Bonus Points In Fantasy Football?!?!?!?! (1 Viewer)

[mdterps85]

Last year people at my work started a fantasy football league. I joined thinking it would be fun. Then they explained the point system to me and then I felt like leaving the league. This was the point system, bear with me....

.5 pts for every rush attempt/completion/reception

10 bonus points for 20 carries/20 completions/10 receptions

10 bonus points for 100 yd rushing game/300 yd passing game/100 yd receiving game

Everything else was pretty standard. I thought this point system was totally messed up and very inconsistant. The best record on the season was 10-7. Not many people were over .500. This year we changed the point system so that no points are awarded for attempts or completions but still .5 pts. for each recption(which i am fine with). Our current point system is...

.1 for every rush yard

1 pt for every 10 yds passing

.1 pt for every receiving yard

10 bonus points for 100 yd rushing game/300 yd passing game/100 yd receiving game

My question is how do you justify those 10 points??? A guy that rushes for 99 yards and scores a touchdown will score 15.9 points on a day while a guy who rushed for 100 yards and no touchdown will receive 20 points! I suggested that we make the bonus 5 points so that they receive extra points but it doesn't overshadow the touchdown. To me it seems unfair to the running back that put points on the board for his team. This scenario works the same with QBs and WRs, you have to score two TDs if you don't reach the benchmark to catch the other guy that did. They tell me that my argument is dried up and the only thing they can say back to me is "thats how it is." I can understand that a reward can be given for 100 yard games becasue they are hard to achieve but 10 bonus points seems excessive.

I also suggested that they get rid of that one yard buffer by making each yard after the bonus point worth more....say .25 points each which would make the player earn the bonus point and still giving them a chance to earn more points. The comeback they gave me was "thats too complicated". Am I the only one that feels like this is a cushin for people that don't know how to draft (ex. players like tiki barber who rush for a lot of yards and have few TDs)?

Can anyone explain to me how this bonus point system is fair at all?

Everyone in my other leagues tell me it is FUBAR. I need some people to weigh in on the issue so I can either show them they are crazy or realize my own insanity. So please give me your opinion and don't hold back!!!

Thanks -PT (SORRY IT WAS SLOPPY, I SPENT 2 MIN. ON IT)

 

[the rover]

"enter." it's your friend.

 

[Ilov80s]

Last year people at my work started a fantasy football league. I joined thinking it would be fun. Then they explained the point system to me and then I felt like leaving the league. This was the point system, bear with me.... .5 pts for every rush att., completion, rec. / and 10 bonus points for 20 carries, 20 comp. and 10 rec. / 10 bonus points for 100 yd rushing game, 300 yd pass game, 100 yd rec. game. Everything else was pretty standard. I thought this point system was totally messed up and very inconsistant. The best record on the season was 10-7. Not many people were over .500. This year we changed the point system so that no points are awarded for attempts or completions but still .5 pts. for each recption(which i am fine with). Our current point system is... .1 for every rush yd./ 1 pt for every 10 yds passing/ .1 pt for every rec. yard. 10 bonus points for 100 yd rush game/ 300 yd pass game / 100 yd rec. game. My question is how do you justify those 10 points??? A guy that rushes for 99 yards and scores a touchdown will score 15.9 points on a day while a guy who rushed for 100 yards and no touchdown will receive 20 points! I suggested that we make the bonus 5 points so that they get some points but it doesn't overshadow the touchdown. To me it seems unfair to the running back that put points on the board for his team. Which by the way, what is on the scoreboard at the end of the day is the only thing that matters, not how many yards a person has (Don't get me wrong, I do believe in rewarding yardage in FF). This scenario works the same with QBs and WRs. They tell me that my argument is dried up and the only thing they can say back to me is "thats how it is." I can understand that a reward can be given for 100 yard games becasue they are hard to achieve but the whole 10 bonus points seems excessive. I also suggested that they get rid of that one yard buffer by making each yard after the bonus point worth more....say .25 points each which would make the player earn the bonus point and still giving them a chance to earn more points. The comeback they gave me was "thats too complicated". Am I the only one that feels like it is a cushin for those people that don't know how to draft (ex. players like tiki barber who rush for a lot of yards and have few TDs)? Can anyone explain to me how this bonus point system is fair at all? Everyone in my other leagues tell me it is FUBAR. I need some people to weigh in on the issue so I can either show them they are crazy or realize my own insanity. So please give me your opinion and don't hold back!!! Thanks -PT

Do you have any idea how difficult this is to read? Its just one big blur of words. A football message board may be a far cry from the a dissertation, but some basic organization and arrangement is required for a post of this length.

 

[cobalt_27]

Last year people at my work started a fantasy football league. I joined thinking it would be fun. Then they explained the point system to me and then I felt like leaving the league. This was the point system, bear with me.... .5 pts for every rush att., completion, rec. / and 10 bonus points for 20 carries, 20 comp. and 10 rec. / 10 bonus points for 100 yd rushing game, 300 yd pass game, 100 yd rec. game. Everything else was pretty standard. I thought this point system was totally messed up and very inconsistant. The best record on the season was 10-7. Not many people were over .500. This year we changed the point system so that no points are awarded for attempts or completions but still .5 pts. for each recption(which i am fine with). Our current point system is... .1 for every rush yd./ 1 pt for every 10 yds passing/ .1 pt for every rec. yard. 10 bonus points for 100 yd rush game/ 300 yd pass game / 100 yd rec. game. My question is how do you justify those 10 points??? A guy that rushes for 99 yards and scores a touchdown will score 15.9 points on a day while a guy who rushed for 100 yards and no touchdown will receive 20 points! I suggested that we make the bonus 5 points so that they get some points but it doesn't overshadow the touchdown. To me it seems unfair to the running back that put points on the board for his team. Which by the way, what is on the scoreboard at the end of the day is the only thing that matters, not how many yards a person has (Don't get me wrong, I do believe in rewarding yardage in FF). This scenario works the same with QBs and WRs. They tell me that my argument is dried up and the only thing they can say back to me is "thats how it is." I can understand that a reward can be given for 100 yard games becasue they are hard to achieve but the whole 10 bonus points seems excessive. I also suggested that they get rid of that one yard buffer by making each yard after the bonus point worth more....say .25 points each which would make the player earn the bonus point and still giving them a chance to earn more points. The comeback they gave me was "thats too complicated". Am I the only one that feels like it is a cushin for those people that don't know how to draft (ex. players like tiki barber who rush for a lot of yards and have few TDs)? Can anyone explain to me how this bonus point system is fair at all? Everyone in my other leagues tell me it is FUBAR. I need some people to weigh in on the issue so I can either show them they are crazy or realize my own insanity. So please give me your opinion and don't hold back!!! Thanks -PT

First, as the post above indicated, use your paragraph skills. This is a mess to read.Second, you asked about fairness when there isn't a fairness issue at all. If your players had one system of scoring while your opponent had another, that would be unfair. You may think it's ridiculous, and that's fine. There are merits to rewarding the "milestones," if for nothing else, it really engages people into rooting patterns for those few extra yards to gain the big points. It's a matter of personal taste and nothing more. I happen to use the milestone scoring in my league and would never consider turning back. But, I understand why some folks like to stick strictly to the metrics of rewarding production on the field without the bonuses. It's just a matter of personal preference. If you're going to whine about the scoring all year, it's probably a good idea to get out of the league rather than harass your commish over how he's scoring things.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I have never liked bonus scoring, like 3 points for 100 yards rushing. Why should 100 yards be worth 3 more points than 99?

I just think it is too gimmicky.

 

[Ten Yard Fight]

I have never liked bonus scoring, like 3 points for 100 yards rushing. Why should 100 yards be worth 3 more points than 99? I just think it is too gimmicky.

Milestone bonuses have merit. I have a rock solid local league that's had the same owners for 10 years. We did away with the milestone bonuses and everyone misses them. I had all the same justifications you had for removing them, but they liked it. They like rooting for that milestone, and there's no such thing as an "unfair" scoring system when everyone knows it going into the draft...

 

[Nookular Power]

I have never liked bonus scoring, like 3 points for 100 yards rushing. Why should 100 yards be worth 3 more points than 99? I just think it is too gimmicky.

Ditto. If they're there, though, they shouldn't be worth more than a touchdown (agree with the OP here) -- 3 seems about right for major single-game yardage milestones.

 

[switz]

Last year people at my work started a fantasy football league. I joined thinking it would be fun. Then they explained the point system to me and then I felt like leaving the league. This was the point system, bear with me.... .5 pts for every rush att., completion, rec. / and 10 bonus points for 20 carries, 20 comp. and 10 rec. / 10 bonus points for 100 yd rushing game, 300 yd pass game, 100 yd rec. game. Everything else was pretty standard. I thought this point system was totally messed up and very inconsistant. The best record on the season was 10-7. Not many people were over .500. This year we changed the point system so that no points are awarded for attempts or completions but still .5 pts. for each recption(which i am fine with). Our current point system is... .1 for every rush yd./ 1 pt for every 10 yds passing/ .1 pt for every rec. yard. 10 bonus points for 100 yd rush game/ 300 yd pass game / 100 yd rec. game. My question is how do you justify those 10 points??? A guy that rushes for 99 yards and scores a touchdown will score 15.9 points on a day while a guy who rushed for 100 yards and no touchdown will receive 20 points! I suggested that we make the bonus 5 points so that they get some points but it doesn't overshadow the touchdown. To me it seems unfair to the running back that put points on the board for his team. Which by the way, what is on the scoreboard at the end of the day is the only thing that matters, not how many yards a person has (Don't get me wrong, I do believe in rewarding yardage in FF). This scenario works the same with QBs and WRs. They tell me that my argument is dried up and the only thing they can say back to me is "thats how it is." I can understand that a reward can be given for 100 yard games becasue they are hard to achieve but the whole 10 bonus points seems excessive. I also suggested that they get rid of that one yard buffer by making each yard after the bonus point worth more....say .25 points each which would make the player earn the bonus point and still giving them a chance to earn more points. The comeback they gave me was "thats too complicated". Am I the only one that feels like it is a cushin for those people that don't know how to draft (ex. players like tiki barber who rush for a lot of yards and have few TDs)? Can anyone explain to me how this bonus point system is fair at all? Everyone in my other leagues tell me it is FUBAR. I need some people to weigh in on the issue so I can either show them they are crazy or realize my own insanity. So please give me your opinion and don't hold back!!! Thanks -PT

Thank you for illustrating the failings of our public school systems...However, the only issue I have with milestones is the value of the bonus. 10 points for a 100 yard game is basically a 100% bonus. That's ridiculous. If it was 2 or 3 points, I wouldn't see any problem with it.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I fail to see how the owner who has a player get 100 yards deserves 3 points more than the owner who has a player who got 99. This is also a scoring feature that is not determined by skill. It's pure luck and too gimmicky.

 

[Prof. Chaos]

Local league still uses the old Miller Lite system, bonus points for distance td.s

td 10-39 yds= 9 points 40+ =12 points. fg. 5 points 39-49yds 10 pts 50+ yds.

May be wrong but I think this evens out value of wr,qb since most rushing tds are short runs.

Also makes you do your home work on qb.s and wr.s on who throws/catches bombs.

Adds to the excitement of watching the long pass sail down field hoping for that 12 point play.

As well as watching a kick sail 50+ yds. knowing it is 10 points if good.

Also play in a dynasty ppr league which I find kind of bland in comparison.

 

[SuperJohn96]

My eyes hurt.

 

[Reality Football]

Basic league traditionalists laugh at your league.

 

[IM666]

I thought I was reading Matrix code...

 

[MarcO]

We do a +2 pts at 150 yds for WRs and RBs and a +2 at 350 yds for a QB. It is a reward for an outstanding day.

Don't most "purist" leagues do a 3pts for FG under 40 yds - 4pts for 40-50, 5pts, for 50+ ? Same idea, just as gimicky...

As for the OP - unfair - no. Ridiculous - yes.

 

[PranksterJD]

I fail to see how the owner who has a player get 100 yards deserves 3 points more than the owner who has a player who got 99. This is also a scoring feature that is not determined by skill. It's pure luck and too gimmicky.

Agreed. However, there are ways to accommodate rewarding higher-yardage games. For example, in my league, RBs get 1 pt/20 yards from 0-80, and from 81-* gets 1 pt/10 yards. Playing 6 pts/TD, it basically means a 100 yard game is worth a touchdown. Not perfect admittedly, but it does do a decent job of giving higher points for players that have better yardage totals, without having the problem of the 99 yd vs. 100 yd. games.

 

[mwaldo13]

I have never liked bonus scoring, like 3 points for 100 yards rushing. Why should 100 yards be worth 3 more points than 99?

I just think it is too gimmicky.

Ditto. If they're there, though, they shouldn't be worth more than a touchdown (agree with the OP here) -- 3 seems about right for major single-game yardage milestones.

Remember too, that giving points for yardage at all isn't really having scoring only for production on the field. If that were the case we'd all play in TD-only leagues.In other words, what about all of the sharks on this board that say the only way to go is with decimal scoring? Seriously? So 61 yards should be worth more than a TD? And before you attack that question, think about what's really more important...the 61 yards or the TD. What about a full season...976 yds or 16 TD's?

The point I'm trying to make is that FF scoring is all about personal preference. For each of you that argue for decimal scoring or against bonuses or for 6pt TD passes, I can find some on the other side of that arguement.

Personally, I think the OP's concern is valid as I wouldn't want to participate in anything that crazy, but to each his own. If he doesn't like it, he shouldn't be in the league. But if he does, "C'est la vie!"

 

[mdterps85]

I have never liked bonus scoring, like 3 points for 100 yards rushing. Why should 100 yards be worth 3 more points than 99? I just think it is too gimmicky.

Milestone bonuses have merit. I have a rock solid local league that's had the same owners for 10 years. We did away with the milestone bonuses and everyone misses them. I had all the same justifications you had for removing them, but they liked it. They like rooting for that milestone, and there's no such thing as an "unfair" scoring system when everyone knows it going into the draft...

You're right about everyone knowing before you go in but I am asking how you justify 10 points? Is that 1 yard really worth more than a touchdown?

 

[mdterps85]

I have never liked bonus scoring, like 3 points for 100 yards rushing. Why should 100 yards be worth 3 more points than 99?

I just think it is too gimmicky.

Ditto. If they're there, though, they shouldn't be worth more than a touchdown (agree with the OP here) -- 3 seems about right for major single-game yardage milestones.

Remember too, that giving points for yardage at all isn't really having scoring only for production on the field. If that were the case we'd all play in TD-only leagues.In other words, what about all of the sharks on this board that say the only way to go is with decimal scoring? Seriously? So 61 yards should be worth more than a TD? And before you attack that question, think about what's really more important...the 61 yards or the TD. What about a full season...976 yds or 16 TD's?

The point I'm trying to make is that FF scoring is all about personal preference. For each of you that argue for decimal scoring or against bonuses or for 6pt TD passes, I can find some on the other side of that arguement.

Personally, I think the OP's concern is valid as I wouldn't want to participate in anything that crazy, but to each his own. If he doesn't like it, he shouldn't be in the league. But if he does, "C'est la vie!"

Yeah I really wish I wasn't in the league but I was under the impression that the bonus points were abolished. The comissioner didn't want them but there were a few guys (3) who he said complained until they were blue in the face. So the night of the draft is when I found out and I didn't want to abandon them at the last second. I understand that scoring is personal preference but it should still be fair. I still don't see how the scenario I explained above is hardly fair!

 

[mdterps85]

Local league still uses the old Miller Lite system, bonus points for distance td.std 10-39 yds= 9 points 40+ =12 points. fg. 5 points 39-49yds 10 pts 50+ yds.May be wrong but I think this evens out value of wr,qb since most rushing tds are short runs.Also makes you do your home work on qb.s and wr.s on who throws/catches bombs.Adds to the excitement of watching the long pass sail down field hoping for that 12 point play.As well as watching a kick sail 50+ yds. knowing it is 10 points if good.Also play in a dynasty ppr league which I find kind of bland in comparison.

Yeah I like this system because it deals with scoring a TD.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I'd like to know a true benefit of bonuses...meaning something that skill is rewarded for. That is one thing I just don't see, and the main reason I think they are gimmicky.

 

[Blood Farmer]

I have never liked bonus scoring, like 3 points for 100 yards rushing. Why should 100 yards be worth 3 more points than 99? I just think it is too gimmicky.

Milestone bonuses have merit. I have a rock solid local league that's had the same owners for 10 years. We did away with the milestone bonuses and everyone misses them. I had all the same justifications you had for removing them, but they liked it. They like rooting for that milestone, and there's no such thing as an "unfair" scoring system when everyone knows it going into the draft...

I agree. If you are watching the game it really adds a lot of excitement. When your guy is four yards from the bonus or your opponents guy need five more completions it enhances the experience. When you are just looking at the scores the next day it does nothing.Unfortunately, most leagues have done away with bonus scoring because of the ubiquitous use of automated scoring which has even made fractional scoring common. Linear scoring systems are the most "logic" just not the most "fun"

 

[Christo]

I have never liked bonus scoring, like 3 points for 100 yards rushing. Why should 100 yards be worth 3 more points than 99? I just think it is too gimmicky.

Isn't any FF scoring system other than a basic TD league "gimmicky?"

 

[mdterps85]

I have never liked bonus scoring, like 3 points for 100 yards rushing. Why should 100 yards be worth 3 more points than 99? I just think it is too gimmicky.

Milestone bonuses have merit. I have a rock solid local league that's had the same owners for 10 years. We did away with the milestone bonuses and everyone misses them. I had all the same justifications you had for removing them, but they liked it. They like rooting for that milestone, and there's no such thing as an "unfair" scoring system when everyone knows it going into the draft...

I agree. If you are watching the game it really adds a lot of excitement. When your guy is four yards from the bonus or your opponents guy need five more completions it enhances the experience. When you are just looking at the scores the next day it does nothing.Unfortunately, most leagues have done away with bonus scoring because of the ubiquitous use of automated scoring which has even made fractional scoring common. Linear scoring systems are the most "logic" just not the most "fun"

So what you are saying is that being logical can't be fun? I'd rather have logic behind a point system. It is Fantasy Football, what isn't fun about that? Score a player for his true skill, not for an objective milestone!