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People saying Vick should wins this hands down must have either missed or simply forgotten about the games where Brady utterly destroyed the great defenses belonging to the Steelers, Jets and Bears. Those three performances are more impressive than anything Vick has done this year, including his dismantling of a pathetic Redskins defense that didn't even look like it was trying.

 
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Just Win Baby said:
I said yards dude...yards. His rushing stats count.
So do turnovers and sacks. Brady is ahead in total yards, total TDs, turnovers, and sacks. Sure, Vick has closed the gap in these areas, but leading is leading. Most importantly, he is leading in wins, and by a solid margin (4 wins). And context (supporting cast issues, quality of defense, strength of schedule, reputation, etc.) all favors Brady.At this point, there really is no case for Vick to win over Brady.
I agree, leading is leading. You are being a bit nitty about the 12 wins vs 8 wins thing though. I think if both teams end up getting 1st round byes, nobody is gonna give a crap. I guess the flip side to that is vick has 1 loss. Also, a difference of 1 turnover, doesn't seem worthy of pointing out. They are both deserving right now and I think Vick should win it if he continues to tear it up the next 2 weeks.
I'm being "nitty" about the fact that Brady has 50% more wins? 50% more is quite a bit. :lmao:As for the difference of just 1 turnover, keep in mind that Brady has handled the ball a lot more... 502 combined passing attempts, rushing attempts, and sacks for Brady, compared to 449 for Vick. That's more "nitty" than the wins IMO.And I think you are completely off base that if both get first round byes nobody will care about these details. The fact is that MVP is always a decision between great season performances, and this year is no different. It may come down to splitting hairs, and right now all factors favor Brady.
You are being nitty cause you keep hammering away at 4 games more.."4 games more". We all know Vick missed 3 games. How about winning percentage? They've lost 2 games he's started and he only played a 1/4 of that game...and i'm totally down with counting that against him. Take a look at your touches too. Vick has 50 less than brady? Not bad considering he played 1/2 a game in GB, 1/4 of a game in Wash and missed 3 games. Looks like he is pretty damn valuable to their success. What I meant was that nobody is going to say that Vick isn't deserving because he only won 10 games if the Eagles go 12-4 and get a 1st round bye.
 
People saying Vick should wins this hands down must have either missed or simply forgotten about the games where Brady utterly destroyed the great defenses belonging to the Steelers, Jets and Bears. Those three performances are more impressive than anything Vick has done this year, including his dismantling of a pathetic Redskins defense that didn't even look like it was trying.
He crushed the Giants twice. They are pretty decent imo. Nice half vs the Pack too. But, brady's sched> Vick's for sure.
 
People saying Vick should wins this hands down must have either missed or simply forgotten about the games where Brady utterly destroyed the great defenses belonging to the Steelers, Jets and Bears. Those three performances are more impressive than anything Vick has done this year, including his dismantling of a pathetic Redskins defense that didn't even look like it was trying.
He crushed the Giants twice. They are pretty decent imo. Nice half vs the Pack too. But, brady's sched> Vick's for sure.
Whoa whoa. I wouldn't say crushed in either matchup. I'm glad we won but we won by the skin of justin tuck's glove in the first game. Literally, Justin Tuck was within an inch of batting the toss from Vick to Shady on his big TD run on the 4th and 1. Thats how close it was from big win to crushing defeat. Then yesterday was definitely no picnic. We barely showed up till 8 minutes left in the game. Vick's been awesome but Brady's been unstopable.
 
Brady is the MVP, he is ahead of Vick statistically in just about every meaningful category. I realize he has played more games but once again that is another reason why Vick won't get it.

 
Vick was great yesterday, but his play didn't seal the game; Jackson's did. Now imagine Brady with Jackson and Maclin stretching the field. Vick will get comeback player of the year, which he rightfully deserves. Brady is the unquestioned leader of a team playing the best football in the league. Without him they'd be middle of the road.

 
Bradys carrying the Patriots just as much. Without him they are a .500 team at best.
People said the same thing in 2008.
The year they didn't make the playoffs, right?
:clap: Simply awful
Indeed. It is strange that people don't want to give Matt Cassel his propers and realize that he also merits MVP consideration. The guy is a very good QB.
 
Where were all the detractors when he had back to back 300/4/0 games against the Jets and Bears in a blizzard?
No one is saying Brady sucks, or that he shouldn't be MVP (if not it's super close), rather that last night's game was not an MVP supporting performance. The people trying to make excuses for last night's performance are the ones that are being irrational.
non sequitur
 
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Brady led the Pats to a great comeback last night too. He was an efficient machine, taking no time to get down the field AND he set the NFL record for pass attempts without an interception. If anything, I think Brady locked it up last night.
I assume this is a parody post where you mock irrational Patriots fans?Brady was 15-24 for 163 yards. His team almost lost at home to a Matt Flynn-led Packers team that lost to the Lions a week prior. Sure he had two TDs ... one was set up by a fluke kickoff return to the 5. His amazing "game-winning drive," which came at the start of the 4th quarter, featured only three passes, none longer than 16 yards.

He was fine last night. Adequate is probably a good word for it. But an MVP doesn't need a fourth-quarter drive to beat Matt Flynn at home.
Not sure how Brady loses MVP votes based on last night's performance. The offense had the ball for less than 20 minutes and still put up 24 points against one of the best defenses in the NFL.
And Tom Brady had very little to do with that. NE's first "offensive" scoring drive:

B.Green-Ellis right end to NE 32 for 5 yards (52-C.Matthews, 50-A.Hawk).

T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to 83-W.Welker (21-C.Woodson).

T.Brady pass short middle to 87-R.Gronkowski pushed ob at GB 43 for 25 yards (37-S.Shields).

T.Brady sacked at 50 for -7 yards (90-B.Raji).

T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to 87-R.Gronkowski (21-C.Woodson).

T.Brady pass deep left to 84-D.Branch pushed ob at GB 33 for 17 yards (37-S.Shields).

B.Green-Ellis right guard for 33 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

He completed two passes on that drive, one short pass which Gronkowski picked up a ton of YAC, and one 17 yard pass.

NE's second "offensive" scoring drive:

Connolly's 71 yard return had more to do with this score than Brady, who passed 3 times, for a whopping 4 yards and the TD to Hernandez, who put a great move on Woodson. - So what, Hernandez was probably Brady's 5th look on that pass and u give him little or no credit for punching it in. I just watched the Cutler fail to put the ball in the end zone in a similar situation.

NE's third offensive scoring drive:

T.Brady pass deep left to 83-W.Welker pushed ob at GB 38 for 35 yards (26-C.Peprah).

D.Woodhead left end to GB 31 for 7 yards (93-E.Walden).

T.Brady pass short middle to 42-B.Green-Ellis to GB 22 for 9 yards (50-A.Hawk).

B.Green-Ellis up the middle to GB 22 for no gain (90-B.Raji, 79-R.Pickett).

D.Woodhead up the middle to GB 20 for 2 yards (55-D.Bishop).

T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to 11-J.Edelman. Yeah, this one went right of the hands of Edelman or it would have likely gone for a 1st down.

S.Graham 38 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-48-M.Katula, Holder-14-Z.Mesko.

Brady completed two of three passes on that drive for 44 yards.

NE's fourth offensive scoring drive:

T.Brady pass short left to 39-D.Woodhead to NE 49 for 12 yards (21-C.Woodson).

D.Woodhead left guard to GB 44 for 7 yards (93-E.Walden).

D.Woodhead left guard to GB 39 for 5 yards (55-D.Bishop). Penalty on GB-52-C.Matthews, Defensive Offside, declined.

T.Brady pass deep middle to 84-D.Branch to GB 23 for 16 yards (38-T.Williams) [21-C.Woodson].

D.Woodhead right tackle to GB 10 for 13 yards (55-D.Bishop, 93-E.Walden).

T.Brady pass short left to 85-A.Hernandez for 10 yards, TOUCHDOWN. - Umm, THE game winning drive, but u manage to credit shoddy tackling.

Brady played well this drive, but the TD was a result of shoddy tackling, which the commentators noted during the broadcast.

I'm not trying to knock Brady, he is a very good QB, but anyone trying to take last night's game as evidence of how great Brady is either didn't watch it, or are simply blinded by Brady love. Brady was awful last night, he was for the most part outplayed by a third string QB on the opponent's side.
:blackdot: Switzy, Switzy, Switzy........Of course you are trying to knock Brady, it is what you do.

Was Brady top notch last night? Of course not, but 2 TDs, 0 Ints, a 110 QB rating and game winning 4th quarter drive against arguably the best defense in football is only "awful" in Switzerland and only when the qb is Brady :thumbup:

Again it is another example of your bias getting the best of you.

His performance was good, not great and certainly not awful.

 
IIRC, Brady hit Welker or Hernandez for a would be first down and the receiver dropped the ball.
IIRC Brady also hit Charles Woodson right in the hands too for a sure INT, but he dropped it. Did you give Brady credit for the INT too?
The past 2 games, Brady has been very lucky not to have thrown an INT. 2 or 3 balls could have been picked over the past 2 games, none more obvious than the Woodson drop. I recall Urlacher getting his hands on a ball last week, also.But thats not really the point being made here... The point was that NE failed to get a first down & kill clock on the final drive. However, if the QB puts the ball on the hands of the receiver past the first down marker, it's tough to blame the QB for failing to get a first down if the receiver drops it.
Drops are almost always the fault of both the QB and the WR. Depends on how catchable the ball was. I don't remember well enough what happened on that drop- or on the other incompletion on that drive- so I can't sayThe broader point, though, is that in the eyes of some Brady fans, everything good that happens is because of Brady's God-like talents, and everything bad that happens is not his fault. Looking at this game as a microcosm- the New England fan sentiment seems to be that Brady led the team down the field on a key clutch 4th quarter drive to take the lead ... ignoring, of course, that he completed only three passes on that drive and that two of them are labeled as "short" in the NFL play by play summary. In other words, virtually all the yardage gained on that drive came via running (either after the catch or on handoffs) by other New England players, not through the air.
And atagonists such as yourself like to pretend that short passes are easy, as if it's so simple (anyone can do it) for the QB to look a defense over, audible when needed, get his players and protection aligned where they are supposed to be, instantly identify the best receiver to throw to and hit the guy in stride so the guy has a chance for yac.You act like this is so easy, well if it is so damn easy why doesn't everyone do it? Answer, because it may look easy when you are blindly using stats to evaluate play, but it aint easy. But you know that don't you..........
But then when these same fans turn to the final drive, it's not Brady's fault they went 3 and out, the receiver just dropped his perfect pass (ignoring the fact that there were two incompletions in those three plays).It highlights the often irrational evaluations of the guy from his hometown fans. It's not enough for some Pats fans that the rest of the world considers him one of the all-time greats; he must be held up as a God, above all others, even if that means diminishing the skills and accomplishments of other Patriots players.
Will you stop it already with this ka-rapp. The OP started this thread on the premise that Brady had NO CHANCE at the MVP and you are shocked, absolutley shocked to find gambling going on in this establishment......Come on, your MO is to come into NE based threads, pick 1 or 2 over the top post by Pats backers and then use it as an excuse to trash all or most of us as irrational blah, blah blah.....You have to be getting tired.Don't you?To your credit you typically then take it down a notch or 2 and your later posts become a lot more reasonable in nature (as u did in this thread), but only after fanning the flames a bit. But I guess that is the fun part of it...........
 
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