Brandon Jackson receiving high praise (1 Viewer)

[Man in the yellow hat]

For what it's worth...Also a good read on the RB situation in Green Bay.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=758755

Second-year running Jackson puts on the afterburners, especially down the sidelines, in some runs in practice. He looks more like the guy who put up 113 yards against Detroit than the green rookie in September who struggled when the Packers were desperate for a starter to carry the running game.

"Brandon Jackson is an explosive runner," said Bennett. "This kid has all the tools necessary for being a successful running back at this level and I think at the end of last year, you started to see what this kid was capable of doing. Explosive. Breaks tackles.

"Everything we thought he was. I see the kid getting stronger every day in the weight room, doing a phenomenal job in the classroom. He's an attention-to-detail kind of guy, he's maturing, he's growing up, and I think you'll be able to see that on the field this year."

Rodgers added that no running back has improved more in catching the ball than Jackson. Rodgers and coach Mike McCarthy also credited Jackson for improvement in picking blitzes in practice.

 

[sholditch]

I am avoiding the Pack running game for this reason. Jackson started to come on at the end of the season and iirc he was a first or second round pick, so there is probably some pressure from the FO to use him.

 

[BigJim®]

I love these reports where one guy is holding out and the coaches fall all over themselves talking up the depth chart.

Team-speak translation: "Better sign a reasonable long term deal Ryan Grant, and get to practice."

 

[gianmarco]

I love these reports where one guy is holding out and the coaches fall all over themselves talking up the depth chart.Team-speak translation: "Better sign a reasonable long term deal Ryan Grant, and get to practice."

He's not holding out. He doesn't have a contract in place and isn't allowed to practice. Big difference.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I love these reports where one guy is holding out and the coaches fall all over themselves talking up the depth chart.Team-speak translation: "Better sign a reasonable long term deal Ryan Grant, and get to practice."

He's not holding out. He doesn't have a contract in place and isn't allowed to practice. Big difference.

Either way, he wants a ton of money and TT doesn't want to overpay him. This article was a transparent attempt to bolster Jackson's confidence while also encouraging Grant to sign a reasonable deal.

 

[TheFanatic]

I love these reports where one guy is holding out and the coaches fall all over themselves talking up the depth chart.Team-speak translation: "Better sign a reasonable long term deal Ryan Grant, and get to practice."

He's not holding out. He doesn't have a contract in place and isn't allowed to practice. Big difference.

Either way, he wants a ton of money and TT doesn't want to overpay him. This article was a transparent attempt to bolster Jackson's confidence while also encouraging Grant to sign a reasonable deal.

 

[gianmarco]

It's not that he wants a "ton of money". He's just not going to sign the $370k tender that was originally in place. Can you blame him? Seriously, some of you act as if a player should just sign anything and get out there. That's a joke. This is not a "holdout" of any kind. They are just trying to reach the middle ground and get him signed. He's been there every day itching to get out there. Read the reports.

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Another:

Packers | Grant unlikely to hold out - from www.KFFL.com

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:15:51 -0700

Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ryan Grant said he does not see a scenario in which he would hold out of the team's training camp. Grant has yet to sign his $370,000 exclusive rights free agent qualifying offer. He stated that he is not worried about the situation and is confident that a deal will get done.

(Rotoworld) Ryan Grant says his agent and the Packers have had "good communication" in talks about a new contract.

Impact: "I'm here," he said. "I'm taking care of my part." Grant isn't willing to sign his $370,000 exclusive rights tender. Since he'd also be an ERFA in 2008, the Packers might buy out those seasons for $1 million or so annually. But with only 15 games on his career resume, he shouldn't be expecting much more.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I love these reports where one guy is holding out and the coaches fall all over themselves talking up the depth chart.Team-speak translation: "Better sign a reasonable long term deal Ryan Grant, and get to practice."

He's not holding out. He doesn't have a contract in place and isn't allowed to practice. Big difference.

Either way, he wants a ton of money and TT doesn't want to overpay him. This article was a transparent attempt to bolster Jackson's confidence while also encouraging Grant to sign a reasonable deal.

Disagree. You look at the O-Line's play August vs. Nov/Dec. last year and they made significant improvement. Jackson himself ran with more authority and simply looked more comfortable late in the year. I can see how you would easily come to the above conclusion. It's ironic timing. But just because it's ironic, doesn't automatically translate to "talking up the depth chart". The stats also lend credability to Jackson is actually improving.

 

[bostonfred]

I love these reports where one guy is holding out and the coaches fall all over themselves talking up the depth chart.Team-speak translation: "Better sign a reasonable long term deal Ryan Grant, and get to practice."

He's not holding out. He doesn't have a contract in place and isn't allowed to practice. Big difference.

Either way, he wants a ton of money and TT doesn't want to overpay him. This article was a transparent attempt to bolster Jackson's confidence while also encouraging Grant to sign a reasonable deal.

I think that's a good interpretation of the situation, but I really believe that Jackson has a chance to take this job, or at least have a substantial role in the Green Bay backfield. With Grant going in the first and Jackson going in the twelfth or later, I've been trying to get Jackson cheaply everywhere I can.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

It's not that he wants a "ton of money". He's just not going to sign the $370k tender that was originally in place. Can you blame him? Seriously, some of you act as if a player should just sign anything and get out there. That's a joke. This is not a "holdout" of any kind. They are just trying to reach the middle ground and get him signed. He's been there every day itching to get out there. Read the reports.

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Packers | Grant unlikely to hold out - from www.KFFL.com

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:15:51 -0700

Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ryan Grant said he does not see a scenario in which he would hold out of the team's training camp. Grant has yet to sign his $370,000 exclusive rights free agent qualifying offer. He stated that he is not worried about the situation and is confident that a deal will get done.

nothing you wrote is mutually exclusive vs. what I wrote. TT wants him signed for cheap, Grant wants more money. only one person - Big Jim - mentioned the word "holdout", so it's not as if the entire board is en masse suggesting a Grant holdout.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I love these reports where one guy is holding out and the coaches fall all over themselves talking up the depth chart.Team-speak translation: "Better sign a reasonable long term deal Ryan Grant, and get to practice."

He's not holding out. He doesn't have a contract in place and isn't allowed to practice. Big difference.

Either way, he wants a ton of money and TT doesn't want to overpay him. This article was a transparent attempt to bolster Jackson's confidence while also encouraging Grant to sign a reasonable deal.

I think that's a good interpretation of the situation, but I really believe that Jackson has a chance to take this job, or at least have a substantial role in the Green Bay backfield. With Grant going in the first and Jackson going in the twelfth or later, I've been trying to get Jackson cheaply everywhere I can.

I don't disagree in the least.

 

[gianmarco]

It's not that he wants a "ton of money". He's just not going to sign the $370k tender that was originally in place. Can you blame him? Seriously, some of you act as if a player should just sign anything and get out there. That's a joke. This is not a "holdout" of any kind. They are just trying to reach the middle ground and get him signed. He's been there every day itching to get out there. Read the reports.

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Another:

Packers | Grant unlikely to hold out - from www.KFFL.com

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:15:51 -0700

Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ryan Grant said he does not see a scenario in which he would hold out of the team's training camp. Grant has yet to sign his $370,000 exclusive rights free agent qualifying offer. He stated that he is not worried about the situation and is confident that a deal will get done.

nothing you wrote is mutually exclusive vs. what I wrote. TT wants him signed for cheap, Grant wants more money. only one person - Big Jim - mentioned the word "holdout", so it's not as if the entire board is en masse suggesting a Grant holdout.

Reading back, that may be the case, but I also haven't seen anywhere that he's requesting "big money". In fact, I haven't seen any numbers coming out. I don't think any of us know where the impasse at this point is, whether it's the amount of $$ or the length or anything else. So, to say he's asking for big $$ may or may not be accurate. But, you are right that Big Jim was the only one that mentioned a holdout.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Always liked him. Hope he continues to improve.

 

[sho nuff]

I love these reports where one guy is holding out and the coaches fall all over themselves talking up the depth chart.Team-speak translation: "Better sign a reasonable long term deal Ryan Grant, and get to practice."

He's not holding out. He doesn't have a contract in place and isn't allowed to practice. Big difference.

Either way, he wants a ton of money and TT doesn't want to overpay him. This article was a transparent attempt to bolster Jackson's confidence while also encouraging Grant to sign a reasonable deal.

No...he wants a long term deal and TT is working towards that with him. Please don't make things up.

 

[sho nuff]

It's not that he wants a "ton of money". He's just not going to sign the $370k tender that was originally in place. Can you blame him? Seriously, some of you act as if a player should just sign anything and get out there. That's a joke. This is not a "holdout" of any kind. They are just trying to reach the middle ground and get him signed. He's been there every day itching to get out there. Read the reports.

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Another:

Packers | Grant unlikely to hold out - from www.KFFL.com

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:15:51 -0700

Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ryan Grant said he does not see a scenario in which he would hold out of the team's training camp. Grant has yet to sign his $370,000 exclusive rights free agent qualifying offer. He stated that he is not worried about the situation and is confident that a deal will get done.

nothing you wrote is mutually exclusive vs. what I wrote. TT wants him signed for cheap, Grant wants more money. only one person - Big Jim - mentioned the word "holdout", so it's not as if the entire board is en masse suggesting a Grant holdout.

Now...every GM would like to sign a player "cheap" as possible...but do you have anything to go on that says TT wants him signed cheap? Please stop making things up that simply have not been said or are not true.

 

[Bob Henry]

While there may be some underlying motivational fluff involved in this piece (for Grant and Jackson both), I have some friends who have spoken with the Packers training staff and confirmed much of this story to me - LAST YEAR.

I know this is grape vine stuff and I don't really like to bandy that type of here-say around these parts. However, like the poster above, I think Jackson improved a lot from the beginning of last year to the end of last year as did the entire offensive line. I also believe that Jackson has worked harder, gotten stronger and if Grants slips up even a little bit.. Jackson could seize the job and run with it much like Grant did last year.

Let's just put it this way. In a dynasty/keeper league, I wouldn't be buying Grant for what owners are asking for him right now. He definitely has value, but Jackson could still end up being the more valuable player long-term.

 

[moderated]

What the coaches are saying about Jackson has 0 to do with the Grant situation.

They really do like Jackson a lot and i posted similar info about month ago that i heard (from my brother who is neighbors with someone high up in the organization) saying the same thing.

That doesn't mean Grant isn't the man in GB, but Jackson WILL play a larger role in the running game then many are anticipating.

The staff likes Jackson a lot and feels he has improved a ton, that isn't coach speak trying to manipulate Grant, it's fact.

 

[moderated]

While there may be some underlying motivational fluff involved in this piece (for Grant and Jackson both), I have some friends who have spoken with the Packers training staff and confirmed much of this story to me - LAST YEAR.I know this is grape vine stuff and I don't really like to bandy that type of here-say around these parts. However, like the poster above, I think Jackson improved a lot from the beginning of last year to the end of last year as did the entire offensive line. I also believe that Jackson has worked harder, gotten stronger and if Grants slips up even a little bit.. Jackson could seize the job and run with it much like Grant did last year. Let's just put it this way. In a dynasty/keeper league, I wouldn't be buying Grant for what owners are asking for him right now. He definitely has value, but Jackson could still end up being the more valuable player long-term.

Posting something similar right after you.If i had to pick a guy right at this moment in a dynasty league i'd obviously take Grant straight up over Jackson, but at their current perceived values Grant is quite over-rated and Jackson grossly under-rated long term IMO.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Some good stuff in this thread. I agree, just because a rookie guy who came out early and 'struggled' doesn't mean he won't 'get it' down the road. I'm sure that's a lot of pressure when everyone expects you to be the guy.

 

[BoltBacker]

I love these reports where one guy is holding out and the coaches fall all over themselves talking up the depth chart.Team-speak translation: "Better sign a reasonable long term deal Ryan Grant, and get to practice."

He's not holding out. He doesn't have a contract in place and isn't allowed to practice. Big difference.

Either way, he wants a ton of money and TT doesn't want to overpay him. This article was a transparent attempt to bolster Jackson's confidence while also encouraging Grant to sign a reasonable deal.

No...he wants a long term deal and TT is working towards that with him. Please don't make things up.

Why would he want a long term deal? Long term deals don't benefit the player. He may want a large signing bonus, which GB will only give him with a long term deal, but that's not the same as wanting a long term deal.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

It's not that he wants a "ton of money". He's just not going to sign the $370k tender that was originally in place. Can you blame him? Seriously, some of you act as if a player should just sign anything and get out there. That's a joke. This is not a "holdout" of any kind. They are just trying to reach the middle ground and get him signed. He's been there every day itching to get out there. Read the reports.

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Another:

Packers | Grant unlikely to hold out - from www.KFFL.com

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:15:51 -0700

Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ryan Grant said he does not see a scenario in which he would hold out of the team's training camp. Grant has yet to sign his $370,000 exclusive rights free agent qualifying offer. He stated that he is not worried about the situation and is confident that a deal will get done.

nothing you wrote is mutually exclusive vs. what I wrote. TT wants him signed for cheap, Grant wants more money. only one person - Big Jim - mentioned the word "holdout", so it's not as if the entire board is en masse suggesting a Grant holdout.

Now...every GM would like to sign a player "cheap" as possible...but do you have anything to go on that says TT wants him signed cheap? Please stop making things up that simply have not been said or are not true.

seriously, don't be a complete tool. it's not exactly a stretch to assume TT wants to sign Grant for CHEAPER than Grant wants to sign for. Or for a shorter contract. OBVIOUSLY they disagree on what the deal should entail, or else THE DEAL WOULD ALREADY BE SIGNED.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Brandon Jackson's 1st three games played last year: 38 rushes, 97 yards (2.5/rush); 11 receptions, 81 yards (7.4/rec)

Brandon Jackson's last three games played in 2007: 31 carries, 172 yards (5.6/rush); 4 receptions, 48 yards (12.0/rec)

I own him in all five dynasties, so obviously am vested - but I own him because if ever there was a 2nd round+ guy that fit the model of a successful NFL RB it's Brandon Jackson. Ryan Grant has obviously put up a roadblock as far as opportunity goes, but Jackson is almost certainly talented enough to become a quality starter in the NFL.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Some good stuff in this thread. I agree, just because a rookie guy who came out early and 'struggled' doesn't mean he won't 'get it' down the road. I'm sure that's a lot of pressure when everyone expects you to be the guy.

He was an underclassman that only started one year. I think most people expected a learning curve, but those who didn't were certainly disappointed.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Some good stuff in this thread. I agree, just because a rookie guy who came out early and 'struggled' doesn't mean he won't 'get it' down the road. I'm sure that's a lot of pressure when everyone expects you to be the guy.

He was an underclassman that only started one year. I think most people expected a learning curve, but those who didn't were certainly disappointed.

He didn't even start the whole year really. At the beginning of 2006 he was in a pack of four guys vying for the starting spot and had less than 200 carries his junior (last) year.

 

[switz]

The stats also lend credability to Jackson is actually improving.

Well, he really had nowhere to go but up.I was one of the biggest detractors from Jackson last year, when everyone on these boards couldn't love him enough. Frankly, it was obvious he did not have the goods to come in and produce at the NFL immediately.After a season, as he learns the game better, he may turn into a serviceable RB, reminds me a Vince Workman.

 

[mdog1967]

Brandon Jackson's 1st three games played last year: 38 rushes, 97 yards (2.5/rush); 11 receptions, 81 yards (7.4/rec)

Brandon Jackson's last three games played in 2007: 31 carries, 172 yards (5.6/rush); 4 receptions, 48 yards (12.0/rec)

I own him in all five dynasties, so obviously am vested - but I own him because if ever there was a 2nd round+ guy that fit the model of a successful NFL RB it's Brandon Jackson. Ryan Grant has obviously put up a roadblock as far as opportunity goes, but Jackson is almost certainly talented enough to become a quality starter in the NFL.

One of those statements that got me giggling so hard I almost peed myself. "Finger Tip Tackle Jackson" PLEASE STOP ALREADY. JJ ARRINGTON is the secret twin brother of Jackson. The only difference is Arrington would fall down and curl up prior to contact, where as Jackson just cant break a tackle. Sad thing is they are both better than Cedric Benson.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

LOL, fantasy footballers really are the most hard-headed, stubborn group of people that are totally unwilling to learn from the past, aren't they? That's not a knock on anyone, it's just the nature of this game.

How many times have we seen this? A first year starter (whether it be a rookie or via some other means) fails and in the next offseason the reports come out that he looks so good in practice that a cancer patient watching him is instantly cured, while everyone on the boards writes off year 1 to "adjusting to the NFL game" or "learning the game" after which he soon falls off the face of the planet.

Get over it people, it doesn't take 3 years for a RB to learn how to run the football. The "he really hasn't played RB that long excuse" has nothing backing it up either. Willie Parker barely had a carry after high school and had no problem jumping right in. Hell, we don't even have to leave the team as Ryan Grant didn't have all that much more experience than Jackson in college and hit his stride in game 1 with the Packers.

I'll see you guys next year when Matt Forte or Kevin Smith have fallen flat on their face and we all hear about how they look like the next incarnation of Walter Payton in practice just before they fall off the face of the fantasy football planet.

 

[sho nuff]

I love these reports where one guy is holding out and the coaches fall all over themselves talking up the depth chart.

Team-speak translation: "Better sign a reasonable long term deal Ryan Grant, and get to practice."

He's not holding out. He doesn't have a contract in place and isn't allowed to practice. Big difference.

Either way, he wants a ton of money and TT doesn't want to overpay him. This article was a transparent attempt to bolster Jackson's confidence while also encouraging Grant to sign a reasonable deal.

No...he wants a long term deal and TT is working towards that with him. Please don't make things up.

Why would he want a long term deal? Long term deals don't benefit the player. He may want a large signing bonus, which GB will only give him with a long term deal, but that's not the same as wanting a long term deal.

Ask him...because that is what he is asking for,.http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/p...0708/1989/GPG02

However, after a 1½-hour conversation with Packers negotiator Russ Ball late last week, Herman said the team is open to a long-term deal, though it will require major compromises by both sides.

 

[sho nuff]

It's not that he wants a "ton of money". He's just not going to sign the $370k tender that was originally in place. Can you blame him? Seriously, some of you act as if a player should just sign anything and get out there. That's a joke. This is not a "holdout" of any kind. They are just trying to reach the middle ground and get him signed. He's been there every day itching to get out there. Read the reports.

One link

Another:

Packers | Grant unlikely to hold out - from www.KFFL.com

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:15:51 -0700

Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ryan Grant said he does not see a scenario in which he would hold out of the team's training camp. Grant has yet to sign his $370,000 exclusive rights free agent qualifying offer. He stated that he is not worried about the situation and is confident that a deal will get done.

nothing you wrote is mutually exclusive vs. what I wrote. TT wants him signed for cheap, Grant wants more money. only one person - Big Jim - mentioned the word "holdout", so it's not as if the entire board is en masse suggesting a Grant holdout.

Now...every GM would like to sign a player "cheap" as possible...but do you have anything to go on that says TT wants him signed cheap? Please stop making things up that simply have not been said or are not true.

seriously, don't be a complete tool. it's not exactly a stretch to assume TT wants to sign Grant for CHEAPER than Grant wants to sign for. Or for a shorter contract. OBVIOUSLY they disagree on what the deal should entail, or else THE DEAL WOULD ALREADY BE SIGNED.

Its not what you said...but thanks for the insults...you claimed tt wanted to sign him for cheap.They disagree on some details and are working towards it...but again...stop making things up and passing off crap as fact.

Tool? wow...good one.

 

[sho nuff]

LOL, fantasy footballers really are the most hard-headed, stubborn group of people that are totally unwilling to learn from the past, aren't they? That's not a knock on anyone, it's just the nature of this game.How many times have we seen this? A first year starter (whether it be a rookie or via some other means) fails and in the next offseason the reports come out that he looks so good in practice that a cancer patient watching him is instantly cured, while everyone on the boards writes off year 1 to "adjusting to the NFL game" or "learning the game" after which he soon falls off the face of the planet.Get over it people, it doesn't take 3 years for a RB to learn how to run the football. The "he really hasn't played RB that long excuse" has nothing backing it up either. Willie Parker barely had a carry after high school and had no problem jumping right in. Hell, we don't even have to leave the team as Ryan Grant didn't have all that much more experience than Jackson in college and hit his stride in game 1 with the Packers.I'll see you guys next year when Matt Forte or Kevin Smith have fallen flat on their face and we all hear about how they look like the next incarnation of Walter Payton in practice just before they fall off the face of the fantasy football planet.

The same Wiilie Parker that had all of 32 carries his 1st year in the league?

 

[ThePittbully]

It's not that he wants a "ton of money". He's just not going to sign the $370k tender that was originally in place. Can you blame him? Seriously, some of you act as if a player should just sign anything and get out there. That's a joke. This is not a "holdout" of any kind. They are just trying to reach the middle ground and get him signed. He's been there every day itching to get out there. Read the reports.

One link

Another:

Packers | Grant unlikely to hold out - from www.KFFL.com

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:15:51 -0700

Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ryan Grant said he does not see a scenario in which he would hold out of the team's training camp. Grant has yet to sign his $370,000 exclusive rights free agent qualifying offer. He stated that he is not worried about the situation and is confident that a deal will get done.

(Rotoworld) Ryan Grant says his agent and the Packers have had "good communication" in talks about a new contract.

Impact: "I'm here," he said. "I'm taking care of my part." Grant isn't willing to sign his $370,000 exclusive rights tender. Since he'd also be an ERFA in 2008, the Packers might buy out those seasons for $1 million or so annually. But with only 15 games on his career resume, he shouldn't be expecting much more.

Just curious, what are the rules on this. Since he doesnt have a contract, what happens if they dont reach an agreement? Can Ryan Grant become a free agent?

 

[cstu]

It's not that he wants a "ton of money". He's just not going to sign the $370k tender that was originally in place. Can you blame him? Seriously, some of you act as if a player should just sign anything and get out there. That's a joke. This is not a "holdout" of any kind. They are just trying to reach the middle ground and get him signed. He's been there every day itching to get out there. Read the reports.

One link

Another:

Packers | Grant unlikely to hold out - from www.KFFL.com

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:15:51 -0700

Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ryan Grant said he does not see a scenario in which he would hold out of the team's training camp. Grant has yet to sign his $370,000 exclusive rights free agent qualifying offer. He stated that he is not worried about the situation and is confident that a deal will get done.

(Rotoworld) Ryan Grant says his agent and the Packers have had "good communication" in talks about a new contract.

Impact: "I'm here," he said. "I'm taking care of my part." Grant isn't willing to sign his $370,000 exclusive rights tender. Since he'd also be an ERFA in 2008, the Packers might buy out those seasons for $1 million or so annually. But with only 15 games on his career resume, he shouldn't be expecting much more.

Just curious, what are the rules on this. Since he doesnt have a contract, what happens if they dont reach an agreement? Can Ryan Grant become a free agent?

Is he in the same situation that Gates was in?

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

It's not that he wants a "ton of money". He's just not going to sign the $370k tender that was originally in place. Can you blame him? Seriously, some of you act as if a player should just sign anything and get out there. That's a joke. This is not a "holdout" of any kind. They are just trying to reach the middle ground and get him signed. He's been there every day itching to get out there. Read the reports.

One link

Another:

Packers | Grant unlikely to hold out - from www.KFFL.com

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:15:51 -0700

Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ryan Grant said he does not see a scenario in which he would hold out of the team's training camp. Grant has yet to sign his $370,000 exclusive rights free agent qualifying offer. He stated that he is not worried about the situation and is confident that a deal will get done.

nothing you wrote is mutually exclusive vs. what I wrote. TT wants him signed for cheap, Grant wants more money. only one person - Big Jim - mentioned the word "holdout", so it's not as if the entire board is en masse suggesting a Grant holdout.

Now...every GM would like to sign a player "cheap" as possible...but do you have anything to go on that says TT wants him signed cheap? Please stop making things up that simply have not been said or are not true.

seriously, don't be a complete tool. it's not exactly a stretch to assume TT wants to sign Grant for CHEAPER than Grant wants to sign for. Or for a shorter contract. OBVIOUSLY they disagree on what the deal should entail, or else THE DEAL WOULD ALREADY BE SIGNED.

Its not what you said...but thanks for the insults...you claimed tt wanted to sign him for cheap.They disagree on some details and are working towards it...but again...stop making things up and passing off crap as fact.

Tool? wow...good one.

"please stop making up things" -- dude, that's a jack*** thing to say. I'm not intentionally "making stuff up" - like EVERYONE on this board, I'm speculating based on imperfect info.Sorry for the insult - but I saw your comment as intentionally confrontational, when it was unnecessary to be a jerk. My mistake.

 

[BigJim®]

He's not holding out.

"Holding out" can't apply to situations where a guy is tendered and refuses to sign because he wants more money? Geesh. Technical shmechnical. My point stands, this artical had an obvious agenda.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

The stats also lend credability to Jackson is actually improving.

Well, he really had nowhere to go but up.I was one of the biggest detractors from Jackson last year, when everyone on these boards couldn't love him enough. Frankly, it was obvious he did not have the goods to come in and produce at the NFL immediately.After a season, as he learns the game better, he may turn into a serviceable RB, reminds me a Vince Workman.

You know that if he turns out to be good I'm going to bump your comments on him and rip you, right? It's because I like you. Trying to say everyone here loved him is a joke. Packer fans hated the pick.

 

[Tecmo]

I love these reports where one guy is holding out and the coaches fall all over themselves talking up the depth chart.Team-speak translation: "Better sign a reasonable long term deal Ryan Grant, and get to practice."

yeah, a lot of fluff pieces have been coming out about Brandon Jackson lately. Might be some contract negotiation leverage. I can see the receiving props though, as Jackson did average 8 yds off his 16 catches last year. He's definitely a strong candidate for 3rd down duties if his pass blocking is good. The Ryan Grant contract situation is very interesting. Their low tender could be interpreted as take this deal and 'show me again' as Grant would still be an exclusive rights free agent in 09. OR it could be interpreted as a lowball tender as motivation to work out a long term deal. But how hard is it to work out a deal when the #s aren't big at all? The $370k is right around veteran minimum for a tender. The Pack seem to be squabbling over peanuts if that is the case. It's not like Ryan Grant has much leverage, he would probably jump at a contract that payed him $500k this year with a small signing bonus. I just don't get the business side of the NFL sometimes, Grant does deserve a little something you would think

 

[sho nuff]

It's not that he wants a "ton of money". He's just not going to sign the $370k tender that was originally in place. Can you blame him? Seriously, some of you act as if a player should just sign anything and get out there. That's a joke. This is not a "holdout" of any kind. They are just trying to reach the middle ground and get him signed. He's been there every day itching to get out there. Read the reports.

One link

Another:

Packers | Grant unlikely to hold out - from www.KFFL.com

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:15:51 -0700

Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ryan Grant said he does not see a scenario in which he would hold out of the team's training camp. Grant has yet to sign his $370,000 exclusive rights free agent qualifying offer. He stated that he is not worried about the situation and is confident that a deal will get done.

nothing you wrote is mutually exclusive vs. what I wrote. TT wants him signed for cheap, Grant wants more money. only one person - Big Jim - mentioned the word "holdout", so it's not as if the entire board is en masse suggesting a Grant holdout.

Now...every GM would like to sign a player "cheap" as possible...but do you have anything to go on that says TT wants him signed cheap? Please stop making things up that simply have not been said or are not true.

seriously, don't be a complete tool. it's not exactly a stretch to assume TT wants to sign Grant for CHEAPER than Grant wants to sign for. Or for a shorter contract. OBVIOUSLY they disagree on what the deal should entail, or else THE DEAL WOULD ALREADY BE SIGNED.

Its not what you said...but thanks for the insults...you claimed tt wanted to sign him for cheap.They disagree on some details and are working towards it...but again...stop making things up and passing off crap as fact.

Tool? wow...good one.

:(

"please stop making up things" -- dude, that's a jack*** thing to say. I'm not intentionally "making stuff up" - like EVERYONE on this board, I'm speculating based on imperfect info.Sorry for the insult - but I saw your comment as intentionally confrontational, when it was unnecessary to be a jerk. My mistake.

When you make a claim that "TT wants him signed for cheap, Grant wants more money" and pass it off as fact...yes, you are making things up. Sorry you cannot handle someone pointing that out.Grant wants more than just the minimum tender and from what his agent is saying, he wants a long term deal in GB...TT would like to sign him as economically as possible for sure...but I would not just say cheap. They have the cap space, and in the past few years, he has shown he is willing to hand out some coin to those who have played well for him. (and some who had not even played for them yet...Woodson)

 

[sho nuff]

I love these reports where one guy is holding out and the coaches fall all over themselves talking up the depth chart.Team-speak translation: "Better sign a reasonable long term deal Ryan Grant, and get to practice."

yeah, a lot of fluff pieces have been coming out about Brandon Jackson lately. Might be some contract negotiation leverage. I can see the receiving props though, as Jackson did average 8 yds off his 16 catches last year. He's definitely a strong candidate for 3rd down duties if his pass blocking is good. The Ryan Grant contract situation is very interesting. Their low tender could be interpreted as take this deal and 'show me again' as Grant would still be an exclusive rights free agent in 09. OR it could be interpreted as a lowball tender as motivation to work out a long term deal. But how hard is it to work out a deal when the #s aren't big at all? The $370k is right around veteran minimum for a tender. The Pack seem to be squabbling over peanuts if that is the case. It's not like Ryan Grant has much leverage, he would probably jump at a contract that payed him $500k this year with a small signing bonus. I just don't get the business side of the NFL sometimes, Grant does deserve a little something you would think

Its not a low tender offer. Its the tender offer for a restricted rights or exclusive rights free agent. They knew he probably would not sign it and knew they would probably work to sign him in the offseason (I heard about this during the season last year). Not sure why you think they are squabbling over peanuts...they are not trying to get him to sign the tender. There is no indication that the Packers are not going to give him something to reward him for his play last year and have made all indications that he is the man for them in the backfield this coming year.

 

[Bruce Leroy]

I am avoiding the Pack running game for this reason. Jackson started to come on at the end of the season and iirc he was a first or second round pick, so there is probably some pressure from the FO to use him.

I'd like to know where people come up with this "pressure from the FO" They work in tandem, you know, together....not AGAINST each other.1-2 punch Ryan Grant and B-Jack. No problems here. It's always nice to have some decent depth.

 

[sho nuff]

I am avoiding the Pack running game for this reason. Jackson started to come on at the end of the season and iirc he was a first or second round pick, so there is probably some pressure from the FO to use him.

I'd like to know where people come up with this "pressure from the FO" They work in tandem, you know, together....not AGAINST each other.1-2 punch Ryan Grant and B-Jack. No problems here. It's always nice to have some decent depth.

And TT gave up a draft pick for Grant too...and is probably going to sign him to a decent deal before the season...the pressure is to put the best product on the field...regardless of draft position.

 

[switz]

The stats also lend credability to Jackson is actually improving.

Well, he really had nowhere to go but up.I was one of the biggest detractors from Jackson last year, when everyone on these boards couldn't love him enough. Frankly, it was obvious he did not have the goods to come in and produce at the NFL immediately.

After a season, as he learns the game better, he may turn into a serviceable RB, reminds me a Vince Workman.

You know that if he turns out to be good I'm going to bump your comments on him and rip you, right? It's because I like you. Trying to say everyone here loved him is a joke. Packer fans hated the pick.

LOL... you were one of his biggest promoters, and now you are going to say people weren't high on him? The only Pakers fan I knew that didn't like the pick was 'packerfan'... but whatever...Here are some of the ridiculous quotes on him from last season.

Most seem to agree on Peterson vs. Lynch on dynasty value(Peterson wins), but how about Lynch vs. Jackson?

A week ago it seemed a no brainer, Lynch. Since then Lynch has stalled, and Jackson has been the talk of the town in Green Bay.

I like Jackson, both in the near and the long term. GB is better situation for an offensive player than Buffalo, and Jackson is at least as talented as Lynch.

... and Jackson is at least as talented as Lynch.

CLEARLY. AT LEAST as talented.

Would you say he could go number one?

He appears to have the GB starting locked up.

He's a RB and therefore more valuable than WRs, in general. Calvin may be an exception.

Maybe I'm drinking kool-aids, but I'd take him number one if my rookie draft was tomorrow.

And when he was stinking it up in the preseason, and early in the season, you, mr furley, and a few others were vocally defending him.I dunno - seemed to me there was a lot of love directed at him

 

[mozzy84]

nice post switz

no way grant is going to lose alot of touches to jackson from what I saw last year.

 

[sho nuff]

The stats also lend credability to Jackson is actually improving.

Well, he really had nowhere to go but up.I was one of the biggest detractors from Jackson last year, when everyone on these boards couldn't love him enough. Frankly, it was obvious he did not have the goods to come in and produce at the NFL immediately.

After a season, as he learns the game better, he may turn into a serviceable RB, reminds me a Vince Workman.

You know that if he turns out to be good I'm going to bump your comments on him and rip you, right? It's because I like you. Trying to say everyone here loved him is a joke. Packer fans hated the pick.

LOL... you were one of his biggest promoters, and now you are going to say people weren't high on him? The only Pakers fan I knew that didn't like the pick was 'packerfan'... but whatever...Here are some of the ridiculous quotes on him from last season.

Most seem to agree on Peterson vs. Lynch on dynasty value(Peterson wins), but how about Lynch vs. Jackson?

A week ago it seemed a no brainer, Lynch. Since then Lynch has stalled, and Jackson has been the talk of the town in Green Bay.

I like Jackson, both in the near and the long term. GB is better situation for an offensive player than Buffalo, and Jackson is at least as talented as Lynch.

... and Jackson is at least as talented as Lynch.

CLEARLY. AT LEAST as talented.

Would you say he could go number one?

He appears to have the GB starting locked up.

He's a RB and therefore more valuable than WRs, in general. Calvin may be an exception.

Maybe I'm drinking kool-aids, but I'd take him number one if my rookie draft was tomorrow.

And when he was stinking it up in the preseason, and early in the season, you, mr furley, and a few others were vocally defending him.I dunno - seemed to me there was a lot of love directed at him

What is ridiculous is you took quotes from several people I have rarely even heard from in Packer threads and are acting as if they were the strong opinion of Packer fans.

 

[sho nuff]

nice post switzno way grant is going to lose alot of touches to jackson from what I saw last year.

"alot" I agree...but will lose some as I think Grant will be in more on 3rd downs than before...I think they trust him more now than they did most of the season last year.I look at it this way...and similar with what I saw of Rodgers...I am not just confident of Rodgers because of his numbers against Dallas...its what I saw from him. He was not the deer in the headlights guy from the previous 2 years...he looked confident and polished and knew the offense and where to go with the ball.Similarly with Jackson...it was not his numbers against Detroit or Seattle that made me feel better about him. It was watching him be decisive in his cuts and make them quick and hit the hole. Rather than dancing around waiting for something to open up as he did earlier in the year.

 

[Warhogs]

The Ryan Grant contract situation is very interesting. Their low tender could be interpreted as take this deal and 'show me again' as Grant would still be an exclusive rights free agent in 09. OR it could be interpreted as a lowball tender as motivation to work out a long term deal. But how hard is it to work out a deal when the #s aren't big at all? The $370k is right around veteran minimum for a tender. The Pack seem to be squabbling over peanuts if that is the case. It's not like Ryan Grant has much leverage, he would probably jump at a contract that payed him $500k this year with a small signing bonus. I just don't get the business side of the NFL sometimes, Grant does deserve a little something you would think

I'm not sure about this but I am assuming a team offers a low tender to keep exclusive rights to that player so they are not an UFA? I don't know but my guess is this post might be reading a lot more into this. I take it as simply you offer the minimum tender offer to keep your exclusive rights while you negotiate a deal.

 

[switz]

The stats also lend credability to Jackson is actually improving.

Well, he really had nowhere to go but up.I was one of the biggest detractors from Jackson last year, when everyone on these boards couldn't love him enough. Frankly, it was obvious he did not have the goods to come in and produce at the NFL immediately.

After a season, as he learns the game better, he may turn into a serviceable RB, reminds me a Vince Workman.

You know that if he turns out to be good I'm going to bump your comments on him and rip you, right? It's because I like you. Trying to say everyone here loved him is a joke. Packer fans hated the pick.

LOL... you were one of his biggest promoters, and now you are going to say people weren't high on him? The only Pakers fan I knew that didn't like the pick was 'packerfan'... but whatever...Here are some of the ridiculous quotes on him from last season.

Most seem to agree on Peterson vs. Lynch on dynasty value(Peterson wins), but how about Lynch vs. Jackson?

A week ago it seemed a no brainer, Lynch. Since then Lynch has stalled, and Jackson has been the talk of the town in Green Bay.

I like Jackson, both in the near and the long term. GB is better situation for an offensive player than Buffalo, and Jackson is at least as talented as Lynch.

... and Jackson is at least as talented as Lynch.

CLEARLY. AT LEAST as talented.

Would you say he could go number one?

He appears to have the GB starting locked up.

He's a RB and therefore more valuable than WRs, in general. Calvin may be an exception.

Maybe I'm drinking kool-aids, but I'd take him number one if my rookie draft was tomorrow.

And when he was stinking it up in the preseason, and early in the season, you, mr furley, and a few others were vocally defending him.I dunno - seemed to me there was a lot of love directed at him

What is ridiculous is you took quotes from several people I have rarely even heard from in Packer threads and are acting as if they were the strong opinion of Packer fans.

So if you haven't heard of people, they don't exist? Their opinions don't matter?I could have quoted more... I just didn't have the time

 

[bcr8f]

I am avoiding the Pack running game for this reason. Jackson started to come on at the end of the season and iirc he was a first or second round pick, so there is probably some pressure from the FO to use him.

You need to put down that crack pipe man. Have you seen them both play?Rashan Salaam was a high pick too and Priest was never drafted. Who was better?He came on? In frigid Chicago he had 3 carries for 25 yards and 113 yards vs DETROIT in a meaningless game. He had one good game. He'll have to improve greatly to even be the backup. He doesn't block well or catch the ball well. I hope everyone avoids the GB running game.

 

[pmcdade]

I vote for Sam Gado!!!

 

[mcintyre1]

I am avoiding the Pack running game for this reason. Jackson started to come on at the end of the season and iirc he was a first or second round pick, so there is probably some pressure from the FO to use him.

You need to put down that crack pipe man. Have you seen them both play?Rashan Salaam was a high pick too and Priest was never drafted. Who was better?

He came on? In frigid Chicago he had 3 carries for 25 yards and 113 yards vs DETROIT in a meaningless game. He had one good game. He'll have to improve greatly to even be the backup. He doesn't block well or catch the ball well.

I hope everyone avoids the GB running game.

I know you're not high on him (obviously), but that's just a flat-out lie.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

The stats also lend credability to Jackson is actually improving.

Well, he really had nowhere to go but up.I was one of the biggest detractors from Jackson last year, when everyone on these boards couldn't love him enough. Frankly, it was obvious he did not have the goods to come in and produce at the NFL immediately.

After a season, as he learns the game better, he may turn into a serviceable RB, reminds me a Vince Workman.

You know that if he turns out to be good I'm going to bump your comments on him and rip you, right? It's because I like you. Trying to say everyone here loved him is a joke. Packer fans hated the pick.

LOL... you were one of his biggest promoters, and now you are going to say people weren't high on him? The only Pakers fan I knew that didn't like the pick was 'packerfan'... but whatever...Here are some of the ridiculous quotes on him from last season.

Most seem to agree on Peterson vs. Lynch on dynasty value(Peterson wins), but how about Lynch vs. Jackson?

A week ago it seemed a no brainer, Lynch. Since then Lynch has stalled, and Jackson has been the talk of the town in Green Bay.

I like Jackson, both in the near and the long term. GB is better situation for an offensive player than Buffalo, and Jackson is at least as talented as Lynch.

... and Jackson is at least as talented as Lynch.

CLEARLY. AT LEAST as talented.

Would you say he could go number one?

He appears to have the GB starting locked up.

He's a RB and therefore more valuable than WRs, in general. Calvin may be an exception.

Maybe I'm drinking kool-aids, but I'd take him number one if my rookie draft was tomorrow.

And when he was stinking it up in the preseason, and early in the season, you, mr furley, and a few others were vocally defending him.I dunno - seemed to me there was a lot of love directed at him

I honestly don't remember any of those quotes. I seem to remember that wdcrob and I were almost on an island in praising him, but maybe I just have a martyr complex or something, LOL.Anyway, I was mostly joking with you. When Felix Jones hits it big, I'll bump your threads.