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[The Jerk]

Granted I think I'm making some headway with the Steelers fans. They seem to know their football when they aren't talking about Browns. Although they gave up on Jacobs too easy at QB, they'll realize in a year or 2 they have 1 of the better back-ups in the league. Not sure where I called the Steelers guys dumb there. It all comes down to selective listening I guess. If you read any of my posts on the on the Browns OL or DL, you'll see that depth is our biggest problem and depth overall on Defense other than LB is a huge problem.

I'll restate me reasons yet again why KWII will be top 5...

1) The offense will be designed to get him the football, the Browns are counting on mismatches on KW that will arise from formation shifts and motions.

2) Young QB's check down to RB's and TE's alot.

3) KWII spent the offseason working with Frye.

4) He has the most athletic ability of any TE I've seen in my life.

I really don't think that 800 yards and 5 TDs will be a huge challenge with this guy.

"dumb" is just a figure of speech -- just mocking myself and other Steeler fans -- self-depracating humor...Sorry that I don't read every post of yours exhaustively. From what I read in a few moments time, I didn't see anything but roses. Most interesting comment is the "offense designed to get him the ball" line. Other than that, nothing stands out. I still don't see KW as Top 5 TE, but I do think he's got a better chance at that than several guys listed ahead of him by ADP.

Thanks, Chris.

 

[chris1969]

Thats ok, you'll help keep his ADP down for me and it's all good.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I know that I've been as guilty as anyone, but it really is pretty crappy that 75% of threads about either the Steelers or the Browns come down to BGP-talk.

I have a simple solution: Give him his own forum.

I have a real simple solution - just start banning the tools that keep trying to bait everyone by launching personal attacks.Its really obvious that it isn't me because the posters who keep doing it also attack a lot of other posters as well. No one really wants to read that crap. I might be the biggest lightning rod for these tools because I won't let them walk all over me.

I mean my god, I had one guy "call me out" to go visit another thread where someone was apparently launching personal attacks on me. And then Capella sweeps in with a good posting. Its freaking priceless - its like 6th graders. These people are tools. Get them out of here

That was *me*, genius. I was inviting you back to the thread that YOU STARTED, after the exact opposite of what you proposed had just happened. You call it "getting called out by tools" and having "personal attacks lauched" on you. I call it "If you're going to spew a bunch of idiotic bullshiat on this board, expect to get called to the carpet when you're 100% wrong." You're a bright guy, supposedly. I'm sure you can see the difference.

 

[Doug B]

I'm reading the first page and picking up some bad vibes about Faine. Faine stunk THAT bad?

Dude's our starter at C ... hopefully he's not fundamentally deficient, and experience will make him a legit NFL center.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I'm reading the first page and picking up some bad vibes about Faine. Faine stunk THAT bad?Dude's our starter at C ... hopefully he's not fundamentally deficient, and experience will make him a legit NFL center.

Faine was very highly regarded coming out of Notre Dame in '03 -- Good run blocker who can drive DL-men of the LOS, as well as being a good anchor in pass blocking...He had two season ending injuries in his first two yearsin the league with the Browns....He missed another 2 games in '05. I think if he can stay healthy he should be a decent center for the Saints. Remains to be seen.

 

[Browns Rule!]

I'm reading the first page and picking up some bad vibes about Faine. Faine stunk THAT bad?Dude's our starter at C ... hopefully he's not fundamentally deficient, and experience will make him a legit NFL center.

Here is my take on Faine:Negatives: He is very undersized. He had a quote a year or two ago that pretty much told his feeling on bulking up. He believe in no extra weight other than muscle weight. He has almost 0% body fat, and eats only the healthiest foods. It seems to really effect him when he plays a big NT. Always seems to get injured. Positives: He never stops. He will keep on driving someone into the ground until the whistle blows. He has good speed and can get down field to block. All in all, I loved Faine. I think he is decent, not great yet, but has the potential to be much better than he was in Cleveland.

 

[chris1969]

He could be something later, but his gotta put on some bulk. He gets manhandled by big guys in pass blocking.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I know that I've been as guilty as anyone, but it really is pretty crappy that 75% of threads about either the Steelers or the Browns come down to BGP-talk. I have a simple solution: Give him his own forum.

I have a real simple solution - just start banning the tools that keep trying to bait everyone by launching personal attacks.Its really obvious that it isn't me because the posters who keep doing it also attack a lot of other posters as well. No one really wants to read that crap. I might be the biggest lightning rod for these tools because I won't let them walk all over me.I mean my god, I had one guy "call me out" to go visit another thread where someone was apparently launching personal attacks on me. And then Capella sweeps in with a good posting. Its freaking priceless - its like 6th graders. These people are tools. Get them out of here.

Man is he gonna be PISSED you're talkin' #### behind his back.

 

[gbill2004]

Some notes from the Browns game: http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/footba...ns/15373846.htm

Winslow, Edwards together on field before expected

By Terry Pluto

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. - Scribbles in my notebook while watching the Browns beat the Buffalo Bills 20-17 on Saturday night...

• For Browns fans, the best news from Saturday's preseason game in Buffalo was Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow on the field at the same time -- and the Browns still have two weeks until the regular season begins. Not even the Browns would dare to have predicted having Edwards and Winslow healthy enough to play so soon. Both are coming off major knee surgeries.

• Winslow caught one pass for 8 yards. I'm hoping the Browns are holding back the plays for their talented tight end until the regular season, because he's not been used much so far.

• Early projections had Edwards not ready until the end of September. But he was well enough Saturday to catch his first pass of the preseason, a gritty grab over the middle between two defenders. Edwards was blasted after the catch, but hung on as he was tackled on the 2-yard-line for the first down.

• That was the only catch of the game for Edwards, who was on the field for 15 plays. He delivered a couple of decisive blocks, and the impressive part was that he seemed to relish the physical contact -- and showed no signs of any physical problems. At 6-foot-3 and 212 pounds with long arms, Edwards makes for a very inviting target.

• The best Browns player on this night was Kamerion Wimbley, who had a sack and forced a fumble. He had several other rushes where he forced the quarterback to throw early. He chased runners all over the field. This year's first-round pick is quickly making the adjustment from defensive end in college to outside linebacker. He appears to be the type of pass rusher the Browns have needed for years.

• The second-best player was Jerome Harrison, the fifth-rounder from Washington State who sprinted for 70 yards in nine carries. In the preseason, he has 123 yards in 16 carries, winning the No. 2 running back spot behind Reuben Droughns. Harrison also has caught 10 passes for 77 yards in the three games. He will be used in passing situations, not only because he's an effective receiver but he's also very good on draw plays.

• I know that Sean Jones is starting over Brodney Pool at safety right now, but I like Pool better -- especially considering how Pool comes up to the line and tackles. Pool led the team with five tackles Saturday.

• The Browns scored in the first quarter when quarterback Charlie Frye faked to a running back, then found tight end Steve Heiden wide open for a 2-yard touchdown. The tight end is almost always open in those short-yardage situations, yet few offensive coordinators call that play. Let's hope Maurice Carthon remembers it come the regular season.

• On his first series, Frye was confident and strong. He shrugged off one tackler, then fired a perfect strike down the middle to Dennis Northcutt for 22 yards. But I don't think Northcutt will make much of an impact on offense this season. I do hope the Browns try him on some reverses.

• I believe if the Browns work with Joshua Cribbs, he can become a more dynamic offensive weapon than Northcutt. Cribbs caught a nice pass from Derek Anderson and burst through the defense for a 28-yard touchdown. Cribbs looks good on returns. The Kent State product is one of the real pure athletes on the team, and let's see if the Browns can use him more in the regular season. Give General Manager Phil Savage credit for signing Cribbs as an undrafted free agent.

• Overall, the offense was a series of stutter steps after the terrific opening touchdown drive when the Browns covered 68 yards in 11 plays, and Frye was 6-of-6 passing to six different receivers. After that, the offensive line opened few holes and had some trouble protecting Frye. Left tackle Kevin Shaffer had a hard time with Bills end Aaron Shobel.

• Willie McGinest played for the first time in the preseason. It really was a non-issue, because the veteran has been practicing. He'll be ready when it counts.

• Seventh-rounder Justin Hamilton will probably make the team. He had a superb interception, and has been strong on special teams. Chaun Thompson played a lot at inside linebacker over second-rounder D'Qwell Jackson, but Jackson just seems more comfortable at that spot.

 

[Ace08]

Miami homer here....just wanted to chime in about KW II.

I've been watching this kid since his freshman year at the "U". Keep in mind we've had some excellent TE's down here over the years and even currently (Greg Olsen will eventually be a first round pick).....but Kellen Winslow was the most talented of any of them. Yes.....more physically gifted than Shockey. He's a Wide Receiver who just happens to be big enough to play Tight End. He runs terrific routes and has great hands. Extremely Athletic and dangerous after the catch.

What I can't comment about is how far along he is healthwise....but I will say this. Kellen Winslow at 90% is more talented than every tight end in the NFL outside of Antonio Gates. Alot of you envision this kid as a "punk" or a "cancer"....but he was absolutely adored by his teammates and coaches at the "U"...and Larry Coker, for as bad a coach as I think he is, doesn't put up with crap from players.....always speaks glowingly of Kellen Winslow. LC stated right after he was drafted by the Browns that he wished he had "11 Kellen Winslows" on his team every year.

Moral of the story.....if he stays healthy and is close to what he was....which of course is a big "if"....he will set the NFL on fire. I'm talking Pro-Bowl good.....yes he's that good. Take a picture of this thread, pin it to the top of the board or whatever....but I honestly think Kellen Winslow will be the #2 Tight End behind Gates this year if things break his way.

 

[chris1969]

I'm glad to see that someone else sees it.

 

[Bri]

I'm reading the first page and picking up some bad vibes about Faine. Faine stunk THAT bad?Dude's our starter at C ... hopefully he's not fundamentally deficient, and experience will make him a legit NFL center.

Pretty sure I read they made a deal for another C last week.

 

[Todem]

If KWII stays healthy he is an elite talent. Plain and simple.

I too watched his whole career in Miami and he was dominant. He has had a very rough start to his career but it looks like he will finally live up to his potential. Along with Braylon Edwards and Jerome Harrison the Browns have something special brewing and in the next few years (if Frye pans out) that team could have a few Stud fantasy players at RB, WR, and TE.

 

[Irish]

Ron Dayne and Ryan Leaf were dominant in college too.

 

[Ace08]

Ron Dayne and Ryan Leaf were dominant in college too.

The difference is the Miami pedigree/track record. Look around the league....heck....look around your next FANTASY DRAFT...and see how many QUALITY Miami players are not just playing and on rosters...but doing EXTREMELY well at the next level. It's not an accident.....that program prepares players for the NFL.

 

[redman]

I heard on 850 this morning that the Browns traded a conditional 07 draft pick to the Bears for some Center

Lennie Friedman, don't know much about him.

Friedman's the o-line version of a utility infielder. He can play either C or either of the Guard spots, but he does not excel at either position and you don't want him starting for you. The 'Skins had him for two seasons IIRC a few years back. He's diabetic too, which makes for an interesting human interest story that the Browns will undboutedly churn out soon for their website. He was added for veteran depth.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Add about 8 or 9 Steelers fans that hate a guy named BGP that will trash every thread a Browns fan starts and it gets you really ticked off. Not for the fact that they don't agree with me on the Browns, but the fact that I'm relying on them for the reports for the other teams. I don't know how many of these numbnuts to believe on anything other than the guys that get paid to be here. Granted I think I'm making some headway with the Steelers fans. They seem to know their football when they aren't talking about Browns.

A few clarifications - BGP usually deserves all the crap they give him, and it often results in some of the most entertaining threads on the board.

A lot of them should be banned, plain and simple.See, here's the thing. Its good to air a lot of unconventional views on a forum. That enriches a forum and makes it special. What's bad is having a bunch of tools running rampant on a forum, deciding they don't like unconventional views, and trying to intimidate them. Those tools doing that should be banned from the society, I don't care how much football they know.

 

[schaef2k]

I'm reading the first page and picking up some bad vibes about Faine. Faine stunk THAT bad?Dude's our starter at C ... hopefully he's not fundamentally deficient, and experience will make him a legit NFL center.

Pretty sure I read they made a deal for another C last week.

Hank Fraley from Philly. Great move by the Browns here. This should solidify the o line but they're going to need a few games to get on the same page.I also like that if the Browns like Fraley at center, next year they could move Bentley to guard and Keep Fraley in the middle.Schaffer, Bentley, Freley Coleman and Tucker is a pretty good starting unit.

 

[redman]

Add about 8 or 9 Steelers fans that hate a guy named BGP that will trash every thread a Browns fan starts and it gets you really ticked off. Not for the fact that they don't agree with me on the Browns, but the fact that I'm relying on them for the reports for the other teams. I don't know how many of these numbnuts to believe on anything other than the guys that get paid to be here. Granted I think I'm making some headway with the Steelers fans. They seem to know their football when they aren't talking about Browns.

A few clarifications - BGP usually deserves all the crap they give him, and it often results in some of the most entertaining threads on the board.

A lot of them should be banned, plain and simple.See, here's the thing. Its good to air a lot of unconventional views on a forum. That enriches a forum and makes it special. What's bad is having a bunch of tools running rampant on a forum, deciding they don't like unconventional views, and trying to intimidate them. Those tools doing that should be banned from the society, I don't care how much football they know.

All we have to do is insinuate that Favre is, well, fla\/\/ed, and we've got Fla\/\/ed jumping down our throats! It's about the easiest fishing that there is on this board!

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Add about 8 or 9 Steelers fans that hate a guy named BGP that will trash every thread a Browns fan starts and it gets you really ticked off. Not for the fact that they don't agree with me on the Browns, but the fact that I'm relying on them for the reports for the other teams. I don't know how many of these numbnuts to believe on anything other than the guys that get paid to be here. Granted I think I'm making some headway with the Steelers fans. They seem to know their football when they aren't talking about Browns.

A few clarifications - BGP usually deserves all the crap they give him, and it often results in some of the most entertaining threads on the board.

A lot of them should be banned, plain and simple.See, here's the thing. Its good to air a lot of unconventional views on a forum. That enriches a forum and makes it special. What's bad is having a bunch of tools running rampant on a forum, deciding they don't like unconventional views, and trying to intimidate them. Those tools doing that should be banned from the society, I don't care how much football they know.

All we have to do is insinuate that Favre is, well, fla\/\/ed, and we've got Fla\/\/ed jumping down our throats! It's about the easiest fishing that there is on this board!

as is you stalking me By the way.....this isn't a thread about Favre.

 

[redman]

Add about 8 or 9 Steelers fans that hate a guy named BGP that will trash every thread a Browns fan starts and it gets you really ticked off. Not for the fact that they don't agree with me on the Browns, but the fact that I'm relying on them for the reports for the other teams. I don't know how many of these numbnuts to believe on anything other than the guys that get paid to be here. Granted I think I'm making some headway with the Steelers fans. They seem to know their football when they aren't talking about Browns.

A few clarifications - BGP usually deserves all the crap they give him, and it often results in some of the most entertaining threads on the board.

A lot of them should be banned, plain and simple.See, here's the thing. Its good to air a lot of unconventional views on a forum. That enriches a forum and makes it special. What's bad is having a bunch of tools running rampant on a forum, deciding they don't like unconventional views, and trying to intimidate them. Those tools doing that should be banned from the society, I don't care how much football they know.

All we have to do is insinuate that Favre is, well, fla\/\/ed, and we've got Fla\/\/ed jumping down our throats! It's about the easiest fishing that there is on this board!

as is you stalking me By the way.....this isn't a thread about Favre.

Right on time! You're so and you don't even know it!I don't stalk but I definitely slow down to look.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Add about 8 or 9 Steelers fans that hate a guy named BGP that will trash every thread a Browns fan starts and it gets you really ticked off. Not for the fact that they don't agree with me on the Browns, but the fact that I'm relying on them for the reports for the other teams. I don't know how many of these numbnuts to believe on anything other than the guys that get paid to be here. Granted I think I'm making some headway with the Steelers fans. They seem to know their football when they aren't talking about Browns.

A few clarifications - BGP usually deserves all the crap they give him, and it often results in some of the most entertaining threads on the board.

A lot of them should be banned, plain and simple.See, here's the thing. Its good to air a lot of unconventional views on a forum. That enriches a forum and makes it special. What's bad is having a bunch of tools running rampant on a forum, deciding they don't like unconventional views, and trying to intimidate them. Those tools doing that should be banned from the society, I don't care how much football they know.

All we have to do is insinuate that Favre is, well, fla\/\/ed, and we've got Fla\/\/ed jumping down our throats! It's about the easiest fishing that there is on this board!

as is you stalking me By the way.....this isn't a thread about Favre.

Right on time! You're so and you don't even know it!I don't stalk but I definitely slow down to look.

 

[The Man With No Name]

No link- I read somewhere about a month ago that the Browns won't allow Frye to audible. He has to either run the play called or call time out. Did anyone else read this or know about it? How can that be good for the offense?

 

[schaef2k]

No link- I read somewhere about a month ago that the Browns won't allow Frye to audible. He has to either run the play called or call time out. Did anyone else read this or know about it? How can that be good for the offense?

I believe that was last year. I've watched him aidible already in preseason.

 

[Irish]

No link- I read somewhere about a month ago that the Browns won't allow Frye to audible. He has to either run the play called or call time out. Did anyone else read this or know about it? How can that be good for the offense?

I believe that was last year. I've watched him aidible already in preseason.

Kosar has been critical of Frye during the preseason for not audibling out of a play that the defense is stacked to stop. I wouldn't call the dink and dunk offense of the Browns new or exciting.

 

[schaef2k]

Kosar has been critical of Frye during the preseason for not audibling out of a play that the defense is stacked to stop

This tue also but at least it's a start. Carthon hasn't been too creative so far and presean looks about the same.My crystal ball predicts short slants, screans, draw plays and plenty of Droughns up the middle.

 

[redman]

How strong is Frye's arm and how accurate is he on the deep passes?

 

[schaef2k]

How strong is Frye's arm and how accurate is he on the deep passes?

I really don't think I've seen enough deep passes from Frye to judge his accuracy on that. His arm is average nothing special, he has a nice completion percentage but that's probably because of the dink and dunk.The jury is still out on Frye. He looked like a rookie on a crappy team last year but he can make plays. Scrabbles pretty well and can buy time.

 

[daveR]

His arm is very average -- his only drawback. The kid's a winner, but raw. IMO armstrength = Jim McMahon.

 

[M & M]

How strong is Frye's arm and how accurate is he on the deep passes?

I really don't think I've seen enough deep passes from Frye to judge his accuracy on that. His arm is average nothing special, he has a nice completion percentage but that's probably because of the dink and dunk.The jury is still out on Frye. He looked like a rookie on a crappy team last year but he can make plays. Scrabbles pretty well and can buy time.

Hope he doesn't get weighed down by the dictionary. That thing can be murder. Currently at work and don't have access to my research from when Frye came out of college, but I thought arm strength was one of his pluses. On the negative side is that he played at a small school and did not play in a pro system. All of that is off the top of my head and might not be completely accurate.

 

[chris1969]

How strong is Frye's arm and how accurate is he on the deep passes?

I really don't think I've seen enough deep passes from Frye to judge his accuracy on that. His arm is average nothing special, he has a nice completion percentage but that's probably because of the dink and dunk.The jury is still out on Frye. He looked like a rookie on a crappy team last year but he can make plays. Scrabbles pretty well and can buy time.

Hope he doesn't get weighed down by the dictionary. That thing can be murder. Currently at work and don't have access to my research from when Frye came out of college, but I thought arm strength was one of his pluses. On the negative side is that he played at a small school and did not play in a pro system. All of that is off the top of my head and might not be completely accurate.

No, arm strength was a concern when they drafted him. That being said, I saw plenty of deep stuff in TC. most of which went to Northcutt. He was very acurate and I saw at least 1 60 yarder right on target. I haven't seen him underthrow a deep ball yet.

 

[redman]

How strong is Frye's arm and how accurate is he on the deep passes?

I really don't think I've seen enough deep passes from Frye to judge his accuracy on that. His arm is average nothing special, he has a nice completion percentage but that's probably because of the dink and dunk.The jury is still out on Frye. He looked like a rookie on a crappy team last year but he can make plays. Scrabbles pretty well and can buy time.

Hope he doesn't get weighed down by the dictionary. That thing can be murder. Currently at work and don't have access to my research from when Frye came out of college, but I thought arm strength was one of his pluses. On the negative side is that he played at a small school and did not play in a pro system. All of that is off the top of my head and might not be completely accurate.

No, arm strength was a concern when they drafted him. That being said, I saw plenty of deep stuff in TC. most of which went to Northcutt. He was very acurate and I saw at least 1 60 yarder right on target. I haven't seen him underthrow a deep ball yet.

Looks like he chucked it up, although the throw required itGood middle distance throw to a wide open WR

Don't see anything else.

 

[BassNBrew]

If any LB the Browns cut is playing FT for a new team, take him and you'll be happy.

Can't believe no one else caught this. Kind of kills your credibility. You forgot...If any LB the Browns cut is flipping burgers, take him and you'll won't be hungry.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

I\'m drinking the Winslow kool-aid this year

I'm drinking the Braylon Edwards Kool Aid this year

 

[chris1969]

If any LB the Browns cut is playing FT for a new team, take him and you'll be happy.

Can't believe no one else caught this. Kind of kills your credibility. You forgot...If any LB the Browns cut is flipping burgers, take him and you'll won't be hungry.

It was kinda an overstatement for emphasis, but if you want to hold me to it, keep your eye out for the team Speegle attaches himself to.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

hey cleveland rocks!

DO you have examples to back this up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBTjj7p5vv4

 

[Irish]

I\'m drinking the Winslow kool-aid this year

I'm drinking the Braylon Edwards Kool Aid this year

I think you might be a year early for the breakout party.

 

[chihawk]

Moral of the story.....if he stays healthy and is close to what he was....which of course is a big "if"....he will set the NFL on fire. I'm talking Pro-Bowl good.....yes he's that good. Take a picture of this thread, pin it to the top of the board or whatever....but I honestly think Kellen Winslow will be the #2 Tight End behind Gates this year if things break his way.

To be able to break out in the NFL and go to the pro-bowl, etc, you have more than just talent...you have to be in the right situation/team...and in my opinion Cleveland's not it...not this year with a inexperienced QB with a shaky o-line that may require TEs to stay back and help protect their young QB.I admit that I didn't watch Kellen Winslow play much in college, so he may have been better on the field than his stats indicate but this is what I found on him:Games: 38Rec: 119Total yds: 1365TDs: 9Which averages to the following:0.24 td/gm35.9 yds/gm3.1 rec/gm

 

[BassNBrew]

If any LB the Browns cut is playing FT for a new team, take him and you'll be happy.

Can't believe no one else caught this. Kind of kills your credibility. You forgot...If any LB the Browns cut is flipping burgers, take him and you'll won't be hungry.

It was kinda an overstatement for emphasis, but if you want to hold me to it, keep your eye out for the team Speegle attaches himself to.

Yet you just got done for calling others out for make similiar "under"statements about the Browns. After reading some of your posts I was seriously trying to determine if you were a good source of info on the Browns, but you ended up sounding like an overzealous homer.

 

[chris1969]

If any LB the Browns cut is playing FT for a new team, take him and you'll be happy.

Can't believe no one else caught this. Kind of kills your credibility. You forgot...If any LB the Browns cut is flipping burgers, take him and you'll won't be hungry.

It was kinda an overstatement for emphasis, but if you want to hold me to it, keep your eye out for the team Speegle attaches himself to.

Yet you just got done for calling others out for make similiar "under"statements about the Browns. After reading some of your posts I was seriously trying to determine if you were a good source of info on the Browns, but you ended up sounding like an overzealous homer.

Make up your mind as you will, but you'll know for sure by the middle of the season and have the archives to back you up.

 

[Godsbrother]

Didn't see the game today but these are some pretty ugly numbers:

Passing

C. Frye 16/27 132 1 2

Rushing

R. Droughns 11 27 0

J. Harrison 2 14 0

Receiving

K. Winslow 8 63 1

D. Northcutt 4 37 0

B. Edwards 2 23 0

S. Heiden 1 7 0

T. Smith 1 2 0

And this against the Saints at home. Looks like the same old Browns offense :X

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

The Browns will be lucky to win 4 games this year. Losing to the Saints at home is a tough way to start any season.

 

[chris1969]

The Skill players actually looked good, but the play calling was just horrible. Saints played 8 in the box all day and we did nothing to move them out of it. We threw 1 deep ball early in the game, complete to Edwards for 74 yards that got called back for holding. After that we never even made another long attempt.

 

[redman]

Last year the biggest problems arose from injuries. They're healthy this year and they addressed their biggest injury problem with the Fraley trade.

They figure to improve over the course of the year. I think there's trade value on that roster, especially with Droughns and Edwards.

To clarify, by "trade value" I mean guys you can "buy low".

 

[gigantor]

What's going to happen when the Browns play teams that can score TD's and play Defense?

 

[Browns Rule!]

The Browns offense actually looked very good in the second half. They had I believe around 150 yards of offense wiped out because of holding plays (holding can be called almost every play).

 

[gzilla]

The Skill players actually looked good, but the play calling was just horrible. Saints played 8 in the box all day and we did nothing to move them out of it. We threw 1 deep ball early in the game, complete to Edwards for 74 yards that got called back for holding. After that we never even made another long attempt.

That's half the story of the game. The other half is Faine and the New Orleans offensive line completely dominated Washington and the Browns DLine. Deuce and Bush were running for 5+ yards pretty much whenever they wanted. The Brown D couldn't get off the field. I'm pretty sure the Saints had a huge advantage in time of possession. This is after the Saints lost both fullbacks to injury. Seriously, if you watched this game, if NO had received better play out of their QB (Brees played poorly IMO) and/or had a fullback for the entire game (failed to convert on critical short yardage in key situations), they probably would have won the game by 2 TDs. I mention this because I expect things will look worse for the Browns D down the line.Offensively, Frye looked bad. To be fair, he did make 3-4 plays with his feet (He's more mobile than I had realized) but in the normal offense he was completely ineffective. His arm apears below average and his decision making was definitely slow. Remember that this Saints defense was pretty widely regarded to be one of the worst in the league. He will be the reason Edwards doesn't produce up to his potential this year. Edwards looked pretty good.The Browns OLine couldn't move the Saints DLine and therefore couldn't run the ball. It wasn't just a matter of the Saints loading the box. Frye was under pressure the entire day. The long pass referred to by Chris could never have occurred if the LT for the Browns hadn't tackled Will Smith. The real problem is the browns are very weak on the interior OLine. Browns fans will tell you that they don't miss Faine, but the reality is Bryan Young had 3 sacks today. Bryan Young is not an above average player.

 

[gzilla]

What's going to happen when the Browns play teams that can score TD's and play Defense?

They will be beat by more than 5.

 

[Browns Rule!]

The Skill players actually looked good, but the play calling was just horrible. Saints played 8 in the box all day and we did nothing to move them out of it. We threw 1 deep ball early in the game, complete to Edwards for 74 yards that got called back for holding. After that we never even made another long attempt.

That's half the story of the game. The other half is Faine and the New Orleans offensive line completely dominated Washington and the Browns DLine. Deuce and Bush were running for 5+ yards pretty much whenever they wanted. The Brown D couldn't get off the field. I'm pretty sure the Saints had a huge advantage in time of possession. This is after the Saints lost both fullbacks to injury. Seriously, if you watched this game, if NO had received better play out of their QB (Brees played poorly IMO) and/or had a fullback for the entire game (failed to convert on critical short yardage in key situations), they probably would have won the game by 2 TDs. I mention this because I expect things will look worse for the Browns D down the line.Offensively, Frye looked bad. To be fair, he did make 3-4 plays with his feet (He's more mobile than I had realized) but in the normal offense he was completely ineffective. His arm apears below average and his decision making was definitely slow. Remember that this Saints defense was pretty widely regarded to be one of the worst in the league. He will be the reason Edwards doesn't produce up to his potential this year. Edwards looked pretty good.The Browns OLine couldn't move the Saints DLine and therefore couldn't run the ball. It wasn't just a matter of the Saints loading the box. Frye was under pressure the entire day. The long pass referred to by Chris could never have occurred if the LT for the Browns hadn't tackled Will Smith. The real problem is the browns are very weak on the interior OLine. Browns fans will tell you that they don't miss Faine, but the reality is Bryan Young had 3 sacks today. Bryan Young is not an above average player.

I'll tell you I miss Faine, I loved the guy! Our O-line was the main problem to our offense, I totally agree. Shaffer (LT) played like Donkey poo as did Cosey Coleman. Fraley, our center was ok at best, but I saw him miss a couple blocks. Tucker and Andruzzi were ok, but nothing to write home about. I think Frye looked like crap in the first half, but the second half, he had much more composure and I actually thought he would drive the team down to win the game (just didn't happen after a perfectly thrown ball bounced off Edward's chest and was picked). My biggest confusion was the way Droughns was utilized. He wasn't in on short yardage or third down plays. We couldn't complete a short yardage play, so this made 0 sense, as did much of what Carthon called. Vickers was in to run on short yardage and sometimes Harrison. My biggest positive was Kellen Winslow. The guy brings an attitude and toughness that can't be matched. The dude is a machine out there that doesn't go down.

 

[Bri]

The Skill players actually looked good, but the play calling was just horrible. Saints played 8 in the box all day and we did nothing to move them out of it. We threw 1 deep ball early in the game, complete to Edwards for 74 yards that got called back for holding. After that we never even made another long attempt.

That's half the story of the game. The other half is Faine and the New Orleans offensive line completely dominated Washington and the Browns DLine. Deuce and Bush were running for 5+ yards pretty much whenever they wanted. The Brown D couldn't get off the field. I'm pretty sure the Saints had a huge advantage in time of possession. This is after the Saints lost both fullbacks to injury. Seriously, if you watched this game, if NO had received better play out of their QB (Brees played poorly IMO) and/or had a fullback for the entire game (failed to convert on critical short yardage in key situations), they probably would have won the game by 2 TDs. I mention this because I expect things will look worse for the Browns D down the line.Offensively, Frye looked bad. To be fair, he did make 3-4 plays with his feet (He's more mobile than I had realized) but in the normal offense he was completely ineffective. His arm apears below average and his decision making was definitely slow. Remember that this Saints defense was pretty widely regarded to be one of the worst in the league. He will be the reason Edwards doesn't produce up to his potential this year. Edwards looked pretty good.The Browns OLine couldn't move the Saints DLine and therefore couldn't run the ball. It wasn't just a matter of the Saints loading the box. Frye was under pressure the entire day. The long pass referred to by Chris could never have occurred if the LT for the Browns hadn't tackled Will Smith. The real problem is the browns are very weak on the interior OLine. Browns fans will tell you that they don't miss Faine, but the reality is Bryan Young had 3 sacks today. Bryan Young is not an above average player.

I'll tell you I miss Faine, I loved the guy! Our O-line was the main problem to our offense, I totally agree. Shaffer (LT) played like Donkey poo as did Cosey Coleman. Fraley, our center was ok at best, but I saw him miss a couple blocks. Tucker and Andruzzi were ok, but nothing to write home about. I think Frye looked like crap in the first half, but the second half, he had much more composure and I actually thought he would drive the team down to win the game (just didn't happen after a perfectly thrown ball bounced off Edward's chest and was picked). My biggest confusion was the way Droughns was utilized. He wasn't in on short yardage or third down plays. We couldn't complete a short yardage play, so this made 0 sense, as did much of what Carthon called. Vickers was in to run on short yardage and sometimes Harrison. My biggest positive was Kellen Winslow. The guy brings an attitude and toughness that can't be matched. The dude is a machine out there that doesn't go down.

The Browns aren't there yet. You're gonna have to win field position and time of posession games. I think Carthon was probably failing to do that