Brian Brohm (1 Viewer)

[TBIST]

I can't choose between Ryan and Brohm... I don't understand how last year Brohm could have been number one overall or atleast top 5 and then has a pretty great season for a new coach and system and is now a late first to second rounder? He's got good size, throws a pretty ball, doesn't make a lot of mistakes, and to top it off he's more mobile than anyone thought (4.61 40). Ryan has the stronger arm and did play the season on a broken foot, but I have a hard time picking him over Brohm. If I'm the Baltimore Ravens, there is no way I pass on this guy. Is there any way he slips past the Bears at 14?

 

[Interseptopus]

People are talking about him slipping to GB at 30... so it's very possible he's underrated going into the draft.

I think he's the best QB in the draft hands down

 

[FavreCo]

Since they are so close as far as prospects, I'd take the one that goes to Atlanta because they play in a dome. Ditto Detroit or Minn. Whoever goes to Chi. plays in crappy weather too much. Balt. not much better come December and playoff time.

 

[Couch Potato]

You don't really want my opinion do you? Poor dummy...

To me, especially with QBs, you can take all the top prospects each year and draw them randomly out of a hat and have as good a shot at predicting who will end up the best of the bunch in the pros.

Ryan, Brohm, Henne, Flacco -- take your choice. Any could be a future star, any could be a bust. I just wouldn't sweat the order folks are listing them in right now.

Take the one you like and don't worry about needing to be convinced.

 

[Patoons]

Ryan = Best QB in draft.

Watched this kid quite frequently - he's got the arm strength and intelligence to be an NFL QB. He's had crap as WR weapons. He does have a high number of int's but he frequently tried to just carry the team on his shoulders.

 

[MAC_32]

-Brohm's INT's increased when Petrino and his system (temporarily) went to the NFL

-He has problems making the "harder" throws, deep outs, flags, etc.

-Doesn't read defenses well

-Seems to panic if his #1 and #2 options are not open

-Mobile, but doesn't have good footwork

I'd have an easier time dropping him out of my top 5 rookie QB's if this class weren't so weak.

 

[Marc Levin]

Ryan = Best QB in draft.Watched this kid quite frequently - he's got the arm strength and intelligence to be an NFL QB. He's had crap as WR weapons. He does have a high number of int's but he frequently tried to just carry the team on his shoulders.

I watched every game he played this past year and a few before that. He may have intelligence, but he left a lot of poor decisions on the playing field. Kid stinks of bust to me - or at least not worth a top-10 pick.For my Dolphins, I am OK if they wait until 2009 to draft a QB.

 

[Andy Herron]

Watch out for Joe Flacco.

That's all I'm sayin'.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I came out of the Brohm closet yesterday. It will depend a bit on situation, but I think Brohm will have the better career. This QB class feel like the Carr Harrington class to me though. So pulling the Garrard out of the mix is probably the best way to go.

 

[FUBAR]

I came out of the Brohm closet yesterday. It will depend a bit on situation, but I think Brohm will have the better career. This QB class feel like the Carr Harrington class to me though. So pulling the Garrard out of the mix is probably the best way to go.

Hemi Henne

 

[Balco]

Brohm is the superior prospect to Ryan. He is a great qb, and it boggles my mind how he went from the # 1 prospect before the season, to # 2. It's not like he had a bad year. And I watched 4 of his games last season, the guy is a great qb.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I like Brohm.. he should fall to the 2nd in many rookie drafts.

 

[Balco]

And I also have the feeling that Brohm will go in the mid 1st. The guy still had a great year, and I am sure some gms are praying he slips out of the top ten.

 

[Couch Potato]

I came out of the Brohm closet yesterday.

I like that. Get any McLovin while you were in there? Or Choice Booty maybe?

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Ryan = Best QB in draft.Watched this kid quite frequently - he's got the arm strength and intelligence to be an NFL QB. He's had crap as WR weapons. He does have a high number of int's but he frequently tried to just carry the team on his shoulders.

I watched every game he played this past year and a few before that. He may have intelligence, but he left a lot of poor decisions on the playing field. Kid stinks of bust to me - or at least not worth a top-10 pick.For my Dolphins, I am OK if they wait until 2009 to draft a QB.

We agreed twice today. I'm getting smarter. The best thing I can say about Brian Brohm is nothing, I have nothing good to say about Him. I posted on this once before. Poor Arm, system QB. For starters.

 

[jurb26]

I came out of the Brohm closet yesterday. It will depend a bit on situation, but I think Brohm will have the better career. This QB class feel like the Carr Harrington class to me though. So pulling the Garrard out of the mix is probably the best way to go.

Hemi Henne

Henne has been my favorite in this class all along.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I came out of the Brohm closet yesterday.

I like that. Get any McLovin while you were in there? Or Choice Booty maybe?

Nah, that's not my Forte.

 

[Couch Potato]

See what I mean? Ryan, Brohm, Henne, Flacco... everyone likes somebody different. Throw a dart. You could end up with a Joey Harrington or a Carson Palmer, and nobody on this board really knows even if they think they do.

 

[Couch Potato]

I came out of the Brohm closet yesterday.

I like that. Get any McLovin while you were in there? Or Choice Booty maybe?

Nah, that's not my Forte.

Touche'. Safer to Flacco the Johnson anyway.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I came out of the Brohm closet yesterday. It will depend a bit on situation, but I think Brohm will have the better career. This QB class feel like the Carr Harrington class to me though. So pulling the Garrard out of the mix is probably the best way to go.

Hemi Henne

Henne has been my favorite in this class all along.

I'm not far from agreeing with you both. There sure isn't much separating them, imo.

 

[MAC_32]

...it boggles my mind how he went from the # 1 prospect before the season, to # 2...

Been reading some things indicating that many teams have Henne #2 on their board, not Brohm. Good call.

 

[cha-ching]

Watch out for Joe Flacco.That's all I'm sayin'.

I am voting for Flacco as the best QB in this class!

 

[FUBAR]

I came out of the Brohm closet yesterday.

I like that. Get any McLovin while you were in there? Or Choice Booty maybe?

Nah, that's not my Forte.

Touche'. Safer to Flacco the Johnson anyway.

These jokes are Long winded. I'm Otah here.

 

[Team Legacy]

Ryan = Best QB in draft.Watched this kid quite frequently - he's got the arm strength and intelligence to be an NFL QB. He's had crap as WR weapons. He does have a high number of int's but he frequently tried to just carry the team on his shoulders.

I watched every game he played this past year and a few before that. He may have intelligence, but he left a lot of poor decisions on the playing field. Kid stinks of bust to me - or at least not worth a top-10 pick.For my Dolphins, I am OK if they wait until 2009 to draft a QB.

Agreed he's not worth a top 10 pick, but I think he's better than many of the so called NFL starters. Here's the list he's hands down better than:Chris Redman - Ask any Cardinal fan... Brohm is better. Redman's best season at U of L was 317 of 489 passes for 3,647 yards with 29 touchdowns and 13 interceptionsBrohm in a BAD season with new coaching fared - 308-473 4024 30 tds and 12 ints. I don't need stats to tell you he's better, I've watched every game, every season. Now it might have taken Redman a while, but he's actually considered a decent starter in the NFL these days. Brohm will at least exceed this and everyone below on this list with fair certainty. Alex Smith - Hasn't shown me anything. I smell a Hill takeover.Rex Grossman - Please don't make me sit through another Rex season.Brody Croyle - Hasn't shown me he has the ability to read a defense. Jury is still out.Kyle Boller - I'll take the unknown vs the known. everytime. Lemon/Beck - Seriously? One of these guys is a starting QB in the NFL?Tarvaris Jackson - Um... no. I doubt he finishes the season as the starter. Jason Campbell - I know many are sold, but I'm still not sure about this guy. I think he makes it, but this season will tell me all I need to know.Question Levin: Why are you watching every Cardinal game?

 

[Team Legacy]

I came out of the Brohm closet yesterday. It will depend a bit on situation, but I think Brohm will have the better career. This QB class feel like the Carr Harrington class to me though. So pulling the Garrard out of the mix is probably the best way to go.

Hemi Henne

Henne has been my favorite in this class all along.

Henne? Are you guys serious? I'd love an explanation why that team didn't win more games. What more does a QB need around him?

 

[CravenM]

As a Falcons fan, I hope they don't take a chance on QB with the 3rd pick - they need OLineman big time. It seems like they lost about 14 to injuries last year hyperbole.

Then they have 3 2nd round picks and should consider a QB at that point. Somebody will certainly have taken Brohm by then and they already have another Louisville QB. I'd like to see them take Erik Ainge in the 3rd - I think he looked great last year at Tennessee

 

[ditka85]

Ryan = Best QB in draft.Watched this kid quite frequently - he's got the arm strength and intelligence to be an NFL QB. He's had crap as WR weapons. He does have a high number of int's but he frequently tried to just carry the team on his shoulders.

I watched every game he played this past year and a few before that. He may have intelligence, but he left a lot of poor decisions on the playing field. Kid stinks of bust to me - or at least not worth a top-10 pick.For my Dolphins, I am OK if they wait until 2009 to draft a QB.

We agreed twice today. I'm getting smarter. The best thing I can say about Brian Brohm is nothing, I have nothing good to say about Him. I posted on this once before. Poor Arm, system QB. For starters.

What do you mean by "poor arm"? His arm strength is not a problem. It's not a cannon, but it's more than adequate.

 

[JKL]

I can't choose between Ryan and Brohm... I don't understand how last year Brohm could have been number one overall or atleast top 5 and then has a pretty great season for a new coach and system and is now a late first to second rounder? He's got good size, throws a pretty ball, doesn't make a lot of mistakes, and to top it off he's more mobile than anyone thought (4.61 40). Ryan has the stronger arm and did play the season on a broken foot, but I have a hard time picking him over Brohm. If I'm the Baltimore Ravens, there is no way I pass on this guy. Is there any way he slips past the Bears at 14?

I looked at the question of how likely it is that Ryan will be better than Brohm, from a historical perspective. For those who don't want to read the whole thing, here were my conclusions in comparing quarterbacks taken in the early part of the first round versus those selected soon thereafter:

Turning back to the original title, I wouldn’t have much confidence that Matt Ryan is in line to be a substantially better pro than Brian Brohm. He may be, he may not be. I’m not predicting that Matt Ryan will be a bust, and I have nothing against him. What I do know is that, if he is not the first overall selection, history does not favor him strongly over the guys taken soon thereafter. I would say that it is maybe slightly better than 50% in favor of Ryan over Brohm. So, if you want to express an opinion that Brohm should be drafted first, you would be in a small minority at this point. However, the reality is teams have not been all that good at distinguishing between early, non-first overall quarterbacks, and late first, early second quarterbacks. Unless all this overload of information and paralysis by analysis actually allows people to make better decisions at such a fine level, I don’t have much confidence it will change.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Ryan = Best QB in draft.Watched this kid quite frequently - he's got the arm strength and intelligence to be an NFL QB. He's had crap as WR weapons. He does have a high number of int's but he frequently tried to just carry the team on his shoulders.

I watched every game he played this past year and a few before that. He may have intelligence, but he left a lot of poor decisions on the playing field. Kid stinks of bust to me - or at least not worth a top-10 pick.For my Dolphins, I am OK if they wait until 2009 to draft a QB.

We agreed twice today. I'm getting smarter. The best thing I can say about Brian Brohm is nothing, I have nothing good to say about Him. I posted on this once before. Poor Arm, system QB. For starters.

What do you mean by "poor arm"? His arm strength is not a problem. It's not a cannon, but it's more than adequate.

Ok, but I don't agree. Would you draft Him, in your rook draft? He's undraftable to me. Were do you have Him ranked in this class? 12th? Top 20?

 

[Marc Levin]

Ryan = Best QB in draft..

I watched every game he played this past year and a few before that. .

Question Levin: Why are you watching every Cardinal game?

B.C. games.

Alex Smith - Hasn't shown me anything. I smell a Hill takeover.

Rex Grossman - Please don't make me sit through another Rex season.

Brody Croyle - Hasn't shown me he has the ability to read a defense. Jury is still out.

Kyle Boller - I'll take the unknown vs the known. everytime.

Lemon/Beck - Seriously? One of these guys is a starting QB in the NFL?

Tarvaris Jackson - Um... no. I doubt he finishes the season as the starter.

Jason Campbell - I know many are sold, but I'm still not sure about this guy. I think he makes it, but this season will tell me all I need to know.

I think we can agree to disagree on Campbell, but I will agree with the rest of the list for the sake of argument. Not sure I would call this list "many." Esp. when, outside of Grossman and Campbell, none of these teams are "sold" on the guy listed as their starter Half - or all - of them could be their team's clipboard holder come opening day. FWIW, while we are raising questions about unproven talent like Beck, why not throw Aaron Rodgers into this mix? Esp. since it is likely that GB would seriously consider Brohm for their 1st round pick? Also, Lemon is now in Jax and it is just Beck and Josh McCown in Miami. I won't disagree with the idea that either Ryan or Brohm *might be* better than what Miami currently has, just that this year is not the year to pursue a QB at the top of the draft. Finally, I have heard that Beck has devoted himself to the game. I, for one, am curious to see what the guy has.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Ryan = Best QB in draft.

Watched this kid quite frequently - he's got the arm strength and intelligence to be an NFL QB. He's had crap as WR weapons. He does have a high number of int's but he frequently tried to just carry the team on his shoulders.

I watched every game he played this past year and a few before that. He may have intelligence, but he left a lot of poor decisions on the playing field. Kid stinks of bust to me - or at least not worth a top-10 pick.For my Dolphins, I am OK if they wait until 2009 to draft a QB.

Agreed he's not worth a top 10 pick, but I think he's better than many of the so called NFL starters. Here's the list he's hands down better than:Chris Redman - Ask any Cardinal fan... Brohm is better. Redman's best season at U of L was 317 of 489 passes for 3,647 yards with 29 touchdowns and 13 interceptions

Brohm in a BAD season with new coaching fared - 308-473 4024 30 tds and 12 ints. I don't need stats to tell you he's better, I've watched every game, every season. Now it might have taken Redman a while, but he's actually considered a decent starter in the NFL these days. Brohm will at least exceed this and everyone below on this list with fair certainty.

Alex Smith - Hasn't shown me anything. I smell a Hill takeover.

Rex Grossman - Please don't make me sit through another Rex season.

Brody Croyle - Hasn't shown me he has the ability to read a defense. Jury is still out.

Kyle Boller - I'll take the unknown vs the known. everytime.

Lemon/Beck - Seriously? One of these guys is a starting QB in the NFL?

Tarvaris Jackson - Um... no. I doubt he finishes the season as the starter.

Jason Campbell - I know many are sold, but I'm still not sure about this guy. I think he makes it, but this season will tell me all I need to know.

Question Levin: Why are you watching every Cardinal game?

I'll take that bet

 

[KellysHeroes]

Ryan = Best QB in draft..

I watched every game he played this past year and a few before that. .

Question Levin: Why are you watching every Cardinal game?

B.C. games.

Alex Smith - Hasn't shown me anything. I smell a Hill takeover.

Rex Grossman - Please don't make me sit through another Rex season.

Brody Croyle - Hasn't shown me he has the ability to read a defense. Jury is still out.

Kyle Boller - I'll take the unknown vs the known. everytime.

Lemon/Beck - Seriously? One of these guys is a starting QB in the NFL?

Tarvaris Jackson - Um... no. I doubt he finishes the season as the starter.

Jason Campbell - I know many are sold, but I'm still not sure about this guy. I think he makes it, but this season will tell me all I need to know.

I think we can agree to disagree on Campbell, but I will agree with the rest of the list for the sake of argument. Not sure I would call this list "many." Esp. when, outside of Grossman and Campbell, none of these teams are "sold" on the guy listed as their starter Half - or all - of them could be their team's clipboard holder come opening day. FWIW, while we are raising questions about unproven talent like Beck, why not throw Aaron Rodgers into this mix? Esp. since it is likely that GB would seriously consider Brohm for their 1st round pick? Also, Lemon is now in Jax and it is just Beck and Josh McCown in Miami. I won't disagree with the idea that either Ryan or Brohm *might be* better than what Miami currently has, just that this year is not the year to pursue a QB at the top of the draft. Finally, I have heard that Beck has devoted himself to the game. I, for one, am curious to see what the guy has.

I like McCown alot... too bad hes never been given a real chance

 

[*****]

I came out of the Brohm closet yesterday. It will depend a bit on situation, but I think Brohm will have the better career. This QB class feel like the Carr Harrington class to me though. So pulling the Garrard out of the mix is probably the best way to go.

Hemi Henne

Henne has been my favorite in this class all along.

Henne? Are you guys serious? I'd love an explanation why that team didn't win more games. What more does a QB need around him?

The defense and special teams stank up the joint during the first several games of the season and Henne played injured for most of the season. He is a tough, smart, confident and hard-working QB. The only knock on his college career was never beating OSU and a poor bowl record--but I don't think he carries that burden by himself.He finished with UM's records for completions, attempts, passing yards and TDs. His 87 TD totals rank him second all time in the Big Ten and compare favorably to Brohms 71 TDs (though Brohm did not start his freshman year and had 30 of his 71 during his senior year).In the end, Henne actually reminds me a lot of fellow Big Ten alum Drew Brees. I hope the Dolphins take him in Round 2 but I think he could be gone or the phins decide to give Beck another year before bringing in competiton.

 

[Marc Levin]

I like McCown alot... too bad hes never been given a real chance

He will this year - care to expand a bit? I would like some perspective on the 'phins' potential starting QB that go beyond the numbers.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I'm not big on Henne. He looked great as a freshman, but I never noticed any signifcant improvement during his career at Michigan. Also, Henne performs worse facing pressure than Brohm, imo.

Dixon, Flacco, and Ainge are actually my favorite qb's in this class with regards to value.

 

[MAC_32]

I came out of the Brohm closet yesterday. It will depend a bit on situation, but I think Brohm will have the better career. This QB class feel like the Carr Harrington class to me though. So pulling the Garrard out of the mix is probably the best way to go.

Hemi Henne

Henne has been my favorite in this class all along.

Henne? Are you guys serious? I'd love an explanation why that team didn't win more games. What more does a QB need around him?

Well, he needs a functioning shoulder. It was injured during week 2 against Oregon and was never any better than about 85% the rest of the season. When he finally had time to let it heal he blew up against Florida in the Bowl game and was hands down the best QB at the Senior Bowl.

 

[TBIST]

Nobody has convinced me yet... You all fail.