Bryce Brown anything to see here? (1 Viewer)

[asuterlowe]

I loved the Mccoy was losing his job posts, the kid has earned some more touches but this is still Mccoy's backfield. When both are healthy I expect Mccoy to get 70 percent or more of the touches, if the kid continues to fumble that number will go up.

Don't think it's quite that simple.

McCoy signed a 6 year deal, but in essence, considering the guaranteed money and the contract structure, operates as a three year deal with about 21 of the 46 million guaranteed.

Reid has honestly and truly boned the Iggles with his last few drafts and his drafting in general the past half decade. A general soft metric real NFL GMs use is take the top 5 teams in the league and how many of your players would make those rosters. If the number is 40 percent or less, then you are looking at a 3 offseason + rebuild. Everyone is expendable in trade. You draft purely BPA. From 41 to 60 percent is a 2 offseason rebuild and you hold all your "blues" playing under market value conditions and attempt to trade or move on past any player, including former "blues" who fail to meet replacement level production. Here you draft BPA/Need depending on the relative strength of your division. Anything from 61 percent to higher is considered drafting for need and gap filling via free agency.

The Iggles IMHO are a three offseason overhaul. By the time the Iggles can reload talent to the point were they can fight it out with the Redskins and Cowboys and Giants in the NFC East ( a truly tough division, two big money teams and the other owned by essentially the Gambinos of the NFL), McCoy will have bypassed the practical useful life of his current contract and will be looking for market value, assuming health. With the new CBA, teams will try to reup their established "blues" out of their draft hopefully in year 3 in their slated four year rookie deals.

What I'm saying is McCoy will likely split duties with Brown in 2013, but if the Iggles draft well this offseason, including a new QB1 prospect, the sidebar of drafting well will mean Shady is most likely traded to be with another team in 2014. A team on the cusp or feels it's on the cusp of a ring.

As a fan, I love Shady. Looking at it from a personnel viewpoint, McCoy plays the skill position with the lowest positional value and has already had his bell rung hard, real hard, once. You don't win by paying elite players when they start to exit their "blue" status.

The benefit of drafting well is you get to choose from a larger range of opportunity costs. The drawback of drafting well is often many personnel decisions are made for you before you even get there.

I really hope more people think like this next year. If they do anything to fix that line, Mccoy in the early second is going to be a steal

 

[swidman]

Well, at least I got 25 points from the Cinci DST last night. It kind of balances out the Brown 4.9 score. I should have played Reggie Bush

 

[renesauz]

Anybody else think he's a good dynasty stash still?

Well, after the last 2 weeks we can easily say that McCoy's job is safe

Absolutely he is a good stash. Watched every snap of that game last night. There was nothing else there for Brown to pick up. Much like QB's, we give too much credit or blame for the stats of a player, and not enough of it to their team-mates and the gameplan. Brown has a long and bright career in front of him (provided he keeps his head on straight and addresses the fumbling issue)

 

[nb009]

Looks like ESPN.com fantasy is crediting him with the fumble again...

 

[FDC]

Looks like ESPN.com fantasy is crediting him with the fumble again...

Just rubbing it in at this point

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

yet they have foles credited with the fumble in the boxscore

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

lol flash in the pan

yup the cincy defenders were repeatedly in the backfield as soon as the ball was handed off because bryce is a flash in the pan!!!

you ppl have to be right about everything huh

 

[letter_j]

This hurts Bryce. Really gave me the stingers.

Definitely lost the playoffs for a good chunk of people.

... played well enough the first two games that people just could not bring themselves to bench him once the fantasy playoffs started.

 

[nb009]

yet they have foles credited with the fumble in the boxscore

Yeah, I don't get what that's all about (the credit to Brown). I'm guessing someone called ESPN and tricked them into manually changing it It will likely be re-credited to Foles by Sunday.

 

[Amused to Death]

Disclosure: I am not a Brown nor a McCoy owner in any league, any format...Just an Eagles homer.

If you have the roster space, I consider Brown a hold or a buy low. Andy/Marty are not committed to running the ball. I question how much they even spend on it in practice. I believe one of them was even quoted a few years ago about their perfect game and not needing to call a single running play.

One of the factors that may contribute to a poor running game is how predictable they are with their play calling. By that I include formation relative to down/distance. Maybe there's a reason defenders are in the backfield so often is that they know what play is coming. Face it, while a technically a pass play, every Eagles fan watching knew the shovel pass was coming because its the ONLY play they run out of a split backfield. Ever. Of course Cincy was all over it.

I would hold or buy low and see what kind of team they are next year. The only way there isn't another coaching staff running the team next year is if the world does, in fact, end on 12/21.

 

[devouredbychaos]

lol flash in the panyup the cincy defenders were repeatedly in the backfield as soon as the ball was handed off because bryce is a flash in the pan!!!you ppl have to be right about everything huh

2 big games and 2 complete duds. I'd consider that a flash in the pan.

 

[Warhogs]

Whew. I pulled him from my starting lineup yesterday. I had too many other options to consider and did not feel good about any Philly player in a game that was pretty important to Cincy.

Brown looks like a decent stash in dynasty but he needs to correct the fumbling and Philly needs an overhaul for Brown to have any long term value.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Disclosure: I am not a Brown nor a McCoy owner in any league, any format...Just an Eagles homer.If you have the roster space, I consider Brown a hold or a buy low. Andy/Marty are not committed to running the ball. I question how much they even spend on it in practice. I believe one of them was even quoted a few years ago about their perfect game and not needing to call a single running play. One of the factors that may contribute to a poor running game is how predictable they are with their play calling. By that I include formation relative to down/distance. Maybe there's a reason defenders are in the backfield so often is that they know what play is coming. Face it, while a technically a pass play, every Eagles fan watching knew the shovel pass was coming because its the ONLY play they run out of a split backfield. Ever. Of course Cincy was all over it.I would hold or buy low and see what kind of team they are next year. The only way there isn't another coaching staff running the team next year is if the world does, in fact, end on 12/21.

Agree with everything except Brown being a buy low - his price is still pretty inflated in my leagues, as with any rookie RB who flashes potential. Brown is a good young handcuff at this point, in the Bernard Pierce type range. IMO McCoy is the true buy low - he's still a top talent at RB, and the off year, the injury, and the Brown hype mean you can likely get him at less than franchise player prices.

 

[Sarnoff]

Anybody else think he's a good dynasty stash still?

Well, after the last 2 weeks we can easily say that McCoy's job is safe

Absolutely he is a good stash. Watched every snap of that game last night. There was nothing else there for Brown to pick up. Much like QB's, we give too much credit or blame for the stats of a player, and not enough of it to their team-mates and the gameplan. Brown has a long and bright career in front of him (provided he keeps his head on straight and addresses the fumbling issue)

Great stash if Reid is gone.

 

[Sabertooth]

I loved the Mccoy was losing his job posts, the kid has earned some more touches but this is still Mccoy's backfield. When both are healthy I expect Mccoy to get 70 percent or more of the touches, if the kid continues to fumble that number will go up.

Don't think it's quite that simple.

McCoy signed a 6 year deal, but in essence, considering the guaranteed money and the contract structure, operates as a three year deal with about 21 of the 46 million guaranteed.

Reid has honestly and truly boned the Iggles with his last few drafts and his drafting in general the past half decade. A general soft metric real NFL GMs use is take the top 5 teams in the league and how many of your players would make those rosters. If the number is 40 percent or less, then you are looking at a 3 offseason + rebuild. Everyone is expendable in trade. You draft purely BPA. From 41 to 60 percent is a 2 offseason rebuild and you hold all your "blues" playing under market value conditions and attempt to trade or move on past any player, including former "blues" who fail to meet replacement level production. Here you draft BPA/Need depending on the relative strength of your division. Anything from 61 percent to higher is considered drafting for need and gap filling via free agency.

The Iggles IMHO are a three offseason overhaul. By the time the Iggles can reload talent to the point were they can fight it out with the Redskins and Cowboys and Giants in the NFC East ( a truly tough division, two big money teams and the other owned by essentially the Gambinos of the NFL), McCoy will have bypassed the practical useful life of his current contract and will be looking for market value, assuming health. With the new CBA, teams will try to reup their established "blues" out of their draft hopefully in year 3 in their slated four year rookie deals.

What I'm saying is McCoy will likely split duties with Brown in 2013, but if the Iggles draft well this offseason, including a new QB1 prospect, the sidebar of drafting well will mean Shady is most likely traded to be with another team in 2014. A team on the cusp or feels it's on the cusp of a ring.

As a fan, I love Shady. Looking at it from a personnel viewpoint, McCoy plays the skill position with the lowest positional value and has already had his bell rung hard, real hard, once. You don't win by paying elite players when they start to exit their "blue" status.

The benefit of drafting well is you get to choose from a larger range of opportunity costs. The drawback of drafting well is often many personnel decisions are made for you before you even get there.

I really hope more people think like this next year. If they do anything to fix that line, Mccoy in the early second is going to be a steal

+1

 

[Deflinkin]

Staring at this turd in my flex getting 5.8 points for 2 days has been hell.

Rice and Beast Mode are going to have to make up a whole hell of a lot tomorrow.

 

[avina1]

Staring at this turd in my flex getting 5.8 points for 2 days has been hell.Rice and Beast Mode are going to have to make up a whole hell of a lot tomorrow.

Right there with you man... and now I feel like I have to bench either Moreno or Lynch to get Wilson in there as he's on my bench, and there ain't no way I'm benching Lynch.

 

[SteelerMurf]

OK, so if McCoy is OUT week 16, anyone gonna start him?

He gets nearly all the touches, in a horrible game last week he still got 4.5pts which is more than Rice, Charles, Martin, D.Thomas, Wayne, Cruz, D.Alexander...and probably a few others

I like starting RBs at flex especially when they are the goalline back. Reid is not going to bench him for fumbles, he wants to get him as much experience as possible because of lack of touches in college (this is a summary of what he said)

I think 50 yard and a TD minimum this week.

 

[Squintz82]

OK, so if McCoy is OUT week 16, anyone gonna start him?He gets nearly all the touches, in a horrible game last week he still got 4.5pts which is more than Rice, Charles, Martin, D.Thomas, Wayne, Cruz, D.Alexander...and probably a few othersI like starting RBs at flex especially when they are the goalline back. Reid is not going to bench him for fumbles, he wants to get him as much experience as possible because of lack of touches in college (this is a summary of what he said)I think 50 yard and a TD minimum this week.

I think it depends what you need out of him. I am lucky enough to start him as a flex behind Rice and Forte. It's hard to resist someone at flex who gets as many opportunities as he does.

 

[billmatic]

OK, so if McCoy is OUT week 16, anyone gonna start him?He gets nearly all the touches, in a horrible game last week he still got 4.5pts which is more than Rice, Charles, Martin, D.Thomas, Wayne, Cruz, D.Alexander...and probably a few othersI like starting RBs at flex especially when they are the goalline back. Reid is not going to bench him for fumbles, he wants to get him as much experience as possible because of lack of touches in college (this is a summary of what he said)I think 50 yard and a TD minimum this week.

That's a pretty optimistic minimum considering he's done significantly worse than that the last 2 weeks, and he's playing another top 10 run defense this week.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

OK, so if McCoy is OUT week 16, anyone gonna start him?He gets nearly all the touches, in a horrible game last week he still got 4.5pts which is more than Rice, Charles, Martin, D.Thomas, Wayne, Cruz, D.Alexander...and probably a few others

Martin's scored 20+ FP in 3 of his last 4 home games. And scored no less than 14.9 in his last 6. STL allowed 10th most RB FP.-------------------Martin's production at home usually coincides with Freeman being a passable QB at home so teams can't stack 8 in the box every play (12/2 TD/Int, 101 Rating 58% completion @ Home; 12/10, 72 and 51% on Road)No way I could bench Martin for Brown. Brown is a good flex play.

 

[mikel0254]

OK, so if McCoy is OUT week 16, anyone gonna start him?He gets nearly all the touches, in a horrible game last week he still got 4.5pts which is more than Rice, Charles, Martin, D.Thomas, Wayne, Cruz, D.Alexander...and probably a few othersI like starting RBs at flex especially when they are the goalline back. Reid is not going to bench him for fumbles, he wants to get him as much experience as possible because of lack of touches in college (this is a summary of what he said)I think 50 yard and a TD minimum this week.

Per Rotoworld:LeSean McCoy (concussion) will start Sunday's game against the Redskins.Unlike Michael Vick, McCoy is a core piece of the Eagles' future. So now that he's gained full clearance from the Eagles' doctors and an independent neurologist, he's reclaiming his starting job. Rookie Bryce Brown will be mixed in as a change-of-pace back, likely for at least eight touches. McCoy should be plenty fresh after sitting out the last four games, putting him on the RB2 radar over the final two weeks. He was averaging 98.5 total yards per game before going down.

 

[SteelerMurf]

OK, so if McCoy is OUT week 16, anyone gonna start him?He gets nearly all the touches, in a horrible game last week he still got 4.5pts which is more than Rice, Charles, Martin, D.Thomas, Wayne, Cruz, D.Alexander...and probably a few others

Martin's scored 20+ FP in 3 of his last 4 home games. And scored no less than 14.9 in his last 6. STL allowed 10th most RB FP.-------------------Martin's production at home usually coincides with Freeman being a passable QB at home so teams can't stack 8 in the box every play (12/2 TD/Int, 101 Rating 58% completion @ Home; 12/10, 72 and 51% on Road)No way I could bench Martin for Brown. Brown is a good flex play.

LOL you misunderstood, I was just doing a comparison to show how many duds there were last week to put BB's performance in perspective

 

[Bayhawks]

I gave 4 reasons why McCoy isn't going to be replaced by Brown as starter, or be in a 50/50 split. You chose to comment on 1 (the least important), and ignore the other 3. I wonder why that is?

First, there is no clear timetable for McCoy's return. If/when he does return, it most likely will be as the starter, but a 50/50 or 60/40 split is probable for the remainder of '12, imo. Reid has stated he wants the kid to work out his fumbling problems in game action and to "get used to being the guy".As others have stated, McCoy's short term value has taken a hit. And possibly his dynasty outlook if both remain in Philly.

Brown-4 touches, McCoy-22. Not even close to 60/40. It's a good idea to not bench against the stud, All-Pro RB for a rookie who has a few good games.

 

[Bayhawks]

You left yourself no wiggle room with your absurd contention that there is a 0% chance that Brown becomes the feature back in Philly. This "stud" that you are talking about is having a long, multi-week recovery from a very serious concussion. "He should be fine for next year" is also an ignorant statement. I'd rather have a player break a leg than have a serious concussion in today's environment of hyper-sensitivity about head injuries.

You stick with your 0%. I'll stick with the notion that you have no clue. If you watched Brown's play the last two weeks and still think it is unlikely that he becomes a FF force, that speaks volumes. It has nothing to do with me wanting him to be anything. He has left no doubt that he has talent similar to that of the top few RB's in the NFL. It seems quite likely that a team in shambles will find a way to give him an opportunity moving forward.

You'll stick with the notion that I have no clue? Do you have reading comprehension issues? Here is my original post where I made the "0%" comment:

There is virtually 0% chance that Brown is the main RB in Philly next year, and I'd say a less than 5% chance that he is traded anywhere & becomes the main RB.

You do understand that by posting that there is "VIRTUALLY 0% chance" that I am leaving open the possibility (however slight) that Brown might be the main RB, don't you? So how exactly, did I leave myself "no wiggle room?" YOU are the one who keeps speaking in absolutes, with comments like:

they WILL find a way to get this guy touches.

and

Bryce Brown HAS to play.

Those definitive statements (which are probably based on your desire to see a WW pick up turn into a FF stud for you) leave "no wiggle room," and yet you ignorantly try to paint me with that brush.When you are ready to discuss the topic objectively, without your bias, I'll be happy to continue this discussion, otherwise, we can just bump this next year, when McCoy is recoverd from his concussion, starting, getting the majority of the RB touches, and when Bryce Brown is still in Philly as his backup (because that is the most likely outcome).

LMAO at an idiot who says 0% isn't 0!You cling to your concussed Shady and keep that head in the sand! Good luck with that.

LMAO at the idiot who can't read, even though it's been pointed out to him twice.Hope this helps

Virtually means: for the most part; almost wholly; just about

So saying there is "virtually 0% chance" means it is extremely unlikely to happen.

Cue Lloyd Christmas "so you're saying there's a chance."

Never mind, strike that last part; you get confused easily.

BTW-as for your stupid belief (hope) that the Eagles "WILL find a way to get this guy touches;" he got FOUR. That's up from the 3.67 he was averaging before McCoy's concussion. This is in McCoy's 1st game back from a concussion (where you might expect him to get less touches), and in a game where the Eagles are out of the playoffs (where you might expect them to take a look at guys to see how they might be able to help in the future). I think it's pretty safe to say that you read this situation completely wrong, and don't have any idea what you are talking about.

 

[az_prof]

I gave 4 reasons why McCoy isn't going to be replaced by Brown as starter, or be in a 50/50 split. You chose to comment on 1 (the least important), and ignore the other 3. I wonder why that is?

First, there is no clear timetable for McCoy's return. If/when he does return, it most likely will be as the starter, but a 50/50 or 60/40 split is probable for the remainder of '12, imo. Reid has stated he wants the kid to work out his fumbling problems in game action and to "get used to being the guy".As others have stated, McCoy's short term value has taken a hit. And possibly his dynasty outlook if both remain in Philly.

Brown-4 touches, McCoy-22. Not even close to 60/40. It's a good idea to not bench against the stud, All-Pro RB for a rookie who has a few good games.

Brown is a good handcuff for McCoy. Someone else likened his value to Pierce who is also a good backup with upside behind Rice, and that sounds about right to me.

 

[Amused to Death]

I gave 4 reasons why McCoy isn't going to be replaced by Brown as starter, or be in a 50/50 split. You chose to comment on 1 (the least important), and ignore the other 3. I wonder why that is?

First, there is no clear timetable for McCoy's return. If/when he does return, it most likely will be as the starter, but a 50/50 or 60/40 split is probable for the remainder of '12, imo. Reid has stated he wants the kid to work out his fumbling problems in game action and to "get used to being the guy".As others have stated, McCoy's short term value has taken a hit. And possibly his dynasty outlook if both remain in Philly.

Brown-4 touches, McCoy-22. Not even close to 60/40. It's a good idea to not bench against the stud, All-Pro RB for a rookie who has a few good games.

You waited 3 weeks for a call-out post. Nice. Hope you started McCoy today.For the record, Reid said this week that McCoy wouldn't have his normal workload this week as he was coming off an injury.

 

[Bayhawks]

I gave 4 reasons why McCoy isn't going to be replaced by Brown as starter, or be in a 50/50 split. You chose to comment on 1 (the least important), and ignore the other 3. I wonder why that is?

First, there is no clear timetable for McCoy's return. If/when he does return, it most likely will be as the starter, but a 50/50 or 60/40 split is probable for the remainder of '12, imo. Reid has stated he wants the kid to work out his fumbling problems in game action and to "get used to being the guy".As others have stated, McCoy's short term value has taken a hit. And possibly his dynasty outlook if both remain in Philly.

Brown-4 touches, McCoy-22. Not even close to 60/40. It's a good idea to not bench against the stud, All-Pro RB for a rookie who has a few good games.

You waited 3 weeks for a call-out post. Nice. Hope you started McCoy today.For the record, Reid said this week that McCoy wouldn't have his normal workload this week as he was coming off an injury.

When was I supposed to make this post? McCoy just got cleared this week, and (as I believed all along), as soon as he was cleared, he went back to his old role: RB1, getting the vast majority of the RB touches.YOU were the one who insisted that Reid wouldn't rush him back, that Reid no longer had the power to make those decisions (the GM would over-rule him), and that Brown had earned a 50/50 (40/60, at worst in your words) RBBC when McCoy returned.

YOU chose to get dazzled by the rookie's big games against week Defenses.

YOU chose to ignore the facts: which are that until Reid is fired, he has final say in all personel decisions, and that he doesn't typically do RBBC.

But until McCoy was cleared, there was nothing to post about. Until they played the 1st game after he was cleared, we wouldn't know whether you were right, or if I was.

Now we know that YOU were wrong on all counts.

BTW-I assume you follow the Eagles, and therefore, you should be well aware that Reid often says one thing and doesn't follow through on it. He's very good at saying what needs to be said, and then doing whatever he damn well thinks is right, regardless of what he said or didn't say previously.

 

[Amused to Death]

I gave 4 reasons why McCoy isn't going to be replaced by Brown as starter, or be in a 50/50 split. You chose to comment on 1 (the least important), and ignore the other 3. I wonder why that is?

First, there is no clear timetable for McCoy's return. If/when he does return, it most likely will be as the starter, but a 50/50 or 60/40 split is probable for the remainder of '12, imo. Reid has stated he wants the kid to work out his fumbling problems in game action and to "get used to being the guy".As others have stated, McCoy's short term value has taken a hit. And possibly his dynasty outlook if both remain in Philly.

Brown-4 touches, McCoy-22. Not even close to 60/40. It's a good idea to not bench against the stud, All-Pro RB for a rookie who has a few good games.

You waited 3 weeks for a call-out post. Nice. Hope you started McCoy today.For the record, Reid said this week that McCoy wouldn't have his normal workload this week as he was coming off an injury.

When was I supposed to make this post? McCoy just got cleared this week, and (as I believed all along), as soon as he was cleared, he went back to his old role: RB1, getting the vast majority of the RB touches.YOU were the one who insisted that Reid wouldn't rush him back, that Reid no longer had the power to make those decisions (the GM would over-rule him), and that Brown had earned a 50/50 (40/60, at worst in your words) RBBC when McCoy returned.

YOU chose to get dazzled by the rookie's big games against week Defenses.

YOU chose to ignore the facts: which are that until Reid is fired, he has final say in all personel decisions, and that he doesn't typically do RBBC.

But until McCoy was cleared, there was nothing to post about. Until they played the 1st game after he was cleared, we wouldn't know whether you were right, or if I was.

Now we know that YOU were wrong on all counts.

BTW-I assume you follow the Eagles, and therefore, you should be well aware that Reid often says one thing and doesn't follow through on it. He's very good at saying what needs to be said, and then doing whatever he damn well thinks is right, regardless of what he said or didn't say previously.

You win.I honestly believe McCoy was held out longer than he would have if the Eagles were in a serious playoff push. This was most likely Reid's last home game. I think that's why McCoy was cleared to play this week.

Vick has been cleared, yet has been demoted to QB3 so Foles can play. I never professed to know what they were going to do; just what most Eagles fans wanted him to do.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Bryce Brown said his goal for the 2014 season is to be a No. 1 running back.
"That's obviously a goal of mine going into next year. I think I can," Brown said. "That's what I'm going to be working toward, whether I'm here or I'm somewhere else." That's obviously not going to happen in Philadelphia with LeSean McCoy entrenched as the starter. Brown has been a massive disappointment in coach Chip Kelly's offense, but a senior NFL scout believes Brown "has all of the tools to be an every-down back." Chris Polk has passed Brown on the depth chart in Philly, but the Eagles aren't going to simply cut 22-year-old Brown.

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

 

[Late225]

Rotoworld:

Bryce Brown said his goal for the 2014 season is to be a No. 1 running back.
"That's obviously a goal of mine going into next year. I think I can," Brown said. "That's what I'm going to be working toward, whether I'm here or I'm somewhere else." That's obviously not going to happen in Philadelphia with LeSean McCoy entrenched as the starter. Brown has been a massive disappointment in coach Chip Kelly's offense, but a senior NFL scout believes Brown "has all of the tools to be an every-down back." Chris Polk has passed Brown on the depth chart in Philly, but the Eagles aren't going to simply cut 22-year-old Brown.

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

Last time I draft a backup running back in redraft. I don't know what I was thinking - wasted a pick there.

 

[unckeyherb]

Rotoworld:

Bryce Brown said his goal for the 2014 season is to be a No. 1 running back.
"That's obviously a goal of mine going into next year. I think I can," Brown said. "That's what I'm going to be working toward, whether I'm here or I'm somewhere else." That's obviously not going to happen in Philadelphia with LeSean McCoy entrenched as the starter. Brown has been a massive disappointment in coach Chip Kelly's offense, but a senior NFL scout believes Brown "has all of the tools to be an every-down back." Chris Polk has passed Brown on the depth chart in Philly, but the Eagles aren't going to simply cut 22-year-old Brown.

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

Last time I draft a backup running back in redraft. I don't know what I was thinking - wasted a pick there.

He was taken obscenely early in my draft (forget where, but I remember thinking the dude was nuts) so I didn't get him, but he was definitely on my radar. Started him for every one of his big games last year and thought that Chip would be able to use his speed this year. swingandamiss

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Eagles blogger Sheil Kapadia believes Chris Polk has a better shot at the No. 2 RB job than Bryce Brown in 2014.

Brown had an alarmingly disappointing season in 2013. Continuing to try to bounce virtually every run outside, he was stuffed for no gain or a loss 15 times on just 75 carries. If not for one 65-yard run against the Bears' historically bad rush defense, he would have averaged just 3.36 YPC despite running behind one of the game's premier offensive lines. Brown has plenty of game-breaking talent, but he might not be a fit for Chip Kelly. A trade ahead of May's draft would make sense.

Related: Chris Polk

Source: Philly Mag: Birds 24/7

 

[DaveL]

Bryce Brown traded to the Bills, Spiller/FJax in last year of their contracts...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hello:

Bills acquired RB Bryce Brown from the Eagles in exchange for a conditional 2015 fourth-round pick.

- RW

 

[werdnoynek]

I like this.

 

[Bayhawks]

Re-read this thread after it was bumped today.

Amazing that some people were actually predicting that Brown was going to be in a 50/50 split with McCoy. Same people that see 3rd, 4th, 5th (and later) round draft picks who are going to supplant legitimate NFL starters.

If you own Brown, find one of these guys and trade him now. Someone is sure to think that Brown is going to supplant one (or both) of FJax and/or Spiller, when in reality, he was a depth pick (based on FJax's age and Spiller's injury last year). I think that, at best (barring 1-2 injuries), Brown becomes the lesser part of a RBBC with Spiller (assuming FJax's age finally catches up to him)

 

[karmarooster]

Re-read this thread after it was bumped today.

Amazing that some people were actually predicting that Brown was going to be in a 50/50 split with McCoy. Same people that see 3rd, 4th, 5th (and later) round draft picks who are going to supplant legitimate NFL starters.

If you own Brown, find one of these guys and trade him now. Someone is sure to think that Brown is going to supplant one (or both) of FJax and/or Spiller, when in reality, he was a depth pick (based on FJax's age and Spiller's injury last year). I think that, at best (barring 1-2 injuries), Brown becomes the lesser part of a RBBC with Spiller (assuming FJax's age finally catches up to him)

Buffalo had 546 rushing attempts last year, almost 10% more than the 2nd and 3rd place SF and Seattle. Spiller has never had more than about 200 carries in a season (202 and 207 the last two years). Even if he bumps up to ~250, there's still another 250-300 carries in the design of the offense. Fred Jackson is 33 years old. There's room for Brown to have value as Spiller's backup either in 2014 if Fjax is hurt/too old/or gone, and certainly in 2015.

I drafted Bryce in the 20th round of a start up earlier this year, and he's 22 turning 23 in a few days, with 2x by 150+ yard and 2 TD games under his belt. I'd expect him to go somewhere in the 10-15th round range now.

Brown doesn't need to 'supplant' Spiller as a starter to have value... I'd say his value has already jumped a bit due to the trade, but could easily jump more if Fjax goes down in 2014, and certainly in 2015.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Bills acquired RB Bryce Brown from the Eagles in exchange for a conditional 2015 fourth-round pick.
The teams also swapped 2014 seventh-round picks. Brown gets out of Philadelphia, where coach Chip Kelly wasn't particularly high on him. Brown has plenty of juice and running talent but has a tendency to bounce everything outside. In 32 games with the Eagles the past two seasons, he's rushed for 878 yards and six touchdowns on 190 carries (4.6 YPC). Fred Jackson is in the final year of his deal, while C.J. Spiller can opt out of his rookie contract next spring. Brown will serve as depth this season but could be in line for a bigger role come 2015.

Related: Eagles

 

[ffgiant]

Running backs are playing musical chairs for NFL teams. Unless you got a top talent, they are not much different from the next guy in line.

 

[Koya]

Well, that sucks

 

[Bayhawks]

Re-read this thread after it was bumped today.

Amazing that some people were actually predicting that Brown was going to be in a 50/50 split with McCoy. Same people that see 3rd, 4th, 5th (and later) round draft picks who are going to supplant legitimate NFL starters.

If you own Brown, find one of these guys and trade him now. Someone is sure to think that Brown is going to supplant one (or both) of FJax and/or Spiller, when in reality, he was a depth pick (based on FJax's age and Spiller's injury last year). I think that, at best (barring 1-2 injuries), Brown becomes the lesser part of a RBBC with Spiller (assuming FJax's age finally catches up to him)

Buffalo had 546 rushing attempts last year, almost 10% more than the 2nd and 3rd place SF and Seattle. Spiller has never had more than about 200 carries in a season (202 and 207 the last two years). Even if he bumps up to ~250, there's still another 250-300 carries in the design of the offense. Fred Jackson is 33 years old. There's room for Brown to have value as Spiller's backup either in 2014 if Fjax is hurt/too old/or gone, and certainly in 2015.

I drafted Bryce in the 20th round of a start up earlier this year, and he's 22 turning 23 in a few days, with 2x by 150+ yard and 2 TD games under his belt. I'd expect him to go somewhere in the 10-15th round range now.

Brown doesn't need to 'supplant' Spiller as a starter to have value... I'd say his value has already jumped a bit due to the trade, but could easily jump more if Fjax goes down in 2014, and certainly in 2015.

Sure, they had 546 rushing attempts last year, IF you include the QB and WR rushes. Since Brown is unlikely to play either QB or WR, it doesn't make much sense to include their totals in this discussion.

With regards to RBs, Spiller had 201 (while dinged/hurt much of the year), FJax had 207, and the rest of the RBs totals 47 (and another 11 receptions).

I don't see Brown getting much more than 75 rushes and 5-10 catches, unless one of the 2 RBs ahead of him get hurt. He is, FF speaking, a handcuff. If you draft him, you are protecting yourself against an injury to the Buff RB(s) that you own, or you are "hoping" for an injury to one of the other two.

Barring injury, Brown doesn't have an FF value, beyond that of an insurance policy/trade bait.

 

[karmarooster]

SF and Seattle had (more than) their fair share of QB scrambles and WR rushes as well... and Buffalo had about 40 more rushes on the year than either of them. Buffalo has an underrated defense, and a coach who wants to mimic Chip Kelley with a hurry-up, run-first offense 'till they puke.'

It sounds like you're coming at this issue from a re-draft POV ("He's just a handcuff") and I'm approaching it from dynasty ("a 22 year old highly recruited RB who has demonstrated past success in the NFL with a clear path to relevance either in 2014 due to injury of a 33 year old RB or an injury prone Spiller, or in 2015 due to a 34 year old RB and Spiller with his option to walk").

For perspective, Bryce Brown is still younger than the following rookies:

Charles Sims

Terrance West

And roughly the same age as:

Hyde

Freeman
White

Seastrunk

A. Williams

 

[Bracie Smathers]

KC Joyner@KCJoynerTFS · 3h

Bryce Brown was second in the league in GBYPA in 2012. Bills were 4th in GBR in 2013. Potentially high-impact FFB combo.

 

[renesauz]

Re-read this thread after it was bumped today.

Amazing that some people were actually predicting that Brown was going to be in a 50/50 split with McCoy. Same people that see 3rd, 4th, 5th (and later) round draft picks who are going to supplant legitimate NFL starters.

If you own Brown, find one of these guys and trade him now. Someone is sure to think that Brown is going to supplant one (or both) of FJax and/or Spiller, when in reality, he was a depth pick (based on FJax's age and Spiller's injury last year). I think that, at best (barring 1-2 injuries), Brown becomes the lesser part of a RBBC with Spiller (assuming FJax's age finally catches up to him)

Buffalo had 546 rushing attempts last year, almost 10% more than the 2nd and 3rd place SF and Seattle. Spiller has never had more than about 200 carries in a season (202 and 207 the last two years). Even if he bumps up to ~250, there's still another 250-300 carries in the design of the offense. Fred Jackson is 33 years old. There's room for Brown to have value as Spiller's backup either in 2014 if Fjax is hurt/too old/or gone, and certainly in 2015.

I drafted Bryce in the 20th round of a start up earlier this year, and he's 22 turning 23 in a few days, with 2x by 150+ yard and 2 TD games under his belt. I'd expect him to go somewhere in the 10-15th round range now.

Brown doesn't need to 'supplant' Spiller as a starter to have value... I'd say his value has already jumped a bit due to the trade, but could easily jump more if Fjax goes down in 2014, and certainly in 2015.

Sure, they had 546 rushing attempts last year, IF you include the QB and WR rushes. Since Brown is unlikely to play either QB or WR, it doesn't make much sense to include their totals in this discussion.

With regards to RBs, Spiller had 201 (while dinged/hurt much of the year), FJax had 207, and the rest of the RBs totals 47 (and another 11 receptions).

I don't see Brown getting much more than 75 rushes and 5-10 catches, unless one of the 2 RBs ahead of him get hurt. He is, FF speaking, a handcuff. If you draft him, you are protecting yourself against an injury to the Buff RB(s) that you own, or you are "hoping" for an injury to one of the other two.

Barring injury, Brown doesn't have an FF value, beyond that of an insurance policy/trade bait.

Not a chance Jackson gets 207 carries again this year. It's impossible to say how it al shakes out, but Brown certainly has a reasonable chance to tote the rock 150 times

 

[Bayhawks]

Re-read this thread after it was bumped today.

Amazing that some people were actually predicting that Brown was going to be in a 50/50 split with McCoy. Same people that see 3rd, 4th, 5th (and later) round draft picks who are going to supplant legitimate NFL starters.

If you own Brown, find one of these guys and trade him now. Someone is sure to think that Brown is going to supplant one (or both) of FJax and/or Spiller, when in reality, he was a depth pick (based on FJax's age and Spiller's injury last year). I think that, at best (barring 1-2 injuries), Brown becomes the lesser part of a RBBC with Spiller (assuming FJax's age finally catches up to him)

Buffalo had 546 rushing attempts last year, almost 10% more than the 2nd and 3rd place SF and Seattle. Spiller has never had more than about 200 carries in a season (202 and 207 the last two years). Even if he bumps up to ~250, there's still another 250-300 carries in the design of the offense. Fred Jackson is 33 years old. There's room for Brown to have value as Spiller's backup either in 2014 if Fjax is hurt/too old/or gone, and certainly in 2015.

I drafted Bryce in the 20th round of a start up earlier this year, and he's 22 turning 23 in a few days, with 2x by 150+ yard and 2 TD games under his belt. I'd expect him to go somewhere in the 10-15th round range now.

Brown doesn't need to 'supplant' Spiller as a starter to have value... I'd say his value has already jumped a bit due to the trade, but could easily jump more if Fjax goes down in 2014, and certainly in 2015.

Sure, they had 546 rushing attempts last year, IF you include the QB and WR rushes. Since Brown is unlikely to play either QB or WR, it doesn't make much sense to include their totals in this discussion.

With regards to RBs, Spiller had 201 (while dinged/hurt much of the year), FJax had 207, and the rest of the RBs totals 47 (and another 11 receptions).

I don't see Brown getting much more than 75 rushes and 5-10 catches, unless one of the 2 RBs ahead of him get hurt. He is, FF speaking, a handcuff. If you draft him, you are protecting yourself against an injury to the Buff RB(s) that you own, or you are "hoping" for an injury to one of the other two.

Barring injury, Brown doesn't have an FF value, beyond that of an insurance policy/trade bait.

Not a chance Jackson gets 207 carries again this year. It's impossible to say how it al shakes out, but Brown certainly has a reasonable chance to tote the rock 150 times

What, exactly, are you basing this absolute statement on? What quote, insider information, etc tells you that Jackson has no chance to get 207 carries in 2014? Because it seems like your guessing. Because while the chances aren't good, as Lloyd Christmas might say, "you're saying there's a chance."

What is more "reasonable" to expect is for Spiller to get the lion's share of the RB carries (maybe 250), FJax to drop off some, (125-150), and for Brown to pick up the scraps that the other Buff RBs got last year (maybe 75, even though last year, the "other" RBs got less than 50 carries). 150 isn't a reasonable projection for Buffalo's #3 RB, it's triple what they got last year.

 

[renesauz]

Re-read this thread after it was bumped today.

Amazing that some people were actually predicting that Brown was going to be in a 50/50 split with McCoy. Same people that see 3rd, 4th, 5th (and later) round draft picks who are going to supplant legitimate NFL starters.

If you own Brown, find one of these guys and trade him now. Someone is sure to think that Brown is going to supplant one (or both) of FJax and/or Spiller, when in reality, he was a depth pick (based on FJax's age and Spiller's injury last year). I think that, at best (barring 1-2 injuries), Brown becomes the lesser part of a RBBC with Spiller (assuming FJax's age finally catches up to him)

Buffalo had 546 rushing attempts last year, almost 10% more than the 2nd and 3rd place SF and Seattle. Spiller has never had more than about 200 carries in a season (202 and 207 the last two years). Even if he bumps up to ~250, there's still another 250-300 carries in the design of the offense. Fred Jackson is 33 years old. There's room for Brown to have value as Spiller's backup either in 2014 if Fjax is hurt/too old/or gone, and certainly in 2015.

I drafted Bryce in the 20th round of a start up earlier this year, and he's 22 turning 23 in a few days, with 2x by 150+ yard and 2 TD games under his belt. I'd expect him to go somewhere in the 10-15th round range now.

Brown doesn't need to 'supplant' Spiller as a starter to have value... I'd say his value has already jumped a bit due to the trade, but could easily jump more if Fjax goes down in 2014, and certainly in 2015.

Sure, they had 546 rushing attempts last year, IF you include the QB and WR rushes. Since Brown is unlikely to play either QB or WR, it doesn't make much sense to include their totals in this discussion.

With regards to RBs, Spiller had 201 (while dinged/hurt much of the year), FJax had 207, and the rest of the RBs totals 47 (and another 11 receptions).

I don't see Brown getting much more than 75 rushes and 5-10 catches, unless one of the 2 RBs ahead of him get hurt. He is, FF speaking, a handcuff. If you draft him, you are protecting yourself against an injury to the Buff RB(s) that you own, or you are "hoping" for an injury to one of the other two.

Barring injury, Brown doesn't have an FF value, beyond that of an insurance policy/trade bait.

Not a chance Jackson gets 207 carries again this year. It's impossible to say how it al shakes out, but Brown certainly has a reasonable chance to tote the rock 150 times

What, exactly, are you basing this absolute statement on? What quote, insider information, etc tells you that Jackson has no chance to get 207 carries in 2014? Because it seems like your guessing. Because while the chances aren't good, as Lloyd Christmas might say, "you're saying there's a chance."

What is more "reasonable" to expect is for Spiller to get the lion's share of the RB carries (maybe 250), FJax to drop off some, (125-150), and for Brown to pick up the scraps that the other Buff RBs got last year (maybe 75, even though last year, the "other" RBs got less than 50 carries). 150 isn't a reasonable projection for Buffalo's #3 RB, it's triple what they got last year.

While you're correct on calling me out on my "not a chance", I don't see 207 carries for a 33 y.o RB as reasonable (barring injuries to other of course). You seem to have made the same mistake dismissing Brown's chances of picking up 150 carries- which I called a "reasonable chance"- which was meant as more of a ceiling (barring injuries of course) than a projection.

With all three healthy I would expect more along the line of 220 for Spiller and 100 each for Jackson and Brown.

 

[EBF]

Sneaky move. First reaction is that it can't be any worse for his value than riding the pine in Philly. How many years left on Spiller's deal?

 

[mjm3773]

Sneaky move. First reaction is that it can't be any worse for his value than riding the pine in Philly. How many years left on Spiller's deal?

Spiller's deal is essentially up after this year. He has a player option for 2015, but the general feeling is that he'd decline in order to become a FA, but stranger things have happened.

 

[football fan]

Re-read this thread after it was bumped today.

Amazing that some people were actually predicting that Brown was going to be in a 50/50 split with McCoy. Same people that see 3rd, 4th, 5th (and later) round draft picks who are going to supplant legitimate NFL starters.

If you own Brown, find one of these guys and trade him now. Someone is sure to think that Brown is going to supplant one (or both) of FJax and/or Spiller, when in reality, he was a depth pick (based on FJax's age and Spiller's injury last year). I think that, at best (barring 1-2 injuries), Brown becomes the lesser part of a RBBC with Spiller (assuming FJax's age finally catches up to him)

Buffalo had 546 rushing attempts last year, almost 10% more than the 2nd and 3rd place SF and Seattle. Spiller has never had more than about 200 carries in a season (202 and 207 the last two years). Even if he bumps up to ~250, there's still another 250-300 carries in the design of the offense. Fred Jackson is 33 years old. There's room for Brown to have value as Spiller's backup either in 2014 if Fjax is hurt/too old/or gone, and certainly in 2015.

I drafted Bryce in the 20th round of a start up earlier this year, and he's 22 turning 23 in a few days, with 2x by 150+ yard and 2 TD games under his belt. I'd expect him to go somewhere in the 10-15th round range now.

Brown doesn't need to 'supplant' Spiller as a starter to have value... I'd say his value has already jumped a bit due to the trade, but could easily jump more if Fjax goes down in 2014, and certainly in 2015.

Sure, they had 546 rushing attempts last year, IF you include the QB and WR rushes. Since Brown is unlikely to play either QB or WR, it doesn't make much sense to include their totals in this discussion.

With regards to RBs, Spiller had 201 (while dinged/hurt much of the year), FJax had 207, and the rest of the RBs totals 47 (and another 11 receptions).

I don't see Brown getting much more than 75 rushes and 5-10 catches, unless one of the 2 RBs ahead of him get hurt. He is, FF speaking, a handcuff. If you draft him, you are protecting yourself against an injury to the Buff RB(s) that you own, or you are "hoping" for an injury to one of the other two.

Barring injury, Brown doesn't have an FF value, beyond that of an insurance policy/trade bait.

Not a chance Jackson gets 207 carries again this year. It's impossible to say how it al shakes out, but Brown certainly has a reasonable chance to tote the rock 150 times

What, exactly, are you basing this absolute statement on? What quote, insider information, etc tells you that Jackson has no chance to get 207 carries in 2014? Because it seems like your guessing. Because while the chances aren't good, as Lloyd Christmas might say, "you're saying there's a chance."

What is more "reasonable" to expect is for Spiller to get the lion's share of the RB carries (maybe 250), FJax to drop off some, (125-150), and for Brown to pick up the scraps that the other Buff RBs got last year (maybe 75, even though last year, the "other" RBs got less than 50 carries). 150 isn't a reasonable projection for Buffalo's #3 RB, it's triple what they got last year.

Don't know how many carries Brown will get next year, but if I can get him cheap, I like his potential ff scoring ability in Buffalo right now. Brown and Spiller are different types of RBs. I really don't care about how many carries he gets with Fred Jackson still there in the short run.

If Brown can score like Fred Jackson in 2013, I would like the RB depth that he brings to my team.