Brandon Jacobs runs a 4.4 (1 Viewer)

[daveandken]

Jacobs not scoring TD's hurts him in any scoring format I've ever heard about.

And yet he has a higher PPG than Kevin Jones in standard scoring over the last 6 weeks, and a higher PPG than FWP in PPR. Funny how TDs aren't the only stat that counts in FF isn't it? Maybe you should participate in a TD only league. I bet you would shine there.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Why did he ask me about my league then?

I dunno.

Yay. Jacobs is better than Jones in a high performance league. Woo Hoo. In fact he's so good there we can celebrate when Droughns takes the field.

Good Lord this place is nuts.

None of that changes the facts.

1. He got hurt this year. This is extremely relevant because he was labeled before the year started as having a "tendency" that way.

2. He is not the goal line back. Period. He's just not. Stop arguing he is because he got the rock at the 5, it's just dumb.

3. He's such a good receiver that Eli won't throw to him enough for anyone to even think he catches balls out of the backfield.

Carry on.

 

[Bermuda_Chub]

This thread is like the Lincoln-Douglas debates for the lobotomized.

 

[H.K.]

Jacobs not scoring TD's hurts him in any scoring format I've ever heard about.

And yet he has a higher PPG than Kevin Jones in standard scoring over the last 6 weeks, and a higher PPG than FWP in PPR. Funny how TDs aren't the only stat that counts in FF isn't it? Maybe you should participate in a TD only league. I bet you would shine there.

So you don't feel like Droughns taking over the GL role has hurt Jacobs FF value...interesting. Noted.

 

[daveandken]

Jacobs not scoring TD's hurts him in any scoring format I've ever heard about.

And yet he has a higher PPG than Kevin Jones in standard scoring over the last 6 weeks, and a higher PPG than FWP in PPR. Funny how TDs aren't the only stat that counts in FF isn't it? Maybe you should participate in a TD only league. I bet you would shine there.

So you don't feel like Droughns taking over the GL role has hurt Jacobs FF value...interesting. Noted.

So you don't feel that rushing yards should count in FF... interesting. Noted.

 

[H.K.]

Jacobs not scoring TD's hurts him in any scoring format I've ever heard about.

And yet he has a higher PPG than Kevin Jones in standard scoring over the last 6 weeks, and a higher PPG than FWP in PPR. Funny how TDs aren't the only stat that counts in FF isn't it? Maybe you should participate in a TD only league. I bet you would shine there.

So you don't feel like Droughns taking over the GL role has hurt Jacobs FF value...interesting. Noted.

So you don't feel that rushing yards should count in FF... interesting. Noted.

Link?

 

[daveandken]

Jacobs not scoring TD's hurts him in any scoring format I've ever heard about.

And yet he has a higher PPG than Kevin Jones in standard scoring over the last 6 weeks, and a higher PPG than FWP in PPR. Funny how TDs aren't the only stat that counts in FF isn't it? Maybe you should participate in a TD only league. I bet you would shine there.

So you don't feel like Droughns taking over the GL role has hurt Jacobs FF value...interesting. Noted.

So you don't feel that rushing yards should count in FF... interesting. Noted.

Link?

Well evidently you were confused. Jacobs is an extremely valuable back due to his rushing yards. Unless your league doesn't count rushing yards, Jacobs is valuable regardless of what happens at the GL.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Jacobs not scoring TD's hurts him in any scoring format I've ever heard about.

And yet he has a higher PPG than Kevin Jones in standard scoring over the last 6 weeks, and a higher PPG than FWP in PPR. Funny how TDs aren't the only stat that counts in FF isn't it? Maybe you should participate in a TD only league. I bet you would shine there.

So you don't feel like Droughns taking over the GL role has hurt Jacobs FF value...interesting. Noted.

So you don't feel that rushing yards should count in FF... interesting. Noted.

Link?

545 yds in 6 games and you're ready to throw a party? Well, whatever...................Well evidently you were confused. Jacobs is an extremely valuable back due to his rushing yards. Unless your league doesn't count rushing yards, Jacobs is valuable regardless of what happens at the GL.

545 yds in 6 games and you're ready to throw a party?

 

[daveandken]

Jacobs not scoring TD's hurts him in any scoring format I've ever heard about.

And yet he has a higher PPG than Kevin Jones in standard scoring over the last 6 weeks, and a higher PPG than FWP in PPR. Funny how TDs aren't the only stat that counts in FF isn't it? Maybe you should participate in a TD only league. I bet you would shine there.

So you don't feel like Droughns taking over the GL role has hurt Jacobs FF value...interesting. Noted.

So you don't feel that rushing yards should count in FF... interesting. Noted.

Link?

Well evidently you were confused. Jacobs is an extremely valuable back due to his rushing yards. Unless your league doesn't count rushing yards, Jacobs is valuable regardless of what happens at the GL.

545 yds in 6 games and you're ready to throw a party?

Please tell me you are kidding.Since he returned week 5 he has averaged 108.3 yds/gm. During that time only ADP has averaged more.

LT2 has been at 94.2 yds/gm over that span - I guess you are going to tell me he's a bum.

Pathetic.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Jacobs not scoring TD's hurts him in any scoring format I've ever heard about.

And yet he has a higher PPG than Kevin Jones in standard scoring over the last 6 weeks, and a higher PPG than FWP in PPR. Funny how TDs aren't the only stat that counts in FF isn't it? Maybe you should participate in a TD only league. I bet you would shine there.

So you don't feel like Droughns taking over the GL role has hurt Jacobs FF value...interesting. Noted.

So you don't feel that rushing yards should count in FF... interesting. Noted.

Link?

Well evidently you were confused. Jacobs is an extremely valuable back due to his rushing yards. Unless your league doesn't count rushing yards, Jacobs is valuable regardless of what happens at the GL.

545 yds in 6 games and you're ready to throw a party?

Please tell me you are kidding.Since he returned week 5 he has averaged 108.3 yds/gm. During that time only ADP has averaged more.

LT2 has been at 94.2 yds/gm over that span - I guess you are going to tell me he's a bum.

Pathetic.

LT2 doesn't need to take a blow every time the field gets really short.

 

[daveandken]

Jacobs not scoring TD's hurts him in any scoring format I've ever heard about.

And yet he has a higher PPG than Kevin Jones in standard scoring over the last 6 weeks, and a higher PPG than FWP in PPR. Funny how TDs aren't the only stat that counts in FF isn't it? Maybe you should participate in a TD only league. I bet you would shine there.

So you don't feel like Droughns taking over the GL role has hurt Jacobs FF value...interesting. Noted.

So you don't feel that rushing yards should count in FF... interesting. Noted.

Link?

Well evidently you were confused. Jacobs is an extremely valuable back due to his rushing yards. Unless your league doesn't count rushing yards, Jacobs is valuable regardless of what happens at the GL.

545 yds in 6 games and you're ready to throw a party?

Please tell me you are kidding.Since he returned week 5 he has averaged 108.3 yds/gm. During that time only ADP has averaged more.

LT2 has been at 94.2 yds/gm over that span - I guess you are going to tell me he's a bum.

Pathetic.

LT2 doesn't need to take a blow every time the field gets really short.

What does that have to do with me partying about Jacobs' rushing yardage? Or are you just trying to change the subject? Enough spin.

 

[Liquid Tension]

In non PPR leagues...

I've been talking PPR this whole time, Scooby is in a TD heavy league and you are using a more standard scoring method where Jacobs is weighted a little higher as a result. Classic!

Classic? Yep, you call me a liar and I show you why what I wrote was 100% factual and you are wrong again, but instead of admitting it, you fall back on a PPR league when your initial comments about Jacobs being the most obvious bust you have ever seen and Droughns being the shark play had NOTHING to do with PPR. Classic is right because it is like arguing with someone who doesn't believe the Holocaust happened. I have found where I was wrong though...and that is trying to have a meaningful discussion with someone like HK.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Jacobs not scoring TD's hurts him in any scoring format I've ever heard about.

And yet he has a higher PPG than Kevin Jones in standard scoring over the last 6 weeks, and a higher PPG than FWP in PPR. Funny how TDs aren't the only stat that counts in FF isn't it? Maybe you should participate in a TD only league. I bet you would shine there.

So you don't feel like Droughns taking over the GL role has hurt Jacobs FF value...interesting. Noted.

So you don't feel that rushing yards should count in FF... interesting. Noted.

Link?

Well evidently you were confused. Jacobs is an extremely valuable back due to his rushing yards. Unless your league doesn't count rushing yards, Jacobs is valuable regardless of what happens at the GL.

545 yds in 6 games and you're ready to throw a party?

Please tell me you are kidding.Since he returned week 5 he has averaged 108.3 yds/gm. During that time only ADP has averaged more.

LT2 has been at 94.2 yds/gm over that span - I guess you are going to tell me he's a bum.

Pathetic.

LT2 doesn't need to take a blow every time the field gets really short.

What does that have to do with me partying about Jacobs' rushing yardage? Or are you just trying to change the subject? Enough spin.

I want to play in your league where TD's count for nothing and all that matters is yardage.

 

[Gordon Keith]

 

[Chief]

:IBTL:

 

[Gerg73]

So, where would he finish if he keeps going on like he has so far as the #2 Rushing Leader for the next 7 games? In Standard Leagues, I don't care about PPR.

 

[Liquid Tension]

So, where would he finish if he keeps going on like he has so far as the #2 Rushing Leader for the next 7 games? In Standard Leagues, I don't care about PPR.

Gerg. that would be a relevant question and those are not answered here...It is funny because the top 250 moving forward has Jacobs ranked 8th for RB's and we have people defending positions that Jacobs is the most obvious bust they have ever seen. The only hope they can have is an injury and as we have seen injuries are fairly random events...comicalBTW, I agree with you about PPR for running backs, it is a real bad idea.

 

[Big Score]

1. He got hurt this year. This is extremely relevant......

Not really...22 starting RB's have missed at least one game this year!

In the NFC, the only teams whose starting running backs haven't been injured and missed time are: Washington, Dallas, Chicago, Carolina, Atlanta, and Arizona

In the AFC, it was even worse: only Pitt, Balt, NYJ, and SD.

Link to thread.

 

[H.K.]

In non PPR leagues...

I've been talking PPR this whole time, Scooby is in a TD heavy league and you are using a more standard scoring method where Jacobs is weighted a little higher as a result. Classic!

Classic? Yep, you call me a liar and I show you why what I wrote was 100% factual and you are wrong again, but instead of admitting it, you fall back on a PPR league when your initial comments about Jacobs being the most obvious bust you have ever seen and Droughns being the shark play had NOTHING to do with PPR. Classic is right because it is like arguing with someone who doesn't believe the Holocaust happened. I have found where I was wrong though...and that is trying to have a meaningful discussion with someone like HK.

We've been discussing Jacobs in PPR in this thread since the pre-season, long before the thread was ruined by your presence. What you did was intentionally misleading by using an older scoring system to skew the data to support your agenda. You were caught. It's over. Move on.

 

[H.K.]

1. He got hurt this year. This is extremely relevant......

Not really...22 starting RB's have missed at least one game this year!

In the NFC, the only teams whose starting running backs haven't been injured and missed time are: Washington, Dallas, Chicago, Carolina, Atlanta, and Arizona

In the AFC, it was even worse: only Pitt, Balt, NYJ, and SD.

Link to thread.

How many have missed the equivalent of four full games?

 

[Big Score]

1. He got hurt this year. This is extremely relevant......

Not really...22 starting RB's have missed at least one game this year!

In the NFC, the only teams whose starting running backs haven't been injured and missed time are: Washington, Dallas, Chicago, Carolina, Atlanta, and Arizona

In the AFC, it was even worse: only Pitt, Balt, NYJ, and SD.

Link to thread.

How many have missed the equivalent of four full games?

Still TBD with various starters only recently being shelved due to injury & we don't know how long they'll be out for.

 

[TxBuckeye]

How many have missed the equivalent of four full games?

Still TBD with various starters only recently being shelved due to injury & we don't know how long they'll be out for.

So now the definition of "injury prone" has gone from number of times a player gets injured to how many games someone misses due to a single injury. In other ones, once again we'll just change a definition to something that arbitrarily fits your argument. It's really time to stop feeding the troll guys and get this thread back on track. The IGNORE function is an under-appreciated feature.

 

[Liquid Tension]

In non PPR leagues...

I've been talking PPR this whole time, Scooby is in a TD heavy league and you are using a more standard scoring method where Jacobs is weighted a little higher as a result. Classic!

Classic? Yep, you call me a liar and I show you why what I wrote was 100% factual and you are wrong again, but instead of admitting it, you fall back on a PPR league when your initial comments about Jacobs being the most obvious bust you have ever seen and Droughns being the shark play had NOTHING to do with PPR. Classic is right because it is like arguing with someone who doesn't believe the Holocaust happened. I have found where I was wrong though...and that is trying to have a meaningful discussion with someone like HK.

We've been discussing Jacobs in PPR in this thread since the pre-season, long before the thread was ruined by your presence. What you did was intentionally misleading by using an older scoring system to skew the data to support your agenda. You were caught. It's over. Move on.

Really? PLEASE READ THIS FOLKS AS IT SHOWS WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH. I have never seen someone that is so full of it as you. You never said ANYTHING about PPR until you brought into the equation AFTER your comments were responded to. The thread started with what a beast he is showing an article and a lot of people pumping Jacobs up. You responded by saying

This fluff piece does not make Jacobs a feature back. The article even says its full fledged RBBC. Droughns is the shark move here.

hkYou continued with

He can't punish people without a head of steam, and he'll be tackled before he gets to build one up. This guy is the most obvious failure I've ever seen.

HKPeople went back and forth with you (NEVER DISCUSSING PPR) and then you said this

Jacobs has three games in his career where he carried 10+ times. His combined YPC in those games is 3.5. His career YPC is 3.9.The more he gets the ball, the worse he does. Not exactly feature back material, no wonder he hasn't had a full time role since HS and the Giants got Droughns after Tiki retired.

Of course you knew that over 40% of Jacobs carries were from a 1 or 2 yard distance from the first down or endzone and you also conveniently ignored his 4.4 YPC average last year, yet you state the above like it meant anything. Even Bloom agreed that your post was off base.Fourth page and still no mention of PPR HK; could you have been lying? PLEASE CONTINUE ON NEXT POST

 

[Liquid Tension]

Here is your next response when someone followed Joe Bryant's thought that the entire Giants team would implode

Everyone knows the HC will change after the season. It'll get ugly quick.

HKThen when more people kept going after you when you repeated Jacobs would not be the feature back you wrote this

Why bother? I already proved you wrong when citing Coughlin not proclaiming Jacobs as the primary Tiki replacement, he said it will be a committee. This left you with your only option of shooting the messenger, which IMO is never a good strategy.

HKYou continued in your usual way proclaiming how right you were

Besides at this point, everything has played out exactly as I stated. All information coming from the Giants supports me. There's no need for me re-state the obvious.

As far as Jacobs being a feature RB or having any fantasy worth, Morrissey said it best with these lyrics:

"I know it's over

And it never really began"

HKNow the pre season starts and this is your comment

Nice 3.7 YPC last night. Jacobs looked awful. He starts a game like that in the regular season and they'll switch to Droughns (who had more yards and FF points in one play than Jacobs had in two series BTW).

Droughns will be starting by Week 2 at the latest.

HKNow just reiterate how wrong he will be HK brings us this bit of bad scouting judgment

In reality, Jacobs did not have a bad day versus Carolina. Given his talent level and skill set, he actually performed at the upper limits of his ability. Unfortunately for him and his supporters, he is clearly not cut out for the feature RB role. He's too big to be agile and quick, end of story. He may have fast straight line speed rare for his size, but that doesn't mean jack with pads on. Saturday night was confirmation that he is not cut out for a feature role. He wasn't in college and he isn't at the next level. Maybe he can convert to DE or TE, but as an RB, he clearly can't cut it.

BTW, just a footnote that the Giants had Ryan Grant on their team and released him and GB picked him up.This continues where HK looks at the 2nd game and says Jacobs is weak...

And who's that #22 guy catching all those passes? I though Jacobs was an every down back with great hands? Guess not. Oops.

HKThen after giving us some more scouting reports of why Jacobs will fail CalBear gets responded to by HK with the following:

While I'll be the first to admit that my behavior has been a bit strange, obnoxious, immature and insane in the past, I would like to assure that this time is completely different. This time, its for real.

HKNow my first comment without ANY talk of PPR

Hard to comment when people talk in such absolute statements like "the most obvious failure I've EVER seen"

I watch and record every Giant play. Jacobs does have average NFL speed for the first 10 yards, but that is still average which isn't bad. That mean half the starters are less than him (I actually would say he is slight under average). But, he has great power at the first 10 yards and has some moves as well setup because if his power. He is a good NFL running back and the above comment is not accurate IMO.

LTHK comes back with

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone still be believes in this overgrown cream puff.

He has done nothing to take away from his detractors. He isn't a part of the passing game, he hasn't been effective as a runner, and the only punishment he dishes out is to himself. He is an abject and resolute failure.

HKNow after week 1 and his injury HK talks about a sig bit FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THIS THREAD!

As for the sig bet, Jacobs currently ranks 64th in PPR after one week with 2.6 points.

So I responded before any talk of a sig bet and you made all your comments before anyone knew anything about some sig bet. regardless you have been wrong at EVERY turn and you are embarrassing yourself.

 

[Liquid Tension]

OK BACK TO SOME REAL CONVERSATION.

One point that is true is that Jacobs has only been catching about 2 balls a game. As a Giant fan, I think they should be throwing to him more on swing passes. In looking back over this thread, articles and Bloom shared an opinion that I have in that Jacobs has pretty soft hands and catches the ball smoothly. The Giants should be using him a lot more and let the corners feel him a little on the outside.

I think it is clear that Jacobs is a good NFL RB. His injury was a fluke one and it was not from any punishment he took. I also think that because of his size he is a larger target and that could lead to him getting banged up a little more than a shorter guy (of course this opinion was shared by most everyone at the start of the year). That has not panned out too much so far except for a few plays he missed with a stinger. Jacobs was quoted as saying that he needs to keep him feet off the ground at impact because people are all going low on him so he is aware out there.

Injuries are tough to predict but it is clear the guy has talent, maybe not elite talent but he has a skill set that puts him in the top 15 RB's in the league IMO. Lets see if he can stay healthy (even if most other RB's can't)

 

[H.K.]

Please feel free to get the final words in and attack me because I have wasted enough time trying to lead you in a better direction.

My favorite Liquid Tension lie in the whole thread!

 

[H.K.]

OK BACK TO SOME REAL CONVERSATION.One point that is true is that Jacobs has only been catching about 2 balls a game. As a Giant fan, I think they should be throwing to him more on swing passes. In looking back over this thread, articles and Bloom shared an opinion that I have in that Jacobs has pretty soft hands and catches the ball smoothly. The Giants should be using him a lot more and let the corners feel him a little on the outside.

For those of you that want real information:Out of 59 Giants RB targets this season Jacobs has 11 in 6 games played, 1.8 per gameWard has 37, or 5.28 per game.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Here is your next response when someone followed Joe Bryant's thought that the entire Giants team would implode...So I responded before any talk of a sig bet and you made all your comments before anyone knew anything about some sig bet. regardless you have been wrong at EVERY turn and you are embarrassing yourself.

This would be and as well as material IF scHKooby was really trying to make an argument about Jacobs. But it became obvious long ago that he is just a forum troll looking to get a kick out of the reactions of knowledgeable football fans to his inane ramblings posted from his mother's basement. Everything you posted, we all already knew. And no, scHKooby won't respond to anything you said. He'll just ignore it like every other factual point anyone else has called him out on because, simply put, he isn't trying actually trying to "prove" anything. Like I said, just a troll.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

OK BACK TO SOME REAL CONVERSATION.One point that is true is that Jacobs has only been catching about 2 balls a game. As a Giant fan, I think they should be throwing to him more on swing passes. In looking back over this thread, articles and Bloom shared an opinion that I have in that Jacobs has pretty soft hands and catches the ball smoothly. The Giants should be using him a lot more and let the corners feel him a little on the outside.

For those of you that want real information:Out of 59 Giants RB targets this season Jacobs has 11 in 6 games played, 1.8 per gameWard has 37, or 5.28 per game.

Another fact. Too bad all the others only care about their fantasy teams and not the facts.

 

[Big Score]

Further more, if you look at his PPG based on your precious VOR he is out of the top 20.

Which 20 backs have had higher VOR over the last 6 weeks???

Still waiting......

Figure it out yourselves. You're the VOR experts. PPR format. Go ahead. I am sick of doing work for you people.

You made the claim. Back it up. Or are you in the habit of just randomly throwing out fake stats?

... bump. H.K. - what is it? Do you have the numbers to back up your post, or were you just making them up?

Yep. I got 'em.

Well quit beating around the bush man & show 'em if ya got 'em.

 

[poopdawg]

Further more, if you look at his PPG based on your precious VOR he is out of the top 20.

Which 20 backs have had higher VOR over the last 6 weeks???

Still waiting......

Figure it out yourselves. You're the VOR experts. PPR format. Go ahead. I am sick of doing work for you people.

You made the claim. Back it up. Or are you in the habit of just randomly throwing out fake stats?

... bump. H.K. - what is it? Do you have the numbers to back up your post, or were you just making them up?

Yep. I got 'em.

Well quit beating around the bush man & show 'em if ya got 'em.

He doesnt have jack ####.

 

[Sinners]

Wow Liquid, that's a nice summary of how things have gone down. HK didn't comment on any of it so I assume it's accurate. Making a sig bet AFTER the guy gets hurt? That's lame! Actually sig bets are lame, period, but I guess that's for a different thread.

So just to catch me up, is Jacobs or Ward the better back going forward?

 

[Gerg73]

Liquid OWNED you HK/Scooby.

It's actually LAUGHABLE.

Jacobs is looking better and better as a late 3rd early 4th round value pick.

 

[H.K.]

Wow Liquid, that's a nice summary of how things have gone down. HK didn't comment on any of it so I assume it's accurate. Making a sig bet AFTER the guy gets hurt?

Just another example that of how Liquid operates. Clearly his obsession with me (and free time, I might add) are great enough that he feels compelled to post incomplete snippets to continue his deception, so I don't bother responding. I have no interest in fueling his stalking bevavior or contiuously disproving his falsehoods.Now, for your personal edification, I wouldn't be surprised if Jacobs was hurt back then, but here is the link to the Sig bet thread made in May

Back to the matter at hand: I'm winning my bet because I knew Jacobs would get hurt. I knew there would be an RBBC, and I knew Jacobs wouldn't have a lot of receptions. I did not know that Ward would the other part of the RBBC or that Droughns would be the GL RB, but either way, it hurts Jacobs FF value and still supports my overall position.

The lack of receptions thing cracks me up. If Coughlin is a good coach (as some claim), and his RB is a good receiver (see Tiki Barber), history shows us that the feature RB in that offense will get a lot of catches.

If Jacobs is the feature RB (as some claim) and he has good hands (as some claim), then where are his receptions?

 

[wtfhx]

Jacobs, if you drafted him somewhere in the 4th or 5th round has been very rewarding as a RB3. I don't think matchup matters against this fella IMO, he can EASILY drop 100 yards on any def. This is the type of confidence I have in him. Also, 2 TDs have been called back on Jacobs from the past 3 games. Can somebody post Jacobs stats and analyze what he averages in his first 8 carries for each game since week 5.

 

[Big Score]

Further more, if you look at his PPG based on your precious VOR he is out of the top 20.

Which 20 backs have had higher VOR over the last 6 weeks???

Still waiting......

Figure it out yourselves. You're the VOR experts. PPR format. Go ahead. I am sick of doing work for you people.

You made the claim. Back it up. Or are you in the habit of just randomly throwing out fake stats?

... bump. H.K. - what is it? Do you have the numbers to back up your post, or were you just making them up?

Yep. I got 'em.

Well quit beating around the bush man & show 'em if ya got 'em.

C'mon man, even if you were just making this statement up to begin with..."Further more, if you look at his PPG based on your precious VOR he is out of the top 20"... you've now had more than enough time to go back & run the numbers to prove you're not talking out of your butt. Quit ignoring everyone asking you to back up your assertations & either pee or get off the pot....if you can

 

[H.K.]

Further more, if you look at his PPG based on your precious VOR he is out of the top 20.

Which 20 backs have had higher VOR over the last 6 weeks???

Still waiting......

Figure it out yourselves. You're the VOR experts. PPR format. Go ahead. I am sick of doing work for you people.

You made the claim. Back it up. Or are you in the habit of just randomly throwing out fake stats?

... bump. H.K. - what is it? Do you have the numbers to back up your post, or were you just making them up?

Yep. I got 'em.

Well quit beating around the bush man & show 'em if ya got 'em.

C'mon man, even if you were just making this statement up to begin with..."Further more, if you look at his PPG based on your precious VOR he is out of the top 20"... you've now had more than enough time to go back & run the numbers to prove you're not talking out of your butt. Quit ignoring everyone asking you to back up your assertations & either pee or get off the pot....if you can

I am not ignoring anyone. I have them. However, you guys really need to do the work and see for yourselves, though. Just use the PPR format as described earlier. "Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for life"

 

[Big Score]

Further more, if you look at his PPG based on your precious VOR he is out of the top 20.

Which 20 backs have had higher VOR over the last 6 weeks???

Still waiting......

Figure it out yourselves. You're the VOR experts. PPR format. Go ahead. I am sick of doing work for you people.

You made the claim. Back it up. Or are you in the habit of just randomly throwing out fake stats?

... bump. H.K. - what is it? Do you have the numbers to back up your post, or were you just making them up?

Yep. I got 'em.

Well quit beating around the bush man & show 'em if ya got 'em.

C'mon man, even if you were just making this statement up to begin with..."Further more, if you look at his PPG based on your precious VOR he is out of the top 20"... you've now had more than enough time to go back & run the numbers to prove you're not talking out of your butt. Quit ignoring everyone asking you to back up your assertions & either pee or get off the pot....if you can

I am not ignoring anyone. I have them. However, you guys really need to do the work and see for yourselves, though. Just use the PPR format as described earlier. "Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for life"

H.K., it's not on us to back up your post & the statement you made in it.

Either back your post with your numbers, or quit throwing out your unsupported statements....if you can!....and I have to say that your constant refusal to back your own post, leads me to believe that you can't.

 

[poopdawg]

Wow Liquid, that's a nice summary of how things have gone down. HK didn't comment on any of it so I assume it's accurate. Making a sig bet AFTER the guy gets hurt?

Just another example that of how Liquid operates. Clearly his obsession with me (and free time, I might add) are great enough that he feels compelled to post incomplete snippets to continue his deception, so I don't bother responding. I have no interest in fueling his stalking bevavior or contiuously disproving his falsehoods.Now, for your personal edification, I wouldn't be surprised if Jacobs was hurt back then, but here is the link to the Sig bet thread made in May

Back to the matter at hand: I'm winning my bet because I knew Jacobs would get hurt. I knew there would be an RBBC, and I knew Jacobs wouldn't have a lot of receptions. I did not know that Ward would the other part of the RBBC or that Droughns would be the GL RB, but either way, it hurts Jacobs FF value and still supports my overall position.

The lack of receptions thing cracks me up. If Coughlin is a good coach (as some claim), and his RB is a good receiver (see Tiki Barber), history shows us that the feature RB in that offense will get a lot of catches.

If Jacobs is the feature RB (as some claim) and he has good hands (as some claim), then where are his receptions?

You knew that someone would roll up on his leg, which has nothing to do with his upright running style??? Its statements like this as to why you are laughed at and have zero credibility.

 

[TxBuckeye]

H.K., it's not on us to back up your post & the statement you made in it.

Either back your post with your numbers, or quit throwing out your unsupported statements....if you can!....and I have to say that your constant refusal to back your own post, leads me to believe that you can't.

You guys just don't get it do you? He isn't going to post any facts because he doesn't have any or care too. He never has cared. He's just a troll. Yet you all keep feeding him. Just ignore him and discuss Jacobs in an adult and useful manner and you'll be much happier.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

H.K., it's not on us to back up your post & the statement you made in it.

Either back your post with your numbers, or quit throwing out your unsupported statements....if you can!....and I have to say that your constant refusal to back your own post, leads me to believe that you can't.

You guys just don't get it do you? He isn't going to post any facts because he doesn't have any or care too. He never has cared. He's just a troll. Yet you all keep feeding him. Just ignore him and discuss Jacobs in an adult and useful manner and you'll be much happier.

If all we did was discuss B.Jacobs like adults than this thread would only be 8 pages , not 18 pages.

 

[H.K.]

Wow Liquid, that's a nice summary of how things have gone down. HK didn't comment on any of it so I assume it's accurate. Making a sig bet AFTER the guy gets hurt?

Just another example that of how Liquid operates. Clearly his obsession with me (and free time, I might add) are great enough that he feels compelled to post incomplete snippets to continue his deception, so I don't bother responding. I have no interest in fueling his stalking bevavior or contiuously disproving his falsehoods.Now, for your personal edification, I wouldn't be surprised if Jacobs was hurt back then, but here is the link to the Sig bet thread made in May

Back to the matter at hand: I'm winning my bet because I knew Jacobs would get hurt. I knew there would be an RBBC, and I knew Jacobs wouldn't have a lot of receptions. I did not know that Ward would the other part of the RBBC or that Droughns would be the GL RB, but either way, it hurts Jacobs FF value and still supports my overall position.

The lack of receptions thing cracks me up. If Coughlin is a good coach (as some claim), and his RB is a good receiver (see Tiki Barber), history shows us that the feature RB in that offense will get a lot of catches.

If Jacobs is the feature RB (as some claim) and he has good hands (as some claim), then where are his receptions?

You knew that someone would roll up on his leg, which has nothing to do with his upright running style??? Its statements like this as to why you are laughed at and have zero credibility.

Don't forget the shoulder stinger.Now I have to tell you exactly how a player is going to get hurt instead of they simply aren't tough enough to handle the load? Geez, that's not asking for much....

 

[H.K.]

H.K., it's not on us to back up your post & the statement you made in it.

Either back your post with your numbers, or quit throwing out your unsupported statements....if you can!....and I have to say that your constant refusal to back your own post, leads me to believe that you can't.

Somebody tried to pull a fast one by switching scoring methods to make Jacobs appear to be performing better than he was in the middle of a PPR discussion. I checked on why the numbers were so off and found the deception.The truth was revealed to me because I sought and discovered it. You, as well as others, should take the same path. Do your own research, find out for yourselves, then you'll have the confidence to know what you believe is right. Trust me, it's a great feeling.

 

[poopdawg]

Wow Liquid, that's a nice summary of how things have gone down. HK didn't comment on any of it so I assume it's accurate. Making a sig bet AFTER the guy gets hurt?

Just another example that of how Liquid operates. Clearly his obsession with me (and free time, I might add) are great enough that he feels compelled to post incomplete snippets to continue his deception, so I don't bother responding. I have no interest in fueling his stalking bevavior or contiuously disproving his falsehoods.Now, for your personal edification, I wouldn't be surprised if Jacobs was hurt back then, but here is the link to the Sig bet thread made in May

Back to the matter at hand: I'm winning my bet because I knew Jacobs would get hurt. I knew there would be an RBBC, and I knew Jacobs wouldn't have a lot of receptions. I did not know that Ward would the other part of the RBBC or that Droughns would be the GL RB, but either way, it hurts Jacobs FF value and still supports my overall position.

The lack of receptions thing cracks me up. If Coughlin is a good coach (as some claim), and his RB is a good receiver (see Tiki Barber), history shows us that the feature RB in that offense will get a lot of catches.

If Jacobs is the feature RB (as some claim) and he has good hands (as some claim), then where are his receptions?

You knew that someone would roll up on his leg, which has nothing to do with his upright running style??? Its statements like this as to why you are laughed at and have zero credibility.

Don't forget the shoulder stinger.Now I have to tell you exactly how a player is going to get hurt instead of they simply aren't tough enough to handle the load? Geez, that's not asking for much....

Tearing a ligament has nothing to do with being tough. If you played any kind of sports, you would know that.

 

[TxBuckeye]

You guys just don't get it do you? He isn't going to post any facts because he doesn't have any or care too. He never has cared. He's just a troll. Yet you all keep feeding him. Just ignore him and discuss Jacobs in an adult and useful manner and you'll be much happier.

If all we did was discuss B.Jacobs like adults than this thread would only be 8 pages , not 18 pages.

And that would be a bad thing??

 

[Big Score]

H.K., it's not on us to back up your post & the statement you made in it.

Either back your post with your numbers, or quit throwing out your unsupported statements....if you can!....and I have to say that your constant refusal to back your own post, leads me to believe that you can't.

Somebody tried to pull a fast one by switching scoring methods to make Jacobs appear to be performing better than he was in the middle of a PPR discussion. I checked on why the numbers were so off and found the deception.The truth was revealed to me because I sought and discovered it. You, as well as others, should take the same path. Do your own research, find out for yourselves, then you'll have the confidence to know what you believe is right. Trust me, it's a great feeling.

:X This is about your post & the statement you made within it, that Jacob's isn't PPR Top 20 going by VOR.

You said it & you've been asked repeatedly by several posters to name the 20 RB's who push Jacob's out.

All you do is the Texas Two Step every time the question comes up.

Given that, it's safe to say you were speaking out of your butt.

We'll just call that post of yours exactly what it is.....

Bad form H.K. .... bad form.

 

[Liquid Tension]

OK BACK TO SOME REAL CONVERSATION.One point that is true is that Jacobs has only been catching about 2 balls a game. As a Giant fan, I think they should be throwing to him more on swing passes. In looking back over this thread, articles and Bloom shared an opinion that I have in that Jacobs has pretty soft hands and catches the ball smoothly. The Giants should be using him a lot more and let the corners feel him a little on the outside.

For those of you that want real information:Out of 59 Giants RB targets this season Jacobs has 11 in 6 games played, 1.8 per gameWard has 37, or 5.28 per game.

Another fact. Too bad all the others only care about their fantasy teams and not the facts.

I am a Giant fan and don't have Jacobs on any of my 3 teams. In fact, I have Ward on one of my teams and I have Droughns on another.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Just another example that of how Liquid operates. Clearly his obsession with me (and free time, I might add) are great enough that he feels compelled to post incomplete snippets to continue his deception, so I don't bother responding. I have no interest in fueling his stalking bevavior or contiuously disproving his falsehoods.

HKFirst, I don't operate at all or have an agenda, I only call out people when they make absurd comments and I compliment people when they bring some good insight to the table.Second, Anyone can feel free to look back at every post in this thread and see if what I quoted was an accurate reflection on what happened. They were real quotes and not one of them was taken out of context (like some people do). Obviously, HK couldn't respond to any of them because I did it fairly.As for his sig bet, he now posts that it was in a different thread? Well maybe it was, but I (along with many others) responded to comments made in this thread and PPR was not mentioned until after the comments were made.I only wasted my time to show how embarrassing HK is/was because he called me a liar for saying that Jacobs has scored as a top 10 back since he has come back from his injury.I may not be always correct in my assessments and predictions, but I do not lie to prove I am correct. In fact, I post mostly in search of the "truth" without trying to prove I am right.

 

[Joe Bryant]

This one is done.

Shark Pool threads need to be real nfl discussion on nfl players.

J