The Kerminator
Footballguy
We all knew he couldn't stay away from the cameras too long. It was a whole two days.
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Brett Favre to retire (1 Viewer)
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PewterFan
Footballguy
Good move by Favre. Those 1-day contracts are corny at best. BTW, the Packers didn't make him famous. John Madden did.
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
Like most of the Favre haters you have no clue what you are talking about. That interview with Ed Werder was conducted a week after the season but aired yesterday.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
Stinger Ray said:Like most of the Favre haters you have no clue what you are talking about. That interview with Ed Werder was conducted a week after the season but aired yesterday.KingPrawn said:
Rovers
Footballguy
A little off topic, but what is with the use of this "HATER" word? There are players I may not like or respect, players I think I would not want on the team I root for, but hate? If anyone actually "hates" a player, you need to be on medication. I did not want to see Fvare back as a Jet, but I certainly don't hate the guy. Rant over....
Das Boot
Footballguy
He was right at this time last year too. But only temporarily. Then he was wrong again.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
You sound like a hater, j/k. it is just an expression. I am on medication, though.
sho nuff
Footballguy
To a very few people on this board...anyone who says anything negative about him (or in other cases another team or such) is labeled a hater. Even if the criticism is correct.Like if I say Favre performed badly down the stretch. Hater.
If I say I did not like how Favre went about his comeback last offseason...Hater.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
And there are some people here that have openly admitted to being Favre haters.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Very very few. Yet the name gets thrown around to far more people than those who have admitted it.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
This is an example of an hater. They try and say something to rip on Favre yet they are completely wrong. The interview on ESPN was conducted in January...not two days ago.KingPrawn said:
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Jeremy
Footballguy
I'm actually fine with the term "hater" used in sports, and furthermore, I think it's healthy in the context of sports. There should be certain teams and even players you "hate". It's part of the enjoyment, rooting for your team and against your hated rival.
That said, Sho is right that it's used way too much regarding Favre's critics. There are many Packers fans who are rightly disappointed in the way he's behaved in the last year, and to a lesser extent the last few years. Being a fan of a player doesn't mean you have to close your eyes to all his faults. He acted in a classless manner on his way out of Green Bay and that he seems to believe he's entitled to tell the GM's how to do his job is rediculous. I don't think me saying these things makes me a hater, but there are those would call me that.
That said, Sho is right that it's used way too much regarding Favre's critics. There are many Packers fans who are rightly disappointed in the way he's behaved in the last year, and to a lesser extent the last few years. Being a fan of a player doesn't mean you have to close your eyes to all his faults. He acted in a classless manner on his way out of Green Bay and that he seems to believe he's entitled to tell the GM's how to do his job is rediculous. I don't think me saying these things makes me a hater, but there are those would call me that.
Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
That doesn't make you a hater. That is your opinion.However, there are A LOT of people that take ridiculous shots at Favre and usually have nothing to back it up....those people are haters and if you read any Favre thread you can easily see who those people are. That is fine......I just don't understand the hater mentality other than it must make those pathetic losers feel good ripping on a HOF QB that will be remembered as one of the best QBs of all-time. You see haters all the time in threads about Manning, Brady, and other great players. I'd much rather be supportive of a player than a hater.
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fatness
Footballguy
It's a term frequently by someone who is emotional about a topic and who is unable because of that emotion to discuss it above a 7th grade level.
Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
That is because the haters usually have the mental capacity of a 1st grader. And......you are a well known Favre hater.
Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
Tell us the issues you have in your life that make you a hater and what meds you take.
sho nuff
Footballguy
You make a comment about people not behaving above a 1st grade mentality yet you make comments like this?
Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
sho, I would never expect you to understand the comments that fatness makes about Favre. It is funny to see how quick you are to defend the haters.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Everyone,
Let's keep the discussion to the news and your thoughts on it, and stop the pointless back and forth trying to figure out the magnitude of each others views. The internet, even this board sometimes, is far too guilty of going to extremes and it only serves to invite disagreement. Favre is a first ballot Hall of Famer. You can debate intelligently about what his place in the annals should be, as any such discussion is subjective. But when people start calling a 1st ballot HOFer "the most overrated player" and then, rather than defend against that lunacy, people just start responding to "haters" rather than a specific person making a specific claim, the thread just devolves pointlessly.
Thanks,
J
Let's keep the discussion to the news and your thoughts on it, and stop the pointless back and forth trying to figure out the magnitude of each others views. The internet, even this board sometimes, is far too guilty of going to extremes and it only serves to invite disagreement. Favre is a first ballot Hall of Famer. You can debate intelligently about what his place in the annals should be, as any such discussion is subjective. But when people start calling a 1st ballot HOFer "the most overrated player" and then, rather than defend against that lunacy, people just start responding to "haters" rather than a specific person making a specific claim, the thread just devolves pointlessly.
Thanks,
J
sho nuff
Footballguy
Whats funny is you took that as me defending him. I did no such thing.Its not shocking to see you be confused on that though.sho, I would never expect you to understand the comments that fatness makes about Favre. It is funny to see how quick you are to defend the haters.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Agreed...and he is not the most overrated ever. For some pretty easy reasons.As you mentioned, first ballot HOFer.Career leader in pretty much every major passing category.Most wins at QB.The streak.3 MVPs1 SB win.That pretty much puts him somewhere in the top 10. Id say right around 5ish lumped in with several other guys is about right.And IMO, thats what many would think, some may have him lower in the top 10, some may have him higher.Hardly overrated.
Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
I see you missed this comment from Jason...."Let's keep the discussion to the news and your thoughts on it, and stop the pointless back and forth"Whats funny is you took that as me defending him. I did no such thing.Its not shocking to see you be confused on that though.sho, I would never expect you to understand the comments that fatness makes about Favre. It is funny to see how quick you are to defend the haters.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
I see you missed this comment from Jason...."Let's keep the discussion to the news and your thoughts on it, and stop the pointless back and forth"Whats funny is you took that as me defending him. I did no such thing.Its not shocking to see you be confused on that though.sho, I would never expect you to understand the comments that fatness makes about Favre. It is funny to see how quick you are to defend the haters.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I had not read his comment until I had replied to yours.But I did reply to his...on the topic of what he said.So, time to move on.I see you missed this comment from Jason...."Let's keep the discussion to the news and your thoughts on it, and stop the pointless back and forth"Whats funny is you took that as me defending him. I did no such thing.Its not shocking to see you be confused on that though.sho, I would never expect you to understand the comments that fatness makes about Favre. It is funny to see how quick you are to defend the haters.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Given the size of the cast of Football Night in America, a third in the booth doesn't seem like much. I personally don't lsee the need for three person booths, though, period.
bcr8f
Footballguy
It sure looked that was in pre season. It was preseason though.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
Brett: Behind The Facemask
FROM ANDREW BRANDT:
As he walks away from the game – once and for all, I believe — I’ll always remember the good in Brett Favre. He probably was not deserving of the level of hero worship and idolatry he received at times in his career, nor was he deserving of some of the negativity that came his way the past year. He was sometimes legendary, sometimes very good, and sometimes a “what the —- is he doing?” quarterback. But more than that, from my vantage point, he was a person who made people feel better after being around him. That’s a wonderful trait to have.
In my nine years with the Packers, he was the only starting quarterback, the only player I knew who played for my team at its most important position. And this tenure was after the three MVPs, two Super Bowls, the Vicodin issues, etc. There’s an entire generation of Packer fans who have never known, until this past season, anyone other than Brett leading the team. That continuity, familiarity and success created the institutional brand that Brett was — and will be again one day — for the Packers.
This column will not debate Brett’s on-field accomplishments, which were monumental. I’ll leave that for talk radio and others to debate. Nor is this meant to rehash his divorce from the Packers last summer; that’s for another day as well. This is about Brett the person, sharing some impressions having seen him up close for almost a decade.
My most vivid game memory was the first game I saw him play in person. As with anything, the first time is usually the most memorable. In the season-opening game against the Raiders in Green Bay in 1999, Brett led the team to a thrilling last-drive victory, including some especially scintillating throws. I didn’t really know the legend of Brett, having just moved there, but I understood it then. He was a force of nature that permeated the team, the city, the state, the league and the extensive Packer Nation.
I remember, after a stirring Monday night win in Jacksonville where Brett ran in the winning touchdown after a long drive, a scene off to the side in the locker room. Ahman Green, who was very quiet and not someone who talked much with Brett, or any other teammate, away from the field, went to him and said, “That’s why you are a Hall of Famer. Thanks for being my quarterback.” From Ahman, that was high praise. A subtle but memorable moment.
I remember the first time I touched ground in Green Bay and noticed every other person in the airport wearing Packers gear, with more than half of that group wearing No. 4 jerseys.
I remember being full of frustration on a delayed flight to Green Bay and the captain trying to mollify us frustrated passengers by saying, “We’ll be delayed another hour, but hey, Brett Favre is coming back for another year, so everything’s OK.” And the passengers cheered!
I remember the hordes of fans wherever we traveled who were there to see only one person.
remember sitting with Brett one day as he thanked me and the organization for allowing his agent, Bus Cook, someone I came to know like a (much older) brother, to come to practice, walk through our offices and be received warmly. I told Brett that we were quite fond of Bus, but if Charles Manson represented him, we would allow him the same privileges. He smiled but truly didn’t get the point that, because he was the iconic figure and face of the franchise, we would allow his representative – whoever he was — access.
I remember negotiating his 10-year, $100M contract with Bus and then trying to get Brett to focus on it – and sign it — during the offseason. We had many deals waiting to happen but only after we were able to resolve Brett’s contract, and I was getting exasperated waiting for him to come out of the woods, off the tractor, wherever, to focus on signing the deal.
I remember how smart Brett is. He does a wonderful job trying to pass himself off as a country hayseed, which he is anything but. He’s smarter than he wants anyone to know.
I remember noticing a distance between Brett and back-up quarterbacks who might eventually have posed a threat to his position. Brett knew how he got his job – Don Majkowski got hurt and Brett never relinquished the post – and knew it could happen to him one day as well.
I remember how hard it was to recruit a veteran back-up to play in Green Bay. Agents who had solid veterans – players like Chris Chandler, Trent Dilfer and Steve Beuerlein — were leery of them coming to play for the Packers. Players want to feel they at least have an opportunity to play, but as long as Brett was there, no one felt that way. He never missed a game. Ever.
I remember Brett’s press conferences, where he would lead the media down a path but not take them all the way there. As soon as he was about to say something controversial, he hedged, raised it as a question or pulled it back. His weekly press conferences, while sometimes rambling and contradictory, were as interesting as any around the league (although that’s not saying a lot).
I remember Brett saying he didn’t know about or care about records. And people actually believed him.
I remember cringing when Brett spoke out against teammates such as Javon Walker, who were complaining about their contracts, fearing that some would think management put him up to saying those things, which was obviously not the case. We always expected players to support players in contract disputes.
I remember imploring Brett to trust the young players we were developing in Green Bay. He always said he didn’t have a lot of time to wait for them to develop. I assured him they would do so quickly (and they have).
I remember Brett’s wonderful sense of humor, although it was sometimes bathroom-related. He could impersonate other coaches and players as well as anyone and was especially adept at mimicking our offensive line coach, Larry Beightol, a loveable, bellowing man with creaky knees who was an easy and inviting target for Brett’s barbs.
I remember Brett coming over to me and noticing my suit jacket prior to a game and asking me what the jacket was made of. Before I could answer, he started feeling the jacket all over my back and answered, “Felt.”
I remember that Brett was a friend to the training staff, security staff and equipment room staff at the Packers. He cared deeply for those guys.
I remember how concerned he was about Deanna, his wife. She is a truly special person. Brett really outkicked his coverage with her.
I remember seeing Brett in an empty locker room on Labor Day, which, ironically, was always the day we cut the team down to 53. I told him I was sorry to break the news but we were releasing him. He stared at me for a minute before realizing I was joking.
I remember seeing him in the building on the players’ off day with his daughter and their small dog. He seemed truly at peace with that little scruff of a dog on his lap and his five-year-old daughter at his side.
I remember, like it was yesterday, the weekend in Oakland when his father died. Bus called me on Sunday afternoon to tell me Irv had passed away. Brett was playing golf with Doug Pederson and Ryan Longwell, and Deanna reached him through Doug. Brett came back to the hotel, had some private time, and then wanted to address the team. He wanted to play, for Irv and for the team. There was not a dry eye in that room. It carried over to the next night, as we all now know.
I remember the funeral for Irv that week in Mississippi. That was as revealing a time with Brett as I ever witnessed. I saw him not as the superstar quarterback but as a family member and community member in his hometown. I saw him as a son, a brother, a friend and a neighbor. He had lost his father but was a comforting presence to his mother and many others there.
I remember watching people’s faces, especially those of children, when they got to meet Brett. I never looked at him or the others around him. I just looked at the people meeting and talking to Brett and saw pure, unadulterated joy in their eyes.
I remember how Brett dressed on road trips. Lucky for him he’s not a basketball player, as he would have never complied with the NBA dress code.
I remember Brett and his ubiquitous crossword puzzles.
I remember hearing him on the team plane, sitting next to Frank Winters and their nonstop comedy routine. One time, Winters was doing a crossword puzzle and asked Brett how to spell Mississippi. Brett answered, “The state or the river?”
Behind that public face and star persona is a pretty good person, someone who has fun and cares about others but wants to be cared about as well. Brett has warts and insecurities, as we all do, but in the end, he’s a genuinely good person, friend, husband and father. Beyond the glare of the spotlight that he’s been under for the past 17 years, those traits are what really matter.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/0...d-the-facemask/
FROM ANDREW BRANDT:
As he walks away from the game – once and for all, I believe — I’ll always remember the good in Brett Favre. He probably was not deserving of the level of hero worship and idolatry he received at times in his career, nor was he deserving of some of the negativity that came his way the past year. He was sometimes legendary, sometimes very good, and sometimes a “what the —- is he doing?” quarterback. But more than that, from my vantage point, he was a person who made people feel better after being around him. That’s a wonderful trait to have.
In my nine years with the Packers, he was the only starting quarterback, the only player I knew who played for my team at its most important position. And this tenure was after the three MVPs, two Super Bowls, the Vicodin issues, etc. There’s an entire generation of Packer fans who have never known, until this past season, anyone other than Brett leading the team. That continuity, familiarity and success created the institutional brand that Brett was — and will be again one day — for the Packers.
This column will not debate Brett’s on-field accomplishments, which were monumental. I’ll leave that for talk radio and others to debate. Nor is this meant to rehash his divorce from the Packers last summer; that’s for another day as well. This is about Brett the person, sharing some impressions having seen him up close for almost a decade.
My most vivid game memory was the first game I saw him play in person. As with anything, the first time is usually the most memorable. In the season-opening game against the Raiders in Green Bay in 1999, Brett led the team to a thrilling last-drive victory, including some especially scintillating throws. I didn’t really know the legend of Brett, having just moved there, but I understood it then. He was a force of nature that permeated the team, the city, the state, the league and the extensive Packer Nation.
I remember, after a stirring Monday night win in Jacksonville where Brett ran in the winning touchdown after a long drive, a scene off to the side in the locker room. Ahman Green, who was very quiet and not someone who talked much with Brett, or any other teammate, away from the field, went to him and said, “That’s why you are a Hall of Famer. Thanks for being my quarterback.” From Ahman, that was high praise. A subtle but memorable moment.
I remember the first time I touched ground in Green Bay and noticed every other person in the airport wearing Packers gear, with more than half of that group wearing No. 4 jerseys.
I remember being full of frustration on a delayed flight to Green Bay and the captain trying to mollify us frustrated passengers by saying, “We’ll be delayed another hour, but hey, Brett Favre is coming back for another year, so everything’s OK.” And the passengers cheered!
I remember the hordes of fans wherever we traveled who were there to see only one person.
remember sitting with Brett one day as he thanked me and the organization for allowing his agent, Bus Cook, someone I came to know like a (much older) brother, to come to practice, walk through our offices and be received warmly. I told Brett that we were quite fond of Bus, but if Charles Manson represented him, we would allow him the same privileges. He smiled but truly didn’t get the point that, because he was the iconic figure and face of the franchise, we would allow his representative – whoever he was — access.
I remember negotiating his 10-year, $100M contract with Bus and then trying to get Brett to focus on it – and sign it — during the offseason. We had many deals waiting to happen but only after we were able to resolve Brett’s contract, and I was getting exasperated waiting for him to come out of the woods, off the tractor, wherever, to focus on signing the deal.
I remember how smart Brett is. He does a wonderful job trying to pass himself off as a country hayseed, which he is anything but. He’s smarter than he wants anyone to know.
I remember noticing a distance between Brett and back-up quarterbacks who might eventually have posed a threat to his position. Brett knew how he got his job – Don Majkowski got hurt and Brett never relinquished the post – and knew it could happen to him one day as well.
I remember how hard it was to recruit a veteran back-up to play in Green Bay. Agents who had solid veterans – players like Chris Chandler, Trent Dilfer and Steve Beuerlein — were leery of them coming to play for the Packers. Players want to feel they at least have an opportunity to play, but as long as Brett was there, no one felt that way. He never missed a game. Ever.
I remember Brett’s press conferences, where he would lead the media down a path but not take them all the way there. As soon as he was about to say something controversial, he hedged, raised it as a question or pulled it back. His weekly press conferences, while sometimes rambling and contradictory, were as interesting as any around the league (although that’s not saying a lot).
I remember Brett saying he didn’t know about or care about records. And people actually believed him.
I remember cringing when Brett spoke out against teammates such as Javon Walker, who were complaining about their contracts, fearing that some would think management put him up to saying those things, which was obviously not the case. We always expected players to support players in contract disputes.
I remember imploring Brett to trust the young players we were developing in Green Bay. He always said he didn’t have a lot of time to wait for them to develop. I assured him they would do so quickly (and they have).
I remember Brett’s wonderful sense of humor, although it was sometimes bathroom-related. He could impersonate other coaches and players as well as anyone and was especially adept at mimicking our offensive line coach, Larry Beightol, a loveable, bellowing man with creaky knees who was an easy and inviting target for Brett’s barbs.
I remember Brett coming over to me and noticing my suit jacket prior to a game and asking me what the jacket was made of. Before I could answer, he started feeling the jacket all over my back and answered, “Felt.”
I remember that Brett was a friend to the training staff, security staff and equipment room staff at the Packers. He cared deeply for those guys.
I remember how concerned he was about Deanna, his wife. She is a truly special person. Brett really outkicked his coverage with her.
I remember seeing Brett in an empty locker room on Labor Day, which, ironically, was always the day we cut the team down to 53. I told him I was sorry to break the news but we were releasing him. He stared at me for a minute before realizing I was joking.
I remember seeing him in the building on the players’ off day with his daughter and their small dog. He seemed truly at peace with that little scruff of a dog on his lap and his five-year-old daughter at his side.
I remember, like it was yesterday, the weekend in Oakland when his father died. Bus called me on Sunday afternoon to tell me Irv had passed away. Brett was playing golf with Doug Pederson and Ryan Longwell, and Deanna reached him through Doug. Brett came back to the hotel, had some private time, and then wanted to address the team. He wanted to play, for Irv and for the team. There was not a dry eye in that room. It carried over to the next night, as we all now know.
I remember the funeral for Irv that week in Mississippi. That was as revealing a time with Brett as I ever witnessed. I saw him not as the superstar quarterback but as a family member and community member in his hometown. I saw him as a son, a brother, a friend and a neighbor. He had lost his father but was a comforting presence to his mother and many others there.
I remember watching people’s faces, especially those of children, when they got to meet Brett. I never looked at him or the others around him. I just looked at the people meeting and talking to Brett and saw pure, unadulterated joy in their eyes.
I remember how Brett dressed on road trips. Lucky for him he’s not a basketball player, as he would have never complied with the NBA dress code.
I remember Brett and his ubiquitous crossword puzzles.
I remember hearing him on the team plane, sitting next to Frank Winters and their nonstop comedy routine. One time, Winters was doing a crossword puzzle and asked Brett how to spell Mississippi. Brett answered, “The state or the river?”
Behind that public face and star persona is a pretty good person, someone who has fun and cares about others but wants to be cared about as well. Brett has warts and insecurities, as we all do, but in the end, he’s a genuinely good person, friend, husband and father. Beyond the glare of the spotlight that he’s been under for the past 17 years, those traits are what really matter.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/0...d-the-facemask/
