Bryce Brown anything to see here? (1 Viewer)

[Bayhawks]

There is absolutely no reason the Eagles would even consider making a trade. Brown has special qualities and he is dirt cheap. Additionally, whoever is under center will probably need to lean heavily on the run game, so having two backs to turn to that offer different skill sets will be necessary. It will be interesting to see how the public perceives both of them come next draft season because while Brown looks like a more special talent McCoy is the established one and doesn't come with mental midget risk, curious whether that will be priced in for both of them./

Well there is a reason the would consider trading Brown and that's if they were properly compensated. It's not like they don't have needs. Fact is you don't see a lot of RB trades makes it seem less likely but it's also a weak year for the RB draft class. This does make next year extremely interesting. Are these two going to be like a Foster(McCoy)/Tate(Brown) with a sure #1 and high end #2 taking maybe getting 30% of the touches? I'm more inclined to think they end up as more of a true RBBC and used in more of a similar fashion to the Fred/Spiller combnly thing I feel certain about right now is McCoy's dynasty value has plummeted a great deal. I mean it's still high but before this I had McCoy rated as my #2 dynasty back behind Richardson.

Why? McCoy is a stud RB who has put up good to great numbers for multiple years, he is young, he just signed a new contract, and he was a high pick (2nd round). Brown is a 7th round pick who has put up two great games, has shown a propensity to fumble & doesn't have a high salary that "earns" him more playing time. This is almost the exact opposite of the FJax/Spiller situation. FJax was undrafted, while Spiller was a top-10 draft pick. Even though FJax outplayed Spiller for most of the last 2 years, Spiller was continually given opportunities to play, at least partially due to his high draft status.Brown will be retained (probably) because the Eagles (probably) won't get an offer that is enticing enough to trade him, but McCoy will remain the guy (or at least get the lion's share of a RBBC) because he is the higher draft pick, higher paid RB who is immensely talented in his own right.

 

[iamkoza]

no way the eagles trade brown unless they get an insane trade offer for him (lots of high draft picks... wont happen)

it's the perfect situation, mccoy is an excellent RB1 who rarely fumbles and can do everything asked of him... brown is cheap $$wise and has proven he can play at an elite level when called upon... while it's a great situation for the eagles moving forward, fantasy owners will suffer slightly if brown eats in to mccoys workload... which the only reason that isnt going to happen is if the fumbling doesnt stop.

 

[glock]

i see a McCoy for Revis trade on the horizon, a la Bailey for Portis from years ago. Yes, even though revis is coming off acl surgery. Trade makes sense for both teams.

You realize that this would be the death knell for McCoy's career, right? While Revis goes on to continue a long, productive career... :jetsfan:

 

[menobrown]

There is absolutely no reason the Eagles would even consider making a trade. Brown has special qualities and he is dirt cheap. Additionally, whoever is under center will probably need to lean heavily on the run game, so having two backs to turn to that offer different skill sets will be necessary. It will be interesting to see how the public perceives both of them come next draft season because while Brown looks like a more special talent McCoy is the established one and doesn't come with mental midget risk, curious whether that will be priced in for both of them./

Well there is a reason the would consider trading Brown and that's if they were properly compensated. It's not like they don't have needs. Fact is you don't see a lot of RB trades makes it seem less likely but it's also a weak year for the RB draft class. This does make next year extremely interesting. Are these two going to be like a Foster(McCoy)/Tate(Brown) with a sure #1 and high end #2 taking maybe getting 30% of the touches? I'm more inclined to think they end up as more of a true RBBC and used in more of a similar fashion to the Fred/Spiller combnly thing I feel certain about right now is McCoy's dynasty value has plummeted a great deal. I mean it's still high but before this I had McCoy rated as my #2 dynasty back behind Richardson.

Why? McCoy is a stud RB who has put up good to great numbers for multiple years, he is young, he just signed a new contract, and he was a high pick (2nd round). Brown is a 7th round pick who has put up two great games, has shown a propensity to fumble & doesn't have a high salary that "earns" him more playing time. This is almost the exact opposite of the FJax/Spiller situation. FJax was undrafted, while Spiller was a top-10 draft pick. Even though FJax outplayed Spiller for most of the last 2 years, Spiller was continually given opportunities to play, at least partially due to his high draft status.Brown will be retained (probably) because the Eagles (probably) won't get an offer that is enticing enough to trade him, but McCoy will remain the guy (or at least get the lion's share of a RBBC) because he is the higher draft pick, higher paid RB who is immensely talented in his own right.

Like how the Texans force feed Ben Tate the ball because he's a second rounder while Foster was undrafted.

 

[Bayhawks]

You left yourself no wiggle room with your absurd contention that there is a 0% chance that Brown becomes the feature back in Philly. This "stud" that you are talking about is having a long, multi-week recovery from a very serious concussion. "He should be fine for next year" is also an ignorant statement. I'd rather have a player break a leg than have a serious concussion in today's environment of hyper-sensitivity about head injuries.

You stick with your 0%. I'll stick with the notion that you have no clue. If you watched Brown's play the last two weeks and still think it is unlikely that he becomes a FF force, that speaks volumes. It has nothing to do with me wanting him to be anything. He has left no doubt that he has talent similar to that of the top few RB's in the NFL. It seems quite likely that a team in shambles will find a way to give him an opportunity moving forward.

You'll stick with the notion that I have no clue? Do you have reading comprehension issues? Here is my original post where I made the "0%" comment:

There is virtually 0% chance that Brown is the main RB in Philly next year, and I'd say a less than 5% chance that he is traded anywhere & becomes the main RB.

You do understand that by posting that there is "VIRTUALLY 0% chance" that I am leaving open the possibility (however slight) that Brown might be the main RB, don't you? So how exactly, did I leave myself "no wiggle room?" YOU are the one who keeps speaking in absolutes, with comments like:

they WILL find a way to get this guy touches.

and

Bryce Brown HAS to play.

Those definitive statements (which are probably based on your desire to see a WW pick up turn into a FF stud for you) leave "no wiggle room," and yet you ignorantly try to paint me with that brush.When you are ready to discuss the topic objectively, without your bias, I'll be happy to continue this discussion, otherwise, we can just bump this next year, when McCoy is recoverd from his concussion, starting, getting the majority of the RB touches, and when Bryce Brown is still in Philly as his backup (because that is the most likely outcome).

 

[Please See Mine]

as someone who has both mccoy and brown on both of his fantasy teams... I'd be fine with them giving shady the year off... but I see him coming back week 15 in a near 60-40 timeshare... There isn't really a reason to bench mccoy if he is cleared to play...nor is there a reason to go back to what had been a 90-10 split before the mccoy concussion since the eagles arent going anywhere.What I don't get is how he lasted til the 7th round?... he was a top High School prospect... sure he had big time character issues in college... but his talent is obvious to anyone who has watched the last 2 games. edit: looks like he wasnt invited to the combine, so props to the eagles staff for finding him.

He didn't just have issues in college, he was virtually absent from college football. Talent yes, but very little to look at since high school.

 

[Bayhawks]

There is absolutely no reason the Eagles would even consider making a trade. Brown has special qualities and he is dirt cheap. Additionally, whoever is under center will probably need to lean heavily on the run game, so having two backs to turn to that offer different skill sets will be necessary. It will be interesting to see how the public perceives both of them come next draft season because while Brown looks like a more special talent McCoy is the established one and doesn't come with mental midget risk, curious whether that will be priced in for both of them./

Well there is a reason the would consider trading Brown and that's if they were properly compensated. It's not like they don't have needs. Fact is you don't see a lot of RB trades makes it seem less likely but it's also a weak year for the RB draft class. This does make next year extremely interesting. Are these two going to be like a Foster(McCoy)/Tate(Brown) with a sure #1 and high end #2 taking maybe getting 30% of the touches? I'm more inclined to think they end up as more of a true RBBC and used in more of a similar fashion to the Fred/Spiller combnly thing I feel certain about right now is McCoy's dynasty value has plummeted a great deal. I mean it's still high but before this I had McCoy rated as my #2 dynasty back behind Richardson.

Why? McCoy is a stud RB who has put up good to great numbers for multiple years, he is young, he just signed a new contract, and he was a high pick (2nd round). Brown is a 7th round pick who has put up two great games, has shown a propensity to fumble & doesn't have a high salary that "earns" him more playing time. This is almost the exact opposite of the FJax/Spiller situation. FJax was undrafted, while Spiller was a top-10 draft pick. Even though FJax outplayed Spiller for most of the last 2 years, Spiller was continually given opportunities to play, at least partially due to his high draft status.Brown will be retained (probably) because the Eagles (probably) won't get an offer that is enticing enough to trade him, but McCoy will remain the guy (or at least get the lion's share of a RBBC) because he is the higher draft pick, higher paid RB who is immensely talented in his own right.

Like how the Texans force feed Ben Tate the ball because he's a second rounder while Foster was undrafted.

Yes, ignore all the other aspects of the post, and comment on 1 small part of it. Has Tate EVER put up the production that Foster has, over 1 season, much less multiple seasons? No, and that's why Foster continues to start over him. The Tate/Foster comparison is much more applicable to Brown/McCoy than Spiller/FJax. Foster is a stud RB who had a 2000+ YFS season before Tate ever played. In 2011, when Foster was dinged up, Tate put up some stud numbers while Foster was out. But Foster is still the bellcow, because he has demonstrated, OVER TIME, that he will be successful. McCoy is a stud RB who has put up back-to-back 1600+YFS seasons who has averaged 4.7 YPC over his career (7th among current RBs). He has demonstrated, OVER TIME, that he will be successful, and that is why, in all likelihood, he will remain the bellcow RB.

 

[cvnpoka]

eagles should def try to jettison mccoy and his big contract. brown is arguably the better back but is undoubtedly immensely better value for the money.

that team needs help throughout the roster, it is incredibly inefficient to not take advantage of this redundancy.

 

[I Love Your Fantasy Team]

McCoy owners getting uneasy in here.

 

[unckeyherb]

McCoy owners getting uneasy in here.

haha true story. I own both, so I don't really care either way but I said earlier that I'd be surprised if Shady is back this year. Foles has been made the starter for the rest of the year. They want to see what they have to work with and show what their talents are to potential coaches. Brown's fumbles are troubling, but not enough to wipe out his productivity. If you bring Shady back now you risk the possibility of him regaining concussion symptoms and potentially hurting his career as an Eagle, you don't make the playoffs and you get a high draft pick. If you don't bring back Shady, you get all of the above minus the risk. People's fantasy season's notwithstanding, I don't see much of an incentive to bring him back. And before people come in heaping the 'he's a professional and wants to play talk' I'll counter with 'he's a professional and wants to play and be able to sign another contract in 2017.' He also has an agent that I guarantee is whispering in his ear to take his time coming back.

 

[menobrown]

Yes, ignore all the other aspects of the post, and comment on 1 small part of it.

What else was there in all that drivel? You went on an on and on about the Eagles are going to play McCoy because he's the higher pick. That's all I got out of that and it was not hard to point out the fallacy of that argument. I don't know, you don't know, no one knows whats going to happen with this two Rb's next year. We don't even know who their coach is going to be. That's why I said it was interesting that they could be a Foster/Tate situation OR a Fred/Spiller but seem to be in a position to rule out the latter with the weak argument of draft status.Cheesedawg was right. They will find a way to get Brown his touches and he does have to play. He was dead right. But getting his touches might mean a 30% to Shadey's 70%.One last thing and I'm putting his to rest.Besides me already poking a giant hole in your "highest draft pick gets the playing time notion" there is another hole your theory. I do think the Eagles backfield is going to look more similar to Bills than Texans because of the styles of the RB's involved. Ben Tate can't do anything that Foster can't do. Tate's talented but no sure he does anything better than Foster. Spiller does some things better than Fred and vice versa. This is the case with the Eagles. Brown and McCoy are very different backs with Brown easily being the better power runner. It's a definite skill set difference that does not exist with the Houston backs.

 

[Mortimer Ichabod]

If you are sitting with the 1.1 2013 rookie pick, is that pick less valuable than Bryce Brown?

 

[SameSongNDance]

McCoy owners getting uneasy in here.

As a McCoy owner who doesnt own Brown in one league, Im not stupid enough to believe a role hasnt been carved out for Brown if and when McCoy returns. To those saying Brown is bettet than McCoy, youre nuts. Its week 14 and fresh legs always come into play during this time in the season. Anyone who has been apart of fantasy playoffs in the past knows this fact. Brown is good, no hes great, but I highly doubt hed be doing this well at this point of the season if he was touching the ball 20+ times since september.

 

[iamkoza]

eagles should def try to jettison mccoy and his big contract. brown is arguably the better back but is undoubtedly immensely better value for the money. that team needs help throughout the roster, it is incredibly inefficient to not take advantage of this redundancy.

why, they paid most of that contract upfront right? they are in perfect situation.. a great RB1... with a great backup who has proven he can play... and the backup makes next to nothing

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Good lord you people are drunk on Bryce Brown Kool Aid. Relax. Obviously he's great for people who grabbed him off the wire in redrafts, but McCoy is one of the best RBs in the league. Dynasty-wise Brown's best case is Michael Turner, where he'll need to be held through his rookie contract to provide regular ROI. I'm thrilled that I grabbed him in the 3rd in a bunch of leagues last spring and summer, but I'll be selling him to any panicky McCoy owner willing to cough up more than good handcuff value this coming offseason.

 

[I Am the Stig]

eagles should def try to jettison mccoy and his big contract. brown is arguably the better back but is undoubtedly immensely better value for the money. that team needs help throughout the roster, it is incredibly inefficient to not take advantage of this redundancy.

why, they paid most of that contract upfront right? they are in perfect situation.. a great RB1... with a great backup who has proven he can play... and the backup makes next to nothing

Although Brown has shown a propensity to jump ship. We know he can play, the Eagles now know he can play, and worse is Brown KNOWS he can play. This is a trainwreck in the making. One of them will likely need to be moved. They can dump McCoy's salary, and perhaps get some picks or a player of need or they can risk Brown sitting out being a knucklehead. Other than the fumbling, I don't see where McCoy is clearly better than Brown. The fact that Brown is used in all situations as well as the goaline tells me he is more well rounded than McCoy is. Brown makes the line better by hitting the holes and just getting to the second level while McCoy dances and forces the line to hold the blocks longer. Brown is the equivelent of a QB's 3 step drop compared to McCoy being more similar to a 5 step drop.

 

[unckeyherb]

McCoy owners getting uneasy in here.

As a McCoy owner who doesnt own Brown in one league, Im not stupid enough to believe a role hasnt been carved out for Brown if and when McCoy returns. To those saying Brown is bettet than McCoy, youre nuts. Its week 14 and fresh legs always come into play during this time in the season. Anyone who has been apart of fantasy playoffs in the past knows this fact. Brown is good, no hes great, but I highly doubt hed be doing this well at this point of the season if he was touching the ball 20+ times since september.

I will say though, as someone who has watched every single game that McCoy has played as a pro; watching Brown the last two weeks, I can honestly say there were flashes that he looked every bit as good as McCoy with lateral movement and vision..only faster and much more N-S once he decided on a lane.

 

[I Am the Stig]

McCoy owners getting uneasy in here.

As a McCoy owner who doesnt own Brown in one league, Im not stupid enough to believe a role hasnt been carved out for Brown if and when McCoy returns. To those saying Brown is bettet than McCoy, youre nuts. Its week 14 and fresh legs always come into play during this time in the season. Anyone who has been apart of fantasy playoffs in the past knows this fact. Brown is good, no hes great, but I highly doubt hed be doing this well at this point of the season if he was touching the ball 20+ times since september.

I will say though, as someone who has watched every single game that McCoy has played as a pro; watching Brown the last two weeks, I can honestly say there were flashes that he looked every bit as good as McCoy with lateral movement and vision..only faster and much more N-S once he decided on a lane.

I think everyone can agree that it is the end of time when we hear the phrase "we are going to go with the hot hand"

 

[cvnpoka]

eagles should def try to jettison mccoy and his big contract. brown is arguably the better back but is undoubtedly immensely better value for the money. that team needs help throughout the roster, it is incredibly inefficient to not take advantage of this redundancy.

why, they paid most of that contract upfront right? they are in perfect situation.. a great RB1... with a great backup who has proven he can play... and the backup makes next to nothing

bc they can maximize the utilization of assets by moving mccoy (or brown, tho i would assume they could get more value for mccoy.) they free up a bit of money to go after upgrades at other positions and they gain nice draft picks or players.

 

[LawFitz]

McCoy dynasty owners should be very nervous IMO. Brown looks more than legit. He looks elite.

 

[menobrown]

why, they paid most of that contract upfront right? they are in perfect situation.. a great RB1... with a great backup who has proven he can play... and the backup makes next to nothing

Signing bonus was relatively small at $8.5 million but they guaranteed the first few years of his deal so in theory he'd be easier to trade than if they had just paid him $20mill upfront. He's still very cheap next season, beginning in the 2014 season he'll start to get up to the $7-9 million per year range.From a cap perspective the Eagles would be worse if they traded McCoy this off season than if they keep him due to his low base next year and signing bonus acceleration. So while I don't think Brown is going to get moved it would not shock me. If McCoy got traded I'd be absolutely stunned. After the 2013 season things change, McCoy's base jumps and it at that point they'd realize a net cap gain if they moved him versus paying him. Not saying they would move him than, just pointing out that from a salary cap perspective it becomes more viable at that time especially if Brown is playing at a high level which is going to lead him wanting to get paid.For the 2013 season I would agree the Eagles have a great talent/cost situation at RB. Maybe the best in the league when you factor talent versus cost.

 

[snitwitch]

at what point do I consider starting this guy over CJ Spiller / T-Rich for my playoff run?

 

[menobrown]

at what point do I consider starting this guy over CJ Spiller / T-Rich for my playoff run?

Now over Spiller, never over Trent and never over any of them if/when McCoy returns this season.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

at what point do I consider starting this guy over CJ Spiller / T-Rich for my playoff run?

I'm planning to start over Spiller. (May end up throwing Spiller to my flex, but if I had to choose, I'd go Brown if McCoy's out)Brown's guaranteed 15 carries + catches + goalline work. Easy call to me with Fred Jackson in the picture.

 

[Amused to Death]

In terms of bringing McCoy back this week:

Have any RBs been held out more than a week due to concussion this year?

+ The Eagles might have actually won that game if McCoy was in there, due to the fumbles. Does that matter to the Eagles at this point?

Reid didn't seem too upset, just gave Brown a lil' attaboy pat on the helmet after his second one.

Eagles are playing for next year. No need to bring back McCoy or Vick to take a beating in 5 meaningless games. The players have quit as well. Just look at that pathetic defense. And they are the starters, not injury fill-ins.

Afe you serious with this? You do know that Andy Reid's job very likely won't be there next year, right? So how is he "playing for next year?" The only chance he has of coming back is if they show something these last few games which makes the Eagles give him one more chance (I don't think they'll bring him back, though). So, it makes no sense for Reid to "save" McCoy or Vick and "play for next year."

Well it appears Reid feels this way about Vick. Will they sit McCoy next?

 

[cvnpoka]

at what point do I consider starting this guy over CJ Spiller / T-Rich for my playoff run?

Now over Spiller, never over Trent and never over any of them if/when McCoy returns this season.

hes about on par with trent as the undisputed starter. its like, foster, peterson, rice in the top tier. then trich, doug and brown.

 

[Isotopes]

CBS is reporting that McCoy is now in stage 3 of the concussion testing;

McCoy in Phase 3 of recovery

LeSean McCoy, RB, PHI

News: Eagles coach Andy Reid told reporters Monday running back LeSean McCoy, who has missed the last two games with a concussion, is in Phase 3 of his recovery. Bryce Brown has replaced McCoy the last two games, totaling 347 yards and four touchdowns. However, he has fumbled four times, losing three.

Analysis: While Eagles quarterback Michael Vick has lost his starting job due to injury, it's hard to imagine McCoy suffering the same fate, even though Brown has been outstanding. Surely, the Eagles will find a way to use both players upon McCoy's return. Though, Brown's emergence has likely hurt McCoy's Fantasy appeal since he could see reduced touches once healthy. If McCoy returns Week 14 at Tampa Bay, then he would remain a viable Fantasy start. But it probably wouldn't hurt to temper expectations from where they were prior to McCoy getting hurt.

 

[Squintz82]

CBS is reporting that McCoy is now in stage 3 of the concussion testing;McCoy in Phase 3 of recoveryLeSean McCoy, RB, PHINews: Eagles coach Andy Reid told reporters Monday running back LeSean McCoy, who has missed the last two games with a concussion, is in Phase 3 of his recovery. Bryce Brown has replaced McCoy the last two games, totaling 347 yards and four touchdowns. However, he has fumbled four times, losing three.Analysis: While Eagles quarterback Michael Vick has lost his starting job due to injury, it's hard to imagine McCoy suffering the same fate, even though Brown has been outstanding. Surely, the Eagles will find a way to use both players upon McCoy's return. Though, Brown's emergence has likely hurt McCoy's Fantasy appeal since he could see reduced touches once healthy. If McCoy returns Week 14 at Tampa Bay, then he would remain a viable Fantasy start. But it probably wouldn't hurt to temper expectations from where they were prior to McCoy getting hurt.

As a Brown owner, I'm not worrying about that until he starts practicing. How many weeks was Vick on stage 4?

 

[DoubleG]

CBS is reporting that McCoy is now in stage 3 of the concussion testing;McCoy in Phase 3 of recoveryLeSean McCoy, RB, PHINews: Eagles coach Andy Reid told reporters Monday running back LeSean McCoy, who has missed the last two games with a concussion, is in Phase 3 of his recovery. Bryce Brown has replaced McCoy the last two games, totaling 347 yards and four touchdowns. However, he has fumbled four times, losing three.Analysis: While Eagles quarterback Michael Vick has lost his starting job due to injury, it's hard to imagine McCoy suffering the same fate, even though Brown has been outstanding. Surely, the Eagles will find a way to use both players upon McCoy's return. Though, Brown's emergence has likely hurt McCoy's Fantasy appeal since he could see reduced touches once healthy. If McCoy returns Week 14 at Tampa Bay, then he would remain a viable Fantasy start. But it probably wouldn't hurt to temper expectations from where they were prior to McCoy getting hurt.

As a Brown owner, I'm not worrying about that until he starts practicing. How many weeks was Vick on stage 4?

This. When both Vick and McCoy went down, many thought Vick was at least a week ahead of McCoy in terms of recovery - Vick is now out for the season and couldn't have played this week. While moving through the stages shows progress, it doesn't gaurantee anything in terms of a timetable.One of the stages required is a physical exertion test - McCoy can't even practice until he passes that.

 

[unckeyherb]

In terms of bringing McCoy back this week:

Have any RBs been held out more than a week due to concussion this year?

+ The Eagles might have actually won that game if McCoy was in there, due to the fumbles. Does that matter to the Eagles at this point?

Reid didn't seem too upset, just gave Brown a lil' attaboy pat on the helmet after his second one.

Eagles are playing for next year. No need to bring back McCoy or Vick to take a beating in 5 meaningless games. The players have quit as well. Just look at that pathetic defense. And they are the starters, not injury fill-ins.

Afe you serious with this? You do know that Andy Reid's job very likely won't be there next year, right? So how is he "playing for next year?" The only chance he has of coming back is if they show something these last few games which makes the Eagles give him one more chance (I don't think they'll bring him back, though). So, it makes no sense for Reid to "save" McCoy or Vick and "play for next year."

Well it appears Reid feels this way about Vick. Will they sit McCoy next?

Like I said earlier (in this one or one of the other 17 Bryce Brown threads) this is an Eagles team that effectively ended Brian Westbrook's career after bringing him back too soon after a concussion. I really don't think they will repeat that mistake. Getting through all the stages may take at least another week in addition to this one, then he'll need to practice. Shady should be ready to go by week 16, maybe 15. But, again, I have to ask myself, what is the positive takeaway to playing him at that point?I just don't see him being activated the rest of the year. one man's opinion.

 

[Bayhawks]

Yes, ignore all the other aspects of the post, and comment on 1 small part of it.

What else was there in all that drivel?

Do you also have reading comprehension issues?

Why? McCoy is a stud RB who has put up good to great numbers for multiple years, he is young, he just signed a new contract,and he was a high pick (2nd round)

I gave 4 reasons why McCoy isn't going to be replaced by Brown as starter, or be in a 50/50 split. You chose to comment on 1 (the least important), and ignore the other 3. I wonder why that is?

 

[Bayhawks]

Other than the fumbling, I don't see where McCoy is clearly better than Brown. The fact that Brown is used in all situations as well as the goaline tells me he is more well rounded than McCoy is.

McCoy is a better receiver, has more speed, more shiftiness, more elusiveness, and if you want to look up his goal-line stats, he's a damn fine short-yardage runner, as well.

 

[Amused to Death]

I gave 4 reasons why McCoy isn't going to be replaced by Brown as starter, or be in a 50/50 split. You chose to comment on 1 (the least important), and ignore the other 3. I wonder why that is?

First, there is no clear timetable for McCoy's return. If/when he does return, it most likely will be as the starter, but a 50/50 or 60/40 split is probable for the remainder of '12, imo. Reid has stated he wants the kid to work out his fumbling problems in game action and to "get used to being the guy".As others have stated, McCoy's short term value has taken a hit. And possibly his dynasty outlook if both remain in Philly.

 

[MCguidance]

Other than the fumbling, I don't see where McCoy is clearly better than Brown. The fact that Brown is used in all situations as well as the goaline tells me he is more well rounded than McCoy is.

McCoy is a better receiver, has more speed, more shiftiness, more elusiveness, and if you want to look up his goal-line stats, he's a damn fine short-yardage runner, as well.

I do think McCoy is a better receiver, has a bit more lateral agility, and perhaps can make more guys miss. However, I think Brown is every bit as fast, much bigger, better in short yardage, and can wear a defense down over time. He also holds he ball like a loaf of bread. I own only Brown, but is rather have McCoy when healthy, he proven it over a long period of time. That being said, Brown looks great.

 

[menobrown]

Yes, ignore all the other aspects of the post, and comment on 1 small part of it.

What else was there in all that drivel?

Do you also have reading comprehension issues?

Why? McCoy is a stud RB who has put up good to great numbers for multiple years, he is young, he just signed a new contract,and he was a high pick (2nd round)

I gave 4 reasons why McCoy isn't going to be replaced by Brown as starter, or be in a 50/50 split. You chose to comment on 1 (the least important), and ignore the other 3. I wonder why that is?

That's the drivel I spoke about earlier. He's not younger than Brown, has not been more productive than Brown this year and I already poked a giant hole in your draft pick/contract theory. What else was there to add?

Other than while on this lack of reading comprehension topic you might want to find where I mentioned it was a 50/50 split or suggested in anyway he was going to replace McCoy as the starter. I'll help you as you appear to need it. You won't find that because I never said it. The closest thing to these words you put in my mouth you will find was that I mused that this situation had the chance to turn into a Bills Fred/Spiller situation in other words I think it's entirely possibly, no make that probable, the Eagles realize they have two talented runners and decide to utilize them both instead of simply making one of them a pure backup.

ETA so make myself clear:

I see two notions in this thread, both on somewhat opposite ends of the spectrum,and I believe both to be off base.

The first notion is that Brown will supplant a healthy McCoy as the starter. Not happening, at least not next season.

The second notion is that when McCoy returns it's going to back to business as the way it was with McCoy dominating the RB touches. I believe this notion to be close to as off base as the previous one.

 

[I Am the Stig]

Other than the fumbling, I don't see where McCoy is clearly better than Brown. The fact that Brown is used in all situations as well as the goaline tells me he is more well rounded than McCoy is.

McCoy is a better receiver, has more speed, more shiftiness, more elusiveness, and if you want to look up his goal-line stats, he's a damn fine short-yardage runner, as well.

Speed is pretty much the same. It just depends on the numbers you believe. McCoys 40 times range from 4.25-4.5. The only 40 time for Brown I can find is 4.3. Both guys can truck.

But elusivness is more a style of running. But Brown is very elusive and just as fast in a bigger frame. Therefore he doesn't need to avoid contact.

Just an eyeball test, but Bryce just seems more decisive. It is no knock on McCoy, but Brown has put up numbers that McCoy hasn't seen this season and Brown is doing it with less a team than McCoy had when he was healthy. Brown just seems to be a more complete a back to me. He is as fast, elusive enough, can catch nearly as well, and can blow guys up when he needs to.

But look at all the RBs in the league, many are very different and many are successful.

 

[unckeyherb]

Other than the fumbling, I don't see where McCoy is clearly better than Brown. The fact that Brown is used in all situations as well as the goaline tells me he is more well rounded than McCoy is.

McCoy is a better receiver, has more speed, more shiftiness, more elusiveness, and if you want to look up his goal-line stats, he's a damn fine short-yardage runner, as well.

I disagree with just about everything you posted. I think McCoy may be a better receiver but brown has great hands as well. Brown looks faster to me, but again both have sub 4.4 times. Brown doesn't need to be shifty as he is a much better n-s runner. He has 4 tds in 2 games so its clear he has a nose for the endzone. He's putting up better numbers than McCoy has all year behind an even worse oline, with a rookie qb that no one respects yet and without the only weapon that would clear defenders over the top. Only my opinion but I think a lot if people in this thread are way off base saying he is a lesser RB than McCoy. Suffice it to say his sample size is admittedly small, but its also damn impressive.

 

[Coach3K]

With all the backfield comparisons, I'm surprised no one has brought up Priest/LJ. With Bryce's "unusual" history in college and his fumbling issues, I'd be afraid of problems coming up down the road.

Every situation's different, and people are looking for any semblence of historical precedence to predict future outcomes.

The fact is, we don't really know. I think that whatever happens in Philly, the team will realize they have a couple great assets that they can use and that they'll keep them both and try to keep them both happy somehow. If Philly were 9-3 now, instead of 3-9, they'd be pretty excited about having a Top 5 caliber talent to step in for Shady during a playoff run. I think too many people try to think about fantasy implications or imagine they are GM of their Madden team. These are both incredibly talented backs and if the Eagles want to have success in the near future, keeping both of them is a very solid way of doing that.

 

[Cheesedawg]

You left yourself no wiggle room with your absurd contention that there is a 0% chance that Brown becomes the feature back in Philly. This "stud" that you are talking about is having a long, multi-week recovery from a very serious concussion. "He should be fine for next year" is also an ignorant statement. I'd rather have a player break a leg than have a serious concussion in today's environment of hyper-sensitivity about head injuries.

You stick with your 0%. I'll stick with the notion that you have no clue. If you watched Brown's play the last two weeks and still think it is unlikely that he becomes a FF force, that speaks volumes. It has nothing to do with me wanting him to be anything. He has left no doubt that he has talent similar to that of the top few RB's in the NFL. It seems quite likely that a team in shambles will find a way to give him an opportunity moving forward.

You'll stick with the notion that I have no clue? Do you have reading comprehension issues? Here is my original post where I made the "0%" comment:

There is virtually 0% chance that Brown is the main RB in Philly next year, and I'd say a less than 5% chance that he is traded anywhere & becomes the main RB.

You do understand that by posting that there is "VIRTUALLY 0% chance" that I am leaving open the possibility (however slight) that Brown might be the main RB, don't you? So how exactly, did I leave myself "no wiggle room?" YOU are the one who keeps speaking in absolutes, with comments like:

they WILL find a way to get this guy touches.

and

Bryce Brown HAS to play.

Those definitive statements (which are probably based on your desire to see a WW pick up turn into a FF stud for you) leave "no wiggle room," and yet you ignorantly try to paint me with that brush.When you are ready to discuss the topic objectively, without your bias, I'll be happy to continue this discussion, otherwise, we can just bump this next year, when McCoy is recoverd from his concussion, starting, getting the majority of the RB touches, and when Bryce Brown is still in Philly as his backup (because that is the most likely outcome).

LMAO at an idiot who says 0% isn't 0!You cling to your concussed Shady and keep that head in the sand! Good luck with that.

 

[Bamac]

With all the backfield comparisons, I'm surprised no one has brought up Priest/LJ. With Bryce's "unusual" history in college and his fumbling issues, I'd be afraid of problems coming up down the road.Every situation's different, and people are looking for any semblence of historical precedence to predict future outcomes.The fact is, we don't really know. I think that whatever happens in Philly, the team will realize they have a couple great assets that they can use and that they'll keep them both and try to keep them both happy somehow. If Philly were 9-3 now, instead of 3-9, they'd be pretty excited about having a Top 5 caliber talent to step in for Shady during a playoff run. I think too many people try to think about fantasy implications or imagine they are GM of their Madden team. These are both incredibly talented backs and if the Eagles want to have success in the near future, keeping both of them is a very solid way of doing that.

Take your level-headed reasoning elsewhere. It's not welcome in these parts.

 

[Coach3K]

And of course this is a Fantasy board, so that's what people are thinking about - but I think it's affecting people's judgment on the issue. Brown owners want McCoy to stay out and will come up with lots of reasons why that should happen. McCoy owners will want him to return and will come up with lots of valid reasons why that should happen. Owners of both have their own biases.

How the Eagles actually make decisions, though, is based in reality and in whatever makes sense for the bottom line. The team will analyze things and make those decisions to help the team win, and they'd be well served by having multiple threats in the backfield to help mitigate the impact of injuries, especially since one of them is currently very cheap. All the wishful thinking in the world from fantasy owners won't change that.

 

[Bamac]

And of course this is a Fantasy board, so that's what people are thinking about - but I think it's affecting people's judgment on the issue. Brown owners want McCoy to stay out and will come up with lots of reasons why that should happen. McCoy owners will want him to return and will come up with lots of valid reasons why that should happen. Owners of both have their own biases.How the Eagles actually make decisions, though, is based in reality and in whatever makes sense for the bottom line. The team will analyze things and make those decisions to help the team win, and they'd be well served by having multiple threats in the backfield to help mitigate the impact of injuries, especially since one of them is currently very cheap. All the wishful thinking in the world from fantasy owners won't change that.

I asked you once nicely...

 

[BoomBoom]

Looking ahead, they play Sunday in Tampa and then have a short week as week 15 is Thursday night at home against the Bengals. If McCoy isn't ready to go Sunday (and isn't extremely close), it would be hard to imagine him being ready for action a few days later. I own both so no real interest either way...just picturing how it might play out.

 

[Coach3K]

And of course this is a Fantasy board, so that's what people are thinking about - but I think it's affecting people's judgment on the issue. Brown owners want McCoy to stay out and will come up with lots of reasons why that should happen. McCoy owners will want him to return and will come up with lots of valid reasons why that should happen. Owners of both have their own biases.How the Eagles actually make decisions, though, is based in reality and in whatever makes sense for the bottom line. The team will analyze things and make those decisions to help the team win, and they'd be well served by having multiple threats in the backfield to help mitigate the impact of injuries, especially since one of them is currently very cheap. All the wishful thinking in the world from fantasy owners won't change that.

I asked you once nicely...

Sorry Bamac. Brown owner here. McCoy is done...he's obviously going to be traded as soon as possible and Bryce will happily play out his 4-year, $2.15 million contract while putting up Top 5 numbers, saving the Eagles mega-cash over the next 3 years. He will never think about holding out or "walking away" from the table, since he's got a proven history of loyalty and dedication to his teams.Better?

 

[pantherclub]

Why would the Eagles even risk bringing McCoy back this season. It makes absolutely no sense.

 

[DoubleG]

With all the backfield comparisons, I'm surprised no one has brought up Priest/LJ. With Bryce's "unusual" history in college and his fumbling issues, I'd be afraid of problems coming up down the road.Every situation's different, and people are looking for any semblence of historical precedence to predict future outcomes.The fact is, we don't really know. I think that whatever happens in Philly, the team will realize they have a couple great assets that they can use and that they'll keep them both and try to keep them both happy somehow. If Philly were 9-3 now, instead of 3-9, they'd be pretty excited about having a Top 5 caliber talent to step in for Shady during a playoff run. I think too many people try to think about fantasy implications or imagine they are GM of their Madden team. These are both incredibly talented backs and if the Eagles want to have success in the near future, keeping both of them is a very solid way of doing that.

I think another comparison worth making is the LT2/"Burner" Turner one. It is very possible that Brown could stay on as a very talented backup before finally being traded in the next 2-3 years, to become a true #1 for another team. There are two major differences, IMHO in this situation though. First off, Turner always looked good in "mop up" duty - he was very rarely handed the reigns for several weeks at a time. In fact he only had 1 start in his first 4 seasons in the league. In that start, he rushed 15 times for 87 yards and 0 TDs - and lost 1 fumble. Brown's first start was a little more impressive...and his second equally so.Secondly, LT2 was not out due to injury...meaning the other factor here is McCoy's health moving forward. While it is encouraging that he has progressed to stage 3, we don't know how careful the Eagles want to be with him, nor do we know why it's taken him 2+ weeks to do so. Perhaps they are just being cautious - or it's possible that the injury might be more severe than originally thought. We should have a better idea when he starts practicing. That's usually the surest sign that his coming back is right around the corner.

 

[Cheesedawg]

There is absolutely no reason the Eagles would even consider making a trade. Brown has special qualities and he is dirt cheap. Additionally, whoever is under center will probably need to lean heavily on the run game, so having two backs to turn to that offer different skill sets will be necessary. It will be interesting to see how the public perceives both of them come next draft season because while Brown looks like a more special talent McCoy is the established one and doesn't come with mental midget risk, curious whether that will be priced in for both of them./

Well there is a reason the would consider trading Brown and that's if they were properly compensated. It's not like they don't have needs. Fact is you don't see a lot of RB trades makes it seem less likely but it's also a weak year for the RB draft class. This does make next year extremely interesting. Are these two going to be like a Foster(McCoy)/Tate(Brown) with a sure #1 and high end #2 taking maybe getting 30% of the touches? I'm more inclined to think they end up as more of a true RBBC and used in more of a similar fashion to the Fred/Spiller combnly thing I feel certain about right now is McCoy's dynasty value has plummeted a great deal. I mean it's still high but before this I had McCoy rated as my #2 dynasty back behind Richardson.

Why? McCoy is a stud RB who has put up good to great numbers for multiple years, he is young, he just signed a new contract, and he was a high pick (2nd round). Brown is a 7th round pick who has put up two great games, has shown a propensity to fumble & doesn't have a high salary that "earns" him more playing time. This is almost the exact opposite of the FJax/Spiller situation. FJax was undrafted, while Spiller was a top-10 draft pick. Even though FJax outplayed Spiller for most of the last 2 years, Spiller was continually given opportunities to play, at least partially due to his high draft status.Brown will be retained (probably) because the Eagles (probably) won't get an offer that is enticing enough to trade him, but McCoy will remain the guy (or at least get the lion's share of a RBBC) because he is the higher draft pick, higher paid RB who is immensely talented in his own right.

Like how the Texans force feed Ben Tate the ball because he's a second rounder while Foster was undrafted.

 

[Cheesedawg]

In terms of bringing McCoy back this week:

Have any RBs been held out more than a week due to concussion this year?

+ The Eagles might have actually won that game if McCoy was in there, due to the fumbles. Does that matter to the Eagles at this point?

Reid didn't seem too upset, just gave Brown a lil' attaboy pat on the helmet after his second one.

Eagles are playing for next year. No need to bring back McCoy or Vick to take a beating in 5 meaningless games. The players have quit as well. Just look at that pathetic defense. And they are the starters, not injury fill-ins.

Afe you serious with this? You do know that Andy Reid's job very likely won't be there next year, right? So how is he "playing for next year?" The only chance he has of coming back is if they show something these last few games which makes the Eagles give him one more chance (I don't think they'll bring him back, though). So, it makes no sense for Reid to "save" McCoy or Vick and "play for next year."

Well it appears Reid feels this way about Vick. Will they sit McCoy next?

Like I said earlier (in this one or one of the other 17 Bryce Brown threads) this is an Eagles team that effectively ended Brian Westbrook's career after bringing him back too soon after a concussion. I really don't think they will repeat that mistake. Getting through all the stages may take at least another week in addition to this one, then he'll need to practice. Shady should be ready to go by week 16, maybe 15. But, again, I have to ask myself, what is the positive takeaway to playing him at that point?I just don't see him being activated the rest of the year. one man's opinion.

I think you are correct, FWIW. They have plenty invested in McCoy with that big contract they gave him this year. First of all, I don't think he'll be cleared to play until week 16 at the absolute earliest because their week 15 game is only 10 days away and he hasn't even started taking the exercise tests yet. I doubt seriously he will be cleared at all this season by the doctors, but even if he is I can't imagine the Eagles putting him in position to suffer a second concussion at the very end of a lost season and jeopardize their investment. Plus they surely want to evaluate Brown fully so they can best consider their options in the off-season. The kid has barely played football in his career so the experience could be very beneficial in '13 and beyond.They would be negligent to gamble with McCoy's longterm outlook in week 16 or 17.

 

[Bayhawks]

You left yourself no wiggle room with your absurd contention that there is a 0% chance that Brown becomes the feature back in Philly. This "stud" that you are talking about is having a long, multi-week recovery from a very serious concussion. "He should be fine for next year" is also an ignorant statement. I'd rather have a player break a leg than have a serious concussion in today's environment of hyper-sensitivity about head injuries.

You stick with your 0%. I'll stick with the notion that you have no clue. If you watched Brown's play the last two weeks and still think it is unlikely that he becomes a FF force, that speaks volumes. It has nothing to do with me wanting him to be anything. He has left no doubt that he has talent similar to that of the top few RB's in the NFL. It seems quite likely that a team in shambles will find a way to give him an opportunity moving forward.

You'll stick with the notion that I have no clue? Do you have reading comprehension issues? Here is my original post where I made the "0%" comment:

There is virtually 0% chance that Brown is the main RB in Philly next year, and I'd say a less than 5% chance that he is traded anywhere & becomes the main RB.

You do understand that by posting that there is "VIRTUALLY 0% chance" that I am leaving open the possibility (however slight) that Brown might be the main RB, don't you? So how exactly, did I leave myself "no wiggle room?" YOU are the one who keeps speaking in absolutes, with comments like:

they WILL find a way to get this guy touches.

and

Bryce Brown HAS to play.

Those definitive statements (which are probably based on your desire to see a WW pick up turn into a FF stud for you) leave "no wiggle room," and yet you ignorantly try to paint me with that brush.When you are ready to discuss the topic objectively, without your bias, I'll be happy to continue this discussion, otherwise, we can just bump this next year, when McCoy is recoverd from his concussion, starting, getting the majority of the RB touches, and when Bryce Brown is still in Philly as his backup (because that is the most likely outcome).

LMAO at an idiot who says 0% isn't 0!You cling to your concussed Shady and keep that head in the sand! Good luck with that.

LMAO at the idiot who can't read, even though it's been pointed out to him twice.Hope this helps

Virtually means: for the most part; almost wholly; just about

So saying there is "virtually 0% chance" means it is extremely unlikely to happen.

Cue Lloyd Christmas "so you're saying there's a chance."

Never mind, strike that last part; you get confused easily.

 

[One]

Whoa Fellas..

No need in exchanging insults, especially when we're just making guesses.

Hug and make up.