. Top 4 each year. But I lack those 'big points' players (except for one stud RB). I've got a good mix of top vets and younger talent. Never trade my vets because I'm always thinking I could win. Always try to make an acquisition via trade in the offseason to strengthen my team. 6 straight playoff years, 5 4th place and 1 3rd place finish. I got rolled by a team that had Cam, Brady and AP this week. Game changers. I don't have those. The other 9 guys on my team outscored the other 9 guys on his team. Didn't matter. Never does. I'm the Minnesota ####### Twins of FF (nice roster, hard to root against, not enough to win it all).I want to do something drastic. Sell the stud RB (top 3 in redraft and top 5 in dynasty), top 10 veteran WR, a few top 20 WRs (young) and a vet top 15 QB. Start over. Do I pile draft picks? Trade for young guys in the league that are on the rise? Do like I do every year and find that 'missing piece'?

I'm in a 2 QB league.I hear this is NOT the year to blow up the roster and acquire 2013 draft picks. I hear 2014 is better. Sell your 2013 first rounder if you can get more for it that what's available.Typically you have to draft elite talent and never trade it away. If you were to trade, trade a RB because they're likely to get hurt.Target a QB and acquire them.Pay for a top 3-5 QB Hopefully from an owner than has several good ones. Give him a QB2 elite WR/RB or starter RB1/WR1 and Picks. LUCK, RG3, Wilson, Newton, Kaepernick, Stafford, Ryan Rodgers, Dalton? Tannehill Bradford?Go get him.If you can get 2 of the QBs even better. Maybe some at different phases of career. VET Brady Brees PManning could buy you time. Don't pay too much. Franchise: Rodgers is highest price, Luck RG3 next..maybe Wilson, Newton stafford, Ryan. Tannehill could still be cheap and has upside. Value on the rise. Bradford could be in that conversation too. He's had no Oline and young WRs are coming around. Realize that people only see the 3 best players on your team re: trade value if you're trading for one of their top 6 players. If you have ADP and you want LUCK they won't talk to you unless ADP is in the conversation. Drafting: Take top tier talent wherever you can get it. But Get QB's then a core of WRs an elite TE then RBs.I would guess your Rise to Mediocrity has been poor evaluation of your team. Thinking these guys are better than they were...and going for it each year...close but not really... That elite talent can put you over the hump. 3 elite players having a good week can equal 5-7 average to above average players. I'd sell 2013 1st rd pick in a package with one of your Tier 2 guys for one of your young up-comers.Be realistic. Can you acquire that player for that talent.QBs I'm targeting: Rodgers, Luck, RG3, RYAN, maybe Wilson,Stafford, Newton, maybe Kaepernick, Tannehill, Dalton? QB vets that could buy you time: Brees, Brady, PManning 2-3 years.WRs: AJ Green, Harvin, Cobb, Calvin Johnson, Ju Jones, MWallace, DThomas, BMarshall, Dez, Cruz etc. RBs: Foster, ADP, Lynch? Forte, DMart, Trent Richardson, CJ2k, MJD if healthy, DWilson, RayRice. DMurray, CJSpiller, McCoy, Pick guys that you believe to be durable and elite caliber talent for RB. Bryce Brown is intriguing if he would protect the ball. He'll be stuck behind McCoy for 2 more years. JaQuizz played at OSU and I saw a lot of him on the news. He's sturdy for 5'7+/-. He's decent between tackles and breaking outside.I like LUCK because he doesn't run as much taking fewer hits. RG3 got hurt running. LUck can scramble effectively as well. I think he slides more or runs out. Wilson is good too.Newton is bigger, I don't trust him. His moping makes me question his preparation and decision making. Wilson, RG3, Luck aren't doing that. Haven't had that kind of interview even after bad games.Bradford, hasn't had much of an O-line to help him. Value could improve with help. WRs' catching on.Tannehill doesn't have WR1 really and he's done well. Kaepernick can run and is bigger sized. Not sure he's on same level yet. You could do worse.Something to be said for Brady. Rough week for many top QBs...not Brady. He can take you to the playoffs and get you over a hump. Where others can disappear at times. PatienceBefore I trade/drop a player. I ask if I've seen their ceiling. Do they have the talent to start? What's their situation(favorable?) How long should I wait how much can I gain or lose? I traded Lance more for 3rd rounder at the draft. I needed a roster space. I thought his value would be on the rise. It was I just had better players I wanted to hang on to. His rise was good and I lost out on the deal but it wasn't a back breaker. It freed up roster spot that I could now play with because Moore scored enough to not to drop in 2011 but didn't really help me. Try to give players 3yrs at WR. Some are faster or slower. Some don't have good QBs or teams or favorable offenses. WR1 in Arizona is = WR3 in GB. I'd stash Fitzgerald on my roster. But wished he was on GB etc.I don't handcuff my stud RBs unless the backup is starter caliber a la CJ Spiller. DAW/JStew. Having the patience to suffer through that is difficult.Bush or Ben Tate sure but not for a 2nd rounder. Look at the 2nd rounders people are getting are the scoring more than Bush/Tate. Russell Wilson was a 2nd rounder last year in our league.Vick Ballard, Bryce Brown,...2011 DMurray, LBlount, M Hardesty...could be traded to new teams and have a chance to start. They're decent. Or Maybe they're Peyton Hillis or LeRon McClain or MiTolbert.Don't just drop handcuffs either. Blount Hardesty could both be traded and potentially start on other teams next year. Their value would be higher because of this. If you can trade Bryce Brown bc you don't have McCoy and get something like or a Vick Ballard that's not terrible. I think Schaub's pretty good. I don't know if I'd build my team around the QB of a running team whose best WR has 10yrs in the league...that doesn't indicate longevity to me. I need some stability I can build around while things workout. I could acquire LUCK for Harvin & a starting RB like Forte/Murray. I'm not sure. It's expensive but not sure.I have time I think.Good luck.

 

[Concept Coop]

If you're in leagues that start just 1 QB, what would you look for in ROI for your surplus?

I am in a similar situation and it is a hard question to answer. Own Newton, Brees, and Dalton. Traded for Brees when Newton was struggling and he helped get me into the playoffs, but Newton is the guy I'm building around long-term. Tried to trade Brees and got very few serious counters/offers. I've accepted that I won't get full value, but I am okay with that; I didn't pay full price. But, at this rate, the luxury of playing matchups/injury security/keeping him off other rosters is worth more than I'll get in return, unless the offers get better.It is a reason QBs are often overrated in startups; they're very hard to move for full value after the initial draft, often. People are fine with a Romo/Kaepernick or Roethlisberger/Dalton combination, and most teams have something along those lines, at the very least.

 

[Sweet Love]

I don't play any 2 QB leagues but with the value at that spot it might make sense to sell off whatever you have to in order to build that position first and move out from there. Maybe start by looking at that stud RB in a deal for Luck?

That was my thought...plus there is a team with Stafford and he is not being used. You obviously have an eye for the WR/RB talent if that is what is getting you there and you should be able to get a QB1 in exchange for a couple of your better players...I would be curious to see though how your overall QB scoring compared to that of your opponents.

 

[ShaHBucks]

A lot of you guy are neglecting that a qb has now become a surplus after this season... Anyway I found a article on rebuilding

My link

 

[Concept Coop]

A lot of you guy are neglecting that a qb has now become a surplus after this season...

This. I understand not looking to invest in a RB if your window is 2+ years away, but I don't know about pouring what little resources you have into a position that is so easy to fill, and so hard to get equal value for. I'd much rather target WRs; in most formats, it's easy to get value for them and hard to have "too many".

 

[lod01]

Start over. Do I pile draft picks? Trade for young guys in the league that are on the rise? Do like I do every year and find that 'missing piece'?

Did this in 2004-2006. Kept Andre Johnson as my only stud player. Moved Marvin Harrison for 2006 & 2007 1st Rd. picks. Jerry Porter for 2007 1st Rd pick (Calvin Johnson - total luck that I got the #1 pick that year as I was targeting Calvin back in 2005). Warrick Dunn for 2006 2nd Rd. pick (Brandon Marshall). Also grabbed Greg Jennings with an acquired 2nd Rd. pick that year. Drafted Matt Ryan with an acquired 2008 2nd Rd. pick.2004: 3-10

2005: 3-10

2006: 7-6

2007: 9-7. Lost championship game.

2008: 13-2 Won championship game.

If it actually works, it makes suffering thru losing seasons with no chance, worth it.

was it worth waiting 3 years to accomplish though?

Actually it was as I was looking at the longterm. 2004 and 2005 really sucked though, watching your guys do nothing wweek after week. But then in 2008, rolling over everyone made up for it. I already had 3 championships in the 90s and wantyed to see if I could actually blow a team up and rebuild from sctatch to a championship.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I don't play any 2 QB leagues but with the value at that spot it might make sense to sell off whatever you have to in order to build that position first and move out from there. Maybe start by looking at that stud RB in a deal for Luck?

That was my thought...plus there is a team with Stafford and he is not being used. You obviously have an eye for the WR/RB talent if that is what is getting you there and you should be able to get a QB1 in exchange for a couple of your better players...I would be curious to see though how your overall QB scoring compared to that of your opponents.

Good luck trying to buy Luck (or even Stafford for that matter) in a 2QB without giving up a QB a lot better than Schaub in return. Even something like Eli/Foster is a reject in a lot of 2QB leagues.