Bobby Engram Out 6-8 Weeks (2 Viewers)

[The Ref]

Well - he was one of my largest value picks in PPR, but if he was going to get hurt I guess I am glad it was in the preseason.

Bobby Engram will miss the next 6-8 weeks after cracking a bone in his shoulder during Seattle's preseason opener.

It's a crushing blow for the Seahawks, but one that opens the door for Ben Obomanu or Courtney Taylor to start at flanker on opening day. Coach Mike Holmgren says Taylor will get the first look. Engram is by far the 'Hawks' most proven receiving option, so it's also a concern for Matt Hasselbeck. The optimistic end of Engram's timetable would have him out until Week 3. However, Engram is 35 and no sure bet to be back before midseason

 

[zamboni]

Wow - from a team that was loaded at the skill positions just a few years ago, this could be one of the league's worst offensive units.

 

[PahtyTom]

i wish i had something valuable to add but all i can say is wow that sucks

 

[KellysHeroes]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

ooooooooo

 

[packersfan]

Killer blow. I also loved him as a great value pick as a WR3 or WR4 in PPR leagues. That's gone now. And Hasselbeck's value takes a plunge as well. He's down to Burleson and a bunch of young guys.

 

[KellysHeroes]

picked him up in a dynasty or 2 last yr... he was gold.

the 1st major injury has struck... heal fast buddy

 

[The Ref]

Killer blow. I also loved him as a great value pick as a WR3 or WR4 in PPR leagues. That's gone now. And Hasselbeck's value takes a plunge as well. He's down to Burleson and a bunch of young guys.

I have had Engram on every single mock draft I have done this year so I am bumed. With that being said, I guess this creates a good opertunity to pick one of the other WR's late and get simular value.

 

[zadok]

Sorry, could we get a link?

 

[switz]

Say it with me Oh-bo-manu - "Bo knows"

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Say it with me Oh-bo-manu - "Bo knows"

The real answer is Courtney Taylor.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Ben Obamanu

 

[SDJohnny]

Seahawks Engram to miss 6 to 8 weeks

By CLARE FARNSWORTH

P-I REPORTER

KIRKLAND – The Seahawks' injury situation has gone from aggravating to roster altering, because leading receiver Bobby Engram will miss six to eight weeks with a cracked bone in his shoulder and the contract of defensive tackle Marcus Tubbs was terminated after he failing yet another physical because of his troublesome right knee.

Coach Mike Holmgren dropped these bombshell announcements Monday after the team's morning practice at its training camp.

Engram, who caught a franchise-record 94 passes last season, was injured after making the first catch of the game in the team's 34-17 victory against the Minnesota Vikings on Friday night. The injury will force the club to carry Engram on its 53-man roster even though he isn't expected to play until the after the bye week Sept. 28.

Compounding the situation at wide receiver is that Deion Branch remains on the physically unable to perform list as he recovers from reconstructive surgery on his left knee in January.

Holmgren remains hopeful that Branch will be ready for the regular-season opener, but that might be wishful thinking.

Tubbs, meanwhile, had additional swelling in his knee that needed reconstructive surgery after he tore a ligament in the final preseason game last summer.

A first-round draft choice in 2004, Tubbs is free to sign with another team. But Holmgren said he is hopeful that Tubbs can rejoin the Seahawks if his knee allows. Tubbs also had microfracture surgery on his left knee in 2006.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/374...seahawks11.html

 

[switz]

Say it with me Oh-bo-manu - "Bo knows"

The real answer is Courtney Taylor.

Not from what I've seen. Though as Engram played a lot of slot, I admit Taylor may get a shot there, as the better route runner. Obomanu is the better overall WR though.

 

[TLEF316]

picked him saturday as my WR4. Awesome.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

If Burleson doesn't put up decent numbers in the first 1/2 of the season with all this going on, he never will. How can Burleson not have 6-8 catches a game?

6 catches for 75 yards should be the absolute minimum, in good games sprinkle in a few more catches and yards and a TD.

 

[ScottyFargo]

picked him saturday as my WR4. Awesome.

Yes. First Willis has surgery today and now this. My Fantasy season is off to a brilliant start!

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

think they'll sign any FA vets? looking over the FA list I see (last signed team from 2007)...

Doug Gabriel (Cincinatti)

Jerome Mathis (Redskins)

Cedrick Wilson (Steelers)

Malcolm Floyd (Charger)

plus Kyle Brady was just released from the Patriots at TE ...

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Courtney Taylor-WR- Seahawks Aug. 11 - 2:42 pm et (Rotoworld)

Courtney Taylor will get the first look to start at flanker in place of Bobby Engram (shoulder).

Engram is supposed to miss 6-8 weeks, but we wouldn't be confident in him returning before Seattle's Week 4 bye. Taylor still must beat out Ben Obomanu, but if Taylor does he could have three nice matchups (@ BUF, vs. SF, vs. STL) as a starter to open the year. Taylor is well worth a late-round flier in 10-team leagues and appears setup for a big role in a good offense.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

picked him saturday as my WR4. Awesome.

Yes. First Willis has surgery today and now this. My Fantasy season is off to a brilliant start!

look at me, I draft before preseason starts? there is a reason most people don't draft this early

 

[ScottyFargo]

picked him saturday as my WR4. Awesome.

Yes. First Willis has surgery today and now this. My Fantasy season is off to a brilliant start!

look at me, I draft before preseason starts? there is a reason most people don't draft this early

Thanks for the lesson man!

 

[goodyear pimps]

Courtney Taylor-WR- Seahawks Aug. 11 - 2:42 pm et (Rotoworld)

Courtney Taylor will get the first look to start at flanker in place of Bobby Engram (shoulder).

Engram is supposed to miss 6-8 weeks, but we wouldn't be confident in him returning before Seattle's Week 4 bye. Taylor still must beat out Ben Obomanu, but if Taylor does he could have three nice matchups (@ BUF, vs. SF, vs. STL) as a starter to open the year. Taylor is well worth a late-round flier in 10-team leagues and appears setup for a big role in a good offense.

Color me confused...

 

[switz]

Courtney Taylor-WR- Seahawks Aug. 11 - 2:42 pm et (Rotoworld)

Courtney Taylor will get the first look to start at flanker in place of Bobby Engram (shoulder).

Engram is supposed to miss 6-8 weeks, but we wouldn't be confident in him returning before Seattle's Week 4 bye. Taylor still must beat out Ben Obomanu, but if Taylor does he could have three nice matchups (@ BUF, vs. SF, vs. STL) as a starter to open the year. Taylor is well worth a late-round flier in 10-team leagues and appears setup for a big role in a good offense.

Color me confused...

In the preseason games, they are going to give Taylor the first shot at starting in the flanker position. However, if the season were to start today, Obomanu would have that role. They basically think Taylor could be better than Obomanu and want to give him a shot, but at this point he hasn't proven he's better.

 

[TheWick]

What is the timetable on Deion Branch?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Courtney Taylor-WR- Seahawks Aug. 11 - 2:42 pm et (Rotoworld)

Courtney Taylor will get the first look to start at flanker in place of Bobby Engram (shoulder).

Engram is supposed to miss 6-8 weeks, but we wouldn't be confident in him returning before Seattle's Week 4 bye. Taylor still must beat out Ben Obomanu, but if Taylor does he could have three nice matchups (@ BUF, vs. SF, vs. STL) as a starter to open the year. Taylor is well worth a late-round flier in 10-team leagues and appears setup for a big role in a good offense.

Color me confused...

In the preseason games, they are going to give Taylor the first shot at starting in the flanker position. However, if the season were to start today, Obomanu would have that role. They basically think Taylor could be better than Obomanu and want to give him a shot, but at this point he hasn't proven he's better.

Is this based on Obo's 12 catches last season and zero in this pre-season ?I like Taylor as a prospect, but I just don't see how Obomanu's

performance has shown that he's a better WR than Taylor.

(BTW, I own Obo and Taylor in one league only)

.

 

[jurrassic]

This is a big hit to the Hasselbeck crowd. With no running game, and no real impact wr's, he doesn't look as appealing.

 

[msommer]

Crap.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If the Cardinals can't win the west this year, they can't win it ever.

 

[Hammerage]

There is also a chance in all of this that they get Branch back for the start of the season.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

This is a big hit to the Hasselbeck crowd. With no running game, and no real impact wr's, he doesn't look as appealing.

he'll still throw it more than ever though. to who? i dunno

 

[clinton_c]

I will now target Engram late in the draft to stick him in my IR spot.

He will probably be out till after their bye in week 4, so he will be back in time to help me through the bye weeks for my other WRs.

The only danger in this is that a few players start to get injured during those first 4 weeks....but he will have huge upside for such a low pick that it will allow me to take some chances on young RB's with potential like Chris Johnson and Ray Rice and still have that quality bench WR.

 

[switz]

Courtney Taylor-WR- Seahawks Aug. 11 - 2:42 pm et (Rotoworld)

Courtney Taylor will get the first look to start at flanker in place of Bobby Engram (shoulder).

Engram is supposed to miss 6-8 weeks, but we wouldn't be confident in him returning before Seattle's Week 4 bye. Taylor still must beat out Ben Obomanu, but if Taylor does he could have three nice matchups (@ BUF, vs. SF, vs. STL) as a starter to open the year. Taylor is well worth a late-round flier in 10-team leagues and appears setup for a big role in a good offense.

Color me confused...

In the preseason games, they are going to give Taylor the first shot at starting in the flanker position. However, if the season were to start today, Obomanu would have that role. They basically think Taylor could be better than Obomanu and want to give him a shot, but at this point he hasn't proven he's better.

Is this based on Obo's 12 catches last season and zero in this pre-season ?I like Taylor as a prospect, but I just don't see how Obomanu's performance has shown that he's a better WR than Taylor.

I just explained what the quote itself said. Taylor still has to beat out Obomanu. Period. Even though he's getting the first shot in preseason to fill the slot role, it's just preseason. They want to see what he has, it's not a guarantee he's going to play the regular season in that role.BTW, how many catches did Taylor have last season?

 

[Im A Rookie]

What does this do to Nate Burlesons Value???

Ive drafted Burleson with confidence a month back and thought he was on road for a breakout season without hacket and branch in there. Now engram??!! Hassebeck threw for 4,000 yards last year, this has to boost Burlesons value tremendously right????

 

[massraider]

think they'll sign any FA vets? looking over the FA list I see (last signed team from 2007)...Doug Gabriel (Cincinatti)Jerome Mathis (Redskins)Cedrick Wilson (Steelers)Malcolm Floyd (Charger)plus Kyle Brady was just released from the Patriots at TE ...

Wow. Not a sexy list.Just for the entertainment value, I'd like to see David Boston get a look.

 

[LHUCKS]

man...Glenn would have fit nicely into this system.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Courtney Taylor-WR- Seahawks Aug. 11 - 2:42 pm et (Rotoworld)

Courtney Taylor will get the first look to start at flanker in place of Bobby Engram (shoulder).

Engram is supposed to miss 6-8 weeks, but we wouldn't be confident in him returning before Seattle's Week 4 bye. Taylor still must beat out Ben Obomanu, but if Taylor does he could have three nice matchups (@ BUF, vs. SF, vs. STL) as a starter to open the year. Taylor is well worth a late-round flier in 10-team leagues and appears setup for a big role in a good offense.

Color me confused...

In the preseason games, they are going to give Taylor the first shot at starting in the flanker position. However, if the season were to start today, Obomanu would have that role. They basically think Taylor could be better than Obomanu and want to give him a shot, but at this point he hasn't proven he's better.

Is this based on Obo's 12 catches last season and zero in this pre-season ?I like Taylor as a prospect, but I just don't see how Obomanu's performance has shown that he's a better WR than Taylor.

I just explained what the quote itself said. Taylor still has to beat out Obomanu. Period.

I didn't realize we needed an explanation, thanks though.My comment has nothing to do with the quote,

and everything to do with why people think Obomanu

is the one to take the job, what has he done on the field to get the upper hand ?

Again, I own both so there is no agenda here.

 

[zamboni]

What does this do to Nate Burlesons Value???Ive drafted Burleson with confidence a month back and thought he was on road for a breakout season without hacket and branch in there. Now engram??!! Hassebeck threw for 4,000 yards last year, this has to boost Burlesons value tremendously right????

I don't think it's necessarily an upgrade for him - while he'll probably get more targets, I don't think he's good enough to take advantage of the increased coverage he'll draw.

 

[IM666]

think they'll sign any FA vets? looking over the FA list I see (last signed team from 2007)...Doug Gabriel (Cincinatti)Jerome Mathis (Redskins)Cedrick Wilson (Steelers)Malcolm Floyd (Charger)plus Kyle Brady was just released from the Patriots at TE ...

Wow. Not a sexy list.Just for the entertainment value, I'd like to see David Boston get a look.

Question, what about Adarius Bowman? Last info I read on him was he had a big game in the CFL. Is he just not NFL material? Is it because of his drug bust or is it because he is not talented enough?I guess he seems like a better choice over Gabriel, then again, who isn’t?

 

[CBower4545]

What does this do to Nate Burlesons Value???Ive drafted Burleson with confidence a month back and thought he was on road for a breakout season without hacket and branch in there. Now engram??!! Hassebeck threw for 4,000 yards last year, this has to boost Burlesons value tremendously right????

I don't think it's necessarily an upgrade for him - while he'll probably get more targets, I don't think he's good enough to take advantage of the increased coverage he'll draw.

I am not sure what to think of this yet for Burleson. I can't see this hurting him anyways, as far as how much it will help I don't know. I think this may end up helping Carlson more.

 

[Bri]

What does this do to Nate Burlesons Value???Ive drafted Burleson with confidence a month back and thought he was on road for a breakout season without hacket and branch in there. Now engram??!! Hassebeck threw for 4,000 yards last year, this has to boost Burlesons value tremendously right????

I don't think it's necessarily an upgrade for him - while he'll probably get more targets, I don't think he's good enough to take advantage of the increased coverage he'll draw.

Not pretending I can figure out whether he'll produce or not but, he certainly handled it OK that one year in Minny.

 

[Sweet Love]

If Burleson doesn't put up decent numbers in the first 1/2 of the season with all this going on, he never will. How can Burleson not have 6-8 catches a game?6 catches for 75 yards should be the absolute minimum, in good games sprinkle in a few more catches and yards and a TD.

I would not expect, nor blame Burleson if he does not hit those numbers...they extrapolate to 96 catches, 1200 yards and X TDs...would most likely make him a top 10 WR. I do think he can attain 70 receptions 1100 yards and about 6-8 TDs which certainly would make him a nice WR3 (which is even better than where he is going in drafts now). He has all the reason to succeed, but this does not make him a star receiver by default.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

If the Cardinals can't win the west this year, they can't win it ever.

Maybe Andy, but I hope the loss of just Bobby Engram doesn't make that decision for you. Somebody will need to just step up.I believe offensive lines make just about the entire offense. If you have a good offensive line, you'll be able to run the ball and pass the ball. If you don't, you can't do a thing.Before we downgrade Matt Hasslebeck too much, we need to evaluate how good their offensive line is, because of they give Hasslebeck time, he'll still do all right.

 

[zamboni]

What does this do to Nate Burlesons Value???Ive drafted Burleson with confidence a month back and thought he was on road for a breakout season without hacket and branch in there. Now engram??!! Hassebeck threw for 4,000 yards last year, this has to boost Burlesons value tremendously right????

I don't think it's necessarily an upgrade for him - while he'll probably get more targets, I don't think he's good enough to take advantage of the increased coverage he'll draw.

Not pretending I can figure out whether he'll produce or not but, he certainly handled it OK that one year in Minny.

He did do well that one year in 2004, but that was one year four years ago, and he had some help:Jermaine Wiggins 71 705 4 Nate Burleson 68 1006 9 Randy Moss 49 767 13 Marcus Robinson 47 657 8 It also helped that Culpepper had a monster season, with 39 TDs/11 INT/4717 yards. If Hasselback can somehow pull that off, then maybe Nate is destined for some good things this year.

 

[PahtyTom]

What does this do to Nate Burlesons Value???Ive drafted Burleson with confidence a month back and thought he was on road for a breakout season without hacket and branch in there. Now engram??!! Hassebeck threw for 4,000 yards last year, this has to boost Burlesons value tremendously right????

I don't think it's necessarily an upgrade for him - while he'll probably get more targets, I don't think he's good enough to take advantage of the increased coverage he'll draw.

Not pretending I can figure out whether he'll produce or not but, he certainly handled it OK that one year in Minny.

No, he didn't. He was awful without Moss there to take coverage away.

 

[gianmarco]

Does anyone else find it even mildly amusing that the loss of Bobby Engram (yes, Engram) is going to cause such a big blow to both Seattle's team as well as many fantasy football squads?

I mean, it sucks that he's out and I know he's been underrated for the last couple of years, but this is Bobby Engram. If he was truly one of the keys to Seattle's offensive success, then they have much bigger problems to worry about than Engram missing 6-8 weeks.

 

[bcr8f]

Say it with me Oh-bo-manu - "Bo knows" :X

The real answer is Touchdown Jordan Kent.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If the Cardinals can't win the west this year, they can't win it ever.

Maybe Andy, but I hope the loss of just Bobby Engram doesn't make that decision for you. Somebody will need to just step up.I believe offensive lines make just about the entire offense. If you have a good offensive line, you'll be able to run the ball and pass the ball. If you don't, you can't do a thing.Before we downgrade Matt Hasslebeck too much, we need to evaluate how good their offensive line is, because of they give Hasslebeck time, he'll still do all right.

Well here's a snippet from PFW:

SeattleJuly 30, 2008 Hole in middle of Seahawks' O-line hard to hideUpdated at 7:10 p.m. EDT Friday, Aug. 1While it’s hardly the center of attention in the Seahawks’ training camp, the team’s shaky situation at the center position in the camp’s early going is a cause for concern. With starting C Chris Spencer and veteran backup Chris Gray both missing practice because of back problems, the center role has been forced into the hands of a pair of young guards who've never played in a regular-season game — Steve Vallos and Mansfield Wrotto. Spencer’s absence is especially disconcerting. Team insiders tell us the former first-round pick is likely to miss at least the first 10-12 full-squad practices. While we’re told he has made progress in his ability to make the pre-snap calls on the line, which was a noticeable problem last season, the consensus is that he still needs to improve in that area, and sitting on the sideline certainly isn’t helping him any. There is one piece of encouraging news at the center position, though, as Wrotto appears to be at least holding his own in the absence of Spencer and Gray. Wrotto had been widely considered one of the most improved players on the roster heading into training camp, and his ability to play center, as well as guard, only serves to increase his long-term usefulness. As for Vallos, team sources think he could be in a battle right up to the final cutdown date for the last spot on the O-line with injury-prone veteran Floyd “Pork Chop” Womack.

I don't think that their o-line is very good and backs like Julius Jones and TJ Duckett (if he even makes the team) aren't good enough to create on their own. Signs are pointing to an offensive meltdown to me and with both the 49ers and Rams having lots of issues on their own, I think a Cardinals team on the rise should win this division.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Seahawks Engram to miss 6 to 8 weeks

Engram, who caught a franchise-record 94 passes last season, was injured after making the first catch of the game in the team's 34-17 victory against the Minnesota Vikings on Friday night. The injury will force the club to carry Engram on its 53-man roster even though he isn't expected to play until the after the bye week Sept. 28.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/374...seahawks11.html

Hang on - I'm a fan of Engram from a value play, but for those of you drafting from this point forward - he might even be more of a value play.Look at the details here. He is NOT going on the PUP - but will be on the 53 man roster. That means they expect him not to be out 6 weeks.

They also state that the ETA is after their bye - which comes early in Week 4. Should all of this hold true, he misses 3 games - just like Brandon Marshall and only one more than Steve Smith. The Seahawks' Week 5 game is on 10/05, nearly 8 weeks from today.

I'm not saying to take him as a WR3/4 at this point, but if he drops to WR40+ he could be a huge value and big contributor to your fantasy team(s) from Week 5 onward.

 

[PahtyTom]

If the Cardinals can't win the west this year, they can't win it ever.

Maybe Andy, but I hope the loss of just Bobby Engram doesn't make that decision for you. Somebody will need to just step up.I believe offensive lines make just about the entire offense. If you have a good offensive line, you'll be able to run the ball and pass the ball. If you don't, you can't do a thing.

Before we downgrade Matt Hasslebeck too much, we need to evaluate how good their offensive line is, because of they give Hasslebeck time, he'll still do all right.

I think a Cardinals team on the rise should win this division.

I'd say could. Seattle still has the best defense and QB in the division. Back to the topic at hand tho...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Have not seen it up at RedZone, ESPN, Sportsline...I don't doubt the story, but it would be nice if this broke somewhere else.

 

[Tau837]

Seahawks Engram to miss 6 to 8 weeks

Engram, who caught a franchise-record 94 passes last season, was injured after making the first catch of the game in the team's 34-17 victory against the Minnesota Vikings on Friday night. The injury will force the club to carry Engram on its 53-man roster even though he isn't expected to play until the after the bye week Sept. 28.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/374...seahawks11.html

Hang on - I'm a fan of Engram from a value play, but for those of you drafting from this point forward - he might even be more of a value play.Look at the details here. He is NOT going on the PUP - but will be on the 53 man roster. That means they expect him not to be out 6 weeks.

They also state that the ETA is after their bye - which comes early in Week 4. Should all of this hold true, he misses 3 games - just like Brandon Marshall and only one more than Steve Smith. The Seahawks' Week 5 game is on 10/05, nearly 8 weeks from today.

I'm not saying to take him as a WR3/4 at this point, but if he drops to WR40+ he could be a huge value and big contributor to your fantasy team(s) from Week 5 onward.

Exactly what I was thinking... except for the part that they don't expect him to be out 6 weeks even though they say he won't suit up until 8 weeks from now...