Bounceback Players (1 Viewer)

[Bojang0301]

Dude, you literally started this entire argument with me. How are you even going to sit here and throw shade at me? I started a thread to discuss bounceback players.

It's just common sense that a Runningback CAN'T CATCH THE BALL if he's on the bench because the coach doesn't trust him to pass block. You can't argue that. I never said you can't be a viable fantasy contributor if you don't pass block well, only that your opportunity is limited. If you want to argue that, you're arguing against basic logic.

You are using nothing but conjector and opinion to support your narrative. Pass blocking efficiency didn’t matter for LT2, Kareem Hunt, CMC, Ray Rice, Chris Johnson, Steven Jackson, Frank Gore or Melvin Gordon. You look like a fool arguing such.

Youre not using logic at all and you could take about 5 ####### minutes to read the links I provided to show that your narrative is false.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

You are using nothing but conjector and opinion to support your narrative. Pass blocking efficiency didn’t matter for LT2, Kareem Hunt, CMC, Ray Rice, Chris Johnson, Steven Jackson, Frank Gore or Melvin Gordon. You look like a fool arguing such.

Youre not using logic at all and you could take about 5 ####### minutes to read the links I provided to show that your narrative is false.

Please stop insulting me and think about what you're doing. This is a fantasy football website and you're really wasting your time to call me a "fool" because we disagree about pass blocking. Back to the argument, Michel can't hold the jockstrap of all those guys listed in bold.

Those guys are exceptions to the rule and while they're not GREAT pass blockers; they can get the job done, more importantly those are some of the best players to ever play at the RB position. Hell, two of those players ran for 2,000 yards in one-season. If you can run for 2,000 in a season, then no, pass blocking isn't important. A few of those RBs are HOFers. Go ahead and focus on them instead of the thousands of Runningbacks who have busted since LT2 first entered the league. It's not the best argument. You're saying that pass blocking for Runningbacks isn't important because on a list of ALL PRO running backs a few were poor pass blockers?

If Sony Michel was even CLOSE to the talent of those guys, I wouldn't care if he could pass block or not. Point is, he's not. He's not LT. He's not Adrian Peterson. He's not Chris Johnson. He's not Steven Jackson. He's not Frank Gore. He's not Melvin Gordon. 
 

I'm done. Not arguing anymore, we're gonna have to agree to disagree before this gets uglier for no reason. To you, it doesn't matter if Sony Michel can pass block because a list of ALL PRO players weren't the best pass blockers. Roger that, makes sense. Sony Michel is going to be an All Pro player and should be held in the same regard as those players. I understand now, sorry for being so foolish! 

 

[nirad3]

Wow, OK.  Back to your regularly scheduled programming....

How about Allen Robinson?  Improving offense, and an offense that WILL be throwing a lot.  Clear-cut path to the #1 on said offense.  Kevin White can't stay on the field, Taylor Gabriel is a gadget guy and Anthony Miller needs seasoning and projects better as a WR2.

 

[avina1]

Wow, OK.  Back to your regularly scheduled programming....

How about Allen Robinson?  Improving offense, and an offense that WILL be throwing a lot.  Clear-cut path to the #1 on said offense.  Kevin White can't stay on the field, Taylor Gabriel is a gadget guy and Anthony Miller needs seasoning and projects better as a WR2.

yes all the way. And yes I am a Bears fan and am drinking that koolaid. A lot of my bounce-back players are mainly due to injury but Robinson is on that list.

Another one is Mike Williams. Tyrell showed he's not really a #2 last year. Mike Williams can emerge as the legit #2 (outside of Hunter Henry) and a big time red zone threat for Rivers. As long as he works at his craft and works on technique against press instead of just bodying out opponents, he could be in for a solid year. Missed out on a lot of development last year.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

Mine are based on bad performance, not missing chunks of games to injury.

QB: Eli (unless injuries count, then it’s obviously Luck and Tannehill). He’ll get OBJ back, a better offensive system, and Barkley to take attention of the defense.

RB: Abudullah... just kidding. Howard. I know he has a decent season last year but it was slightly underwhelming. He’s primed for a lot of TDs this year. Cohen will be there but I think Howard can hold him off because they will want to grind the ball.

WR: both the Broncos. It’s cheating a little bit they will both be money this year with a competent QB. Picking that offense as a whole to be very productive.

TE: Enron. Different team and with Luck back, we know the TE will be targetted. Doyle is a possession guy and Ebron has never been used to his potential

I like your list, however, more iffy on Ebron.  

 

[The Man With No Name]

Come on guys. Everyone should know it's Christine Michael

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[-OZ-]

. Pass blocking efficiency didn’t matter for LT2, Kareem Hunt, CMC, Ray Rice, Chris Johnson, Steven Jackson, Frank Gore or Melvin Gordon. 

If Sony Michel was even CLOSE to the talent of those guys, I wouldn't care if he could pass block or not. Point is, he's not. He's not LT. He's not Adrian Peterson. He's not Chris Johnson. He's not Steven Jackson. He's not Frank Gore. He's not Melvin Gordon. 

left the relevant parts of your posts.

What exactly are you basing your comment about Michel not being close to the talent of some of the guys listed? He might not, but he looked really good in college and the best team in the NFL thought he was good enough to take in the first. (Granted, BB hasn't been perfect when it comes to picks).  He's probably not Tomlinson and doesn't have the speed of Chris Johnson, but he absolutely could perform as well as the others. 

But, one of the biggest difference imo anyway, is none of those guys played with a 40+ yo QB, whom I assume protecting him is vital. If Michel doesn't learn to block adequately, it makes sense that his time will be limited.  

I don't remember Hill being a great pass blocker but I honestly wasn't watching him looking for that skill.

 

[msommer]

I don't remember Hill being a great pass blocker but I honestly wasn't watching him looking for that skill.

Wasn't Gio Bernard used more on 3rd down than Hill?

 

[-OZ-]

Wasn't Gio Bernard used more on 3rd down than Hill?

Yes. I attributed that to Gio's receiving ability. Maybe it was more than that?

 

[zamboni]

TE: Enron. 

From what we saw in Detroit, he's definitely not among the smartest guys in the room.

 

[msommer]

Yes. I attributed that to Gio's receiving ability. Maybe it was more than that?

It may have been a mix of several factors, cartainly his receiving ability played a role.

Suffice to say we actually do not necessarily have a lot of data on Hill's pass blocking ability since he wasn't in on 3rd down that often

 

[Bfrahm3]

yes all the way. And yes I am a Bears fan and am drinking that koolaid. A lot of my bounce-back players are mainly due to injury but Robinson is on that list.

Another one is Mike Williams. Tyrell showed he's not really a #2 last year. Mike Williams can emerge as the legit #2 (outside of Hunter Henry) and a big time red zone threat for Rivers. As long as he works at his craft and works on technique against press instead of just bodying out opponents, he could be in for a solid year. Missed out on a lot of development last year.

I wouldn't really say tyrell showed he wasn't a #2. Caught 62% of his passes but he only got 69 targets because Keenan is a stud and gets the majority of the targets. I don't think Mike Williams gets much more of a target share then tyrell did this year and wouldn't do that much more with it. I think that's always been the case with Rivers tho.

 

[Return of the Sheep]

John Brown, Willie Snead, Joe Flacco

Joe will be motivated to keep his job with the rook lighting a fire under his hind end. Someone will have to catch the balls and I think brown and snead have nice bounce back seasons. 

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Share a bounceback player for 2018!

• Nick Chubb
  

Prior to his gruesome knee injury in 2015, Chubb was well on his way to shattering Herschel Walker’s records at Georgia, averaging a ridiculous 7.4 YPC with 24 TDs through 18 games.

If 2016 was Chubb’s stepping-stone season, then 2017 was his welcome all the way back campaign. He posted a top-five elusive rating in this year’s draft class and averaged 3.8 yards after contact, besting his sensational freshman season.

 

[tangfoot]

Joe will be motivated to keep his job with the rook lighting a fire under his hind end. Someone will have to catch the balls and I think brown and snead have nice bounce back seasons. 

So he'll bounce back to a low-end QB2?

 

[Mookie]

Does Will Fuller count?  He blew up with Watson at QB (albeit very TD dependent), got hurt, and then came back to QB misery.

 

[ericttspikes]

Easiest answer is 

David Johnson.  He's so forgotten right now and good god this boy is going for over 2k yardage this year.  Bet.  

He hasn't slipped past #5 in the 6 ppr redrafts I've done so far. Mostly gone by #3. Not consensus #1 or #2 like last year, but coming off injury, new coach and new QB a slide of 2-3 spots isn't too crazy. 

 

[Stealthycat]

David Johnson.  He's so forgotten right now and good god this boy is going for over 2k yardage this year.  Bet.

I traded OBJ for David Johnson a few weeks back - he might be the only RB who can run 300/1200 and 15TD's and then catch 70/700 4Td's realistically

He will be the #1 fantasy RB