Breaking down the tape (1 Viewer)

[Maroney=Speed]

While you seem to have an educated opinion, I usually disagree with your evaluation of players. That being said, it doesn't surprise me in the least that you don't like Stewart and I think he is an excellent prospect. We have had differing opinions on Peterson, Addai, Deshaun Foster, DeAngelo Williams, and MJD. We'll just have to wait and see what happens...

Let's see:I thought Peterson was good, but an injury risk - correct.I thought Addai was going to be one of the best in his class - correct.I thought DeShaun Foster was going to keep DeAngelo from taking over the starting job - so far, correct.I thought MJD was overrated going into last year, and that he wouldn't knock Taylor out of the starting gig - correct.Having a hard time seeing what you don't like about my evaluations of players...FYI, I was high on Edgerrin, when everyone here loved RickyI was high on LT2, when everyone hear said he was a product of weaker competitionI was high on Boldin, when no one had heard of himI was down on BJax last year, when everyone thought he'd be a stealI'm sure I've had my misses - no denying - but my hits have been far more frequent...

I don't want to turn this thread into a discussion of how our opinions differ on players. But come on, man. You can bump any number of threads and see what you posted...1. You stated several times that Peterson was very overrated, didn't have a running style that would translate to the NFL, and also stated Lynch would be the "better pro".2. You compared Addai to some of the all time greats several times, and also said that he would be a work horse that would be a fantasy stud. You have since changed your opinion on Addai somewhat, but just take a look at some of the old threads where he was discussed.3. We had a long discussion about DeAngelo and Foster, and although it involved who would be the starter, it also discussed the talent level of the two. You have always been a huge defender of Foster, and I have always thought DeAngelo is the more talented player.4. You have argued vehemently that MJD will never be more than a RBBC back. You stated that Fred Taylor is the better runner, and he will continue to get the majority of the carries even though he is 32 years old. 5. I do remember you being down on Brandon Jackson. But you also seem to forget to add that you thought Morency was a much more talented player, and predicted he would be the starter in Green Bay. I don't recall the other positions you held on LT, Boldin, and Edge. But I would have to say that your recollection on how you viewed these other players is a little inaccurate. However, I am not saying that my position is "right" and yours is "wrong", I am just saying that my opinion is usually very different from yours. That happens on message boards, and it is the perception I have from reading your arguments and opinions in countless posts.

But this has been my point, since I posted that Stewart would fall in the NFL Draft.If we all agreed, than FBG would go out of business or the message board would .But again I find it funny, that here's another poster that has one guy put Him on the spot and He gets upset.I had about 20 guys coming out me for days, and I had no problem with it.Why, because if I agree with all of you I would not be Better than most of you. We know that's not true. Call it think skin or dark skin. Bloom,EBF or anyone else want to add there top 5 RB's?

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Cecil Lammey

1 . Darren McFadden, Arkansas (6-2/215)

2 . Jonathan Stewart, Oregon (5-11/234)

3 . Felix Jones, Arkansas (6-0/207)

4 . Jamaal Charles, Texas (6-1/190)

5 . Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois (5-11/210)

Bloom I know your on where's yours?

EBF?

 

[EBF]

I won't be releasing any in depth rankings until May when I've finished most of my money league drafts. Right now my RB rankings don't look that much different from everbody else's, but the combine and the draft will have some impact on my list.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I won't be releasing any in depth rankings until May when I've finished most of my money league drafts. Right now my RB rankings don't look that much different from everbody else's, but the combine and the draft will have some impact on my list.

Ok, but as you said. Everything will change after the Combine and the NFL Draft.It would be nice to see your top 5 before the Combine, thats all.

 

[KoolKat]

But this has been my point, since I posted that Stewart would fall in the NFL Draft.

If we all agreed, than FBG would go out of business or the message board would .

But again I find it funny, that here's another poster that has one guy put Him on the spot and He gets upset.

I had about 20 guys coming out me for days, and I had no problem with it.

Why, because if I agree with all of you I would not be Better than most of you. We know that's not true.

Call it think skin or dark skin.

Bloom,EBF or anyone else want to add there top 5 RB's?

I think you are misunderstanding meaningful, substantial argument for people being upset. You can disagree with someone while giving your reasons without being "upset."

 

[switz]

While you seem to have an educated opinion, I usually disagree with your evaluation of players. That being said, it doesn't surprise me in the least that you don't like Stewart and I think he is an excellent prospect. We have had differing opinions on Peterson, Addai, Deshaun Foster, DeAngelo Williams, and MJD. We'll just have to wait and see what happens...

Let's see:I thought Peterson was good, but an injury risk - correct.I thought Addai was going to be one of the best in his class - correct.I thought DeShaun Foster was going to keep DeAngelo from taking over the starting job - so far, correct.I thought MJD was overrated going into last year, and that he wouldn't knock Taylor out of the starting gig - correct.Having a hard time seeing what you don't like about my evaluations of players...FYI, I was high on Edgerrin, when everyone here loved RickyI was high on LT2, when everyone hear said he was a product of weaker competitionI was high on Boldin, when no one had heard of himI was down on BJax last year, when everyone thought he'd be a stealI'm sure I've had my misses - no denying - but my hits have been far more frequent...

I don't want to turn this thread into a discussion of how our opinions differ on players. But come on, man. You can bump any number of threads and see what you posted...1. You stated several times that Peterson was very overrated, didn't have a running style that would translate to the NFL, and also stated Lynch would be the "better pro".

Dig up the posts... did I say his running style would lead to him getting hurt? Yes. That he wouldn't be successful? No. Did I say Lynch had a better all-around game for the NFL? Yes. And so what? He does. He's a better blocker and receiver than Peterson.

2. You compared Addai to some of the all time greats several times, and also said that he would be a work horse that would be a fantasy stud. You have since changed your opinion on Addai somewhat, but just take a look at some of the old threads where he was discussed.

I showed after an amazing game that what he had done in that game was something "all time greats: hadn't. However, in that thread I ASLO said I was not saying Addai was as good as those all time greats, just that he must have talent to have accomplished what he did. Of course this was the same thread in which you were arguing that Addai wasn't talented at all.

3. We had a long discussion about DeAngelo and Foster, and although it involved who would be the starter, it also discussed the talent level of the two. You have always been a huge defender of Foster, and I have always thought DeAngelo is the more talented player.

I stand by my opinon, and apparently the Panthers do as well. Foster's injuries have hindered him from showing his talent, and the team may get rid of him, but they will still bring in another RB ahead of DA.

4. You have argued vehemently that MJD will never be more than a RBBC back. You stated that Fred Taylor is the better runner, and he will continue to get the majority of the carries even though he is 32 years old.

You might want to dig up those posts too. I've argued that Taylor, as long as he's on the team will keep MJD in a secondary role. So far that's true. I also have argues that MJD performs better as the secondary component in RBBC, and that appears to be true as well.

5. I do remember you being down on Brandon Jackson. But you also seem to forget to add that you thought Morency was a much more talented player, and predicted he would be the starter in Green Bay.

Yes, if Morency was healthy early on, I think he would have won the job. However, by the time he was getting healthy, Grant had won the job outright. The team didn't want to waste their pick on BJax so they started trying him out as the third down RB, which was Morency's role. While Morency may not be with the team next year due to age, and a history of health issues, that doesn't mean Jackson is more talented. Just younger and healthier and more expensive to cut.

I don't recall the other positions you held on LT, Boldin, and Edge. But I would have to say that your recollection on how you viewed these other players is a little inaccurate.

You may want to dig them up then. They're not inaccurate at all. I can even show you links to drafts which provide evidence of my opinon on LT and Edge, and my Boldin prediction is pretty famous among long time posters here.

However, I am not saying that my position is "right" and yours is "wrong", I am just saying that my opinion is usually very different from yours. That happens on message boards, and it is the perception I have from reading your arguments and opinions in countless posts.

That's probably true, that our opinions differ. I don't really keep track of who I disagree with, unless they become irate enough that I put them on ignore. You're obviously not on my ignore list, so I'll thank you for at least, when disagreeing with me, doing so in a manner I appreciate and respect.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Stewart was asked at the Hotel, what 40 time He thinks He would put up.

Stewart looked outside and said if it keeps snowing, not a very good time.

The reporter than said you run indoors. Stewart than said I must have been going to the wrong location to practice.

Ok, it's a joke. Just bumping this baby.

 

[switz]

Stewart was asked at the Hotel, what 40 time He thinks He would put up.Stewart looked outside and said if it keeps snowing, not a very good time. The reporter than said you run indoors. Stewart than said I must have be going to the wrong location to practice. Ok, it's a joke. Just bumping this baby.

If that were really true, I'd be We all need some humor injected once in a while. Good job.

 

[Jedimaster21]

When the RBs run on Sunday, Stewart will run in the low 4.4s, and then your theory will be over. You do realize this, right?

 

[Burning Sensation]

When the RBs run on Sunday, Stewart will run in the low 4.4s, and then your theory will be over. You do realize this, right?

I will guess he runs a 4.38, Mendenhall, 4.41, and if Mcfadden Runs, 4.33.

 

[Jedimaster21]

When the RBs run on Sunday, Stewart will run in the low 4.4s, and then your theory will be over. You do realize this, right?

I will guess he runs a 4.38, Mendenhall, 4.41, and if Mcfadden Runs, 4.33.

Yeah, you're probably right. I was trying to be conservative, but whether it is 4.38 or 4.41, he will be a solid first round pick.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

wdcrob

Top 6 Rb's please.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

3 2 1 .......

Lets get it on.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Just checking in.

Please fill me in if I missed anything on McFadden.

Thanks

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I am saying there are 41 carries against UAB, and find me ONE in which he demonstartes his speed, strength, or agility to make it in the NFL? Those were the only highlights I could find of Stewart, I wish I could have found a game summary.

To me his main asset is vision. He has runs that show decent speed and agility at the 15 second mark a 30ish yard run), another one showing nice vision and agility at 32seconds in and the TD run shows decent feet and good vision. He looks at least as talented as Domanick Davis (Williams) who had a couple of nice years.

I think he looks rather slow on that play. He has a huge hole, and makes one good cut. If that was J Stew he could have taken it to the house especially against UAB.

You are making two simultaneous arguments:1) He is not as good as Stewart

2) He will never make it in the NFL

I am not arguing 1. I don't think he is as good as Stewart. I also don't think he is particularly fast, but I think he is fast enough to contribute. I also think he was a bit worn down in that game. In the previous three weeks he had 33,43 and 29 carry games. His strength, in my opinion is his vision. I think vision can go a long way. I could easily see a Domanick Davis/Adrian Murrell type career or reasonable effectiveness over a short period of time.

This better shows his speed:

I know it is shorts, but Smith posted slightly better 40 time than Stewart.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Sorry forgot one thing, speed.E.Smith wasn't fast, correct? He's been out of the League for awhile I forget. Speed is not everything, Stewart has speed, I'll give you that. NEVER said He didn't.Combine- Broad Jump,Short and Long Shuttle. STOCK will go down.NFL scouts will be like this. I'm sure one will point out, but He's fast. There's always one.

Stewart will have an above average long jump. He will probably have a very good vertical. He is an athlete.I think he will have an average/above average short shuttle, but it will not be as good as his 40 time.I don't think scouts are particularly concerned with long shuttle at all.

The 36.5 vert and the 10'8" will are among the best in this rb class.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Your edit makes your reply much more reasonable.

Yep, trying to add in the Shark Pool. Not put blood in it.I have taken alot of hits, and I have to explain.It gets old. Thanks for your help.By the way whats your top 6 rb's?

I can't really list six, because I haven't seen enough to lower guys.Right now I like -in terms of pro potential- not where they will be drafted1) Felix Jones2) Stewart3) McFadden4) MendenhallThen I am not sure where to slot Johnson, Charles, Rice, CHoice, Forte and Smith. If I was going to pick today, I would put themChoiceCharlesRice SmithJohnsonForte

Usually I don't care about rb and bench press, but the 8 for Felix Jones was terrible.

 

[ThePittbully]

When the RBs run on Sunday, Stewart will run in the low 4.4s, and then your theory will be over. You do realize this, right?

I will guess he runs a 4.38, Mendenhall, 4.41, and if Mcfadden Runs, 4.33.

nice guess

 

[switz]

When the RBs run on Sunday, Stewart will run in the low 4.4s, and then your theory will be over. You do realize this, right?

I will guess he runs a 4.38, Mendenhall, 4.41, and if Mcfadden Runs, 4.33.

Yeah, you're probably right. I was trying to be conservative, but whether it is 4.38 or 4.41, he will be a solid first round pick.

You were wrong, 4.48 on a "fast" track

 

[KoolKat]

Sorry forgot one thing, speed.E.Smith wasn't fast, correct? He's been out of the League for awhile I forget. Speed is not everything, Stewart has speed, I'll give you that. NEVER said He didn't.Combine- Broad Jump,Short and Long Shuttle. STOCK will go down.NFL scouts will be like this. I'm sure one will point out, but He's fast. There's always one.

Stewart will have an above average long jump. He will probably have a very good vertical. He is an athlete.I think he will have an average/above average short shuttle, but it will not be as good as his 40 time.I don't think scouts are particularly concerned with long shuttle at all.

The 36.5 vert and the 10'8" will are among the best in this rb class.

Theory officially debunked.

 

[jgb95]

bump

 

[KoolKat]

Remember this thread.

Maroney=Speed=Clueless

 

[switz]

Remember this thread. Maroney=Speed=Clueless

Let's wait until we see his performance on the field. However, I agree, thinking he would be a second round pick is crazy - or is it? Mendenhall fell further than most thought he would... what if CAR took Mendenhall instead of Stewart, and PIT thought Stewart's injury was too much of a risk?Eh - at least he stood pat on his prediction, and was willing to throw it all out there for everyone to see.

 

[KoolKat]

Remember this thread. Maroney=Speed=Clueless

Let's wait until we see his performance on the field. However, I agree, thinking he would be a second round pick is crazy - or is it? Mendenhall fell further than most thought he would... what if CAR took Mendenhall instead of Stewart, and PIT thought Stewart's injury was too much of a risk?Eh - at least he stood pat on his prediction, and was willing to throw it all out there for everyone to see.

I just thought it was funny, because all throughout the thread he says, "just wait until the draft/combine, then we'll see who is right." Well, the draft/combine came, and who was vindicated? Read the initial post, he says J Stew was going to slip to the mid-2nd to 3rd round haha. That obviously was never going to happen if a team that did not even have a pressing need at RB felt he was at the very least the 14th best player available in the draft.

 

[sheerterror]

Still waiting for the tape to be broken down....

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Still waiting for the tape to be broken down....

 

[Ridgelake]

FWIW, I read today that Dallas would have taken Stewart over Felix.

 

[ditka85]

Remember this thread. Maroney=Speed=Clueless

What happened to M=S? Was he deaded?

 

[switz]

FWIW, I read today that Dallas would have taken Stewart over Felix.

 

[duaneok66]

Remember this thread. Maroney=Speed=Clueless

What happened to M=S? Was he deaded?

the funny part is, he wouldve been here on Saturday night if Stewart had slipped . . .

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Still waiting for the tape to be broken down....

Laugh all you want, I made more right calls than you did, so chew on that! I guess I'm off ignore, because you need to learn from the best.Thanks, I guess.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I've been busy, so how is everyone doing?

 

[switz]

FWIW, I read today that Dallas would have taken Stewart over Felix.

Still waiting for that link Ridgelake. Dallas had Felix in their sights the whole time.

 

[Iron_Far]