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Breaking - Kareem Hunt RELEASED and unclaimed (1 Viewer)

Way to take it out of context. Nice work. 

Hate to use board cliches, but you have a severe reading comprehension issue. 
You made 6 posts in a row talking about the girl's behavior. Not the 230 lb professional athlete who decided to shove and kick her. But the girl's behavior. There is only one context bud

 
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Why play semantics?  The NFL policy (although a part of the personal conduct policy) is commonly referred to as the domestic abuse policy, but it covers this issue (it specifically references “acts of violence”).  Why pollute the thread by asking “were they in a relationship?”  It serves NO purpose.


semantics ?

not entitled

not in a domestic violence situation

those are facts important to Hunt, the NFL, KCChiefs and the young woman .... words matter

 
semantics ?

not entitled

not in a domestic violence situation

those are facts important to Hunt, the NFL, KCChiefs and the young woman .... words matter
No, they aren't.

https://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2017/08/11/0ap3000000828506.pdf

Prohibited conduct includes but is not limited to the following : Actual or threatened physical violence against another person, including

With regard to violations of the Personal Conduct Policy that involve: (i) criminal assault or battery(felony); (ii) domestic violence, dating violence,child abuse and other forms of family violence; or (iii) sexual assault involving physical force or committed against someone incapable of giving consent, a first offense will subject the offender to a baseline suspension without pay of six games, with consideration given to any aggravating or mitigating factors

None of the offenses are any more important or more egregious than any other.

 
Bonehead move by Hunt.  With that said--his career isn't over.  Players with talent tend to get second chances.  Look at Adrian Peterson, Joe Mixon and even Hunts former teammate Tyreke Hill.  He's not a Ray Rice that was towards the latter part of his career.   Hunt's career took a hit-but its certainly not over.  It might take a year--but he'll be back playing for a team.  
I don't get the way several people are saying Rice was "old" or on the back 9, etc.  He was a great RB and was only 27 or something when that happened. Put that into today's context.  Would we say David johnson, LeVeon Bell, Melvin gordon, etc were old and done if they did this next season, knowing what they have done recently?  

 
semantics ?

not entitled

not in a domestic violence situation

those are facts important to Hunt, the NFL, KCChiefs and the young woman .... words matter
This is a FF message board, not a court of law, arbitration hearing, or Human Resources office.  We’re discussing an NFL player who is likely to be disciplined for violating the NFL’s domestic abuse policy.  The words that are used in this thread to describe the events don’t matter.  So don’t pollute the thread playing semantics.

 
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had Hunt not asked 19 years olds back to his room it wouldn't have happened, if neither he or his crew or her or her friends had been bar hopping it wouldn't have happened .... the what if's are endless

as for FF implications and Chiefs team ...

will they high draft a RB in 2019 ?
they will sign Bell.  LOL

 
I don't get the way several people are saying Rice was "old" or on the back 9, etc.  He was a great RB and was only 27 or something when that happened. Put that into today's context.  Would we say David johnson, LeVeon Bell, Melvin gordon, etc were old and done if they did this next season, knowing what they have done recently?  
Rice was a worn out 27 coming off a terrible season where he put up 660 yards at 3.1 YPC and looked washed up. His value was pretty low even before the video. 

 
This wasn’t a Ray Rice knock out punch. If it was just the shoving without the kick it would have been glossed over. But you can’t get past the dude just kicking this girl while she’s on the ground. 

 
This wasn’t a Ray Rice knock out punch. If it was just the shoving without the kick it would have been glossed over. But you can’t get past the dude just kicking this girl while she’s on the ground. 
She was on her haunches and he basically topples her over in a "GTF" outta here way.   Not a good look, of course, but not designed to do damage either.   I realize he would had been better off not doing it but he does show restraint. 

 
Yes.  A woman getting violently knocked to the ground, then kicked while she was down should be considered getting beat.
Who knocked her to the ground?   A group of drunk people in a mass tussle of which she was a major instigator... Disagree, as previously stated, that she was "kicked".

 
Its not hockey in the 1980s, instigating isnt a thing. Especially when he walks back around the corner.
After being asked to leave, she causes a commotion in the hall, drops racial slurs, pushes people and charges at Hunt.  She had ample opportunity to walk away too.  I believe that when you look for trouble, don't be surprised when you find it.

 
Damien Williams have any worth as a Ware handcuff? Ware's been picked up everywhere.
Damien Williams is not a very elusive RB, I think Ware is better than him in that area of his game.

Williams does have good speed and size though. He catches the ball well and he can block. The Dolphins were using him in a TE/FB role because of lack of other options and because Williams is pretty good at that. Blocking and catching the ball.

I think Ware is a better runner between the tackles. Has better footwork and agility than Williams has for that.

 
Is that right after she shoves the guy trying to keep her away from Hunt?
Does it matter?

“Yes, your honor, I violently shoved that person to the ground, causing her to smack into a wall so hard that she was clearly woozy, but it was after she shoved a boy from my posse, who outweighed her by probably a hundred pounds, so it doesn’t really count, right?”

“Mr. Hunt, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

 
After being asked to leave, she causes a commotion in the hall, drops racial slurs, pushes people and charges at Hunt.  She had ample opportunity to walk away too.  I believe that when you look for trouble, don't be surprised when you find it.
Doesnt mean you can beat the crap out of her, this is idiotic. Hes a world class athlete, he could easily have badly hurt or killed her. Walk the #### away, its not hard.

 
After being asked to leave, she causes a commotion in the hall, drops racial slurs, pushes people and charges at Hunt.  She had ample opportunity to walk away too.  I believe that when you look for trouble, don't be surprised when you find it.
And when you attack a woman, even if she pushed your friend, don’t be surprised if the NFL punishes you for violating their policy for violence towards women (BTW, there’s no “unless she instigated it” clause in the policy-I checked).

 
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And when you attack a woman, even if she pushed your friend, don’t be surprised if the NFL punishes you for violating their policy for violence towards women (BTW, there’s no “unless she instigated it” clause in the policy-I checked).
Read the small print.

 
After being asked to leave, she causes a commotion in the hall, drops racial slurs, pushes people and charges at Hunt.  She had ample opportunity to walk away too.  I believe that when you look for trouble, don't be surprised when you find it.
You saw a different video than I did.  And I missed the audio.  Where'd you get that?

 
After being asked to leave, she causes a commotion in the hall, drops racial slurs, pushes people and charges at Hunt.  She had ample opportunity to walk away too.  I believe that when you look for trouble, don't be surprised when you find it.
Hunt is an elite athlete with everything to lose.  She's a normal 19 year old girl with very little to lose.  Someone in Hunt's position should know to avoid trouble at all costs.  

There is no excuse for what he did.  He'll get another chance since in the end she didn't suffer any major injuries.  But he f'ed up badly.

 
Well then who cares how much was her fault?  Hunt was 100% in control of his actions and his actions alone caused him to be released by KC and added to the exempt list by the NFL.
Nobody cares apparently.  I don't think you should provoke someone like she did.

 
Hunt is an elite athlete with everything to lose.  She's a normal 19 year old girl with very little to lose.  Someone in Hunt's position should know to avoid trouble at all costs.  

There is no excuse for what he did.  He'll get another chance since in the end she didn't suffer any major injuries.  But he f'ed up badly.
Yes he did.

 
Rice was a worn out 27 coming off a terrible season where he put up 660 yards at 3.1 YPC and looked washed up. His value was pretty low even before the video. 
Hindsight makes it easy to say that because he never got another chance but lots of rbs have had heavy usage and then had a down year and then rebounded with great years.  Rice had the talent. He was overworked for a few years and then never got a chance to play.   

We will never know the answer for sure but I think (just one guys opinion) that he had shown the talent in the NFL that he easily could have come back and played well again.  He could have had a comeback year or two.  Just never got the chance.  There have been some great rbs who didn't look great every single year.  It's a hard position.   I think the story on rice is not to assume he was washed up at 27 but to just a knowledge he did not get a follow up opportunity.  

 
From a football perspective:

*Good signaling of a first down (x2)

*Good (double) stiff arm

*Broke several tackles

*Excellent elusiveness

*No future as a kicker

Kidding aside, I have Hunt and picked up Ware earlier this week.  Handcuff paid off so I’m fine with dropping him.  

Just drunken shenanigans and both groups should’ve walked away.  You can clearly see Hunt say “Come on, biyitch” after he shoved her, so he was the instigator.  Yet nobody was seriously injured.  Who the hell parties in a Cleveland hotel with underagers anyway?  Just poor overall decisioning from the start.

 
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From the NFL's perspective, of course Hunt will get all the blame.

I don't feel any sympathy for her.
That says a lot about you, but isn’t really relevant to the situation at hand; which is that there is video evidence of Hunt abusing a woman.  It doesn’t matter that some random internet message board poster named DropKick says it was the girl who started it.

 
That says a lot about you, but isn’t really relevant to the situation at hand; which is that there is video evidence of Hunt abusing a woman.  It doesn’t matter that some random internet message board poster named DropKick says it was the girl who started it.
That took you 20 minutes?

 
Dan it does not matter if you are ok with it. His team and the league are not. No matter what you see on the video or how insignificant it might appear to be......video is a death sentence to an athletes career when it comes to these things.

He is a total idiot for this....and lying to his team just sealed his fate. 
He was released for lying to them about what happened not because of what was done in the video. Video comes out and Hunt was being truthfully he's most likely on KC today still. KC released him for not being truthful. Lets not White Knight KC here for releasing him though either way. 

 
Several years ago, the Bengals had a particularly bad run of (for lack of using a better word) employing a lot of thugs and hoodlums, to the point it seemed that coincided with the league implementing a rule that teams could be personally fined and have draft picks forfeited if their players were jerks.  It seemed to be aimed squarely on the Bengals.  That was, what, 8-10 years ago?  Has anything really changed for the franchise?  Do they still make money putting out a mediocre product? Is the owner still crazy wealthy?  Does it still cost $300 for two people to go to a game (and people are still doing it)?  Add that to the great nugget tossed out here a bit ago about how Mixon's jersey is highly popular with women and I guess it just really goes to show you something...I won't say what that is...don't want to offend...but it IS telling. 
Because people are hypocrites they will forgive you if you are producing for their team. I've been against Allen Iverson for awhile. I use to like him at a very young age but then I heard what a ####ty person he was. I work in retail and had a manager who use to work at the store that many Philly Athletes shopped at which is about 5 mins from all our local news stations. AI was a grade a jackass. Add in all the times he beat his wife and threw her out of the house naked, pulled a gun on a guy for trying to protect her from AI, etc. My one boss was going to a local convince store and AI pulls up with his crew. My manager was getting smokes and a soda. AI stayed in the car. My boss paid for his stuff and leaving the store he sees AI roll up his window as a group of 3-4 kids maybe no older then 6th graders or 7th graders are walking up to the car and one of them said hi to him. This wasn't college guys looking to get his autograph just to sell it but little kids. It's a jerk move. Your posey is in the store GETTING YOUR STUFF FOR YOU AND YOU CAN"T TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO TALK OR SIGN SOMETHING FOR LITTLE KIDS? Yet the dude is viewed as a folk hero here. The reason the Sixers never won a title was because of him as much as they succeeded with him it was also because of him. When the Eagles signed Vick and he started playing well the same people who didn't want him were the first to buy his jersey. It was pretty sickening. 

 
Who beat up a woman?  Did Kareem Hunt beat up a woman?  If he did, Point me to the video that shows that because it certainly isn’t on this tape. Who’s trolling now?

and the Chiefs released him for lying...not for beating anyone up nor due to some BS domestic abuse accusation. When you call what is on this video, domestic abuse, you belittle people that suffer from actual domestic abuse. Don’t be that guy. 
Also are we gonna completely forget the report this girl may have been dropping racial slurs including the N bomb at them and she's white? 

 
why is this young woman being labeled "entitled" ??
Story has it she was at a party at Hunts apartment. When Hunt and company found out she was underage she was kicked out. Conflicting reports but there's reports she used some very "colorful language" including dropping the N bomb at Hunt and his crew (She's white I may add). Also her friend seems to be holding her phone up recording. Wouldn't a good friend see she's out of control grab her and calm her down, try to walk her away or both instead of filming? Hunt seems pretty tame for the incident at first then he loses it where the presumed she probably calls him the N word. She was also the first to take an offensive position and get in people's faces. Hunt is an idiot in engaging her but Something about that video and her friend videoing it doesn't pass the smell test. It sounds like this happened because she was told to leave the party do to being underage and flipped out about it. 

So thats where the she's entitled comes from. 

 
Personal Conduct Policy

Prohibited conduct includes but is not limited to the following : Actual or threatened physical violence against another person, including

With regard to violations of the Personal Conduct Policy that involve: (i) criminal assault or battery(felony); (ii) domestic violence, dating violence,child abuse and other forms of family violence; or (iii) sexual assault involving physical force or committed against someone incapable of giving consent, a first offense will subject the offender to a baseline suspension without pay of six games, with consideration given to any aggravating or mitigating factors

None of the offenses are any more important or more egregious than any other.
nobody said they were

however, this isn't domestic violence or a domestic dispute

it IS a violation of Personal Conduct Policy

if you're going to call it domestic abuse, you might as well color it with other words that aren't accurate too

we can guess if she used racial slurs, we can guess if he or his crew slurred her, we can guess what might or might not have happened in the room ........... the facts that we know are the video and that it was Hunt was shoved a man into her than kicked her while she was down. Not exceptionally violent, but it was a kick. I doubt there will be any charges coming from it, she'll probably get a nice check, he lost his job with the Chiefs and will have a chance I imagine to redeem himself in the future somehow with work and a second chance. The Chiefs look like they're making a hard stand against their players being violent. Its the NFL that once again comes out looking like they'll do nothing if they can get away with it (having known about this since Feb)

I asked before .... do ya'll think Kansas City will draft a high RB or go for L Bell or ???   Ware can't be the longterm answer

 
The girl's behavior has nothing to do with Hunt's behavior. It's a sad way of justifying things. 
No one is justifying Hunt's behavior with the GIrl's. We're simple saying the girl is no angel here either. Plus it doesn't seem right watching the video and seeing a girl her presumed friend just standing there and filming things? I could see if it's a bystander but it looks like she knows the girl. If thats my friend I'm doing everything at the start of that video to calm her down and pull her away from the situation. I'm not gonna start recording and watch her dig herself into a worse situation. This is not excusing Hunt's behavior but it seems like he was baited and he's an idiot for engaging in it. You also have a couple reports saying this girl was dropping the N Bomb. That's just wrong no matter what. Anyone with that type of language out of their mouth probably should stay away from society as a whole. I think "heat of the moment" or "They were drunk" are embarrassing cheap copouts. In those instances you are just revealing your true character to everyone. Anyone using that language is just asking for confrontation of some kind and in some cites that has you being 6 ft under. Both parties are in the wrong. 

 
Story has it she was at a party at Hunts apartment. When Hunt and company found out she was underage she was kicked out. Conflicting reports but there's reports she used some very "colorful language" including dropping the N bomb at Hunt and his crew (She's white I may add). Also her friend seems to be holding her phone up recording. Wouldn't a good friend see she's out of control grab her and calm her down, try to walk her away or both instead of filming? Hunt seems pretty tame for the incident at first then he loses it where the presumed she probably calls him the N word. She was also the first to take an offensive position and get in people's faces. Hunt is an idiot in engaging her but Something about that video and her friend videoing it doesn't pass the smell test. It sounds like this happened because she was told to leave the party do to being underage and flipped out about it. 

So thats where the she's entitled comes from. 
you can call her a lot from the above observances in the video and you can assume truth to what Hunt's crew is saying .... but "entitled" 

I imagine the music in the room being listened to was vulgar rap with racial slurs and derogatory to women language ..  if she used the N word, probably only the 1,000th time that week Hunt hard heard and used it. But words are not excuses to go after a woman physically like Hunt did. The NFL policy is in place for the image of the league and to protect players/organizations and even young women like this in a way I suppose.

should the young woman not have been there at 3:30 am ? sure - probably. Should she have left without a scene? sure.

did she get what she deserved and Hunt's not guilty? no and the NFL isn't innocent either by covering this up for 10 months

but using the word entitled? that actually describes Hunt more .... entitled because he's a stud NFL player, rich, popular and seems to think he can whip up on a woman when he wants to with no repercussions ?

en·ti·tled

/inˈtīdld,enˈtīdld/

adjective

adjective: entitled

believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.

"his pompous, entitled attitude"

 
The story I read said she was kicked out of the party for refusing to hook up with one of Hunt's friends. Whatever the reason, NO, she gets no blame for this.

After reading through this thread I seriously wonder if people actually watched the video or if they are just imbeciles. Hunt initiated the violence. He shoved the woman 1st. He went at her a 2nd time and she defended herself and got her hand up in his face and made contact with Hunt. This infuriated him to the point that it took 2 guys ro pull him away. They led him down a hallway out of view but he broke away and in an effort to get back at the woman he slammed into his friend who was between Hunt and the woman. This sent both the friend and the woman to the ground with the woman hitting her head on the wall and leaving her dazed and in obvious pain. After struggling to get to her feet the woman squats down still in pain at which point Hunt kicked her (no, it wasn't a little tap) and sent her to the floor again for good measure. 

Hunt acted like an idiot and now he's paying the price. However, I don't think that this is a death knell for his career. I do believe in 2nd chances and hopefully Hunt will learn from this, do community service, attend classes and work to make himself a better human being. Having done that I don't see why another team wouldn't give him a shot.
Thats one of the stories and then the other one is she was kicked out for being under age which seems to be getting more traction then the other one. 

 
When the girl tries out for the Chiefs her actions will become relevant to this story, until then, they dont matter.

 
Thats one of the stories and then the other one is she was kicked out for being under age which seems to be getting more traction then the other one. 
Getting kicked out for being underage seems more likely.  Had it been the other story, you would think she would left readily.

 

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