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Braylon Edwards, buying or selling? (1 Viewer)
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Breesisdaman
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buyingHis situation reminds me a lot of when Moss went from the Raiders (where he sucked terribly) to the Pats where he re-emerged to Fantasy stud-dom. Getting out of Cleveland and going to New York is going to wake Edwards up big time. He didn't want to be in Cleveland hence all his off the field problems. He seems to be more focused You saw it already tonight with just 21/2 days of practice. He will be huge in the Red zone like he was a couple years ago.
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fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Saying Edwards will be a top 10 WR from here on out is quite lofty, but he is certainly back to being able to start on a weekly basis.
I think his first game shows how important it was for him to get out of the Cleveland offense. Not only did Braylon actually make some great catches, but it appeared he enjoyed the part about being on a winning team.
Pretty hard for any WR to succeed in an offense that goes 2 for 17 for 23 yards passing on the day.
I think his first game shows how important it was for him to get out of the Cleveland offense. Not only did Braylon actually make some great catches, but it appeared he enjoyed the part about being on a winning team.
Pretty hard for any WR to succeed in an offense that goes 2 for 17 for 23 yards passing on the day.
His attitude looked good tonight and he sure looked capable of doing a lot of things. Moss' attitude and stats were horrible his second year in Oakland. I think the comparison is a good one. This is a guy who put up almost 1,300 yards and 16 TDs with Derrick Anderson as his quarterback. Think about that for a minute.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Dynasty - definite hold.
Redraft - possible sell high. Sanchez is still a rookie, and the team will still try to lean on the run game when it can. Miami is a much better run defense than pass defense. He was still 12/24 on the night. If you can get Jennings or Moss for him, no doubt you have to sell. And maybe even for a guy like Ocho I would still sell.
Redraft - possible sell high. Sanchez is still a rookie, and the team will still try to lean on the run game when it can. Miami is a much better run defense than pass defense. He was still 12/24 on the night. If you can get Jennings or Moss for him, no doubt you have to sell. And maybe even for a guy like Ocho I would still sell.
Hoart Petterson
Footballguy
Cotchery was hurt and Miami secondary blows. I'd sell.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
I think it's a hold. I wouldn't be in a hurry to move him or go for him, unless you're selling at a premium or buying at a discount.
My guess is that Braylon relishes the spotlight and he'll find plenty of it for him in the New York media market, even with the Giants having a better year than the Jets. If he loves playing national games, I think he'll find playing in the New York market almost just as good. This would ordinarily be enough to suggest buying, but I think his performance tonight was strong enough nobody is going to be selling him at a value price.
My guess is that Braylon relishes the spotlight and he'll find plenty of it for him in the New York media market, even with the Giants having a better year than the Jets. If he loves playing national games, I think he'll find playing in the New York market almost just as good. This would ordinarily be enough to suggest buying, but I think his performance tonight was strong enough nobody is going to be selling him at a value price.
Maven
Footballguy
First...ask yourself if you respected Miamis secondary before the game. Theyre starting two rookie corners and their safties are mediocre. Braylon made some ridiculous catches but don't think "braylon's back" just yet...
on the positive side...sanchez looked for him 9 TIMES! ...Cotchery had 2 targets...wow... was Cotchery injured?
only time will tell..
i say sell high
on the positive side...sanchez looked for him 9 TIMES! ...Cotchery had 2 targets...wow... was Cotchery injured?
only time will tell..
i say sell high
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az_prof
Footballguy
Moss is a superstar HOF player. Braylon Edwards is a guy who had one good year and now one good game this year. The bottom line is he still can't catch and there was never any question of Moss having good hands. The comparison fails on that point alone. Beyond that, Moss never had a bad attitude when it came to his team. He has always been about winning.It's always easy to have a good attitude when you are getting the ball. It will be interesting to see how that attitude is tested in the wake of the loss. In my experience, a person's character rarely changes.
LordHusker
Hot sauce addict
Not to get off topic here, but I see Edwards helping Cotchery's numbers.
Sounds like you have in in the top-10, top-12 WR range for the rest of the year.
hoopvillian
Footballguy
Drafted him this season and didn't drop him last week. Picked him up in another league where he got dropped. Hoping my patience pays off. Holding.
The Dynasty
Footballguy
Have him, R. Moss, S. Smith (NYG), and B. Marshall on one team . Looking to sell high to an owner looking to shop an under performing D. Williams and is desperate for receivers. Pretty weak at RB with Slaton, LT, and Coffee. 2 RB, 3WR non PPR league.
He was comparing situations, not players. Moss is clearly better than Edwards and always will be, no matter what teams they play for. But in terms of situations, the comparison is spot on. You couldn't possibly be more wrong about Moss. Moss had a TERRIBLE attitude towards his team in his final year in Oakland and his performance reflected it. Moss' attitude with the Raiders was actually FAR WORSE than Edwards' with the Browns. He was regarded to be one of the worst cancers in the league at the time and no one wanted to take a chance on him. Why do you think he was traded for a 4th round pick? I don't think Edwards was dogging it as much as the Browns just wouldn't and/or couldn't get him the ball. Moss on the other hand...The point is that Edwards is no in a good offense with a good young QB on a winning team and he's happy. This is a guy who went for 1,300 and 16 with Derrick Anderson at QB. He was the #3 overall pick in the draft. That doesn't sound like a fluke to me. That sounds like a talented player who languished on a terrible team for several years. The one year the Browns weren't terrible, he was a top-5 WR in the league. Look for more of the same in New York, maybe not top-5, but probably top-15.
az_prof
Footballguy
No offense, but after one game you know "he is happy"? He could turn out to play every game like this one but I really doubt a guy with his attitude will change. I don't want to get into the Moss thing but he is a totally different kind of player and the media has smeared him in the past.
EdwardCat
Footballguy
This is nothing but BS...
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Personally, I'd be buying. And this coming from an Edwards owner last year..
He's not a close friend of mine and I admit I'm speculating, but yes, I think he's happy to be out of Cleveland and playing on a good team with a real NFL QB. He has to be happy catching passes again. He sure looked like he was having a good time tonight.As to Moss, I agree that the media unfairly smeared him while in Minnesota, but not while in Oakland. He brought that on himself when he quit on his team.So, yeah, two different players, but very close similarities in their situations. Most people didn't think Moss would change either.
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Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Buying.
MCguidance
Footballguy
The time to buy in dynasty was last week. Redraft will see some ups and downs, but I would be buying.
ft_ball_fan
Footballguy
I agree on buying... Saw an episode of MTV cribs w/one of the Jets on there... Sanchez was over hanging out and Braylon showed up... he was happy as a clam... said he loved NY and was now on a team that was full of his friends... The fact that he came out last night with hardly any prep and put up good numbers... he's going to be the goto guy moving forward IMO (and Cotch should get a big boost as well as teams rotate to cover Braylon--Cotchery takes back his role as a highly successful #2)...
fightingillini
Footballguy
Redraft leagues, I am buying. He looks focused and rejuvenated. As Sanchez gets more comfortable with Edwards, he will be a solid WR2 or maybe even a WR1 going forward.
Dynasty leagues, I am holding.
Dynasty leagues, I am holding.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Braylon's played 4 years, has 2 800 yard seasons and a 1200/16 season. Not to make a big point here, but Braylon's first 4 years are better than most WRs including Reggie Wayne. Sure he isn't Moss, nobody should say he is. But I am looking forward to seeing how he plays with what appears to be a competent QB.
djjosee
Footballguy
Wow, I'm in the same boat! Edwards WR4 (behind Wayne / R White / Marshall) and was going to see if the DWill owner is ready to part ... or maybe package him to get MDJ.So, if you can afford it, sell ... if you need WR help, hold on as he will probably produce good WR2 numbers.
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fsufan
Footballguy
FF is about what has a player done lately. I could not give away Mendenhall and Edwards 2/3 weeks ago. now I get 3/4 offers a week for mendenhall and got one this morning for Edwards
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I'd agree with this. Too expensive to buy now, and won't get enough value back in trade if you're selling.He's going to be a totally different guy with this change of scenery. Like him or dislike him for how he does his business, he's supremely motivated right now.I believe everyone in here saying sell because he "is what he is", is missing the boat.
Edwards is 26 years old. To me that is young for a WR. In 2007 he had 16 TD's. That is all I need to know. He has the ability and is now in the place to return to his 2007 form. The guy I saw on the Jets sideline was not the same guy I saw on the Browns sideline the first 4 games this year. I own him and am NOT SELLING.
Mr. Anonymous
Footballguy
Nothing to contribute except to say that I cut Edwards the day before the Jets got him. Had Wayne, Smith (NYG), and Sims-Walker (in start two league). He had done nothing, I didn't expect the Browns to do anything, so I waived him and picked up Breaston.
Edwards had no catches and then punches a guy.
I can't say I regret the decision but I regret the result!
I'm just hoping this week was a fluke and he sucks the rest of the year (apologies to those who have him...)
Edwards had no catches and then punches a guy.
I can't say I regret the decision but I regret the result!
I'm just hoping this week was a fluke and he sucks the rest of the year (apologies to those who have him...)
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
If you have him and can find someone that is comparing him to Moss like some in this thread take advantage of them.
If you want him and someone is thinking that he will finish the year like he is in Cleveland then buy.
The buy/sell/hold threads are odd to me, it all depends on what you are buying or selling for. If you find value, take it.
If you want him and someone is thinking that he will finish the year like he is in Cleveland then buy.
The buy/sell/hold threads are odd to me, it all depends on what you are buying or selling for. If you find value, take it.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I think he is a #2 for the rest of the year. So top 24. But not top 12. I think people will overreact to one game and be willing to trade an underperforming stud like Moss or Jennings for him. If you can find someone who does that, sell. Someone will be worried about Moss' last game. Ocho I think is overperforming. He has been very consistent this year (all teens all year in PPR), and given his history, he will not be this consistent. But I still think he has more value than Edwards, so I would possibly buy high/sell high if I could given I trust Palmer more than Sanchez.
Reading some of these comments, "now he's playing for a winning team" "now he's got a real QB" "finally he's out of that crappy situation" etc etc all sounds eerily like the Roy Williams threads from last year.
Or when Chambers went from Miami to SD mid-season a few years back.
Bottom line is there isn't a real strong track record for WRs thriving after being traded during the season. Maybe Edwards will be the exception.
Or when Chambers went from Miami to SD mid-season a few years back.
Bottom line is there isn't a real strong track record for WRs thriving after being traded during the season. Maybe Edwards will be the exception.
Banger
Footballguy
I think if you can find a cheap seller I'd be all over BE. 11 targets and 5-65-1 in a game when he came over mid-week is more than I thought was possible in such a short time period.
From the local paper today Ryan is raving about him and Edwards is doing and saying all the right things and he's staying late at practice to get extra time with Sanchez. Some quotes from todays paper (Star Ledger)..
BE- "I fell like I'm on a trial period" Edwards said. "I feel like this is a job interivew. I just want to show these guys I want to work. I'm not here to play around." Edwards admitted he's "still trying to prove that it was a good move binging me here."
Ryan- "He put on a show out there," coach Rex Ryan said after yesterday's practice. "oh my goodness. It's ridiculous. It's like 'Are you kidding me?' Shouldn't we put a red (non-contact) jersey on him? Like, lets not touch this guy".
BE on Sanchez relationship - "I think we're already comfortable with each other. Now the thing is moving forward and getting better and getting to where we can do it at a Manning-Wayne level. Right now, we're comfortable with each other. But it's just a start."
From the local paper today Ryan is raving about him and Edwards is doing and saying all the right things and he's staying late at practice to get extra time with Sanchez. Some quotes from todays paper (Star Ledger)..
BE- "I fell like I'm on a trial period" Edwards said. "I feel like this is a job interivew. I just want to show these guys I want to work. I'm not here to play around." Edwards admitted he's "still trying to prove that it was a good move binging me here."
Ryan- "He put on a show out there," coach Rex Ryan said after yesterday's practice. "oh my goodness. It's ridiculous. It's like 'Are you kidding me?' Shouldn't we put a red (non-contact) jersey on him? Like, lets not touch this guy".
BE on Sanchez relationship - "I think we're already comfortable with each other. Now the thing is moving forward and getting better and getting to where we can do it at a Manning-Wayne level. Right now, we're comfortable with each other. But it's just a start."
I am stacked at WR (Steve X Smith, Andre Johnson, Burleson) and weak at RB so I dealt Edwards for Marshawn Lynch to a guy with depth at RB and weak at WR.
Lynch is now my primary bye week filler.
Obviously, Bills OL and Jackson are a concern, but if it was a guarantee few trades would ever happen.
Lynch is now my primary bye week filler.
Obviously, Bills OL and Jackson are a concern, but if it was a guarantee few trades would ever happen.
Tigerbot Hesh
Footballguy
I worry that going to NY gives him just enough value that owners can never bring themselves to drop him outright, yet not enough consistent production that his owners feel good about using him every week.
Banger
Footballguy
Last week was week 1 and he ended up with 11 targets and 5-65-1. I'd certainly trot him out if he can consistently put up numbers like that. I think he can easily be a top 20 wr from here on out.
kaa
Footballguy
I think its safe to say that this trade will haunt the city of Cleveland for a long, long time. People will look back and say Browns fans were petty and foolish for complaining about him, and Mangini foolish to just dump him. Browns fans are going to have to realize that there is a very real possibly that Braylon Edwards will not only be a stud, but a bonafide star. We might see his smiling mug endorsing products in commercials and ads in the paper and magazines.
That's what's coming.
That's what's coming.
California
Footballguy
Sanchez did look for him an awful lot last week. I'd wait another week to see if it was a trend or mirage but I'd personally lean more towards buyer than seller right now. That catch he made at the one yard line which should have been a TD was ridiculous.
guy has always had talent, the browns killed him. when he had someone that put it on the money, and he had motivation he exploded... if you can get him, buy.
Banger
Footballguy
The problem is if you wait you might not be able to get him or the price will be a lot more after the Buff game this weekend with Cotchery out.If you haven't seen it check out some of these catches he made on Monday night. I know he gets criticized for his hands but he was terrific and he came an eyelash from scoring two tds in his 1st game. BE catch clips
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jwb
Footballguy
You're not getting him in a dynasty league anymore. I'm a big Jet fan, and homer-ism definitely creeps into my team management at times, so I tried to get Braylon in a few leagues after the trade. I got him in one (before the Miami game), but in the others, the Braylon owners want the world, especially after Miami. His price will likely go down eventually, but right now, his dynasty price is sky high.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I completely understand the rolleyes on that offer, but when all's said and done this year, that may have ended up lopsided.......in your favor!Then again, I was just offered BE for Randy Moss
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Randy Moss owner :unsure:swedishpimple
Footballguy
Just sold Braylon (unsure if it was high or low) and Ray Rice for Andre Johnson. I was hesitant to pull the trigger b/c he has the talent to be a top 10 WR, but couldn't pass up getting a stud with the risk of Bray Bray.
