Brett Favre's throw in Overtime...a lost art these days (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

I get as sick of the Favre worship as anyone, but even before last night's game I was thinking that this year Favre is clearly a Top 5 QB in the NFL, and maybe #3 behind Brady and Manning.Who else would you put above him? Maybe Romo. Palmer has struggled this year. And I don't think anyone else is even in the conversation. Pretty incredible.

thi syear?? maybe.. but.. does favre have.. uhmmm.. moss,stallworth..great defense???? does favre have addai,wayne,harrison,etc etc.. god watch out if he did... favre has driver and a stock OF ROOKIES AND 2ND YEAR KIDS.. FAVRE IS STILL "THE MAN".. good luck to any one trying to eclipse this man's stats fora career with what favre had/has.. and god knows noone will ever play with the excitement of favre.. never have i seen manning brady palmer or anyone..run down the field and pick up someone and laugh.. this guy is the best ever to watch.. and as a steeler homer.. i think favres blows away brady and manning and every other qb to play

I'm confident Manning will leave the game holding all the passing records and it looks like Brady will leave the game with the most Supe wins by a QB. Favre doesn't displace all Marino's records in my memory, so I won't be letting Manning displace Favre. Vick was entertaining to watch and Young is now. Flutie had a sideshow sorta feeling to watching him play that I enjoyed. I don't disagree, Favre is the most entertaining QB I've ever seen.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Marino retiring has left the QB position in Miami in absolute shambles. Until Cutler, the same was true of Denver with Elway leaving.

Miami has won as many super bowls since Marino left as they did when he was there. Elway won super bowls for Denver, yet Cutler has filled his void in 12 starts?

Come on now, you can't blame lack of Super Bowl wins on Marino. I thought everyone pretty much realized by now that football is the most "team" sport there is. Winning Super Bowls is about great teams, not necessarily great players.And Cutler hasn't filled Elway's void yet, but he hasn't been an abject failure and shows a lot of promise so far.

 

[Blueb]

I remember there being a post here a few weeks ago about why the Packers were leading the NFL in yards after the catch and whether this was to the credit of the Pack's WRs or Favre. I think this post by MoP highlights the reason why Favre should receive credit for this. His throws caught his receivers in stride all night which enabled them to make plays instead of focusing on getting their feet down just to stay in bounds.

This reminds me of something Welker said a few weeks ago when asked about Brady. he said that he's most impressed by how Brady catches him in stride but doesnt lead him into trouble (by throwing balls that enable defenders to level him). THis enables WRs to make plays after the catch. Wouldnt be surprised if Brady was up there in YAC as well.

 

[Ghost Rider]

That throw in overtime was like a dagger through the heart of this Broncos fan, but it was an awesome throw, not to mention an amazing way to end the game, going for a bomb on the first play in overtime like that.

And as much as Favre deserved the criticism he got for his mediocre play over the previous few seasons, he deserves all of the kudos he is getting for as well as he is playing this season.

 

[Beergogglz]

Great pass, but God, the constant fluffing of Favre throughout the entire game by the announcers was downright embarrassing. We get it, he's a great QB. No need to polish the man's helmet incessantly.....

You are a piece of work. The first reply in this thread is from you.....a well known Favre hater. What a joy it has been to watch Favre throughout his career and last night just added to his legacy.

In after 24 replies, Fla\/\/ed? Your "Someone dared not kneel at the feet of Lord Favre!" alarm down?

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Great pass, but God, the constant fluffing of Favre throughout the entire game by the announcers was downright embarrassing. We get it, he's a great QB. No need to polish the man's helmet incessantly.....

You are a piece of work. The first reply in this thread is from you.....a well known Favre hater. What a joy it has been to watch Favre throughout his career and last night just added to his legacy.

In after 24 replies, Fla\/\/ed? Your "Someone dared not kneel at the feet of Lord Favre!" alarm down?

I'm proud to be a fan of Favre. It's much better than being a "hater".

 

[The Redbeard]

Great pass, but God, the constant fluffing of Favre throughout the entire game by the announcers was downright embarrassing. We get it, he's a great QB. No need to polish the man's helmet incessantly.....

You are a piece of work. The first reply in this thread is from you.....a well known Favre hater. What a joy it has been to watch Favre throughout his career and last night just added to his legacy.

In after 24 replies, Fla\/\/ed? Your "Someone dared not kneel at the feet of Lord Favre!" alarm down?

On behalf of the entire Shark Pool, thank you for your insightful, thoughtful and relevant posts. Kudos! - raising the bar for discussion about football and keeping us all out of useless pissing contests.Moving on.A good topic MOP. And I agree. Personally, I think that a lot of this has to do with the current pass interference rules and the way they are enforced. In many cases, a coach would rather have the ball thrown where there is a 10% chance it is caught by the receiver, a 40% chance it it a PI call and a 50% chance it falls incomplete but loosens the defense up. Because of who he is, and how this team is set up, he seems to have no qualms about putting it where the percentages fall out very differently. Last night we saw the perfect storm of play calling, talent and execution.

 

[mr. furley]

If you saw the throw last night in overtime, there should have been an emotion that ripped thru you body if you have been watching any amount of both college and pro football lately. Somewhere along the way it seems like all Qbs have forgotten how to throw the football long and up the sidelines. I am so sick and tired of watching a Qb drop back, wind up, and take a shot down field only to put the ball in a place where absolutely no one including the WR can catch the football...what's the point of even attempting the pass? I see more Qbs throwing the ball 5 yards out of bounds on these fly patterns where no one can make a play...I don't get that. It's almost like they are just pretending to want to throw it long. Let's take a look at what Brett Favre did right.1. He recognized he had man on man coverage out there, 15 seasons in the NFL and he knew he had exactly what he wanted with Jennings out there. Because they have hooked up before on some long pass plays, he also knew Jennings had the speed to blow past Dre Bly.2. He got the ball out early...rather than wait for all the seperation to take place, Favre gets that ball out early enough so that he knows he won't have to try and overthrow the football...really the ball was only about 40 yards in the air IIRC...maybe even a little less.3. He hits the WR in stride...what a concept for a Qb these days. 4. He did not pin the WR against the sideline where even if he might make the catch he cannot advance the football because he is falling out of bounds. Tha pass was perfect, the route was run to perfection, the timing was excellent...why are these pass plays such a rare occurence it seems these days? I was thrilled to watch a real old fashioned stand in the pocket gunslinger, deliver a ball down the field with precision timing, and the end result is the Packers advance to 6-1, the Broncos probably just flushed any hopes of post season down the drain. What a play!!!

what made that particular pass so amazing is that in the last couple weeks there has, again, been a LOT of talk about how Favre might really be washed up... coming off two average performances against the Bears and Redskins people were questioning if he just "got lucky" the first few weeks. Favre even took a stab at Packers beat writer Pete Dougherty in his press conference last nite.. thanking him for writing articles questioning Favre's arm recently. apparently Dougherty was leading the "Favre's arm is shot" charge. traditionally Favre has NOT been great completing the deep ball. the stats support that. he misses on those way more than the league average.but he takes challenges to heart. watching him complete that bomb last nite was INCREDIBLE! the ball was 50+ in the air. right on the money.LOTS of credit to Jennings on that play as well. he said that Bly was attempting to pin his arms and pushing him a bit. what i noticed was Bly not able to watch the ball, Jennings leading him towards the middle of the field and then fading back to the sideline at the last second to make the catch. that created the separation he needed and kept Bly from being able to run straight, throw up his arms and make a play on the ball. Favre dropped the ball down the chimney but Jennings created the space to make the catch. that was a great play on both ends.i'm an intensely POSITIVE emotional Packers fan. i get mad at bonehead plays (Bigby all nite) but i get really really excited for the big plays. i was jumping up and down and screaming for a good 2-3 minutes after that play. pure, utter, joy. it was also awesome to watch Favre's post-game presser. he's so honest and frank with questions.. it's refreshing. he admitted to being nervous going in to OT. he admits that he gets nervous when people come to him and say "OK Brett, this is where you win the game for us.. we need a big play". he's human. it's awesome. :(

 

[maxwell1295]

What Favre has, more than just about any QB I've seen, is the flair for the dramatic (Montana and Elway are two others that come to mind). The ability to pull of plays like that when he needs to is what makes him such a joy to watch. The timing of those moments is what makes them so unforgettable. The pass he threw to Sterling Sharpe vs. the Lions in the playoffs is a perfect example of that. He just has a knack for doing these things in a big spot...

 

[Tau837]

QBs are taught to try to put the ball where only their WR has a shot at it. This is incredibly difficult to do in practice, and at best it give the guy a catch falling out of bounds. This was indeed a great throw because it did something only the REALLY good QBs do- anticipate not where the WR will be, but where the DB should be. Its dangerous in the sense that if Bly had done something unexpected and jumped the route it could be picked off, but realistically in man coverage he is going to be looking at Jennings, not anticipating the route, because he's out on an island with no help. He CANT take a chance. So yes, its a risky play in the general sense, but realistically its a safe play because the CB is unlikely to do the unexpected. You won't see a lot of QBs attempt that throw because, one, they dont trust their armstrength and an underthrow CAN be picked off, and two, they are taught not to test DBs like that.

, and love your sig.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

QBs are taught to try to put the ball where only their WR has a shot at it. This is incredibly difficult to do in practice, and at best it give the guy a catch falling out of bounds. This was indeed a great throw because it did something only the REALLY good QBs do- anticipate not where the WR will be, but where the DB should be. Its dangerous in the sense that if Bly had done something unexpected and jumped the route it could be picked off, but realistically in man coverage he is going to be looking at Jennings, not anticipating the route, because he's out on an island with no help. He CANT take a chance. So yes, its a risky play in the general sense, but realistically its a safe play because the CB is unlikely to do the unexpected. You won't see a lot of QBs attempt that throw because, one, they dont trust their armstrength and an underthrow CAN be picked off, and two, they are taught not to test DBs like that.

Fantastic post MB...I think you understood the OP well.

 

[sho nuff]

What Favre has, more than just about any QB I've seen, is the flair for the dramatic (Montana and Elway are two others that come to mind). The ability to pull of plays like that when he needs to is what makes him such a joy to watch. The timing of those moments is what makes them so unforgettable. The pass he threw to Sterling Sharpe vs. the Lions in the playoffs is a perfect example of that. He just has a knack for doing these things in a big spot...

Watched that replay a few weeks ago on ESPN Classic.Incredible throw.Ryan's throw for BC against VaTech reminded me of it (though a much shorter version)

 

[packersfan]

Favre even took a stab at Packers beat writer Pete Dougherty in his press conference last nite.. thanking him for writing articles questioning Favre's arm recently. apparently Dougherty was leading the "Favre's arm is shot" charge.

I know Pete and I like him but he was way off base with this stuff. Favre's arm didn't just go to hell in six quarters. He had a rough game against a good Washington defense. That's it. It's certainly likely he's lost a little off his fastball. After all, he is 80 years old. But the idea that Favre had lost a lot of arm strength really was short-sighted and flat-out mistaken.

 

[coachjim]

Brett Favre just loves to play the GAME. If you look in the dictionary under NFL Quarternack, in my opinion, you could see any of the followings pictured.

Favre, Elway and Johnny U are cut of the same cloth. They all really enjoyed playing the game. They all have a passion for the game that few have.

There are other great QB's like Marino, but I believe Dan was all about records. He lacked the passion that I see in the guys listed. Dan probably has the best mechanics of any QB to ever play the game though.

There are few things on TV that I would never miss and Favre and the Pack is one of them.

What a pleasure to watch the man after he released the ball on the winning TD last night. I could see him 20 years ago doing the same thing in high school. Not much has changed with him over all these years that he has provided a true football fan like me with such pleasure and excitement for the game.

Keep it up Brett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

If you saw the throw last night in overtime, there should have been an emotion that ripped thru you body if you have been watching any amount of both college and pro football lately. Somewhere along the way it seems like all Qbs have forgotten how to throw the football long and up the sidelines. I am so sick and tired of watching a Qb drop back, wind up, and take a shot down field only to put the ball in a place where absolutely no one including the WR can catch the football...what's the point of even attempting the pass? I see more Qbs throwing the ball 5 yards out of bounds on these fly patterns where no one can make a play...I don't get that. It's almost like they are just pretending to want to throw it long. Let's take a look at what Brett Favre did right.1. He recognized he had man on man coverage out there, 15 seasons in the NFL and he knew he had exactly what he wanted with Jennings out there. Because they have hooked up before on some long pass plays, he also knew Jennings had the speed to blow past Dre Bly.2. He got the ball out early...rather than wait for all the seperation to take place, Favre gets that ball out early enough so that he knows he won't have to try and overthrow the football...really the ball was only about 40 yards in the air IIRC...maybe even a little less.3. He hits the WR in stride...what a concept for a Qb these days. 4. He did not pin the WR against the sideline where even if he might make the catch he cannot advance the football because he is falling out of bounds. Tha pass was perfect, the route was run to perfection, the timing was excellent...why are these pass plays such a rare occurence it seems these days? I was thrilled to watch a real old fashioned stand in the pocket gunslinger, deliver a ball down the field with precision timing, and the end result is the Packers advance to 6-1, the Broncos probably just flushed any hopes of post season down the drain. What a play!!!

what made that particular pass so amazing is that in the last couple weeks there has, again, been a LOT of talk about how Favre might really be washed up... coming off two average performances against the Bears and Redskins people were questioning if he just "got lucky" the first few weeks. Favre even took a stab at Packers beat writer Pete Dougherty in his press conference last nite.. thanking him for writing articles questioning Favre's arm recently. apparently Dougherty was leading the "Favre's arm is shot" charge. traditionally Favre has NOT been great completing the deep ball. the stats support that. he misses on those way more than the league average.but he takes challenges to heart. watching him complete that bomb last nite was INCREDIBLE! the ball was 50+ in the air. right on the money.LOTS of credit to Jennings on that play as well. he said that Bly was attempting to pin his arms and pushing him a bit. what i noticed was Bly not able to watch the ball, Jennings leading him towards the middle of the field and then fading back to the sideline at the last second to make the catch. that created the separation he needed and kept Bly from being able to run straight, throw up his arms and make a play on the ball. Favre dropped the ball down the chimney but Jennings created the space to make the catch. that was a great play on both ends.i'm an intensely POSITIVE emotional Packers fan. i get mad at bonehead plays (Bigby all nite) but i get really really excited for the big plays. i was jumping up and down and screaming for a good 2-3 minutes after that play. pure, utter, joy. it was also awesome to watch Favre's post-game presser. he's so honest and frank with questions.. it's refreshing. he admitted to being nervous going in to OT. he admits that he gets nervous when people come to him and say "OK Brett, this is where you win the game for us.. we need a big play". he's human. it's awesome.

Thanks for the heartfelt post Furley...again I want to reiterate that my OP was not so much about Favre the Qb, although I got no problem with any of the manlove that so many like to express...I think Favre has earned all of it. I hated him when I lived in Tampa but as I moved out of Florida I got a new respect for him as time went on. Now I can say I ma honestly a fan of his...in fact I think he represents what an NFL player should be to a lot of us. He just comes out in a white T-Shirt and blue jeans at press conferences instead of trying to make the cover of GQ, his commercials are geared to him just being an average guy, I think he drives a pick up truck...a nice one I'm sure. His wife is pretty but she is no Playboy Centerfold or anything. He's battled drugs and alcohol in his career, there is a lot you can identify with if you are a fan of Brett Favre. But back on point, I am really interested why more teams can't hit plays like what Green Bay did last night.

 

[switz]

Absolutely agree with you 100%.

It's one of the biggest reasons that I like Losman a lot more than I like Edwards. Losman isn't afraid to throw the ball downfield and let his WR make a play on the ball. IMO, unless the QB throws a duck, the WR has the advantage on every deep ball thrown because he not only knows the route, but the defender is the one having the chase AND try to find the ball in the air.

But too many coaches in the NFL are afraid of throwing it downfield. Fairchild is absolutely killing the Bills by refusing to call downfield passes. I don't have a problem with running the ball and trusting your defense, but you have to take some shots during the game too, especially when the defense is crowding the line and daring you to throw deep. I'd much rather see my team take a shot downfield and throw an INT that puts the opponent on their 30 yard line than play it safe, punt and put the opponent on their own 20 yard line.

I was thinking the EXACT same thing....

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Brett Favre just loves to play the GAME. If you look in the dictionary under NFL Quarternack, in my opinion, you could see any of the followings pictured.Favre, Elway and Johnny U are cut of the same cloth. They all really enjoyed playing the game. They all have a passion for the game that few have.There are few things on TV that I would never miss and Favre and the Pack is one of them. What a pleasure to watch the man after he released the ball on the winning TD last night. I could see him 20 years ago doing the same thing in high school. Not much has changed with him over all these years that he has provided a true football fan like me with such pleasure and excitement for the game.Keep it up Brett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[remote controller]

If you saw the throw last night in overtime, there should have been an emotion that ripped thru you body if you have been watching any amount of both college and pro football lately. Somewhere along the way it seems like all Qbs have forgotten how to throw the football long and up the sidelines. I am so sick and tired of watching a Qb drop back, wind up, and take a shot down field only to put the ball in a place where absolutely no one including the WR can catch the football...what's the point of even attempting the pass? I see more Qbs throwing the ball 5 yards out of bounds on these fly patterns where no one can make a play...I don't get that. It's almost like they are just pretending to want to throw it long. Let's take a look at what Brett Favre did right.

1. He recognized he had man on man coverage out there, 15 seasons in the NFL and he knew he had exactly what he wanted with Jennings out there. Because they have hooked up before on some long pass plays, he also knew Jennings had the speed to blow past Dre Bly.

2. He got the ball out early...rather than wait for all the seperation to take place, Favre gets that ball out early enough so that he knows he won't have to try and overthrow the football...really the ball was only about 40 yards in the air IIRC...maybe even a little less.

3. He hits the WR in stride...what a concept for a Qb these days.

4. He did not pin the WR against the sideline where even if he might make the catch he cannot advance the football because he is falling out of bounds.

Tha pass was perfect, the route was run to perfection, the timing was excellent...why are these pass plays such a rare occurence it seems these days? I was thrilled to watch a real old fashioned stand in the pocket gunslinger, deliver a ball down the field with precision timing, and the end result is the Packers advance to 6-1, the Broncos probably just flushed any hopes of post season down the drain.

What a play!!!

Great pass, great win, great player. But an emotion that ripped through my body? Ummm...no.I've seen Favre heave plenty up that were headed for nobody but a defender. That's why he has the all-time interceptions record. He's having a great season and the Packers are a legitimate Super Bowl team (since they're in the NFC). But all this waxing poetic about artists with pigskin is why I don't ever listen to broadcast announcers. Nobody has perspective anymore.

That being said, I hope Favre keeps it up. You can't have the Lions, of all teams, winning a division. That's not what the NFL is all about.

Since ignorance is bliss, you are one happy fellow. This is a very stupid comment you just made. Do you have any idea where Favre rates in Int. to TD ratio? Go look it up...........learn, and get back to us!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Brett Favre just loves to play the GAME. If you look in the dictionary under NFL Quarternack, in my opinion, you could see any of the followings pictured.

Favre, Elway and Johnny U are cut of the same cloth. They all really enjoyed playing the game. They all have a passion for the game that few have.

There are other great QB's like Marino, but I believe Dan was all about records. He lacked the passion that I see in the guys listed. Dan probably has the best mechanics of any QB to ever play the game though.

There are few things on TV that I would never miss and Favre and the Pack is one of them.

What a pleasure to watch the man after he released the ball on the winning TD last night. I could see him 20 years ago doing the same thing in high school. Not much has changed with him over all these years that he has provided a true football fan like me with such pleasure and excitement for the game.

Keep it up Brett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You couln't be more wrong...that guy was all about winning to the point he used to get into it with his OL, WR, everybody on the sidelines...if the Miami defense in the mid to late 80s had half the moxi Marino had, we might have been able to do something. Marino was not all about the records I promise you.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

If you saw the throw last night in overtime, there should have been an emotion that ripped thru you body if you have been watching any amount of both college and pro football lately. Somewhere along the way it seems like all Qbs have forgotten how to throw the football long and up the sidelines. I am so sick and tired of watching a Qb drop back, wind up, and take a shot down field only to put the ball in a place where absolutely no one including the WR can catch the football...what's the point of even attempting the pass? I see more Qbs throwing the ball 5 yards out of bounds on these fly patterns where no one can make a play...I don't get that. It's almost like they are just pretending to want to throw it long. Let's take a look at what Brett Favre did right.

1. He recognized he had man on man coverage out there, 15 seasons in the NFL and he knew he had exactly what he wanted with Jennings out there. Because they have hooked up before on some long pass plays, he also knew Jennings had the speed to blow past Dre Bly.

2. He got the ball out early...rather than wait for all the seperation to take place, Favre gets that ball out early enough so that he knows he won't have to try and overthrow the football...really the ball was only about 40 yards in the air IIRC...maybe even a little less.

3. He hits the WR in stride...what a concept for a Qb these days.

4. He did not pin the WR against the sideline where even if he might make the catch he cannot advance the football because he is falling out of bounds.

Tha pass was perfect, the route was run to perfection, the timing was excellent...why are these pass plays such a rare occurence it seems these days? I was thrilled to watch a real old fashioned stand in the pocket gunslinger, deliver a ball down the field with precision timing, and the end result is the Packers advance to 6-1, the Broncos probably just flushed any hopes of post season down the drain.

What a play!!!

Great pass, great win, great player. But an emotion that ripped through my body? Ummm...no.I've seen Favre heave plenty up that were headed for nobody but a defender. That's why he has the all-time interceptions record. He's having a great season and the Packers are a legitimate Super Bowl team (since they're in the NFC). But all this waxing poetic about artists with pigskin is why I don't ever listen to broadcast announcers. Nobody has perspective anymore.

That being said, I hope Favre keeps it up. You can't have the Lions, of all teams, winning a division. That's not what the NFL is all about.

Since ignorance is bliss, you are one happy fellow. This is a very stupid comment you just made. Do you have any idea where Favre rates in Int. to TD ratio? Go look it up...........learn, and get back to us!

 

[parrot]

There are other great QB's like Marino, but I believe Dan was all about records. He lacked the passion that I see in the guys listed. Dan probably has the best mechanics of any QB to ever play the game though.

Dan Marino lacked passion? Seriously? Wow.

 

[mr. furley]

Favre even took a stab at Packers beat writer Pete Dougherty in his press conference last nite.. thanking him for writing articles questioning Favre's arm recently. apparently Dougherty was leading the "Favre's arm is shot" charge.

I know Pete and I like him but he was way off base with this stuff. Favre's arm didn't just go to hell in six quarters. He had a rough game against a good Washington defense. That's it. It's certainly likely he's lost a little off his fastball. After all, he is 80 years old. But the idea that Favre had lost a lot of arm strength really was short-sighted and flat-out mistaken.

unfortunately Packers beat writers (and most of the national media) have gone over every aspect of Favre's life and game with a fine tooth comb already... there isn't anything left to write about except fabricating stories like Dougherty did.or like the stories from the past couple years about how Favre is a selfish athlete only interested in stats and his own ego.someone dreams up a topic, throws it on paper and then people run with it. terrible journalism but that seems to be all that's left in regards to writing about Favre.

 

[mr. furley]

It's one of the biggest reasons that I like Losman a lot more than I like Edwards. Losman isn't afraid to throw the ball downfield and let his WR make a play on the ball.

it's one reason why guys like Jeff Garcia and Chad Pennington (until this week) kept jobs.they dink and dunk. everything under 15 yards. efficient passes. nothing risky. it's boring as hell to watch but it can be effective.

gone are the days when the Raiders ran fly pattern after fly pattern and Al Davis wanted track guys to streak downfield. it's a different game. i think there are guys who CAN do it but nowadays coaches would rather move the ball downfield slowly, in small chunks, in an effort to minimize mistakes.

 

[Gravity]

2 thoughts come to mind:

1. As a JETS fan, I have not seen passes like that from a JETS QB in years - not since Vinny.

2. I wish Favre had moss - now that would've been fun to watch.

 

[Sabertooth]

If you saw the throw last night in overtime, there should have been an emotion that ripped thru you body if you have been watching any amount of both college and pro football lately. Somewhere along the way it seems like all Qbs have forgotten how to throw the football long and up the sidelines. I am so sick and tired of watching a Qb drop back, wind up, and take a shot down field only to put the ball in a place where absolutely no one including the WR can catch the football...what's the point of even attempting the pass? I see more Qbs throwing the ball 5 yards out of bounds on these fly patterns where no one can make a play...I don't get that. It's almost like they are just pretending to want to throw it long. Let's take a look at what Brett Favre did right.1. He recognized he had man on man coverage out there, 15 seasons in the NFL and he knew he had exactly what he wanted with Jennings out there. Because they have hooked up before on some long pass plays, he also knew Jennings had the speed to blow past Dre Bly.2. He got the ball out early...rather than wait for all the seperation to take place, Favre gets that ball out early enough so that he knows he won't have to try and overthrow the football...really the ball was only about 40 yards in the air IIRC...maybe even a little less.3. He hits the WR in stride...what a concept for a Qb these days. 4. He did not pin the WR against the sideline where even if he might make the catch he cannot advance the football because he is falling out of bounds. Tha pass was perfect, the route was run to perfection, the timing was excellent...why are these pass plays such a rare occurence it seems these days? I was thrilled to watch a real old fashioned stand in the pocket gunslinger, deliver a ball down the field with precision timing, and the end result is the Packers advance to 6-1, the Broncos probably just flushed any hopes of post season down the drain. What a play!!!

If not for the FFA, you'd be my favorite post. But because of your temper...you are my second behind Gekko!You fail to mention the playaction on the play though. He did fake it and McCarthy stated in the postgame interview with Larry McCarren that they'd been setting the Broncos corners up by throwing in front of them for some time. He mentioned the Bly likes to cheap up for run support.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

If you saw the throw last night in overtime, there should have been an emotion that ripped thru you body if you have been watching any amount of both college and pro football lately. Somewhere along the way it seems like all Qbs have forgotten how to throw the football long and up the sidelines. I am so sick and tired of watching a Qb drop back, wind up, and take a shot down field only to put the ball in a place where absolutely no one including the WR can catch the football...what's the point of even attempting the pass? I see more Qbs throwing the ball 5 yards out of bounds on these fly patterns where no one can make a play...I don't get that. It's almost like they are just pretending to want to throw it long. Let's take a look at what Brett Favre did right.1. He recognized he had man on man coverage out there, 15 seasons in the NFL and he knew he had exactly what he wanted with Jennings out there. Because they have hooked up before on some long pass plays, he also knew Jennings had the speed to blow past Dre Bly.2. He got the ball out early...rather than wait for all the seperation to take place, Favre gets that ball out early enough so that he knows he won't have to try and overthrow the football...really the ball was only about 40 yards in the air IIRC...maybe even a little less.3. He hits the WR in stride...what a concept for a Qb these days. 4. He did not pin the WR against the sideline where even if he might make the catch he cannot advance the football because he is falling out of bounds. Tha pass was perfect, the route was run to perfection, the timing was excellent...why are these pass plays such a rare occurence it seems these days? I was thrilled to watch a real old fashioned stand in the pocket gunslinger, deliver a ball down the field with precision timing, and the end result is the Packers advance to 6-1, the Broncos probably just flushed any hopes of post season down the drain. What a play!!!

If not for the FFA, you'd be my favorite post. But because of your temper...you are my second behind Gekko!You fail to mention the playaction on the play though. He did fake it and McCarthy stated in the postgame interview with Larry McCarren that they'd been setting the Broncos corners up by throwing in front of them for some time. He mentioned the Bly likes to cheap up for run support.

Gordon Gekko? Cause I like him a lot too. Glad you liked the post, working on the temper, will let you know when I get it under control, probably never.

 

[remote controller]

Then you'd be the "Minister of Plain". Keep the attitude!

 

[mbuehner]

Absolutely agree with you 100%.

It's one of the biggest reasons that I like Losman a lot more than I like Edwards. Losman isn't afraid to throw the ball downfield and let his WR make a play on the ball. IMO, unless the QB throws a duck, the WR has the advantage on every deep ball thrown because he not only knows the route, but the defender is the one having the chase AND try to find the ball in the air.

But too many coaches in the NFL are afraid of throwing it downfield. Fairchild is absolutely killing the Bills by refusing to call downfield passes. I don't have a problem with running the ball and trusting your defense, but you have to take some shots during the game too, especially when the defense is crowding the line and daring you to throw deep. I'd much rather see my team take a shot downfield and throw an INT that puts the opponent on their 30 yard line than play it safe, punt and put the opponent on their own 20 yard line.

I was thinking the EXACT same thing....

I've been arguing since Losman was drafted that in fact he is the ugly side of this coin. He's willing to make those throws but he doesnt have good judgement on when to make them, and despite his outstanding arm it isnt as good as he thinks it is when he is off balance. Combine bad mechanics and questionable judgement and you have a real problem. Especially once defenses found out he was going to chuck it to Evans down the field no matter what he saw. That is not a compliment. Favre's smarts and instincts are not as well appreciated as his arm and guts. I happen to think he looks like a gun slinger a lot more than he is, most of his throws he knows exactly what he has. When he gets into trouble its usually because he believes his own press and falls back on pure arm strength to force things. I think at his best Favres decision making cycle is so fast it just looks like he's crazy. That may be the most unheralded part of his game. That instinct/experience/feel is something Losman has never displayed and it makes him nothing but dangerous.

 

[_4_]

Not that someone with the moniker I carry would be biased, but Favre, over the course of his career has been the most entertaining individual player in the League. Yes, exciting players have come and gone (Barry Sanders, Deion Sanders, Culpepper to Moss to name a few), but for Brett Favre to continue to play at the level he does is remarkable. Even more remarkable is his consecutive game streak. He is almost 100 games ahead of Manning and that record will be his most cherished.

According to Favre, as long as the Pack shows well this season and he continues to have fun and positively contribute, he will be back - whether that is another year, two or three.....

 

[scott72]

Good post MoP...and I agree... Generally speaking, what Brett does on any given Sunday (or Thursday or Monday) is something that even those who hate the Pack should notice. The guy is simply awesome to watch if you're a football fan at heart, love or hate the team...Favre is one of a kind...a warrior.I'm going to ramble a bit now, so move along if you don't care to read about why I like Favre so much.I married into a Packer family and being a Jets fan, I rarely have much to brag about anyway. My wife moved in prior to us getting married and along with her comes this friggin life-sized cardboard cutout of #4. I'm thinking the #### with this, it's getting tossed in a closet never to be seen again. So, her dad and I start watching football on Sundays, obviously we didin't miss a Packers game. Watching Favre play, even through the past 4 or 5 years where he's been trying to carry the team on his shoulders, I simply became more and more impressed. Battling through injuries, poor coaching, lack of talent. He still seemed to have some magic in every start. Quickly I became a closet Packers fan and Brett is now on of my favorite players ever (along with Mickey Shuler and CMart). But I never remember being glued to the TV to see one guy do what he does like I do with Brett. Honestly, I think he attitude and determination are what make him so fun to watch. The ability is obviously there. But man...the dude never seems out of a game mentally, down 20, he's still fighting.OK, sorry for the rant. I get sick of so many (including many of my drinkin' buddies) that whine (as they did last night) about the announcers going on and on about Favre. He deserves it. His career will soon be over and those of us who've seen him play will surely never forget him. And we may never see another like him. He's a throwback. He does it for the love of the game. That's what all sports, not just the NFL, are missing. I'm sure he's happy with the money and the records, but I really don't think that's what it's all about for him. To watch him play, you KNOW that.ETA - The cardboard cutout hangs in the stairway to the basement now...not that you really needed to know that...LOL.

That was an awesome post. It's easy to take for granted how lucky we've been as Packer fans because Brett has been doing this for so long. Sometimes I have to stop and think about what it was like before him and what it will be like when he's gone. I'm so thankful that I've had the chance to see him play in person 10 times, because when he's gone like you said we'll never get another one like him. He's a true ambassador for the sport and a simple guy. Does post game interviews in jeans and a t-shirt, not trying to look all GQ like some other players out there. During the off season the guy is happy riding around on his riding lawn mower, not hanging out in clubs carrying guns and driving around in tricked out $100,000 SUV's. Just a great guy all around and will be greatly missed when he hangs it up.

 

[coachjim]

I guess I do remember Dan getting ------at WR's that ran the wrong route. How soon we forget. Sorry for my comments on the Great Release.

 

[Steeler43]

Great pass, but God, the constant fluffing of Favre throughout the entire game by the announcers was downright embarrassing. We get it, he's a great QB. No need to polish the man's helmet incessantly.....

What does that have to do with this? Who listens to the TV announcers anyways...tune in Boomer and Marv Albert on the radio telecast, much better.

Look at me I'm too cool to listen to the TV broadcast!

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I've seen Favre heave plenty up that were headed for nobody but a defender. That's why he has the all-time interceptions record.

um, okay... but he also has the record for most pass attempts, most pass completions, most TD passes, most wins, etc. i'm not saying that he's not interception prone, but try to put your fancy little stat into some blazingly obvious perspective.

I'm not taking anything away from him, but I've watched a lot of those passes. He's fun to watch, especially when he does those underhanded swings into traffic. But he doesn't really take care of the football sometimes. It would be possible to have the TD record and not the INT record, right? In the past few years he's been kind of sloppy. But in 2007, the only time I saw the careless Favre was the game they lost (Bears?).

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

If you saw the throw last night in overtime, there should have been an emotion that ripped thru you body if you have been watching any amount of both college and pro football lately. Somewhere along the way it seems like all Qbs have forgotten how to throw the football long and up the sidelines. I am so sick and tired of watching a Qb drop back, wind up, and take a shot down field only to put the ball in a place where absolutely no one including the WR can catch the football...what's the point of even attempting the pass? I see more Qbs throwing the ball 5 yards out of bounds on these fly patterns where no one can make a play...I don't get that. It's almost like they are just pretending to want to throw it long. Let's take a look at what Brett Favre did right.

1. He recognized he had man on man coverage out there, 15 seasons in the NFL and he knew he had exactly what he wanted with Jennings out there. Because they have hooked up before on some long pass plays, he also knew Jennings had the speed to blow past Dre Bly.

2. He got the ball out early...rather than wait for all the seperation to take place, Favre gets that ball out early enough so that he knows he won't have to try and overthrow the football...really the ball was only about 40 yards in the air IIRC...maybe even a little less.

3. He hits the WR in stride...what a concept for a Qb these days.

4. He did not pin the WR against the sideline where even if he might make the catch he cannot advance the football because he is falling out of bounds.

Tha pass was perfect, the route was run to perfection, the timing was excellent...why are these pass plays such a rare occurence it seems these days? I was thrilled to watch a real old fashioned stand in the pocket gunslinger, deliver a ball down the field with precision timing, and the end result is the Packers advance to 6-1, the Broncos probably just flushed any hopes of post season down the drain.

What a play!!!

Great pass, great win, great player. But an emotion that ripped through my body? Ummm...no.I've seen Favre heave plenty up that were headed for nobody but a defender. That's why he has the all-time interceptions record. He's having a great season and the Packers are a legitimate Super Bowl team (since they're in the NFC). But all this waxing poetic about artists with pigskin is why I don't ever listen to broadcast announcers. Nobody has perspective anymore.

That being said, I hope Favre keeps it up. You can't have the Lions, of all teams, winning a division. That's not what the NFL is all about.

Since ignorance is bliss, you are one happy fellow. This is a very stupid comment you just made. Do you have any idea where Favre rates in Int. to TD ratio? Go look it up...........learn, and get back to us!

Here are a few more helmets for you to polish

 

[bonesman]

QBs are taught to try to put the ball where only their WR has a shot at it. This is incredibly difficult to do in practice, and at best it give the guy a catch falling out of bounds. This was indeed a great throw because it did something only the REALLY good QBs do- anticipate not where the WR will be, but where the DB should be. Its dangerous in the sense that if Bly had done something unexpected and jumped the route it could be picked off, but realistically in man coverage he is going to be looking at Jennings, not anticipating the route, because he's out on an island with no help. He CANT take a chance. So yes, its a risky play in the general sense, but realistically its a safe play because the CB is unlikely to do the unexpected. You won't see a lot of QBs attempt that throw because, one, they dont trust their armstrength and an underthrow CAN be picked off, and two, they are taught not to test DBs like that.

Fantastic post MB...I think you understood the OP well.

How do you jump a go route?

 

[Torque666]

I've seen Favre heave plenty up that were headed for nobody but a defender. That's why he has the all-time interceptions record.

um, okay... but he also has the record for most pass attempts, most pass completions, most TD passes, most wins, etc. i'm not saying that he's not interception prone, but try to put your fancy little stat into some blazingly obvious perspective.

Interception prone is a tad missleading imo. I believe he ranks 27th ALL TIME in interception %.

 

[mbuehner]

QBs are taught to try to put the ball where only their WR has a shot at it. This is incredibly difficult to do in practice, and at best it give the guy a catch falling out of bounds. This was indeed a great throw because it did something only the REALLY good QBs do- anticipate not where the WR will be, but where the DB should be. Its dangerous in the sense that if Bly had done something unexpected and jumped the route it could be picked off, but realistically in man coverage he is going to be looking at Jennings, not anticipating the route, because he's out on an island with no help. He CANT take a chance. So yes, its a risky play in the general sense, but realistically its a safe play because the CB is unlikely to do the unexpected. You won't see a lot of QBs attempt that throw because, one, they dont trust their armstrength and an underthrow CAN be picked off, and two, they are taught not to test DBs like that.

Fantastic post MB...I think you understood the OP well.

How do you jump a go route?

Same way you run one, turn your hips upfield and sprint.
how Champ does it.Better shot here at about 1:30

 

[ready5]

I've seen Favre heave plenty up that were headed for nobody but a defender. That's why he has the all-time interceptions record.

um, okay... but he also has the record for most pass attempts, most pass completions, most TD passes, most wins, etc. i'm not saying that he's not interception prone, but try to put your fancy little stat into some blazingly obvious perspective.

Interception prone is a tad missleading imo. I believe he ranks 27th ALL TIME in interception %.

uh... exactly. as your stat proves, he's interception prone. how was what i said in any way misleading?my point was that favre's production usually more than compensates for his turnovers, so what's misleading is to compare him to risk-adverse game-manager type QBs. yes, favre will do things like pass from his knees (for an interception), but he'll also do things like last night where he seals the deal on a 82-yard bomb... seems like most coaches would be willing to exchange a bump in game-blowing turnovers for an even greater bump in game-winning TDs. favre is still money in the two-minute drill and his NFL record for most wins as a starter speaks for itself.

also consider that he's "the NFL's most accurate passer among those with at least 6,000 career attempts, his 61.1 career completion percentage placing him ahead of No. 2 Marino (59.4 percent)".

http://www.packers.com/team/players/favre_brett/

here's another fluff piece that puts his career interception percentage into perspective:

http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...1962/PKRColumns

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Great pass, but God, the constant fluffing of Favre throughout the entire game by the announcers was downright embarrassing. We get it, he's a great QB. No need to polish the man's helmet incessantly.....

What does that have to do with this? Who listens to the TV announcers anyways...tune in Boomer and Marv Albert on the radio telecast, much better.

Look at me I'm too cool to listen to the TV broadcast!

Look at me, I got thrown out of the Shark Pool, but managed to get an alias so I could come back in!!!

 

[H.K.]

Marino retiring has left the QB position in Miami in absolute shambles. Until Cutler, the same was true of Denver with Elway leaving.

Miami has won as many super bowls since Marino left as they did when he was there. Elway won super bowls for Denver, yet Cutler has filled his void in 12 starts?

Come on now, you can't blame lack of Super Bowl wins on Marino. I thought everyone pretty much realized by now that football is the most "team" sport there is. Winning Super Bowls is about great teams, not necessarily great players.

My bad. I forgot the Marino apologists standard line. The Dolphins failure to win a Super Bowl was the team's fault, however, Marino's records were individual efforts that showcased how great he was as a QB.Marino was amazing, he could snap it to himself, run downfield on a pattern, pass block, then throw a perfect pass to himself. One on eleven, with no support from anyone else to get his records. The problem was when the Dolphins got to the playoffs, they would put ten other guys on the field with Marino, and those guys would lose the games.

 

[sdsjr3]

Marino was amazing, he could snap it to himself, run downfield on a pattern, pass block, then throw a perfect pass to himself. One on eleven, with no support from anyone else to get his records. The problem was when the Dolphins got to the playoffs, they would put ten other guys on the field with Marino, and those guys would lose the games.

OK, I'm not a Marino hater or anything of the sort, but that was funny...darn funny.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Marino retiring has left the QB position in Miami in absolute shambles. Until Cutler, the same was true of Denver with Elway leaving.

Miami has won as many super bowls since Marino left as they did when he was there. Elway won super bowls for Denver, yet Cutler has filled his void in 12 starts?

Come on now, you can't blame lack of Super Bowl wins on Marino. I thought everyone pretty much realized by now that football is the most "team" sport there is. Winning Super Bowls is about great teams, not necessarily great players.

My bad. I forgot the Marino apologists standard line. The Dolphins failure to win a Super Bowl was the team's fault, however, Marino's records were individual efforts that showcased how great he was as a QB.Marino was amazing, he could snap it to himself, run downfield on a pattern, pass block, then throw a perfect pass to himself. One on eleven, with no support from anyone else to get his records. The problem was when the Dolphins got to the playoffs, they would put ten other guys on the field with Marino, and those guys would lose the games.

Didn't Marino have guaranteed contracts? Seems like he got whatever he wanted. Why didn't he demand more attention to the defense or running game as a condition of re-signing with the team? I know that Manning has restructured his deals to keep the team competitive, and I think Favre has done that to keep some of his weapons as well. Maybe Marino did make that offer, but for some reason it never happened. Why didn't he just go to another team?

 

[remote controller]

If you saw the throw last night in overtime, there should have been an emotion that ripped thru you body if you have been watching any amount of both college and pro football lately. Somewhere along the way it seems like all Qbs have forgotten how to throw the football long and up the sidelines. I am so sick and tired of watching a Qb drop back, wind up, and take a shot down field only to put the ball in a place where absolutely no one including the WR can catch the football...what's the point of even attempting the pass? I see more Qbs throwing the ball 5 yards out of bounds on these fly patterns where no one can make a play...I don't get that. It's almost like they are just pretending to want to throw it long. Let's take a look at what Brett Favre did right.

1. He recognized he had man on man coverage out there, 15 seasons in the NFL and he knew he had exactly what he wanted with Jennings out there. Because they have hooked up before on some long pass plays, he also knew Jennings had the speed to blow past Dre Bly.

2. He got the ball out early...rather than wait for all the seperation to take place, Favre gets that ball out early enough so that he knows he won't have to try and overthrow the football...really the ball was only about 40 yards in the air IIRC...maybe even a little less.

3. He hits the WR in stride...what a concept for a Qb these days.

4. He did not pin the WR against the sideline where even if he might make the catch he cannot advance the football because he is falling out of bounds.

Tha pass was perfect, the route was run to perfection, the timing was excellent...why are these pass plays such a rare occurence it seems these days? I was thrilled to watch a real old fashioned stand in the pocket gunslinger, deliver a ball down the field with precision timing, and the end result is the Packers advance to 6-1, the Broncos probably just flushed any hopes of post season down the drain.

What a play!!!

Great pass, great win, great player. But an emotion that ripped through my body? Ummm...no.I've seen Favre heave plenty up that were headed for nobody but a defender. That's why he has the all-time interceptions record. He's having a great season and the Packers are a legitimate Super Bowl team (since they're in the NFC). But all this waxing poetic about artists with pigskin is why I don't ever listen to broadcast announcers. Nobody has perspective anymore.

That being said, I hope Favre keeps it up. You can't have the Lions, of all teams, winning a division. That's not what the NFL is all about.

Since ignorance is bliss, you are one happy fellow. This is a very stupid comment you just made. Do you have any idea where Favre rates in Int. to TD ratio? Go look it up...........learn, and get back to us!

Here are a few more helmets for you to polish

Wow...........you give up easy. Guess you have nothing to bring!........and likely looked up Favre's Int./TD ratio and realize you did look pretty stupid. Run along now!

 

[maxwell1295]

My bad. I forgot the Marino apologists standard line. The Dolphins failure to win a Super Bowl was the team's fault, however, Marino's records were individual efforts that showcased how great he was as a QB.

Marino was amazing, he could snap it to himself, run downfield on a pattern, pass block, then throw a perfect pass to himself. One on eleven, with no support from anyone else to get his records. The problem was when the Dolphins got to the playoffs, they would put ten other guys on the field with Marino, and those guys would lose the games.