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This week, Martz praises No. 88

December 1, 2006

By NICHOLAS J. COTSONIKA

FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

Sometimes Mike Martz won't talk about Mike Williams. Sometimes he has nothing but good things to say about him. Depends how Williams is doing.

Well, Martz is praising Williams these days.

"He's competing," said Martz, the Lions' offensive coordinator. "Here's a guy that came into the league at a very young age, and a lot of times those guys that are propped up like that have a false sense of what this league is really about.

"I think there's a maturity that's happening with him that's pretty exciting. I think he's going be a real good player, and all the things that we hoped and wished he would be, I think he'll be."

The 22-year-old wide receiver has had several problems since the Lions drafted him 10th overall in 2005. After he dropped a pass Oct. 8 at Minnesota, the Lions left him out of uniform for five straight games. He said he went though a time where he "kind of tanked it."

But Williams was back on the field Thanksgiving Day against Miami and caught his first pass of the season, a seven-yarder. He also dropped a pass. He is expected to receive significant playing time again Sunday at New England.

"I think sometimes young guys like that feel like it's personal or you don't like them or you're mad at them, and that's not the case ever," Martz said. "You're just waiting for them to understand what this is all about, really. I think that's going on right now with Mike, and that's good. ...

"He's still a ways a way. He still has a lot of work to do. But the attitude is really terrific, and he's trying to make it happen. You can work with anybody when they'll do that, and that's what's exciting about Mike. He gets it right now, I think. It's not going to be overnight, but he's going to end up being a real fine player."

You can take that at face value. The Lions have been hard on Williams. They have fined him tens of thousands of dollars for being overweight. They have kept him on the sidelines when they desperately needed help at receiver.

But you can be skeptical, too. Williams still hasn't reached the 220-pound weight target the Lions set for him this season, and the Lions are suddenly high on him at a convenient time.

The Lions have exhausted several options at receiver. Wide receiver Devale Ellis has a shoulder injury. The offense is struggling, especially in the red zone -- where Williams might be able to help most.

Williams is 6-feet-4 and 230 pounds or so. He has caught only one touchdown pass in the NFL, but he caught 30 in two seasons at USC.

"When he runs as fast as he can run, he's got plenty of speed," Martz said. "With his size, he can put his body on people and take that ball away. He has that knack. He's so strong in the legs. He can get out of cuts really quick like a little guy. ... He can do all the little guy type of routes and maybe not separate, but his body will create that type of advantage as opposed to that separation."

Is Martz praising Williams because he deserves it -- or because he needs to play him and the Lions can't appear to be lowering their standards? Are the Lions still hoping Williams will blossom for them -- or are they trying to increase the value of an asset they might want to deal in the off-season? Some combination of the above?

Whatever the reason, Williams must seize this opportunity. He still has to prove he can maintain a high level of performance.

"I had plans for myself this season," Williams said. "It obviously didn't work out for various reasons. But I can try to squeeze what I can out of these last few weeks and maximize it."

 
Are the Lions still hoping Williams will blossom for them -- or are they trying to increase the value of an asset they might want to deal in the off-season?
What are they going to get for this guy when they couldn't get a brass razoo for C Rogers?
 
Matt Leinart said that at USC Mike would not practice hard, but showed up on Saturdays. In the NFL you can`t get away with that. Maybe he is finally learning. I would love to see what a motivated Mike Williams can do.

 
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I really don't see this guy ever developing into an NFL player. He's been in the league quite awhile now and his coach is saying "He's still a ways a way. He still has a lot of work to do. But the attitude is really terrific....." The attitude mentioned is apparently Williams's attitude since when he was "tanking it". He doesn't seem physically fit enough to last a whole game, or mature enough to make it through a season.

 
Seems like we have a thread like this every other week.

Until I see him on the field, and get a few targets, he's going to remain worthless.

I have, and have had, him on a few teams, so I've followed him pretty closely...and I'm not holding my breath.

 
As a Lions fan, I'd love to see BMW get in games and perform, even if it's only for a few plays at a time. They don't really need him to be an every down WR (although that would be a plus). With Roy and Furrey as the top 2, I'd settle for BMW as a big target on passing plays.

I just want to see him making an effort in practice.

 
He's been in the league less than 2 years.
That's right. And at the end of 2 years he's still not in shape to play a whole game, and not mentally prepared to play and give a good effort. We're not talking about the intricacies of learning a gameplan and play execution like a QB has to learn, or blocking on every play like a guard. He has go run pass routes and catch the ball. And he's not yet capable of that, in his coach's eyes, after 2 years.
 
Really though, would you rather have BMW or John Madsen? And if its close (like it should be), well, you can pretty much see why people have dropped him from a lot of dynasty rosters ...

I am holding him on the DTS in leagues with no salary cap. If I had him in a salary cap league where he was sitting on a DTS at a hefty salary, I would drop him quick for a super-cheap speculative pickup like Madsen in a heartbeat ...

 
Really though, would you rather have BMW or John Madsen? And if its close (like it should be), well, you can pretty much see why people have dropped him from a lot of dynasty rosters ...I am holding him on the DTS in leagues with no salary cap. If I had him in a salary cap league where he was sitting on a DTS at a hefty salary, I would drop him quick for a super-cheap speculative pickup like Madsen in a heartbeat ...
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Really though, would you rather have BMW or John Madsen? And if its close (like it should be), well, you can pretty much see why people have dropped him from a lot of dynasty rosters ...I am holding him on the DTS in leagues with no salary cap. If I had him in a salary cap league where he was sitting on a DTS at a hefty salary, I would drop him quick for a super-cheap speculative pickup like Madsen in a heartbeat ...
:confused:
Why so?
 
Really though, would you rather have BMW or John Madsen? And if its close (like it should be), well, you can pretty much see why people have dropped him from a lot of dynasty rosters ...I am holding him on the DTS in leagues with no salary cap. If I had him in a salary cap league where he was sitting on a DTS at a hefty salary, I would drop him quick for a super-cheap speculative pickup like Madsen in a heartbeat ...
:confused:
Why so?
I don't know what DTS leagues are or who John Madsen is.
 
mnesvig said:
Beaumont said:
mnesvig said:
Beaumont said:
Really though, would you rather have BMW or John Madsen? And if its close (like it should be), well, you can pretty much see why people have dropped him from a lot of dynasty rosters ...I am holding him on the DTS in leagues with no salary cap. If I had him in a salary cap league where he was sitting on a DTS at a hefty salary, I would drop him quick for a super-cheap speculative pickup like Madsen in a heartbeat ...
:confused:
Why so?
I don't know what DTS leagues are or who John Madsen is.
DTS = Developmental Taxi Squad. Where you can keep rookies in dynasty leagues without giving them contracts and/or without having them count against your cap. John Madsen is 6-5/220 on the Raiders (approximately the same size as BMW, he is also a rook) and has about 115 yards this year so far and is looking fairly good ...The issue in most dynasty/salary cap leagues would be something like do you stash BMW (w/ hefty salary) or dump him for Madsen (w/ minimum salary) ...
 
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DTS = Developmental Taxi Squad. Where you can keep rookies in dynasty leagues without giving them contracts and/or without having them count against your cap. John Madsen is 6-5/220 on the Raiders (approximately the same size as BMW, he is also a rook) and has about 115 yards this year so far and is looking fairly good ...The issue in most dynasty/salary cap leagues would be something like do you stash BMW (w/ hefty salary) or dump him for Madsen (w/ minimum salary) ...
Gotcha. I'm in a league sort of like that too and for similar reasons have yet to pull the trigger on BMW.
 
this is clearly a ploy to motivate mike furrey

i feel dirty for stooping to a reply like that :(

 
As with threads ad nauseum on Charles Rogers, David Terrell, and others, people here need to understand that being a 1st round pick doesn't mean a player will eventually come around. Instead, just accept that the team made a mistake drafting. Be done with it and move on.

 
As with threads ad nauseum on Charles Rogers, David Terrell, and others, people here need to understand that being a 1st round pick doesn't mean a player will eventually come around. Instead, just accept that the team made a mistake drafting. Be done with it and move on.
:no: not easy enough - the team may have made the right choice, but the PLAYER gave up. The only indication the team shoulda had was that BMW joined a complete poophead (keeping it PG, but you know what I'm saying) in suing the NFL to get in while still eligible to play college ball. And that would seem to indicate he was anbxious to get to the NFL and become a PROFESSIONAL.

BTW, a player like BMW is a complete testament to why allowing under 20 year olds into the NFL is a really bad idea. If a 20-21 year old who played college ball for no money can't be mature enough to understand the opp in front of him when he gets into the NFL, how would a high schooler handle it?

Unlike baseball and basketball, the mental aspects of the NFL and the criteria imposed on players by the league and by coaches is VERY demanding and requires a LOT of dedication, discipline, and a certainl level of maturity.

BMW lacks all three.

 
As with threads ad nauseum on Charles Rogers, David Terrell, and others, people here need to understand that being a 1st round pick doesn't mean a player will eventually come around. Instead, just accept that the team made a mistake drafting. Be done with it and move on.
:no: not easy enough - the team may have made the right choice, but the PLAYER gave up. The only indication the team shoulda had was that BMW joined a complete poophead (keeping it PG, but you know what I'm saying) in suing the NFL to get in while still eligible to play college ball. And that would seem to indicate he was anbxious to get to the NFL and become a PROFESSIONAL.

BTW, a player like BMW is a complete testament to why allowing under 20 year olds into the NFL is a really bad idea. If a 20-21 year old who played college ball for no money can't be mature enough to understand the opp in front of him when he gets into the NFL, how would a high schooler handle it?

Unlike baseball and basketball, the mental aspects of the NFL and the criteria imposed on players by the league and by coaches is VERY demanding and requires a LOT of dedication, discipline, and a certainl level of maturity.

BMW lacks all three.
Dance around it any way you like. They drafted him high 1st round. He's been a bust not due to injury. They made a mistake drafting.
 
I think the exception here has been the "leash" Marinelli has put on him since day 1, cutting Rogers, and Mike actually putting forth an effort or so we've read.

 
As with threads ad nauseum on Charles Rogers, David Terrell, and others, people here need to understand that being a 1st round pick doesn't mean a player will eventually come around. Instead, just accept that the team made a mistake drafting. Be done with it and move on.
:no: not easy enough - the team may have made the right choice, but the PLAYER gave up. The only indication the team shoulda had was that BMW joined a complete poophead (keeping it PG, but you know what I'm saying) in suing the NFL to get in while still eligible to play college ball. And that would seem to indicate he was anbxious to get to the NFL and become a PROFESSIONAL.

BTW, a player like BMW is a complete testament to why allowing under 20 year olds into the NFL is a really bad idea. If a 20-21 year old who played college ball for no money can't be mature enough to understand the opp in front of him when he gets into the NFL, how would a high schooler handle it?

Unlike baseball and basketball, the mental aspects of the NFL and the criteria imposed on players by the league and by coaches is VERY demanding and requires a LOT of dedication, discipline, and a certainl level of maturity.

BMW lacks all three.
I agree. The reason players want to go to the NFL early is to cash in, not because they're anxious to be a professional. If you have agents whispering in your ear that you can be a top 5 or top 10 pick and be set for life, that an injury would keep you from being able to do that, and saying that they can beat the NFL in a lawsuit because both you and Clarett are going to challenge the system and the NFL wants you there, of course you're going to start thinking about it. I think what we're seeing is that Mike Williams was immature enough to want the money NOW, so much that he tried to fight the NFL, and I think we're also seeing that he was immature on the practice field once he got drafted. We have a player with a ton of talent who was immature, and a coaching staff that has taken a hard line with him and just may have gotten him to put in the effort.

If I'm reading this right, then I'm actually pretty impressed with the Lions. All the rumors out of training camp were that Williams was practicing hard, and they still weren't giving him a shot. Roy Williams tried to fight on his behalf, they still didn't give him his shot. He works his tail off the whole first half of the year despite not getting the playing time, and now they give him his shot. That's good coaching, and it may save his career.

 
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As with threads ad nauseum on Charles Rogers, David Terrell, and others, people here need to understand that being a 1st round pick doesn't mean a player will eventually come around. Instead, just accept that the team made a mistake drafting. Be done with it and move on.
:no: not easy enough - the team may have made the right choice, but the PLAYER gave up. The only indication the team shoulda had was that BMW joined a complete poophead (keeping it PG, but you know what I'm saying) in suing the NFL to get in while still eligible to play college ball. And that would seem to indicate he was anbxious to get to the NFL and become a PROFESSIONAL.

BTW, a player like BMW is a complete testament to why allowing under 20 year olds into the NFL is a really bad idea. If a 20-21 year old who played college ball for no money can't be mature enough to understand the opp in front of him when he gets into the NFL, how would a high schooler handle it?

Unlike baseball and basketball, the mental aspects of the NFL and the criteria imposed on players by the league and by coaches is VERY demanding and requires a LOT of dedication, discipline, and a certainl level of maturity.

BMW lacks all three.
I agree. The reason players want to go to the NFL early is to cash in, not because they're anxious to be a professional. If you have agents whispering in your ear that you can be a top 5 or top 10 pick and be set for life, that an injury would keep you from being able to do that, and saying that they can beat the NFL in a lawsuit because both you and Clarett are going to challenge the system and the NFL wants you there, of course you're going to start thinking about it. I think what we're seeing is that Mike Williams was immature enough to want the money NOW, so much that he tried to fight the NFL, and I think we're also seeing that he was immature on the practice field once he got drafted. We have a player with a ton of talent who was immature, and a coaching staff that has taken a hard line with him and just may have gotten him to put in the effort.

If I'm reading this right, then I'm actually pretty impressed with the Lions. All the rumors out of training camp were that Williams was practicing hard, and they still weren't giving him a shot. Roy Williams tried to fight on his behalf, they still didn't give him his shot. He works his tail off the whole first half of the year despite not getting the playing time, and now they give him his shot. That's good coaching, and it may save his career.
Mike Williams "Thought" he was working hard compared to what he did at USC. From the things that I heard in practice Williams would always being running the wrong routes and Kitna would throw to a spot he expected Williams to be and no one was there except a saftey.
 

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