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Brees played 6 weeks with a torn MCL (1 Viewer)

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Where is Cutler? :confused:

Heath Evans: Drew Brees played 6 games with knee ligament tear

Updated 4:40 p.m. Monday

NEW ORLEANS – Did he or didn’t he?

Did New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees suffer significant damage to his left knee in a Week 3 overtime loss to the Atlanta Falcons at the Superdome?

According to Saints fullback Heath Evans, Brees played “six weeks with a torn MCL’’ in his left knee, referring to a medial collateral ligament.

Evans made that revelation Monday morning as a guest on ESPN’s “First Take’’ while debating the manhood of Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler, who came out of Sunday’s NFC Championship game against the Green Bay Packers early in the third quarter with an unspecified knee injury.

Cutler reportedly suffered a sprained MCL in his left knee, according to comments made Monday by Bears' Coach Lovie Smith.

“Sorry Drew, I love you, but Drew Brees played six weeks with a torn MCL,’’ Evans said during a spirited one-on-one debate with “1st and 10’’ panelist Skip Bayless. “I know what Drew Brees did with a torn MCL.’’

It should be noted that Evans made a similar reference to Brees’ injured status for a story published by USA Today in December but did not cite the extent of the knee injury.

Saints right tackle Jon Stinchcomb acknowledged Monday that he was not privy to the extent of Brees' knee injury, only that the quarterback was playing on a bum knee.

"It wasn't a mystery that his knee was bothering him and he was wearinjg a brace for a few weeks,'' Stinchcomb told NewOrleans.Com on Monday. "Drew was able to play through it. He's a tough guy. In no way am I saying that he's tough and Jay Cutler is not. I don't want to make that comparison. I've never played with Jay nor am I condemning the fact that he left the game yesterday.

"But we were aware about Drew's knee. But it's not our position to speak on another player's injury.''

Brees injured his left knee during the fourth quarter of his team's 27-24 loss in OT to the Falcons on Sept. 26, then showed up the next week in practice wearing a brace on his left knee. He also played with a brace on the injured knee in subsequent games.

In his Monday press conference following the Falcons’ game, Saints Coach Sean Payton said Brees merely experienced a bruise and some soreness in his injured knee. Despite that acknowledgement and Brees wearing a knee brace, the quarterback was not listed on the league’s injury report leading up to the Carolina Panthers game the next week.

It was widely reported that an MRI revealed no structural damage based on information provided during team-related press conferences.

“There’s no situation,’’ Payton said days before the Panthers game. “His knee is sore from the game. There’s no specific injury other than he’s got soreness. We didn’t put him on the injury report. He took all the reps. There’s not an injury to report.''

In early November, citing unnamed sources, WIST-690 am reported Brees had been playing with a “fractured’’ left knee and torn meniscus and would have to undergo micro-fracture surgery at season’s end. Payton denied the report, labeling it “inaccurate, completely false.’’

Brees, too, dismissed the report and performed jumping jacks and knee lifts in front of his locker at the team’s training facility to illustrate his point. “I’m fine. I am 100 million, billion, trillion percent sure,’’ a smiling Brees told reporters on Nov. 4. “Does it look like my knee is injured?’’

Brees, who threw a career-high 22 interceptions in 2010, eventually played without a brace and did not miss a game snap or practice snap during the final 14 regular-season and playoff games because of the injury.

During his season-ending press conference Jan. 10 following a 41-36 wildcard loss to the underdog Seattle Seahawks at Qwest Field, Payton said Brees would not need surgery.

Payton and Brees could not be reached for comment. Brees currently is in Honolulu, Hawaii, preparing to play for the NFC squad in Sunday's Pro Bowl game. Payton is in Mobile this week with his coaching staff scouting collegiate talent at the annual Senior Bowl.

 
I think this horse has already been beaten, but it's kind of disingenuous to call Cutler's injury a "sprain" and Brees' a "tear" when they mean the same thing.

 
I have no reason to doubt Cutler was hurt. The problem was that we saw him on the bench (alone) and riding a bike. He seemed totally disconnected from the team. If I saw him speaking with his teammates, giving them some insight or encouragement, I wouldn't think twice about his desire or heart. The fact that he was so removed from what was going on in the game made me question his leadership and how he feels about his teammates. I don't doubt he wanted to play but when he couldn't he should have rallied the team from the sidelines as best he could. It does mean something - win one for the Gipper!

 
cr8f said:
Where is Cutler? :unsure:

Heath Evans: Drew Brees played 6 games with knee ligament tear

Updated 4:40 p.m. Monday

NEW ORLEANS – Did he or didn’t he?

Did New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees suffer significant damage to his left knee in a Week 3 overtime loss to the Atlanta Falcons at the Superdome?

According to Saints fullback Heath Evans, Brees played “six weeks with a torn MCL’’ in his left knee, referring to a medial collateral ligament.

Evans made that revelation Monday morning as a guest on ESPN’s “First Take’’ while debating the manhood of Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler, who came out of Sunday’s NFC Championship game against the Green Bay Packers early in the third quarter with an unspecified knee injury.

Cutler reportedly suffered a sprained MCL in his left knee, according to comments made Monday by Bears' Coach Lovie Smith.

“Sorry Drew, I love you, but Drew Brees played six weeks with a torn MCL,’’ Evans said during a spirited one-on-one debate with “1st and 10’’ panelist Skip Bayless. “I know what Drew Brees did with a torn MCL.’’

It should be noted that Evans made a similar reference to Brees’ injured status for a story published by USA Today in December but did not cite the extent of the knee injury.

Saints right tackle Jon Stinchcomb acknowledged Monday that he was not privy to the extent of Brees' knee injury, only that the quarterback was playing on a bum knee.

"It wasn't a mystery that his knee was bothering him and he was wearinjg a brace for a few weeks,'' Stinchcomb told NewOrleans.Com on Monday. "Drew was able to play through it. He's a tough guy. In no way am I saying that he's tough and Jay Cutler is not. I don't want to make that comparison. I've never played with Jay nor am I condemning the fact that he left the game yesterday.

"But we were aware about Drew's knee. But it's not our position to speak on another player's injury.''

Brees injured his left knee during the fourth quarter of his team's 27-24 loss in OT to the Falcons on Sept. 26, then showed up the next week in practice wearing a brace on his left knee. He also played with a brace on the injured knee in subsequent games.

In his Monday press conference following the Falcons’ game, Saints Coach Sean Payton said Brees merely experienced a bruise and some soreness in his injured knee. Despite that acknowledgement and Brees wearing a knee brace, the quarterback was not listed on the league’s injury report leading up to the Carolina Panthers game the next week.

It was widely reported that an MRI revealed no structural damage based on information provided during team-related press conferences.

“There’s no situation,’’ Payton said days before the Panthers game. “His knee is sore from the game. There’s no specific injury other than he’s got soreness. We didn’t put him on the injury report. He took all the reps. There’s not an injury to report.''

In early November, citing unnamed sources, WIST-690 am reported Brees had been playing with a “fractured’’ left knee and torn meniscus and would have to undergo micro-fracture surgery at season’s end. Payton denied the report, labeling it “inaccurate, completely false.’’

Brees, too, dismissed the report and performed jumping jacks and knee lifts in front of his locker at the team’s training facility to illustrate his point. “I’m fine. I am 100 million, billion, trillion percent sure,’’ a smiling Brees told reporters on Nov. 4. “Does it look like my knee is injured?’’

Brees, who threw a career-high 22 interceptions in 2010, eventually played without a brace and did not miss a game snap or practice snap during the final 14 regular-season and playoff games because of the injury.

During his season-ending press conference Jan. 10 following a 41-36 wildcard loss to the underdog Seattle Seahawks at Qwest Field, Payton said Brees would not need surgery.

Payton and Brees could not be reached for comment. Brees currently is in Honolulu, Hawaii, preparing to play for the NFC squad in Sunday's Pro Bowl game. Payton is in Mobile this week with his coaching staff scouting collegiate talent at the annual Senior Bowl.
I realize the Cutler meme is more religious than rational, and completely immune to logical rebuttal. But...."No offense to Evans, but he’s not a doctor and all indications are his use of the word “torn’’ was not accurate. Coach Sean Payton had more direct knowledge of the Brees’ injury and he said Monday it was a mild knee sprain.

Brees was asked about his injury and he echoed what Payton said. Brees also said it’s unfair to compare his injury to Cutler’s without knowing the exact nature of the Chicago quarterback’s injury. The Bears have said Cutler’s injury was a Grade 2 MCL sprain, which generally keeps players out for several weeks.

Brees suffered his injury in a Week 3 game against Atlanta and wasn’t listed on the injury report for the first week after the game. He wore a brace and later was on the injury report for three weeks, but never missed any playing time.

It may be admirable that Brees played through some issues. But to say he was dealing with the exact same issue that Cutler was on Sunday isn’t fair. That’s because there has been nothing to suggest the two injuries were of the exact same severity."

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id...cutler-not-fair

 
I have no reason to doubt Cutler was hurt. The problem was that we saw him on the bench (alone) and riding a bike. He seemed totally disconnected from the team. If I saw him speaking with his teammates, giving them some insight or encouragement, I wouldn't think twice about his desire or heart. The fact that he was so removed from what was going on in the game made me question his leadership and how he feels about his teammates. I don't doubt he wanted to play but when he couldn't he should have rallied the team from the sidelines as best he could. It does mean something - win one for the Gipper!
Caleb Hanie stated that Cutler helped him throughout the second half.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/1/25/1955...ars-caleb-hanie

 
I have no reason to doubt Cutler was hurt. The problem was that we saw him on the bench (alone) and riding a bike. He seemed totally disconnected from the team. If I saw him speaking with his teammates, giving them some insight or encouragement, I wouldn't think twice about his desire or heart. The fact that he was so removed from what was going on in the game made me question his leadership and how he feels about his teammates. I don't doubt he wanted to play but when he couldn't he should have rallied the team from the sidelines as best he could. It does mean something - win one for the Gipper!
Caleb Hanie stated that Cutler helped him throughout the second half.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/1/25/1955...ars-caleb-hanie
So Cutler had some solid input on those two picks...
 
I have no reason to doubt Cutler was hurt. The problem was that we saw him on the bench (alone) and riding a bike. He seemed totally disconnected from the team. If I saw him speaking with his teammates, giving them some insight or encouragement, I wouldn't think twice about his desire or heart. The fact that he was so removed from what was going on in the game made me question his leadership and how he feels about his teammates. I don't doubt he wanted to play but when he couldn't he should have rallied the team from the sidelines as best he could. It does mean something - win one for the Gipper!
Caleb Hanie stated that Cutler helped him throughout the second half.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/1/25/1955...ars-caleb-hanie
I was going to say that too. Some time for reality to sink in and then help your teammates seemed reasonable.I didn't like that he wasn't grimacing. I felt like that's mandatory to miss the (potential) Supe due to injury.

Also there's probably few injuries the NFL trainers are better prepared for than knee injuries. I'd bet they could have had that knee taped up, used an "immobilizer, brace or whatever in minutes if Cutler wanted to go in. I think this should be required by each individual's pride. Lock things up with protection for the knee and get back in. It's not like he's a RB or somesuch. They have shotgun plays and...I didn't like it

 
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I have no reason to doubt Cutler was hurt. The problem was that we saw him on the bench (alone) and riding a bike. He seemed totally disconnected from the team. If I saw him speaking with his teammates, giving them some insight or encouragement, I wouldn't think twice about his desire or heart. The fact that he was so removed from what was going on in the game made me question his leadership and how he feels about his teammates. I don't doubt he wanted to play but when he couldn't he should have rallied the team from the sidelines as best he could. It does mean something - win one for the Gipper!
Caleb Hanie stated that Cutler helped him throughout the second half.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/1/25/1955...ars-caleb-hanie
The pans of Cutler on the sideline by the TV folks during the game are what fueled the criticism yet his teammates report his involvement in the game and support. So is it coincidence that TV showed Cutler when he was most disengaged, was it planned to stir controversy or are these various teamates carrying out a coverup?I do not think it was the latter option. Players would not tolerate shirking a duty with so much at stake. I'll give everyone the benefit of the doubt and say it was a coincidence. If anyone from the Sharkpool attended the game and had a chance to observe the Chicago sideline, your input would be helpful, However, with a Super Bowl berth at stake, I would expect fans to be focused on what was happening on the field.

 
I have no reason to doubt Cutler was hurt. The problem was that we saw him on the bench (alone) and riding a bike. He seemed totally disconnected from the team. If I saw him speaking with his teammates, giving them some insight or encouragement, I wouldn't think twice about his desire or heart. The fact that he was so removed from what was going on in the game made me question his leadership and how he feels about his teammates. I don't doubt he wanted to play but when he couldn't he should have rallied the team from the sidelines as best he could. It does mean something - win one for the Gipper!
Caleb Hanie stated that Cutler helped him throughout the second half.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/1/25/1955...ars-caleb-hanie
Did you expect Hanie to throw Cutler under a bus? Of course, he would say that Cutler helped. The scrutiny had begun. I did not see Cutler and Hanie going over the airiel view of the offense/defense as one would expect. No mentoring, no cheering, no outward expression of frustration of not being able to play - nothing. Cutler's demeanor was more of a QB that suffered a concusion; not a knee injury.
 
Cenobite said:
Jericho34 said:
Cenobite said:
I have no reason to doubt Cutler was hurt. The problem was that we saw him on the bench (alone) and riding a bike. He seemed totally disconnected from the team. If I saw him speaking with his teammates, giving them some insight or encouragement, I wouldn't think twice about his desire or heart. The fact that he was so removed from what was going on in the game made me question his leadership and how he feels about his teammates. I don't doubt he wanted to play but when he couldn't he should have rallied the team from the sidelines as best he could. It does mean something - win one for the Gipper!
Caleb Hanie stated that Cutler helped him throughout the second half.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/1/25/1955...ars-caleb-hanie
Did you expect Hanie to throw Cutler under a bus? Of course, he would say that Cutler helped. The scrutiny had begun. I did not see Cutler and Hanie going over the airiel view of the offense/defense as one would expect. No mentoring, no cheering, no outward expression of frustration of not being able to play - nothing. Cutler's demeanor was more of a QB that suffered a concusion; not a knee injury.
Really? how much of the time were you watching cutler on the sideline? The broadcast that I watched, FOX, only showed about a minute total through the second half out of about an hour and a half. That broadcast also included 2 occasions of the announcers stating that cutler was showing excitement on the sidelines.
 
Really? how much of the time were you watching cutler on the sideline? The broadcast that I watched, FOX, only showed about a minute total through the second half out of about an hour and a half. That broadcast also included 2 occasions of the announcers stating that cutler was showing excitement on the sidelines.

Yeah - he was adjusting his cup :rolleyes: . You're correct, Fox did not focus on Cutler. However, when they did he was primarily alone and seemed aloof. How many times can you cut away from the game and see him alone on the bench? There is no doubt in my mind that if Cutler was imploring his team to win, the cameras would have been all over it. They have numerous cameras on different players. No way a camera shot like that would have been missed. I just don't believe it happened. He was emotionless. That is what I saw. When Brady was imploring his team against the Steelers in ther regular season - we all saw it. When Peyton is screwing up - we see him look over photos. When Cutler is injured, we see him riding a bike. Again, if Cutler showed any excitement I'm sure we would have seen it. It would have been good for the broadcast and they don't miss many of those opportunities.

 
Really? how much of the time were you watching cutler on the sideline? The broadcast that I watched, FOX, only showed about a minute total through the second half out of about an hour and a half. That broadcast also included 2 occasions of the announcers stating that cutler was showing excitement on the sidelines.
Yeah - he was adjusting his cup :thumbdown: . You're correct, Fox did not focus on Cutler. However, when they did he was primarily alone and seemed aloof. How many times can you cut away from the game and see him alone on the bench? There is no doubt in my mind that if Cutler was imploring his team to win, the cameras would have been all over it. They have numerous cameras on different players. No way a camera shot like that would have been missed. I just don't believe it happened. He was emotionless. That is what I saw. When Brady was imploring his team against the Steelers in ther regular season - we all saw it. When Peyton is screwing up - we see him look over photos. When Cutler is injured, we see him riding a bike. Again, if Cutler showed any excitement I'm sure we would have seen it. It would have been good for the broadcast and they don't miss many of those opportunities.
Are we now attacking Cutler for riding the bike? It's not like he was out on a leisurely bike ride along the lake front. Cutler riding the bike was Cutler trying to stretch his leg out so he could get back in the game.
 
Really? how much of the time were you watching cutler on the sideline? The broadcast that I watched, FOX, only showed about a minute total through the second half out of about an hour and a half. That broadcast also included 2 occasions of the announcers stating that cutler was showing excitement on the sidelines.
Yeah - he was adjusting his cup :rolleyes: . You're correct, Fox did not focus on Cutler. However, when they did he was primarily alone and seemed aloof. How many times can you cut away from the game and see him alone on the bench? There is no doubt in my mind that if Cutler was imploring his team to win, the cameras would have been all over it. They have numerous cameras on different players. No way a camera shot like that would have been missed. I just don't believe it happened. He was emotionless. That is what I saw. When Brady was imploring his team against the Steelers in ther regular season - we all saw it. When Peyton is screwing up - we see him look over photos. When Cutler is injured, we see him riding a bike. Again, if Cutler showed any excitement I'm sure we would have seen it. It would have been good for the broadcast and they don't miss many of those opportunities.
Are we now attacking Cutler for riding the bike? It's not like he was out on a leisurely bike ride along the lake front. Cutler riding the bike was Cutler trying to stretch his leg out so he could get back in the game.
No. I don't doubt he was injured and unable to play. I also think he was trying to get back in the game. That said, I saw nothing to suggest that he being a leader - a person who, when not in the game, is helping, rooting, or imploring his team to win. There were no shots of him smacking his teammates on the shoulders and saying - "let's get them", "good job", etc." You can do that on a bum knee. That has production value and I think Fox would have shown it. I think if that took place, we would have seen it. I could be wrong. If so, it was poor production on the part of Fox. It is my opinion, that is all but nothing suggests that it is wrong. The only replies are that I could be wrong since I didn't see Cutler for the entire time he was out of the game.
 
Jericho34 said:
Cenobite said:
I have no reason to doubt Cutler was hurt. The problem was that we saw him on the bench (alone) and riding a bike. He seemed totally disconnected from the team. If I saw him speaking with his teammates, giving them some insight or encouragement, I wouldn't think twice about his desire or heart. The fact that he was so removed from what was going on in the game made me question his leadership and how he feels about his teammates. I don't doubt he wanted to play but when he couldn't he should have rallied the team from the sidelines as best he could. It does mean something - win one for the Gipper!
Caleb Hanie stated that Cutler helped him throughout the second half.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/1/25/1955...ars-caleb-hanie
So Cutler had some solid input on those two picks...
nice thats nice
 
That has production value and I think Fox would have shown it. I think if that took place, we would have seen it. I could be wrong.
if this little episode has proofed anything, its that fox, and the media in general, created a boatload more production value by not showing it.
 
I have no reason to doubt Cutler was hurt. The problem was that we saw him on the bench (alone) and riding a bike. He seemed totally disconnected from the team. If I saw him speaking with his teammates, giving them some insight or encouragement, I wouldn't think twice about his desire or heart. The fact that he was so removed from what was going on in the game made me question his leadership and how he feels about his teammates. I don't doubt he wanted to play but when he couldn't he should have rallied the team from the sidelines as best he could. It does mean something - win one for the Gipper!
Caleb Hanie stated that Cutler helped him throughout the second half.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/1/25/1955...ars-caleb-hanie
Did you expect Hanie to throw Cutler under a bus? Of course, he would say that Cutler helped. The scrutiny had begun. I did not see Cutler and Hanie going over the airiel view of the offense/defense as one would expect. No mentoring, no cheering, no outward expression of frustration of not being able to play - nothing. Cutler's demeanor was more of a QB that suffered a concusion; not a knee injury.
"No mentoring, no cheering, no outward expression of frustration"I've just been cackling over how all the armchair orthopoedists (who just *knew* Cutler could have played on a Grade 2 MCL tear because he was standing on the sideline) have been gradually forced by the evidence into becoming armchair psychologists....as if there's a proper facial expression to wear after being knocked out of the NFC Championship Game. Have you ever been to a funeral? Is there a uniform facial expression that the bereaved wear?

"Did you expect Hanie to throw Cutler under a bus?"

Roethlesberger's teammates threw *him under the bus. NFL players are not known for the sort of tact you suggest. In any event, if Cutler wasn't helpful, Hanie could easily have said nothing. Olin Kreutz could have said nothing. Urlacher could have said nothing. Chris Harris could have said nothing. Anthony Adams could have said nothing. Etc. Etc.

 

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