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Buerhle Extended By White Sox..... or was he? (1 Viewer)

That's a solid deal. He could have brought some nice prospects in a trade but he would have also created a massive hole in that rotation that would have been tough to fill. The Sox have some other trading chips that they could use to get some young blood. If you can sign Buerhle to a reasonable deal, which they did, I think it's a good move. I don't think they really needed to nuke the whole team.

 
SeveredHorseHeads said:
That's a solid deal. He could have brought some nice prospects in a trade but he would have also created a massive hole in that rotation that would have been tough to fill. The Sox have some other trading chips that they could use to get some young blood. If you can sign Buerhle to a reasonable deal, which they did, I think it's a good move. I don't think they really needed to nuke the whole team.
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It's a ### ####ed steal when you look at the deals the likes of Lilly and Meche signed last off season
 
Limp Ditka said:
SeveredHorseHeads said:
That's a solid deal. He could have brought some nice prospects in a trade but he would have also created a massive hole in that rotation that would have been tough to fill. The Sox have some other trading chips that they could use to get some young blood. If you can sign Buerhle to a reasonable deal, which they did, I think it's a good move. I don't think they really needed to nuke the whole team.
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It's a ### ####ed steal when you look at the deals the likes of Lilly and Meche signed last off season
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Sign and trade? :topcat: He does have more trade value now.
 
Sea Bass said:
Limp Ditka said:
SeveredHorseHeads said:
That's a solid deal. He could have brought some nice prospects in a trade but he would have also created a massive hole in that rotation that would have been tough to fill. The Sox have some other trading chips that they could use to get some young blood. If you can sign Buerhle to a reasonable deal, which they did, I think it's a good move. I don't think they really needed to nuke the whole team.
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It's a ### ####ed steal when you look at the deals the likes of Lilly and Meche signed last off season
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Sign and trade? :topcat: He does have more trade value now.
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Not really common in baseball, is it? I'd be shocked to see it happen
 
Great move for the Chi Sox. From what I heard, Buehlre should have had his bags packed. I don't think he really wanted to leave anyway, now the Sox have a good pitcher who is still fairly young in the fold for the next 4 years. Kenny Williams strikes again.

 
Wow. There are still some players that want to stay with their team enough not to try and get the extra $$ when they are rich already. MB could have got 5 for 75 on the open market, but chooses to stay with his club. BRAVO Mark and bravo Kenny for getting it done!! I'm still expecting Contreras to get moved before the deadline. The Sox now have MB and Garland to build with the next couple years with Danks and probably Massot, Gonzalez, and hopefully Floyd. I still am waiting for the rest of the fire sale though

 
amphibianbri said:
Wow. There are still some players that want to stay with their team enough not to try and get the extra $$ when they are rich already. MB could have got 5 for 75 on the open market, but chooses to stay with his club. BRAVO Mark and bravo Kenny for getting it done!! I'm still expecting Contreras to get moved before the deadline. The Sox now have MB and Garland to build with the next couple years with Danks and probably Massot, Gonzalez, and hopefully Floyd. I still am waiting for the rest of the fire sale though
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When did this get done? :goodposting: When did the fire sale start?

 
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amphibianbri said:
Wow. There are still some players that want to stay with their team enough not to try and get the extra $$ when they are rich already.
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Might have been a nice gesture on his part, and I'm sure he's happy in Chicago, but if he's actually turning down what is essentially $20 million, that's pretty stupid.
 
Buerhle is popular here in Chicago. He will stay that way by showing he was very reasonable in accepting this offer.

 
I didn't hear any mention of it while Buehrle was pitching last night. Figured it would be brought up at least once.

 
The latest

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/wh...-ssep28.article

Buehrle deal: Now or never

EXTENSION UPDATE | Williams said to be firm on Friday deadline to keep lefty with Sox

June 28, 2007

BY JOE COWLEY jcowley@suntimes.com

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla -- White Sox general manager Ken Williams continued to deny he has had any dialogue with pitcher Mark Buehrle about a contract extension.

Jeff Berry, Buehrle's agent, insisted the same thing about talking to Williams.

And the fact is, neither man was being dishonest. It all has come down to semantics at this point.

But it became evident Wednesday that these truly are strange days in the Tampa area for the Sox, and they are expected to continue through today.

A source close to the situation indicated that while Williams and Berry have yet to speak, everyone between the two men has been acting as a buffer to get a deal done before Friday, which Williams is believed to be calling the final hour. The intermediaries include relatives of Buehrle -- who, like Berry, happen to be in St. Petersburg -- as well as members of the Sox organization, including the coaching staff.

It also was no coincidence that assistant general manager Rick Hahn, who handles a lot of the contract work for the Sox, arrived in the area Wednesday afternoon.

So why the rush to get this deal done?

Because if the Sox leave Florida without a deal in place -- the sides now are believed to be talking about a four-year contract -- all bets are off and Buehrle can start saying his goodbyes. Williams has a plan to retool the Sox, and he needs to start the ball rolling in the next week.

Manager Ozzie Guillen admitted before Wednesday night's game against the Devil Rays that he has heard all sorts of stories and speculation concerning Buehrle the last few days and shed some light on the topic.

''If Buehrle was my kid, hey, make your money,'' Guillen said. ''But Buehrle is my pitcher. I think he's going to sign. That's my hope, but there are so many things in the middle. Hopefully, we sign him before we get to Chicago [sunday night]. That's everybody's hope, but you never know.

''It's not what I hear, it's what I read. But the way both parties love each other, I think he will sign.''

Asked if he has heard that Williams will trade Buehrle if a deal is not reached this week, Guillen was upfront.

''I believe so,'' he said. ''Yes, Kenny got a pretty powerful card. The more he waits, the more interesting it will be. A lot of people like to have Buehrle, but if it doesn't happen before we get to Chicago, then he's got a great chance to [be traded].''

With the Boston Red Sox out of the running for the left-hander's services, that leaves the New York Mets and Atlanta Braves as the leading candidates, with the Los Angeles Dodgers now creeping into the mix.

What remains clear throughout all this, however, is how badly Buehrle wants to remain with the organization with which he has spent his entire career.

''I just told Kenny, right now we'd like to talk to his agent,'' Guillen said. ''We will do that. One thing I'll say, this is not an easy situation for both sides of the party. It's not an easy situation because the feelings they have are mutual. Buehrle loves the White Sox, and in the meanwhile, it's his career, the way he'll make his living. The same way the White Sox feel about Buehrle.

''It's a hard decision. It's easy to say no to somebody you don't like. And it's easy to say no to somebody you can replace. But when you have a situation like Mark, it's hard on both sides.''
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I do think this will get done, but more of the 4 year, 56-60 million territory. As to those saying Buerhle is stupid for turning down $20 million more elsewhere, again I say, Buerhle isn't your run of the mill get all I can athlete. Honestly, after 40-50 million or so, how much difference does it make? Play where you want to. I wouldn't be ticked off if he wanted to go to St. Louis like everyone says he would like to and signed there for 20 million less than New York or Boston. To some people environment is more important than the extra 3 vacaton homes all over the U.S. I for one respect that.

 
amphibianbri said:
I do think this will get done, but more of the 4 year, 56-60 million territory. As to those saying Buerhle is stupid for turning down $20 million more elsewhere, again I say, Buerhle isn't your run of the mill get all I can athlete. Honestly, after 40-50 million or so, how much difference does it make? Play where you want to. I wouldn't be ticked off if he wanted to go to St. Louis like everyone says he would like to and signed there for 20 million less than New York or Boston. To some people environment is more important than the extra 3 vacaton homes all over the U.S. I for one respect that.
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You might not, but the Players Association sure would.
 
More talk that it's getting done. Now rumored to be aeround 4/56

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/wh...T-joe29.article

The big deal will get done

Everyone will benefit when Sox finally get Buerhle to sign on the dotted line

June 29, 2007

BY JOE COWLEY Staff Reporter

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- It probably played out something like this:

Rick Hahn: ''I'm Rick Hahn, assistant GM. Call me 'The Wolf.' I solve problems.''

Mark Buehrle: ''Good, we got one.''

Hahn: ''You're Mark, which makes you his agent, Jeff Berry. Let's get down to brass tacks, gentlemen. If I was informed correctly, the clock is ticking. Is that right?''

Buehrle: ''Uh, 100 percent.''

Hahn: ''You're going to be a free agent, you want to stay, but you want a lot of money to stay? More than we ever have given a pitcher? You throw upper 80s on most days, wear St. Louis Cardinal hats, and if a deal is not done by the end of the weekend, the clock has run out?''

Buehrle: ''Uh-huh.''

Hahn: ''So sign the paper.''

Jeff Berry: ''A please would be nice.''

Hahn: ''Come again? Get it straight, buster -- I'm not here to say please, I'm here to tell you what to do. And if self-preservation is an instinct you possess, you'd better [bleeping] do it and do it quick. I'm here to help. If my help's not appreciated, then lotsa luck, gentlemen.''

Then Buehrle runs his fingers through his Jheri curls -- play along, people -- grabs a pen and signs his name, with Hahn shaking hands and the assistant GM off to the airport by Thursday afternoon.

That's the way Quentin Tarantino would have done the contract extension for the White Sox left-hander.

Instead, we're left with a ton of ''No comment'' and ''Nothing new to report.''

What is known is that Berry and Hahn met Wednesday night to talk about how to keep Buehrle in a Sox uniform for the next four years, and according to manager Ozzie Guillen, ''It was pretty good. Everything sounded great. I was excited.''

But Hahn was back in Chicago by Thursday afternoon, and the Sox were saying there was nothing to report.

As for Buehrle?

''No comment on any contract situations,'' he said to almost all questions concerning a deal. ''Because I don't want to say anything and get you guys confused.''

When asked whether the deal was already done and the Sox could be waiting for the right time to announce it -- not the first time they have done that -- Buehrle again went all Drew Rosenhaus.

''I don't know, no comment,'' he responded. ''Call Rick, call Jeff, call [GM Ken Williams].''

Hahn and Berry? Both said there was nothing to report.

So where does this leave everything?

Well, one of three things. A deal is done, a deal still is being mulled over or talks have broken off and Buehrle will be traded in the next few weeks.

Gut feeling?

Too many people want this to happen for it to fall through: Buehrle, his family and Sox personnel from equipment managers all the way up to chairman Jerry Reinsdorf.

Expect a four-year deal at $14million a year to be announced by Monday, before Buehrle's next start.

Then again, there's always the Tim Burton version in which Hahn jumps out of Berry's closet.

Berry: ''What are you?''

Hahn: ''I'm Batman.''
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And it don't stop

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlb

KANSAS CITY -- Mark Buehrle is scheduled to open the White Sox final first-half homestand on Monday night, an eight-game run against the Orioles and Twins, covering seven days.

But the number of starts the left-hander has left as a member of the White Sox is far less certain in light of reports Friday night that talks regarding a multi-year deal between the club and the left-hander had reached an impasse.

A source close to the situation confirmed to MLB.com that the negotiations between the two sides have stalled over the issue of a no-trade clause in the deal, which was reported to be a four-year pact in the range of $56 million. The money or amount of years no longer appear to be an obstacle, but the no-trade clause apparently is a deal-breaker for both sides.

Buehrle has not hidden his desire to stay in Chicago and remain with the White Sox, and the club has stated that it wants to retain him. There had been questions about Buehrle's desire to remain in Chicago, but after defeating Tampa Bay on Wednesday, he once again talked about his desire to be a long-term piece of the White Sox puzzle while shooting down the perpetual and unfounded rumors that stated he was automatically headed to his hometown Cardinals via free agency.

"Everyone knows where my heart is at and where I want to stay and how bad I want to stay here," said Buehrle on Wednesday in Florida. "If anyone has a question or thinks I'm going to St. Louis after the season, if I'm a free agent, or if it gets to that point, they are wrong.

"I want to stay here and do everything I can to stay here," Buehrle added.

However, it appears that if he commits to the White Sox, he wants the club to commit to him in the form of a no-trade clause that would guarantee he'd play out the contract on the South Side. The White Sox, like most clubs, are likely leery of tying their hands down the road with a no-trade deal.

Reached for comment via e-mail Saturday morning, White Sox assistant general manager Rick Hahn said the team's position on talking about this sort of deal remains unchanged. Unless, or until, there is an announcement of some sort, comments or updates should not be expected to come from the White Sox.

If this situation remains unchanged through the weekend, the next piece of news announced concerning Buehrle might just be his trade to one of the teams interested in his services such as the Mets or the Dodgers.

"Hey, like I said, if he's here, good," said White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, prior to Friday's 8-1 loss to the Royals. "If he's not here, somebody else will take his spot.

"He might not be the same. He might be worse or better, but somebody will take his spot. Hopefully, it all works out, but I just throw this thing away."
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It appears as though Jerry Reinsdorf and his principles will cost White Sox fans a playoff proven pitcher. Get the trade talks going...

From WSI http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbullet...664&page=31

In the grand scheme of things, that (No-trade clause, MB automatically gets clause in a year anyway) seems like a ludicrous deal-breaker. And surely, the Sox will budge, right?

“No,’’ White Sox general manager Kenny Williams told the Daily Herald in an e-mail Saturday night. “I cannot build a championship team if I do. The short-term and long-term ramifications are just too great.’’

The message I get from this is that Kenny Williams thinks the White Sox are going to be a mediocre to bad team during the next couple of years. After all, he wants flexibility to deal Mark during the 2008 and 2009 seasons. I'd think the main reason you'd want to deal a battle-tested and cunning veteran pitcher is if you're not going to be in many battles in which such a player would be needed.

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"Not signing Buehrle for much less than half of what Zito got, in the current market, would be a mistake for a team with a sizeable payroll; he's too good of an asset, at that price, to pass on a $56 million contract." B. Olney ESPN

Beuhrle Deserves No-Trade Clause (ESPN Insider)

 
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From Rotoworld:

The Chicago Sun-Times describes the contract negotiations between Mark Buehrle and the White Sox as "dead."

General manager Ken Williams has made it clear that he won't give Buehrle a no-trade clause, leading to speculation that he could be traded by the end of the week. According to the newspaper, "the New York Mets' interest in the left-hander [is] beginning to heat up."

Looks like LAD and NYM are in a bidding war.

 
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The Los Angeles Times is reporting the Dodgers and White Sox have discussed a deal that would send Mark Buehrle to the Dodgers for Matt Kemp and possibly a prospect.

Kemp would immediately upgrade the White Sox outfield and could be an anchor on the team for the next several years.

 
So Buehrle becomes a 10-5 player next year thus automatically kicking in a no-trade clause yet Ken Williams refuses to give him one? This whole situation is weird.

 
shadyridr said:
So Buehrle becomes a 10-5 player next year thus automatically kicking in a no-trade clause yet Ken Williams refuses to give him one? This whole situation is weird.
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I'm not sure how 5-10 works. This is Buerhle's 8th year in the bigs so I would think that he's 2 years away. There's a chance that being on the 40 man roster has an impact and he was on it in 1999, but didn't see any time in the bigs.
 
interesting stuff...I still want him on the Red Sox if they can get the extension

 
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Green94 said:
The Los Angeles Times is reporting the Dodgers and White Sox have discussed a deal that would send Mark Buehrle to the Dodgers for Matt Kemp and possibly a prospect.Kemp would immediately upgrade the White Sox outfield and could be an anchor on the team for the next several years.
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Kemp is tremendous. When he's gotten PT this year, he's done very well.
 
Talk about a bargain deal for the White Sox!

I'm a big fan of Buehrles and I hated to see him struggle during the second half of last year.

This does nothing but drive Carlos Zambrano's price tag through the roof.

I heard on the radio that the Cubs have $80Million in salaries due to seven players in 2009. Ouch.

 
I wonder how much he would have been able to get on the open market

 
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
I wonder how much he would have been able to get on the open market
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A boatload more, (at the same age) his numbers are similar to Zito's and Glavine's. ...or so I read.
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Per year probably not a lot more but he probably could have gotten a 7 or 8 year deal so this was a nice signing for the White Sox. Zito got 7/126 so 18 mill a year compared to 14 mill. I'd guess Buerhle could have gotten a 7/100 from someone but dedicating those extra years is quite a commitment. Not sure they saved per year but the length of the contract is a discount.
 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
I wonder how much he would have been able to get on the open market
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A boatload more, (at the same age) his numbers are similar to Zito's and Glavine's. ...or so I read.
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Yeah, read this in the paper yesterday:Career Stats Buehrle 103-70 3.77Zito 108-72 3.64
 
Please See Mine said:
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
I wonder how much he would have been able to get on the open market
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A boatload more, (at the same age) his numbers are similar to Zito's and Glavine's. ...or so I read.
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Yeah, read this in the paper yesterday:Career Stats Buehrle 103-70 3.77Zito 108-72 3.64
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Wow, going further: Buehrle ZitoStarts 246 240Inn/St 6.28 6.4HR 178 159WHIP 1.25 1.26Buehrle leads in CG 21-7 and K/BB 2.56-1.89.Zito leads in total strikeouts 1,162-898.Of course, Zito has the cache because he has the Cy Young and that 23-win season.
 
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