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Breaking - Kareem Hunt RELEASED and unclaimed (2 Viewers)
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You made 6 posts in a row talking about the girl's behavior. Not the 230 lb professional athlete who decided to shove and kick her. But the girl's behavior. There is only one context bud
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Stealthycat
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semantics ?
not entitled
not in a domestic violence situation
those are facts important to Hunt, the NFL, KCChiefs and the young woman .... words matter
Hankmoody
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No, they aren't.
https://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2017/08/11/0ap3000000828506.pdf
Prohibited conduct includes but is not limited to the following : Actual or threatened physical violence against another person, including
With regard to violations of the Personal Conduct Policy that involve: (i) criminal assault or battery(felony); (ii) domestic violence, dating violence,child abuse and other forms of family violence; or (iii) sexual assault involving physical force or committed against someone incapable of giving consent, a first offense will subject the offender to a baseline suspension without pay of six games, with consideration given to any aggravating or mitigating factors
None of the offenses are any more important or more egregious than any other.
Shutout
Footballguy
I don't get the way several people are saying Rice was "old" or on the back 9, etc. He was a great RB and was only 27 or something when that happened. Put that into today's context. Would we say David johnson, LeVeon Bell, Melvin gordon, etc were old and done if they did this next season, knowing what they have done recently?
This is a FF message board, not a court of law, arbitration hearing, or Human Resources office. We’re discussing an NFL player who is likely to be disciplined for violating the NFL’s domestic abuse policy. The words that are used in this thread to describe the events don’t matter. So don’t pollute the thread playing semantics.
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Shutout
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FreeBaGeL
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Rice was a worn out 27 coming off a terrible season where he put up 660 yards at 3.1 YPC and looked washed up. His value was pretty low even before the video.
DropKick
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
This wasn’t a Ray Rice knock out punch. If it was just the shoving without the kick it would have been glossed over. But you can’t get past the dude just kicking this girl while she’s on the ground.
Yes. A woman getting violently knocked to the ground, then kicked while she was down should be considered getting beat.
DropKick
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She was on her haunches and he basically topples her over in a "GTF" outta here way. Not a good look, of course, but not designed to do damage either. I realize he would had been better off not doing it but he does show restraint.
DropKick
Footballguy
Who knocked her to the ground? A group of drunk people in a mass tussle of which she was a major instigator... Disagree, as previously stated, that she was "kicked".
Shawnky
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DropKick
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DropKick
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Its not hockey in the 1980s, instigating isnt a thing. Especially when he walks back around the corner.
DropKick
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After being asked to leave, she causes a commotion in the hall, drops racial slurs, pushes people and charges at Hunt. She had ample opportunity to walk away too. I believe that when you look for trouble, don't be surprised when you find it.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Damien Williams is not a very elusive RB, I think Ware is better than him in that area of his game.
Williams does have good speed and size though. He catches the ball well and he can block. The Dolphins were using him in a TE/FB role because of lack of other options and because Williams is pretty good at that. Blocking and catching the ball.
I think Ware is a better runner between the tackles. Has better footwork and agility than Williams has for that.
Does it matter?
“Yes, your honor, I violently shoved that person to the ground, causing her to smack into a wall so hard that she was clearly woozy, but it was after she shoved a boy from my posse, who outweighed her by probably a hundred pounds, so it doesn’t really count, right?”
“Mr. Hunt, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
Doesnt mean you can beat the crap out of her, this is idiotic. Hes a world class athlete, he could easily have badly hurt or killed her. Walk the #### away, its not hard.
And when you attack a woman, even if she pushed your friend, don’t be surprised if the NFL punishes you for violating their policy for violence towards women (BTW, there’s no “unless she instigated it” clause in the policy-I checked).
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DropKick
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DropKick
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Shawnky
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DropKick
Footballguy
From the NFL's perspective, of course Hunt will get all the blame.
I don't feel any sympathy for her.
Steeler
Footballguy
Well then who cares how much was her fault? Hunt was 100% in control of his actions and his actions alone caused him to be released by KC and added to the exempt list by the NFL.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Hunt is an elite athlete with everything to lose. She's a normal 19 year old girl with very little to lose. Someone in Hunt's position should know to avoid trouble at all costs.
There is no excuse for what he did. He'll get another chance since in the end she didn't suffer any major injuries. But he f'ed up badly.
DropKick
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DropKick
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Shutout
Footballguy
Hindsight makes it easy to say that because he never got another chance but lots of rbs have had heavy usage and then had a down year and then rebounded with great years. Rice had the talent. He was overworked for a few years and then never got a chance to play.
We will never know the answer for sure but I think (just one guys opinion) that he had shown the talent in the NFL that he easily could have come back and played well again. He could have had a comeback year or two. Just never got the chance. There have been some great rbs who didn't look great every single year. It's a hard position. I think the story on rice is not to assume he was washed up at 27 but to just a knowledge he did not get a follow up opportunity.
-X-
Footballguy
From a football perspective:
*Good signaling of a first down (x2)
*Good (double) stiff arm
*Broke several tackles
*Excellent elusiveness
*No future as a kicker
Kidding aside, I have Hunt and picked up Ware earlier this week. Handcuff paid off so I’m fine with dropping him.
Just drunken shenanigans and both groups should’ve walked away. You can clearly see Hunt say “Come on, biyitch” after he shoved her, so he was the instigator. Yet nobody was seriously injured. Who the hell parties in a Cleveland hotel with underagers anyway? Just poor overall decisioning from the start.
*Good signaling of a first down (x2)
*Good (double) stiff arm
*Broke several tackles
*Excellent elusiveness
*No future as a kicker
Kidding aside, I have Hunt and picked up Ware earlier this week. Handcuff paid off so I’m fine with dropping him.
Just drunken shenanigans and both groups should’ve walked away. You can clearly see Hunt say “Come on, biyitch” after he shoved her, so he was the instigator. Yet nobody was seriously injured. Who the hell parties in a Cleveland hotel with underagers anyway? Just poor overall decisioning from the start.
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Steeler
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Do you think her actions should exonerate Hunt in any way? If not then who cares what she did?
That says a lot about you, but isn’t really relevant to the situation at hand; which is that there is video evidence of Hunt abusing a woman. It doesn’t matter that some random internet message board poster named DropKick says it was the girl who started it.
DropKick
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DJackson10
Footballguy
He was released for lying to them about what happened not because of what was done in the video. Video comes out and Hunt was being truthfully he's most likely on KC today still. KC released him for not being truthful. Lets not White Knight KC here for releasing him though either way.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
NFL will drag feet and keep him on exempt list for rest of this year before giving him 6 games in the off season.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Because people are hypocrites they will forgive you if you are producing for their team. I've been against Allen Iverson for awhile. I use to like him at a very young age but then I heard what a ####ty person he was. I work in retail and had a manager who use to work at the store that many Philly Athletes shopped at which is about 5 mins from all our local news stations. AI was a grade a jackass. Add in all the times he beat his wife and threw her out of the house naked, pulled a gun on a guy for trying to protect her from AI, etc. My one boss was going to a local convince store and AI pulls up with his crew. My manager was getting smokes and a soda. AI stayed in the car. My boss paid for his stuff and leaving the store he sees AI roll up his window as a group of 3-4 kids maybe no older then 6th graders or 7th graders are walking up to the car and one of them said hi to him. This wasn't college guys looking to get his autograph just to sell it but little kids. It's a jerk move. Your posey is in the store GETTING YOUR STUFF FOR YOU AND YOU CAN"T TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO TALK OR SIGN SOMETHING FOR LITTLE KIDS? Yet the dude is viewed as a folk hero here. The reason the Sixers never won a title was because of him as much as they succeeded with him it was also because of him. When the Eagles signed Vick and he started playing well the same people who didn't want him were the first to buy his jersey. It was pretty sickening.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Also are we gonna completely forget the report this girl may have been dropping racial slurs including the N bomb at them and she's white?
DJackson10
Footballguy
Story has it she was at a party at Hunts apartment. When Hunt and company found out she was underage she was kicked out. Conflicting reports but there's reports she used some very "colorful language" including dropping the N bomb at Hunt and his crew (She's white I may add). Also her friend seems to be holding her phone up recording. Wouldn't a good friend see she's out of control grab her and calm her down, try to walk her away or both instead of filming? Hunt seems pretty tame for the incident at first then he loses it where the presumed she probably calls him the N word. She was also the first to take an offensive position and get in people's faces. Hunt is an idiot in engaging her but Something about that video and her friend videoing it doesn't pass the smell test. It sounds like this happened because she was told to leave the party do to being underage and flipped out about it.
So thats where the she's entitled comes from.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Personal Conduct Policy
however, this isn't domestic violence or a domestic dispute
it IS a violation of Personal Conduct Policy
if you're going to call it domestic abuse, you might as well color it with other words that aren't accurate too
we can guess if she used racial slurs, we can guess if he or his crew slurred her, we can guess what might or might not have happened in the room ........... the facts that we know are the video and that it was Hunt was shoved a man into her than kicked her while she was down. Not exceptionally violent, but it was a kick. I doubt there will be any charges coming from it, she'll probably get a nice check, he lost his job with the Chiefs and will have a chance I imagine to redeem himself in the future somehow with work and a second chance. The Chiefs look like they're making a hard stand against their players being violent. Its the NFL that once again comes out looking like they'll do nothing if they can get away with it (having known about this since Feb)
I asked before .... do ya'll think Kansas City will draft a high RB or go for L Bell or ??? Ware can't be the longterm answer
nobody said they were
however, this isn't domestic violence or a domestic dispute
it IS a violation of Personal Conduct Policy
if you're going to call it domestic abuse, you might as well color it with other words that aren't accurate too
we can guess if she used racial slurs, we can guess if he or his crew slurred her, we can guess what might or might not have happened in the room ........... the facts that we know are the video and that it was Hunt was shoved a man into her than kicked her while she was down. Not exceptionally violent, but it was a kick. I doubt there will be any charges coming from it, she'll probably get a nice check, he lost his job with the Chiefs and will have a chance I imagine to redeem himself in the future somehow with work and a second chance. The Chiefs look like they're making a hard stand against their players being violent. Its the NFL that once again comes out looking like they'll do nothing if they can get away with it (having known about this since Feb)
I asked before .... do ya'll think Kansas City will draft a high RB or go for L Bell or ??? Ware can't be the longterm answer
DJackson10
Footballguy
No one is justifying Hunt's behavior with the GIrl's. We're simple saying the girl is no angel here either. Plus it doesn't seem right watching the video and seeing a girl her presumed friend just standing there and filming things? I could see if it's a bystander but it looks like she knows the girl. If thats my friend I'm doing everything at the start of that video to calm her down and pull her away from the situation. I'm not gonna start recording and watch her dig herself into a worse situation. This is not excusing Hunt's behavior but it seems like he was baited and he's an idiot for engaging in it. You also have a couple reports saying this girl was dropping the N Bomb. That's just wrong no matter what. Anyone with that type of language out of their mouth probably should stay away from society as a whole. I think "heat of the moment" or "They were drunk" are embarrassing cheap copouts. In those instances you are just revealing your true character to everyone. Anyone using that language is just asking for confrontation of some kind and in some cites that has you being 6 ft under. Both parties are in the wrong.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
you can call her a lot from the above observances in the video and you can assume truth to what Hunt's crew is saying .... but "entitled"
I imagine the music in the room being listened to was vulgar rap with racial slurs and derogatory to women language .. if she used the N word, probably only the 1,000th time that week Hunt hard heard and used it. But words are not excuses to go after a woman physically like Hunt did. The NFL policy is in place for the image of the league and to protect players/organizations and even young women like this in a way I suppose.
should the young woman not have been there at 3:30 am ? sure - probably. Should she have left without a scene? sure.
did she get what she deserved and Hunt's not guilty? no and the NFL isn't innocent either by covering this up for 10 months
but using the word entitled? that actually describes Hunt more .... entitled because he's a stud NFL player, rich, popular and seems to think he can whip up on a woman when he wants to with no repercussions ?
en·ti·tled
/inˈtīdld,enˈtīdld/
adjective
adjective: entitled
believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
"his pompous, entitled attitude"
DJackson10
Footballguy
Thats one of the stories and then the other one is she was kicked out for being under age which seems to be getting more traction then the other one.
DropKick
Footballguy
Getting kicked out for being underage seems more likely. Had it been the other story, you would think she would left readily.
Streetduck
Footballguy
The video I saw didn’t have any sound, did I miss something or is that Hunt’s side of the story?
