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I think Westbrook can be top 10 now. As stated earlier he was 15 last year and split carries with 3 guys. Sure Buck could keep him fresh, but since when does a RBBC help a guy's value? Does Bennet's stock go up with or without Onterio? Of course it goes up. You lose all the question marks about who is going to be the MAN each week. We know Westbrook will now be the guy, and they will find someone to spell him for a bit.Westbrook goes mid to late 2nd round now easily. Heck, I think I woud consider him even early 2nd, before Dom Davis, Dillon, Barlow, and a few others down there.

 
I'm not sure how much this increases Westbrook's value. He is fragile. He had injuries at Villanova and with the Eagles. His real value is allowing Reid to use him in certain packages and Buck/Staley in others. They have taken him off punt returns to minimize the wear and tear. This injury to Buck may force the Eagles to use Westbrook far more than they want to and possibly far more than he can handle. I would be wary of getting too excited about his lack of competition for carries right now. He hasn't proven he can handle the load.As good as Reid has been, he does make some bonehead moves. His letting Staley walk was very unpopular in Philly because both Buckhalter and Westbrook have been injury prone - now it really looks bad. :( Willie

 
Idiotic...if you think he is Top 10 nowI would definitely want you in my leagueI would say he's on par with Stephen Davis now
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Not saying I agree or disagreeBut he was 15th in RB scoring last year sharing with Staley and CbuckYou dont think he can jump 5 spots when 2/3rds of the guys stealing stats from him last year are gone?No need to use the "i wish you were in my league" line here.
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While it may appear that this would increase Westbrooks value, in my mind the doubts remain about just how much he can deliver in the way of carries in a game. I viewed Buckhalter as the guy who could allow him to take his breathers, thus sustaining his production. Granted this is all speculation currently, but the doubts remain.
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sage advice here. :thumbup: Westy's value is tied to his explosiveness....does he retain the same pop when he's getting 25 touches a game...me thinks not. We Philly fans begin the James Stewart chant NOW! :nerd:
 
I'm not sure how much this increases Westbrook's value. He is fragile. He had injuries at Villanova and with the Eagles. His real value is allowing Reid to use him in certain packages and Buck/Staley in others. They have taken him off punt returns to minimize the wear and tear. This injury to Buck may force the Eagles to use Westbrook far more than they want to and possibly far more than he can handle. I would be wary of getting too excited about his lack of competition for carries right now. He hasn't proven he can handle the load.

As good as Reid has been, he does make some bonehead moves. His letting Staley walk was very unpopular in Philly because both Buckhalter and Westbrook have been injury prone - now it really looks bad.  :(

Willie
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This article (see link below) was obviously written before tonight's game, but don't be so sure about Westy being taken off punt returns.Despite the early success of the younger players, the Eagles have not ruled out using Westbrook as the punt returner.

"Brian wants to do it," Harbaugh said. "I think the option is still open for him to be the punt returner, that hasn’t been decided yet. Whether it is a 100 percent of the time or 10 percent of the time, he’s in the mix for sure. He’s caught almost 300 punts so far in the pre-season. So, he’s done a great job of working on it."

http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/n...081904-west.asp

 
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Westy's value is tied to his explosiveness....does he retain the same pop when he's getting 25 touches a game...me thinks not.
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I don't think there is any way Westy gets 25 touches per game. But he would be a solid #2 RB (and might sneak into the top 10 like Tiki in 2002) if he gets 300 touches.I was expecting about 15 touches per game. I think I will move that up to 18 or 19. Not much, but it might include all the goal line carries (Westy was very good in the red zone).
 
Idiotic...if you think he is Top 10 nowI would definitely want you in my leagueI would say he's on par with Stephen Davis now
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Not saying I agree or disagreeBut he was 15th in RB scoring last year sharing with Staley and CbuckYou dont think he can jump 5 spots when 2/3rds of the guys stealing stats from him last year are gone?No need to use the "i wish you were in my league" line here.
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While it may appear that this would increase Westbrooks value, in my mind the doubts remain about just how much he can deliver in the way of carries in a game. I viewed Buckhalter as the guy who could allow him to take his breathers, thus sustaining his production. Granted this is all speculation currently, but the doubts remain.
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sage advice here. :thumbup: Westy's value is tied to his explosiveness....does he retain the same pop when he's getting 25 touches a game...me thinks not. We Philly fans begin the James Stewart chant NOW! :nerd:
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So do you think his value is increased or not?Sure there are questions about Westbrook's durability, but I don't think they are enough to say that losing Bick does not increase Westbrook's value. Ahman Green used to have durability questions too.
 
to clarify, I see NO value increase....potentially a decrease if his workload significantly spikes upward....if so, I can see a good opening 6 games and then some serious fatigue may set in if injuries don't.

 
to clarify, I see NO value increase....potentially a decrease if his workload significantly spikes upward....if so, I can see a good opening 6 games and then some serious fatigue may set in if injuries don't.
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Wow. I find this take very strange.But to each his own.
 
I've never been comfy with Westbrook as a legit RB2 and this is coming from an Eagles fan.....I just think the more touches you give him means the earlier he fatigues and/or gets dinged.....

 
Ahh, you hit the nail on the head. A lot of people seem to have short memories and don't remember the "durabilitiy" knock on Green when he was in Seattle. Turned out that wasn't a problem (or the fumbling) and Seattle gave away a great player.----Sure there are questions about Westbrook's durability, but I don't think they are enough to say that losing Bick does not increase Westbrook's value. Ahman Green used to have durability questions too.

 
IMHO...this increases McNabb's value, as well as the value of Mitchell and LJ Smith. I think the Eagles will go to an even more pass heavy offense then normal. They're not going to run Westbrook 20 time a game. More touches in the passing game, sure...those are far less brutal then runs being tackled by 300 lb lineman.

 
:cry: I am friggin sick to my stomach...Westy is a talent to be sure but he's not a guy we can count on for 300 carries in any way shape or form...and Mahe is special teams fodder at best. :cry:
 
:cry: I am friggin sick to my stomach...Westy is a talent to be sure but he's not a guy we can count on for 300 carries in any way shape or form...and Mahe is special teams fodder at best. :cry:
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Cheers? :cheese:
 
:cry: I am friggin sick to my stomach...Westy is a talent to be sure but he's not a guy we can count on for 300 carries in any way shape or form...and Mahe is special teams fodder at best. :cry:
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$100 :yes:

 
The problem with Philly's running game last year went beyond RBBC in that it was an unpredictable RBBC. One of the RBs would have a great game and the next game they would have 1 carry. The good news here, from a fantasy perspective, is that one could expect a more consistent 15 to 18 carries per game from Westbrook making him a more consistent fantasy option. For years Garner and then Barber were under-valued because they were "too small" or "too injury prone" (even though Tiki missed 2 games in 6 years and Garner missed 2 games in 5 years). I look for Westbrook to carry the banner for under-valued, under-sized RB now.

 
I feel J's pain here,I may be an Eagles hater, but pre-season injuries certainly are stomach turners for fans.Not to pile on, but I think the injury to Buckhalter and Kalu displace the Eagles as the top NFC Team.They may have only been "situational" players, but they were valuable. The Eagles have injury prone DL, and durability questions at RB. This was key depth that I think was lost.I think the entire NFC opened up, but Philly is no longer the clear top team. They're probably in the same tier as several other teams right now. I worry about them, since they lost two good runners from last season.

 
I feel J's pain here,I may be an Eagles hater, but pre-season injuries certainly are stomach turners for fans.Not to pile on, but I think the injury to Buckhalter and Kalu displace the Eagles as the top NFC Team.They may have only been "situational" players, but they were valuable. The Eagles have injury prone DL, and durability questions at RB. This was key depth that I think was lost.I think the entire NFC opened up, but Philly is no longer the clear top team. They're probably in the same tier as several other teams right now. I worry about them, since they lost two good runners from last season.
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:thumbup: :cheese:
 
Not to pile on, but I think the injury to Buckhalter and Kalu displace the Eagles as the top NFC Team.
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They haven't been the NFC's top team since 1980.GDB pre-season hype.
 
I think this will definately give Mahe a chance to bring his game. Like said earlier, he was a converted wr to rb. He probably won't be used all that much for running between the tackles. But as a 3rd down back, I think he can more than flourish. I'm not sure on how good of a pass blocker he is, but he has very good hands. He's deceptively quick, and could break it big as a wr... and then when BYU lost some RB's due to injury, he pulled a couple big games out as rb. I think he can hold his own in a 3rd down setting, which would give westbrook the little breathers he needs. Just my 2 cents....

 
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As an Iggles fan, there is absolutley, positively no way Reid goes into the season with Westbrook as a number1 and only RB with experience. Not going to happen. I'm not predicting what we do, but someone will be brought in, Westbrook cannot shoulder the load as a full timer, this is what Reid believes, as do I right now. Do not get overly excited about Westbrook just yet. Paging Dorsey Levens, Dorsey Levens anyone?!?!? :eek: :shock: :bag:

 
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my reaction exactly, can philly get any luck, jeez, 2 starters go within a week, man I just wanna cry, last year burgess, d backs, and the whole dLine, no fair :cry: :cry: :cry: anyway still gonna win the division
 
Isn't Trung Canidate a Free Agent still or did he get surgery on his foot?He might not be the best guy I've ever seen run, but he did lead the Redskins in rushing last year...hey who knows?

 
Better pickup right now, Mahe or McCoo???
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McCoo is hot from NFL Europe. He looked great over there. Tonight 18 touches 55 yards. Seems to me like Andy would be pleased with those kind of #'s from his pre-season #4 who was fighting for a roster spot.Kick in his 3 receptions for 19 yards. Sounds like the perfect fit.
 
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Better pickup right now, Mahe or McCoo???
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McCoo is hot from NFL Europe. He looked great over there. Tonight 18 touches 55 yards. Seems to me like Andy would be pleased with those kind of #'s from his pre-season #4 who was fighting for a roster spot.Kick in his 3 receptions for 19 yards. Sounds like the perfect fit.
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Oh yeah,Mahe...1 att, 2 yards.
 
I'm a Westbrook owner and I'm not happy. Buckhalter by all accounts is a good guy and a fierce player, its too bad. Hope he bounces back again.

 
I think that Skip Hicks could be a good fit in Philly and they wouldn't have to give up anyone to get him (Low risk/High upside). He would be a good compliment to Westbrook a has shown flashes of being a decent back in the past. For what it's worth, he did average 6.1 ypc on 54 rushes last year for TEN.

 
list mentioned in thread, to get eagles rush yds / tdIMO, someone will be used in the buckhalter role Mahe/ McCoo Stacey Mack Dorsey Levens James JacksonSo I will add mine......Patrick Pass, NE rb

 
What about Stacey Mack, Dorsey Levens or Olandis Gary? Heck, James Allen would work well in the Iggles offense.

 
my reaction exactly, can philly get any luck, jeez, 2 starters go within a week, man I just wanna cry, last year burgess, d backs, and the whole dLine,
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Luck?3 NFC Championship visits with 3 great teams.... over the past 3 years.Nooo Luck is something Philly is not short of.
 
OK...a little dynasty talk here, from a Buckhalter (and Ricky Williams :cry: ) owner here. What does this do to Buckhalter future? Second big injury...is a guy to hang onto or does one use the roster space to develop a younger guy?Thoughts?

 
OK...a little dynasty talk here, from a Buckhalter (and Ricky Williams :cry: ) owner here. What does this do to Buckhalter future? Second big injury...is a guy to hang onto or does one use the roster space to develop a younger guy?Thoughts?
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I've got him as an RB4 on my dynasty league....and i think he's done. He's certainly not going to get a shot at starting anywhere after this.
 
What about Stacey Mack, Dorsey Levens or Olandis Gary? Heck, James Allen would work well in the Iggles offense.
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Yes, but aren't all those players garbaaaage? Mack out of shapeAllen - No WayGary - WorthlessLevens - Maybe?
 
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OK...a little dynasty talk here, from a Buckhalter (and Ricky Williams :cry: ) owner here. What does this do to Buckhalter future? Second big injury...is a guy to hang onto or does one use the roster space to develop a younger guy?Thoughts?
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I've got him as an RB4 on my dynasty league....and i think he's done. He's certainly not going to get a shot at starting anywhere after this.
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No doubt.It's his second major injury in 3 years, and he's slated to be an UFA next year. Who knows if he'll even be healthy next year, and for sure no one will bring him in as a starter. Even if he's healthy, he'll be a backup at best. Maybe down the line if things go his way (i.e., injury to another player), he'll get a shot, but that's about it for him.Too bad for the kid.
 
I think a big back like James Stewart would be a good fit with Westbrook. Didn't he play in a WCO in Detroit?

 
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