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Bryce Brown anything to see here? (1 Viewer)

I'm going to guess no one really knows what's going to happen, but I suppose it's one of three scenarios.

  1. Dixon is valued for his ST play and is not the athlete that BB is, Brown gets most of the carries, at least 2/3's until Fred gets back.
  2. Dixon and BB split and BB gets the minimal Spiller role. Or they go something like 50/50.
  3. BB continues to be viewed as a back to be saved for next year and is held in reserve.
No. 3 seems almost impossible since BUF has no other backs on their roster, not even on their practice squad from what I see.

 
Dixon was 13-51 rushing and 3-15 receiving, I wouldn't just assume that Brown will come in and dominate touches. It seems likely that Dixon And Brown will split touches the same way Jackson and Spiller did.
I feel like I agree but I also feel like this is a McKinnon/Asiata situation. It's clear who the better running RB is from a history standpoint.
I have been as skeptical of Brown as anyone in this thread but I would make a WW bid for him over Dixon all day, every day.

If just Spiller had been hurt then I would want Fred Jackson over him because the Bills clearly trust him but against Dixon it is difficult to see a scenario where Brown doesn't get a shot to be a big contributor.

 
Dixon was 13-51 rushing and 3-15 receiving, I wouldn't just assume that Brown will come in and dominate touches. It seems likely that Dixon And Brown will split touches the same way Jackson and Spiller did.
I feel like I agree but I also feel like this is a McKinnon/Asiata situation. It's clear who the better running RB is from a history standpoint.
I have been as skeptical of Brown as anyone in this thread but I would make a WW bid for him over Dixon all day, every day.

If just Spiller had been hurt then I would want Fred Jackson over him because the Bills clearly trust him but against Dixon it is difficult to see a scenario where Brown doesn't get a shot to be a big contributor.
Brown is the lotto ticket here because we don't know what we really have in him - his ceiling and his floor. But the big question mark that will limit his playing time is how competent he is in pass protection. This was the biggest reason why Jackson was dominating the snaps over Spiller and I'm guessing that's a big reason why Brown hasn't been used at all this year.

 
I'm going to guess no one really knows what's going to happen, but I suppose it's one of three scenarios.

  1. Dixon is valued for his ST play and is not the athlete that BB is, Brown gets most of the carries, at least 2/3's until Fred gets back.
  2. Dixon and BB split and BB gets the minimal Spiller role. Or they go something like 50/50.
  3. BB continues to be viewed as a back to be saved for next year and is held in reserve.
No. 3 seems almost impossible since BUF has no other backs on their roster, not even on their practice squad from what I see.
it seems based on past comments about spiller they value hitting the correct hole and running the plays as designed.... brown's limited run in Philly he would try to bounce most everything outside.

 
I'm going to guess no one really knows what's going to happen, but I suppose it's one of three scenarios.

  1. Dixon is valued for his ST play and is not the athlete that BB is, Brown gets most of the carries, at least 2/3's until Fred gets back.
  2. Dixon and BB split and BB gets the minimal Spiller role. Or they go something like 50/50.
  3. BB continues to be viewed as a back to be saved for next year and is held in reserve.
No. 3 seems almost impossible since BUF has no other backs on their roster, not even on their practice squad from what I see.
it seems based on past comments about spiller they value hitting the correct hole and running the plays as designed.... brown's limited run in Philly he would try to bounce most everything outside.
Yup. He also danced a ton I believe he averaged a loss on something like 19% of his carries which led the league by a wide margin.

My biggest concern is the fact that I don't think Chip Kelly just gives up on very talented RBs so something must be very wrong with his game, attitude or both.

 
I'm going to guess no one really knows what's going to happen, but I suppose it's one of three scenarios.

  1. Dixon is valued for his ST play and is not the athlete that BB is, Brown gets most of the carries, at least 2/3's until Fred gets back.
  2. Dixon and BB split and BB gets the minimal Spiller role. Or they go something like 50/50.
  3. BB continues to be viewed as a back to be saved for next year and is held in reserve.
No. 3 seems almost impossible since BUF has no other backs on their roster, not even on their practice squad from what I see.
it seems based on past comments about spiller they value hitting the correct hole and running the plays as designed.... brown's limited run in Philly he would try to bounce most everything outside.
Yup. He also danced a ton I believe he averaged a loss on something like 19% of his carries which led the league by a wide margin.

My biggest concern is the fact that I don't think Chip Kelly just gives up on very talented RBs so something must be very wrong with his game, attitude or both.
This is only Kelly's 2nd year in the NFL so time will tell how his personnel decisions work out, but it may not have been anything more than thinking Sproles was a better fit for them.

 
I'm going to guess no one really knows what's going to happen, but I suppose it's one of three scenarios.

  1. Dixon is valued for his ST play and is not the athlete that BB is, Brown gets most of the carries, at least 2/3's until Fred gets back.
  2. Dixon and BB split and BB gets the minimal Spiller role. Or they go something like 50/50.
  3. BB continues to be viewed as a back to be saved for next year and is held in reserve.
No. 3 seems almost impossible since BUF has no other backs on their roster, not even on their practice squad from what I see.
it seems based on past comments about spiller they value hitting the correct hole and running the plays as designed.... brown's limited run in Philly he would try to bounce most everything outside.
Yup. He also danced a ton I believe he averaged a loss on something like 19% of his carries which led the league by a wide margin.

My biggest concern is the fact that I don't think Chip Kelly just gives up on very talented RBs so something must be very wrong with his game, attitude or both.
All I know is that, season before last, he went 19-178-2 and 24-169-2 filling in for Shady in back to back games.

 
I'm going to guess no one really knows what's going to happen, but I suppose it's one of three scenarios.

  1. Dixon is valued for his ST play and is not the athlete that BB is, Brown gets most of the carries, at least 2/3's until Fred gets back.
  2. Dixon and BB split and BB gets the minimal Spiller role. Or they go something like 50/50.
  3. BB continues to be viewed as a back to be saved for next year and is held in reserve.
No. 3 seems almost impossible since BUF has no other backs on their roster, not even on their practice squad from what I see.
it seems based on past comments about spiller they value hitting the correct hole and running the plays as designed.... brown's limited run in Philly he would try to bounce most everything outside.
Yup. He also danced a ton I believe he averaged a loss on something like 19% of his carries which led the league by a wide margin.

My biggest concern is the fact that I don't think Chip Kelly just gives up on very talented RBs so something must be very wrong with his game, attitude or both.
All I know is that, season before last, he went 19-178-2 and 24-169-2 filling in for Shady in back to back games.
How did he do after teams learned a little bit about him (after those two games)? Serious question.

 
I'm going to guess no one really knows what's going to happen, but I suppose it's one of three scenarios.

  1. Dixon is valued for his ST play and is not the athlete that BB is, Brown gets most of the carries, at least 2/3's until Fred gets back.
  2. Dixon and BB split and BB gets the minimal Spiller role. Or they go something like 50/50.
  3. BB continues to be viewed as a back to be saved for next year and is held in reserve.
No. 3 seems almost impossible since BUF has no other backs on their roster, not even on their practice squad from what I see.
it seems based on past comments about spiller they value hitting the correct hole and running the plays as designed.... brown's limited run in Philly he would try to bounce most everything outside.
Yup. He also danced a ton I believe he averaged a loss on something like 19% of his carries which led the league by a wide margin.

My biggest concern is the fact that I don't think Chip Kelly just gives up on very talented RBs so something must be very wrong with his game, attitude or both.
All I know is that, season before last, he went 19-178-2 and 24-169-2 filling in for Shady in back to back games.
Well at least those 7 years of college weren't entirely wasted.

;)

 
I'm going to guess no one really knows what's going to happen, but I suppose it's one of three scenarios.

  1. Dixon is valued for his ST play and is not the athlete that BB is, Brown gets most of the carries, at least 2/3's until Fred gets back.
  2. Dixon and BB split and BB gets the minimal Spiller role. Or they go something like 50/50.
  3. BB continues to be viewed as a back to be saved for next year and is held in reserve.
No. 3 seems almost impossible since BUF has no other backs on their roster, not even on their practice squad from what I see.
it seems based on past comments about spiller they value hitting the correct hole and running the plays as designed.... brown's limited run in Philly he would try to bounce most everything outside.
Yup. He also danced a ton I believe he averaged a loss on something like 19% of his carries which led the league by a wide margin.

My biggest concern is the fact that I don't think Chip Kelly just gives up on very talented RBs so something must be very wrong with his game, attitude or both.
All I know is that, season before last, he went 19-178-2 and 24-169-2 filling in for Shady in back to back games.
How did he do after teams learned a little bit about him (after those two games)? Serious question.
Nothing the next 2 weeks, but both games were against solid run defenses. After that, McCoy was back, so Brown went back to the bench.

 
Any more thoughts on BBrown this week and moving forward?

How about when Fred comes back?

It always seems odd to pick up a player who is coming off the season long inactive list as though he is suddenly going to be the man. What can we really expect here?

 
Rotoworld:

Bryce Brown - RB - Bills

Bills GM Doug Whaley traded for Bryce Brown because he felt the former Eagle had the potential to be a star.

Whaley gave up a fourth-round pick to get Brown this summer, relatively steep compensation by NFL standards. Note that Brown was the unquestioned No. 1 high school player in the country coming out, getting compared to Reggie Bush by Lane Kiffin. He has 4.48 speed at 6'0/220 and is excellent in the pass game. As the Buffalo News speculates, Brown will at worst be a "co-feature back" with Anthony Dixon while Fred Jackson (groin) is out. He's a plug-n-play RB2 with potential to stick in the C.J. Spiller role even once F-Jax returns.

Source: Buffalo News

Oct 21 - 8:43 AM
 
There's no way to know how it's going to shake out, all we can do is speculate and there's not much to go on.

If I had to choose, I'd rather take a flyer on Brown because I believe he has the most upside, but I don't have high expectations for either guy in the short term. It's likely to be some form of a rbbc, they have a poor run blocking o-line, questionable coaches and play calling, and a relatively tough schedule coming up (with their bye thrown in). When Fred comes back, he's likely to take over lead RB duties, assuming no one takes the job and runs with it here (and he stays healthy).

 
Dixon is the one playing even when Spiller and Fred were healthy.

What am I missing to assume Brown would get more work than him now?

 
Dixon is the one playing even when Spiller and Fred were healthy.

What am I missing to assume Brown would get more work than him now?
Dixon plays special teams

I dont think either do much vs the NYJ, but Bryce Brown is the sexier play. I could see Dixon getting goalline/short yardage stuff though

 
I typically lean towards the reliable veteran over the flashy young player but in this situation I think it is close enough to go with the upside play and that is clearly Brown.

 
If he runs north and south he looks great, but he seems to want to run east and west... Also why inactive....if he is truly as talented as people say, how come he couldn't beat a 100 year old Fred Jackson out?

 
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If he runs north and south he looks great, but he seems to want to run east and west... Also why inactive....if he is truly as talented as people say, how come he couldn't beat a 100 year old Fred Jackson out?
He's more talented than Trent Richardson...wait, that doesn't mean much anymore...

 
If he runs north and south he looks great, but he seems to want to run east and west... Also why inactive....if he is truly as talented as people say, how come he couldn't beat a 100 year old Fred Jackson out?
Because Fred Jackson is really really good. If Bryce turns out to be anything close to Fred Jackson then he will be a jackpot. If it was just Spiller that was hurt, Fred would probably be a top 5 RB the rest of the year.

 
Dixon is the one playing even when Spiller and Fred were healthy.

What am I missing to assume Brown would get more work than him now?
Observable talent. Watch some football this weekend it will cure your ills.
I'd love to have observed his talents, however his talent seems to have had him 4th on the depth chart and inactive all year.

He is so good they didn't know how to use him?

 
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He's got the talent and he's got the second chance.

If he gets carries he'll finally have the opportunity.

http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/jerry-sullivan/bills-will-see-if-trade-for-brown-pays-off-20141020

Bills will see if trade for Brown pays offWhen the Bills made five trades in three days during last year’s NFL draft, team president Russ Brandon said, “It’s all about preparation.”

Dealing a conditional fourth-round pick for Bryce Brown showed they were preparing for the day when C.J. Spiller and Fred Jackson were no longer functioning as the Bills’ versatile running back tandem.



Spiller was entering the final year of his contract. Jackson, the tireless leader, was 33 and past his prime. Both tailbacks had suffered from injuries in recent years. So by getting Brown, the Bills were preparing for the future while ensuring themselves against any present crisis.



The future has arrived sooner than expected. Both Spiller and Jackson went down with long-term injuries in Sunday’s win over the Vikings. Spiller is out for the season with a broken collarbone. After five seasons of largely unfulfilled promise, he has almost surely played his last down as a Bill.

Brown, who hasn’t suited up all season, will go into the lineup, perhaps as a co-feature back, for at least the next month. Brown says he’s confident. Last week, he said he was surprised he hadn’t played by now.

Well, here’s his chance. Doug Whaley traded for him because he felt Brown, who is 6-foot, 220 pounds, had the potential to be a star. Now, Brown gets what amounts to an audition for the role as the Bills’ featured back of the future.

There’s no question he has talent. Five years ago, almost every recruiting service ranked Brown as the best high school football player in America. Lane Kiffin, who recruited him to Tennessee after Brown gave a verbal commitment to Miami, compared him with Reggie Bush.

But Brown left Tennessee when Kiffin took the head job at the University of Southern California a year later. He transferred to Kansas State, near his Wichita home. His older brother, Arthur Brown Sr. (now with the Ravens), was a linebacker there. But Brown hurt his ankle and played just one game for K-State before leaving school.

K-State coach Bill Snyder thought enough of Brown to let him take part in the school’s 2012 pro day. Brown ran a 4.38 in the 40. The Eagles drafted him in the seventh round. Brown made Andy Reid’s last Philly team and played sparingly as LeSean McCoy’s backup for the first half of his rookie season.

Then McCoy went down and Brown got his first start since high school, on “Monday Night Football” against the Panthers. He rushed for an Eagles rookie-record 178 yards and two TDs. The next game, he ran for 169 yards and two TDs.

Brown had fumbling issues in 2012. McCoy, one of the top backs in the NFL, returned from injury. Brown rushed for 314 yards as a backup last year.

But the Bills kept an eye on him. Knowing their running back position was in transition, they went after Brown hard.



We’ll find out if it was a wise investment. At 23, Brown might finally become the star that scouts envisioned when he was a teenager. Either that, or we’ll find out why a guy with all that size, speed and power hasn’t held a starting job since high school.
I'd forgotten that the Bills dished a 'CONDITIONAL' pick for Bryce so I didn't figure that into the decision as to why he hadn't been activated earlier considering Spiller was struggling and they could have used a spark.

 
He's got the talent and he's got the second chance.

If he gets carries he'll finally have the opportunity.

http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/jerry-sullivan/bills-will-see-if-trade-for-brown-pays-off-20141020

Bills will see if trade for Brown pays offWhen the Bills made five trades in three days during last year’s NFL draft, team president Russ Brandon said, “It’s all about preparation.”

Dealing a conditional fourth-round pick for Bryce Brown showed they were preparing for the day when C.J. Spiller and Fred Jackson were no longer functioning as the Bills’ versatile running back tandem.



Spiller was entering the final year of his contract. Jackson, the tireless leader, was 33 and past his prime. Both tailbacks had suffered from injuries in recent years. So by getting Brown, the Bills were preparing for the future while ensuring themselves against any present crisis.



The future has arrived sooner than expected. Both Spiller and Jackson went down with long-term injuries in Sunday’s win over the Vikings. Spiller is out for the season with a broken collarbone. After five seasons of largely unfulfilled promise, he has almost surely played his last down as a Bill.

Brown, who hasn’t suited up all season, will go into the lineup, perhaps as a co-feature back, for at least the next month. Brown says he’s confident. Last week, he said he was surprised he hadn’t played by now.

Well, here’s his chance. Doug Whaley traded for him because he felt Brown, who is 6-foot, 220 pounds, had the potential to be a star. Now, Brown gets what amounts to an audition for the role as the Bills’ featured back of the future.

There’s no question he has talent. Five years ago, almost every recruiting service ranked Brown as the best high school football player in America. Lane Kiffin, who recruited him to Tennessee after Brown gave a verbal commitment to Miami, compared him with Reggie Bush.

But Brown left Tennessee when Kiffin took the head job at the University of Southern California a year later. He transferred to Kansas State, near his Wichita home. His older brother, Arthur Brown Sr. (now with the Ravens), was a linebacker there. But Brown hurt his ankle and played just one game for K-State before leaving school.

K-State coach Bill Snyder thought enough of Brown to let him take part in the school’s 2012 pro day. Brown ran a 4.38 in the 40. The Eagles drafted him in the seventh round. Brown made Andy Reid’s last Philly team and played sparingly as LeSean McCoy’s backup for the first half of his rookie season.

Then McCoy went down and Brown got his first start since high school, on “Monday Night Football” against the Panthers. He rushed for an Eagles rookie-record 178 yards and two TDs. The next game, he ran for 169 yards and two TDs.

Brown had fumbling issues in 2012. McCoy, one of the top backs in the NFL, returned from injury. Brown rushed for 314 yards as a backup last year.

But the Bills kept an eye on him. Knowing their running back position was in transition, they went after Brown hard.



We’ll find out if it was a wise investment. At 23, Brown might finally become the star that scouts envisioned when he was a teenager. Either that, or we’ll find out why a guy with all that size, speed and power hasn’t held a starting job since high school.
I'd forgotten that the Bills dished a 'CONDITIONAL' pick for Bryce so I didn't figure that into the decision as to why he hadn't been activated earlier considering Spiller was struggling and they could have used a spark.
That condition has nothing to do with Brown. It's the pick they got for dealing Stevie Johnson.

 
Dixon is the one playing even when Spiller and Fred were healthy.

What am I missing to assume Brown would get more work than him now?
Observable talent. Watch some football this weekend it will cure your ills.
I'd love to have observed his talents, however his talent seems to have had him 4th on the depth chart and inactive all year.

He is so good they didn't know how to use him?
The teams 3rd string active RB is basically just a special teams player and an insurance policy in case of what just happened. If Dixon is better than Bryce at special teams then it makes complete sense to have the guy out there that is going to help your team win. Now that they are both going to be playing RB and not special teams, don't you think that the better RB will be getting the majority of the carries?

 
Dixon is the one playing even when Spiller and Fred were healthy.

What am I missing to assume Brown would get more work than him now?
Observable talent. Watch some football this weekend it will cure your ills.
I'd love to have observed his talents, however his talent seems to have had him 4th on the depth chart and inactive all year.

He is so good they didn't know how to use him?
Did you watch any Philly games late in 2012?

 
If Brown is active, I imagine he'll get his share of snaps. But I really highly doubt that he walks in and gets the lion's share. Dixon was getting on the field pretty regularly even before the injuries to Spiller and Jackson. Against NE two weeks ago, Dixon was on the field and getting the ball on the Bills' first possession of the game. They like him a lot.

There's a lot of talk around town of the current Bills coaching staff horribly misusing Spiller, and I think there's some truth to that. While they do run from the spread, they're still for the most part a north-south running team. That's part of the reason why Jackson has done well and Spiller has struggled in these past two seasons. Dixon is clearly the kind of back that they prefer, even if Brown is likely significantly more talented.

Spiller's best days as a Bill were under the previous regime. The current OC is a largely untested 34 year old with 4 years of OC experience (two at Syracuse, two now for the Bills) who has seemingly struggled to adapt his gameplan to his team's strengths. I am very disappointed in the way Spiller has been used in the last two seasons. Every other OC in the NFL would kill to have Spiller, but the Bills let him languish on the bench.

If pass protection is the issue - and I have to believe it is, considering how bad the Bills OL is right now - I can't imagine Bryce Brown being better at it than Boobie Dixon. The Bills aren't running the ball well, and I can't imagine it gets better immediately with Brown and Dixon rather than Spiller and Jackson. There's also the matter of Fred Jackson targeting a mid-November return. He steps immediately into the feature-back role, IMO, once healthy. Jackson is a legend here and is a team captain, and Bryce Brown has been inactive all season. Unless Brown rips off like 3-4 massive games, I think Jackson sees the majority of the snaps once he's back. And given the current state of the Bills offense, I don't think Brown gets the opportunity to rip off those massive games, even if he has the talent to do so (like we saw with the Eagles a few years ago).

 
For those pointing out the Hillman situation: Branden Oliver and Tre Mason. Don't be a sheep.

For those pointing out Dixon has played: have you watched him play? He's ok, I won't take it away from him that he can survive as a NFL running back but he's SLOW. He's got a little pop but there is a reason he never elevated to a prominent role in SF.

 
jasvic said:
Bracie Smathers said:
I'd forgotten that the Bills dished a 'CONDITIONAL' pick for Bryce so I didn't figure that into the decision as to why he hadn't been activated earlier considering Spiller was struggling and they could have used a spark.
That condition has nothing to do with Brown. It's the pick they got for dealing Stevie Johnson.
Not entirely true- if Stevie doesn't meet his conditions and the pick remains a 4th, then that is the pick that will go to Philly. If Stevie does, then the pick that the Bills send to Philly will depend on whether Brown meets his.

I still don't think that has anything to do with why he hasn't been active though.

 
jasvic said:
Bracie Smathers said:
I'd forgotten that the Bills dished a 'CONDITIONAL' pick for Bryce so I didn't figure that into the decision as to why he hadn't been activated earlier considering Spiller was struggling and they could have used a spark.
That condition has nothing to do with Brown. It's the pick they got for dealing Stevie Johnson.
Not entirely true- if Stevie doesn't meet his conditions and the pick remains a 4th, then that is the pick that will go to Philly. If Stevie does, then the pick that the Bills send to Philly will depend on whether Brown meets his.

I still don't think that has anything to do with why he hasn't been active though.
Jebus, I didn't realize there were conditions on both:

http://www.wgr550.com/The-Bryce-Brown-trade-explained-for-Bills/9034669?pid=400723

There are a few different ways it can play out, so here is how each scenario could play out in that deal:The Bills will send a 2015 fourth-round selection to Philadelphia if:

- Stevie Johnson does not meet production-based conditions in San Francisco in 2014.

- Bryce Brown does not meet production-based conditions in Buffalo in 2014.

The Bills will send a 2016 fourth-round selection to Philadelphia if:

- Stevie Johnson does meet production-based conditions in San Francisco in 2014.

- Bryce Brown does not meet production-based conditions in Buffalo in either 2014 or 2015.

The Bills will send a 2016 third-round selection to Philadelphia if:

- Stevie Johnson does meet production-based conditions in San Francisco in 2014.

- Bryce Brown does meet production-based conditions in Buffalo in either 2014 or 2015.

The pick the Bills are sending to Philadelphia cannot escalate to a third-round pick in 2015. The pick the 49ers are sending the Bills in 2015 can escalate to a third-round selection if Stevie Johnson meets production-based conditions in 2014.
 
Yeah, it's probably unlikely that either guy hits their conditions, but the point is they aren't going to make a guy inactive because of the slight chance that it would cost them a slightly higher pick.

 
steveski said:
matuski said:
Bojang0301 said:
matuski said:
Dixon is the one playing even when Spiller and Fred were healthy.

What am I missing to assume Brown would get more work than him now?
Observable talent. Watch some football this weekend it will cure your ills.
I'd love to have observed his talents, however his talent seems to have had him 4th on the depth chart and inactive all year.

He is so good they didn't know how to use him?
The teams 3rd string active RB is basically just a special teams player and an insurance policy in case of what just happened. If Dixon is better than Bryce at special teams then it makes complete sense to have the guy out there that is going to help your team win. Now that they are both going to be playing RB and not special teams, don't you think that the better RB will be getting the majority of the carries?
:goodposting:

The Bills had no need to keep 4 healthy RBs on their active gameday roster.

Spiller and FJax were clearly the top two choices. It is no knock on Bryce Brown that he did not unseat either veteran back.

Between Dixon and Brown, Dixon offered ST contribution; therefore, he was the logical choice as the team's 3rd tailback (essentially an insurance policy at the RB position).

Brown brings tremendous upside to the position, yet he is still largely an unknown commodity. Brown has a rare size-speed combination, yet he is still very raw. If Brown gets into a groove and starts ripping off some long runs (something we have seen before he is very capable of), he will not only earn the lion's share of reps during the absence of Spiller and Jackson, but he could cement a role even upon Jackson's eventual return. That is part of the upside with Brown: he could have continued value.

On the flipside, if Brown struggles in pass protection, misses assignments, tries unsuccessfully to bounce his runs outside, or otherwise falls short, Dixon provides a safer, albeit less exciting, alternative to keep the seat warm until Jackson returns, and Jackson could be a top 5-10 back the rest of the way.

If you have been patiently holding Bryce Brown, well, first, you are likely playing in a dynasty format, but this is the type of opportunity you could only dream would materialize so soon. If Brown cannot wrestle the job away from the journeyman Dixon, it may be time to cut bait.

If, however, you believe Dixon will be the primary ball carrier, I recommend you make a trade bid for the injured Jackson.

 
For those pointing out the Hillman situation: Branden Oliver and Tre Mason. Don't be a sheep.

For those pointing out Dixon has played: have you watched him play? He's ok, I won't take it away from him that he can survive as a NFL running back but he's SLOW. He's got a little pop but there is a reason he never elevated to a prominent role in SF.
Agreed.

The latter is also very similar to the Patriots situation. Bolden had played and was active because he was a special teams guy, but Jonas Gray was the one to take over the bulk role (more or less).

 
It is no knock on Brown that he hasn't made the active roster yet?

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steveski said:
matuski said:
Bojang0301 said:
matuski said:
Dixon is the one playing even when Spiller and Fred were healthy.

What am I missing to assume Brown would get more work than him now?
Observable talent. Watch some football this weekend it will cure your ills.
I'd love to have observed his talents, however his talent seems to have had him 4th on the depth chart and inactive all year.

He is so good they didn't know how to use him?
The teams 3rd string active RB is basically just a special teams player and an insurance policy in case of what just happened. If Dixon is better than Bryce at special teams then it makes complete sense to have the guy out there that is going to help your team win. Now that they are both going to be playing RB and not special teams, don't you think that the better RB will be getting the majority of the carries?
Of course the better RB will get the carries.. I just am not hopping on the band wagon assuming a year to date inactive player is said guy.

If the team comes out and says they are leaning one way or the other, I'd like to see that.

I have no dog in this race (yet).

 
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It is no knock on Brown that he hasn't made the active roster yet?

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steveski said:
matuski said:
Bojang0301 said:
matuski said:
Dixon is the one playing even when Spiller and Fred were healthy.

What am I missing to assume Brown would get more work than him now?
Observable talent. Watch some football this weekend it will cure your ills.
I'd love to have observed his talents, however his talent seems to have had him 4th on the depth chart and inactive all year.

He is so good they didn't know how to use him?
The teams 3rd string active RB is basically just a special teams player and an insurance policy in case of what just happened. If Dixon is better than Bryce at special teams then it makes complete sense to have the guy out there that is going to help your team win. Now that they are both going to be playing RB and not special teams, don't you think that the better RB will be getting the majority of the carries?
I just am not hopping on the band wagon assuming a year to date inactive player is said guy.
This is how I look at it. Spiller and FJax were guaranteed actives, the Bills were rarely going to use the #3 over those two guys unless it was necessary, most RBs are capable of that so why not use the one who provides something extra like special teams. Dixon being active does not mean they view him as the better "runner." Its not like its a first the player who played special teams is active over the actual better player.

Now that both FJax and Spiller are out, both Brown and Dixon are going to get their carries and Brown has had some things said about him that makes you think the Bills think he can be good and his stats in the past shows he is capable. The better player will get the carries and it has nothing to do with who has been or not been active until now and from what I have seen from their performances in the NFL that better player is Brown.

I had an equal shot on open waivers to grab Brown or Dixon and I grabbed Brown.

 
i am completely paralyzed...I have a chance to get either one in two leagues and I literally think I'm going to choose Brown in one and Dixon in the other to hedge my bet.

 
If you have been patiently holding Bryce Brown, well, first, you are likely playing in a dynasty format, but this is the type of opportunity you could only dream would materialize so soon. If Brown cannot wrestle the job away from the journeyman Dixon, it may be time to cut bait.
I'm not sure I'd say this in a dynasty format.

The Bills are all about rotations. They intentionally rotate players in and out more than any other team I've ever seen. They had the backup D-line playing an entire backbreaking drive against the Patriots two weeks ago because it was their turn to play. It seems like silly coaching - and I think it is, to an extent - but it tells me that Dixon and Brown will both get work.

Given that the team hasn't been running the ball well anyway, and now their top 2 backs are out, I expect them to lean more heavily on the passing game. Orton provides a steady, solid yet unspectacular presence. The OL has been awful of late - Orton was sacked 6 times against Minnesota. They need pass-protection, and I have to believe that Dixon is much better at it than Brown is.

I guess where I'm going with this is....if Brown and Dixon split carries 50/50 and then Fred Jackson comes in and plays an every-down-back role, I wouldn't write off Brown. This coaching staff just doesn't seem like the type to give Brown the ball 20-25 times even if he's noticeably better than Dixon is. If they trusted Brown that much right now, I have to believe he'd have been on the active roster. If Jackson comes back and takes over before Brown overtakes Dixon, it's not necessarily an indictment of Brown, but rather part of a conscious gameplan by the coaching staff to rotate players in situationally.

 
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Wasn't Tre Mason inactive last week in favor of Bennie Cunningham and Trey Watts, each of whom play special teams?

I think there's something to be said for this "We're making a lessor RB active as our 3rd RB because he plays special teams" theory.

 
Wasn't Tre Mason inactive last week in favor of Bennie Cunningham and Trey Watts, each of whom play special teams?

I think there's something to be said for this "We're making a lessor RB active as our 3rd RB because he plays special teams" theory.
he was inactive the 1st 4 games.

 
If you have been patiently holding Bryce Brown, well, first, you are likely playing in a dynasty format, but this is the type of opportunity you could only dream would materialize so soon. If Brown cannot wrestle the job away from the journeyman Dixon, it may be time to cut bait.
I'm not sure I'd say this in a dynasty format.

The Bills are all about rotations. They intentionally rotate players in and out more than any other team I've ever seen. They had the backup D-line playing an entire backbreaking drive against the Patriots two weeks ago because it was their turn to play. It seems like silly coaching - and I think it is, to an extent - but it tells me that Dixon and Brown will both get work.

Given that the team hasn't been running the ball well anyway, and now their top 2 backs are out, I expect them to lean more heavily on the passing game. Orton provides a steady, solid yet unspectacular presence. The OL has been awful of late - Orton was sacked 6 times against Minnesota. They need pass-protection, and I have to believe that Dixon is much better at it than Brown is.

I guess where I'm going with this is....if Brown and Dixon split carries 50/50 and then Fred Jackson comes in and plays an every-down-back role, I wouldn't write off Brown. This coaching staff just doesn't seem like the type to give Brown the ball 20-25 times even if he's noticeably better than Dixon is. If they trusted Brown that much right now, I have to believe he'd have been on the active roster. If Jackson comes back and takes over before Brown overtakes Dixon, it's not necessarily an indictment of Brown, but rather part of a conscious gameplan by the coaching staff to rotate players in situationally.
I echoed literally the same thing over in the Hillman/CJ Anderson/Thompson thread after the Ball injury. It seems that in that case, despite CJ not playing special teams, he also was lowest on the pecking order. Not sure how this one will play out...I had Spiller, and grabbed both Brown and Dixon. I actually was glad Spiller got hurt so I could get rid of him...if Jackson stays out for a while, and one of these guys emerges, I could benefit.

 
Tomorrow's FBG Roundtable discussion will include the staff's take on the Bills' backfield situation...be sure to look for it.

 

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