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Bush = Barry Sanders ? (1 Viewer)
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I see, and have always seen, Marshall Faulk
I thought that too. He may make some amaing plays in the future, but he may never be a move the chains guy. Always more of a gimmick than anything else?
I agree. They are two completely different players with two different skill sets.
Pedro Cerrano Fan
Footballguy
That's funny. I see Eric Metcalf.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
Possibly, although IMO that has more to do with the coaching and scheme than their talent. Barry was good for 30-40 receptions a year, but could have gotten a lot more if the coaching staff had been smart.To answer the question, no. No player will ever be Barry Sanders.
Legion of Doom
Footballguy
Yep,Barry Sanders got lots of ##### back in the day!
Sorry I wasn't born during the EISENHOWER administration.(For the Stern Fans in the group, picture Artie Lange)
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Pedro Cerrano Fan
Footballguy
Why, when people compare new player to older ones, do they insist on giving them HOF credentials?
Does everyone have to be a Barry Sanders/Earl Campbell/TO/Dan Marino?
You guys are bizarre.
Does everyone have to be a Barry Sanders/Earl Campbell/TO/Dan Marino?
You guys are bizarre.
Jayrod
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
You prefer a comparion to Kevin Faulk or KiJana Carter?
Pedro Cerrano Fan
Footballguy
If it's more accurate, yes.I'm not into orgies though.I guess it's all about preference - accuracy, or hype of naming the next "xxxx"
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
You love to hate Bush ..... or at least your posting/fishing in every bush topic would imply that.
massraider
Footballguy
Gary Anderson, old Chargers RB.
Koya
Footballguy
I was born in '73, so I never had a chance to watch Sayers live - but the tapes and his legend speak for themselves. Anyone who is comparing Bush to a back that is not in the league today should at least know of Sayers or stay out of the discussion... we arent even talking about a Marion Motley type who was great, ages ago, but that few know about, but rather one of the greatest 5 RBs of all time in many people's opinion.tikitime said:Sorry I wasn't born during the EISENHOWER administration.(For the Stern Fans in the group, picture Artie Lange)Koya said:
Koya
Footballguy
I just don't see it. Faulk was far more physical and could run inside very very well. He was more a spinner and jump stepper, less of a angled quick cross change of direction without even slowing down, back. Not sure if that makes any sense.Jayrod said:Limp Ditka said:I second that.
I've stated all along I'll draft him in the late third in ppr's...not sure how that is interpreted as hating him...I just don't have the first round mancrush on him that you do.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Fixed it for you. You don't have to agree with me .... its just one persons opinion. When it comes to RB and LHUCKS I see a lot of
going on. I normally like what I see out of your posts ...... just not your Bush posts.For the record, I know who Gale Sayers is, and I was born in '73 as well. I've seen some tapes but because he quit before I was born I didn't see enough of him to make an educated comparison to anyone.But enlighten me, how does one compare a style of running for a new player to a "legend"?And see theI was born in '73, so I never had a chance to watch Sayers live - but the tapes and his legend speak for themselves. Anyone who is comparing Bush to a back that is not in the league today should at least know of Sayers or stay out of the discussion... we arent even talking about a Marion Motley type who was great, ages ago, but that few know about, but rather one of the greatest 5 RBs of all time in many people's opinion.tikitime said:Sorry I wasn't born during the EISENHOWER administration.(For the Stern Fans in the group, picture Artie Lange)Koya said:
face? Learn it, know it, live it.
Koya
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You can compare the STYLE of running (which is why I said "type") without comparing ability or expected production.The fact is, I see remarkable similarities in the running styles of Bush and Sayers. That near full speed 90+ degree cut in a different direction and the amazing change of direction in general... but fluid all the way.For the record, I know who Gale Sayers is, and I was born in '73 as well. I've seen some tapes but because he quit before I was born I didn't see enough of him to make an educated comparison to anyone.But enlighten me, how does one compare a style of running for a new player to a "legend"?And see theI was born in '73, so I never had a chance to watch Sayers live - but the tapes and his legend speak for themselves. Anyone who is comparing Bush to a back that is not in the league today should at least know of Sayers or stay out of the discussion... we arent even talking about a Marion Motley type who was great, ages ago, but that few know about, but rather one of the greatest 5 RBs of all time in many people's opinion.tikitime said:Sorry I wasn't born during the EISENHOWER administration.(For the Stern Fans in the group, picture Artie Lange)Koya said:
Koya
Footballguy
Except that he and Sanders are very different backs with VERY different builds.Fixed it for you. You don't have to agree with me .... its just one persons opinion. When it comes to RB and LHUCKS I see a lot of
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Bush would do well to have a career as long as Dunn's.The E.Metcalf comparison looks about right too.
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Blitzkrieg88
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Yes, I agree... he looks similar to Sanders when running. Jumping left, right, left, whatever it takes to try and get some room to show his speed. Sometimes he will get stopped in the backfield, but other times he will take it 50 yards. He should be fun to watch over the next several years...tikitime said:
Ozymandias
Footballguy
He reminds me of Red Grange...
Or was it Jim Thorpe?
Or was it Jim Thorpe?
Warpig
Footballguy
And you know what else is funny about Bush? The guy had 4 carries for a whopping 7 yards last night and 2 receptions for 14 yards I think. Those stats are laughable as is. I know that's not enough touches to predict what he would have gotten over the entire game, but if you watched Sportscenter after the game you would think that Bush is the second coming of Yahweh himself. "Oh God...he's so great, just look at his fluid movement and how he can cut off the opposite foot and walk on water and feed thousands with only one fig newton and some left over cream cheese...gush, gush, gush". Do I think he's an athlete? Yes. Do I think he'll do any better than any other highly touted RB? Slightly. Like someone else said, he plays for a franchise in shambles. That owner is chomping at the bit to get out of there and I think the feeling, overall, for the team is disinterest. Almost like their going through the motions since it's the Reggie Bush show. I just got the feeling like there is a black cloud hanging over that franchise that is left over from the Katrina fiasco.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
If the comparison is grounded on the theory that they are both exciting I will buy that.
I was going to start a thread asking people to please stop comparing a guy without an NFL carry to the #3 rusher of all time but it would be pointless since this line of thought is even being compounded by the ######ed media we have.
THEY ARE ABOUT AS MUCH ALIKE AS SHAQ AND AKEEM.
Bush (in college) could make the first guy miss and then take it the distance. He loved to operate in space where his incredible acceleration took over. Sanders could do that in college too. He could also make three, four, seven, or ten defenders miss on the same play. Check the Tampa, Patriots, or Cowboys playoff game run or teh Holiday Bowl against Wyoming. Sanders is the only back I've ever seen or seen film of that didn't need any space to operate. He never had it in Detroit with the terrible offensive lines and even Gale Sayers needed space to make people miss.
Bush is 5'11" 200 pounds of lean athlete. Sanders was 5'9" on a good day and 200 pounds of all lower body strength. Bush is flat speed with quick cutbacks. Sanders was cutback, then accelerate, stop, cutback, accelerate, cutback, accelerate. No one has ever even dreamed of doing what Sanders did yet try it.
Sanders was a running back galor. He ran for 2600 yards his junior year in college, ran for over 2000 in one season in the pros, and amassed 15,000 yards rushing in the NFL. He was not the greatest receiver even in the run and shoot.
Reggie Bush is a hybrid RB/WR. Reggie Bush ran for 1600 his junior year and had 400 more receiving. He will spend a lot of time in the NFL not in the slot, as a slanker, split out, in the student body, and behind the qb. Statistically not even in Sander's college neighborhood and since he has never played in an NFL game, I guess this part of the comparison will die here.
Is he going to be exciting? Yes. Is he going to be special? Yes. Is he a can't miss? I'd say pretty close. But he is not Barry Sanders and the comparison just baffles me. If you want to compare him (we always have to compare don't we?) then compare him to Marshall Faulk or Marcus Allen because he is going to spend a good portion of his career catching passes. I don't think he'll ever, ever, ever run for 1500 yards in any one season. But I can see a series of 1100 rushing seasons where he also has 700 yards receiving. I hope he does because it is good for the game and it is going to be fun to watch him operate in space.
So in closing the comparison comes up with a fairly simple result: There is no comparison except that Sanders was the most exciting football player I've ever seen, and Reggie Bush is an exciting prospect that I hope will entertain football fans for many years to come.
I was going to start a thread asking people to please stop comparing a guy without an NFL carry to the #3 rusher of all time but it would be pointless since this line of thought is even being compounded by the ######ed media we have.
THEY ARE ABOUT AS MUCH ALIKE AS SHAQ AND AKEEM.
Bush (in college) could make the first guy miss and then take it the distance. He loved to operate in space where his incredible acceleration took over. Sanders could do that in college too. He could also make three, four, seven, or ten defenders miss on the same play. Check the Tampa, Patriots, or Cowboys playoff game run or teh Holiday Bowl against Wyoming. Sanders is the only back I've ever seen or seen film of that didn't need any space to operate. He never had it in Detroit with the terrible offensive lines and even Gale Sayers needed space to make people miss.
Bush is 5'11" 200 pounds of lean athlete. Sanders was 5'9" on a good day and 200 pounds of all lower body strength. Bush is flat speed with quick cutbacks. Sanders was cutback, then accelerate, stop, cutback, accelerate, cutback, accelerate. No one has ever even dreamed of doing what Sanders did yet try it.
Sanders was a running back galor. He ran for 2600 yards his junior year in college, ran for over 2000 in one season in the pros, and amassed 15,000 yards rushing in the NFL. He was not the greatest receiver even in the run and shoot.
Reggie Bush is a hybrid RB/WR. Reggie Bush ran for 1600 his junior year and had 400 more receiving. He will spend a lot of time in the NFL not in the slot, as a slanker, split out, in the student body, and behind the qb. Statistically not even in Sander's college neighborhood and since he has never played in an NFL game, I guess this part of the comparison will die here.
Is he going to be exciting? Yes. Is he going to be special? Yes. Is he a can't miss? I'd say pretty close. But he is not Barry Sanders and the comparison just baffles me. If you want to compare him (we always have to compare don't we?) then compare him to Marshall Faulk or Marcus Allen because he is going to spend a good portion of his career catching passes. I don't think he'll ever, ever, ever run for 1500 yards in any one season. But I can see a series of 1100 rushing seasons where he also has 700 yards receiving. I hope he does because it is good for the game and it is going to be fun to watch him operate in space.
So in closing the comparison comes up with a fairly simple result: There is no comparison except that Sanders was the most exciting football player I've ever seen, and Reggie Bush is an exciting prospect that I hope will entertain football fans for many years to come.
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ImTheScientist
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BoulderBob
Footballguy
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
Hi. 
Reggie Bush = rookie, not Barry Sanders.
Glad to clear that up for you.
Reggie Bush = rookie, not Barry Sanders.
Glad to clear that up for you.
LuckyOne
Footballguy
Yes, you should make rules on who should or shouldn't post in a given topic.I was born in '73, so I never had a chance to watch Sayers live - but the tapes and his legend speak for themselves. Anyone who is comparing Bush to a back that is not in the league today should at least know of Sayers or stay out of the discussion... we arent even talking about a Marion Motley type who was great, ages ago, but that few know about, but rather one of the greatest 5 RBs of all time in many people's opinion.tikitime said:Sorry I wasn't born during the EISENHOWER administration.(For the Stern Fans in the group, picture Artie Lange)Koya said:
Reggie Bush = Tiki Barber, Only FASTER
I find it intertesting that everyone forgets about Tiki when they complain about Bush's size. Bush is better built than Barber as a ROOKIE.
They have the EXACT same body. They both have thin legs for the position. How many games has Tiki missed in his carreer? Does Tiki run up the middle at his size?
What we have here is a more EXPLOSIVE Tiki Barber. Which will probably mean taking Barber's numbers and adding some TD's...LONG Td's.
It may not happen THIS YEAR, but next year when Deuce is released, Bush will be a 1,000 - 1,000 yard Rush/Recieving Threat.
Tiki is a HOF'er, by the way.
I find it intertesting that everyone forgets about Tiki when they complain about Bush's size. Bush is better built than Barber as a ROOKIE.
They have the EXACT same body. They both have thin legs for the position. How many games has Tiki missed in his carreer? Does Tiki run up the middle at his size?
What we have here is a more EXPLOSIVE Tiki Barber. Which will probably mean taking Barber's numbers and adding some TD's...LONG Td's.
It may not happen THIS YEAR, but next year when Deuce is released, Bush will be a 1,000 - 1,000 yard Rush/Recieving Threat.
Tiki is a HOF'er, by the way.
jurb26
Footballguy
Billy1x
Footballguy
Wrong Metcalf. Eric's Father - Terri Metcalf (THE FRANCHISE) of the St. Louis Cardinals (mid 70s). Kick Returner - Punt Returner - Starting Half back. Scored s TD 5 ways in the same year (punt return, kick return, receiving, rushing, and passing). Dallas squib kicked it to keep the ball away from him.Man that brings back memories.(From Wiki) - In the 14-game 1975 season, he set a then-NFL record for combined yards with 2,462. This feat has only been eclipsed once during the 16-game era, by Lionel James of the San Diego Chargers in 1985.Ran behind one of the greatest lines of all time (Dierforf, Dobler, Banks. Young. & Finnie) Still hold the record for the least sacks in a single season. I think is was 7. Oh yeah, and Don Coryell was the coach (Joe Gibbs was the offensive coordinator).
==============Never put up top ten fantasy numbers but watching him play will be something I will never forget.
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chris1969
Footballguy
An even better comparison.Wrong Metcalf. Eric's Father - Terri Metcalf (THE FRANCHISE) of the St. Louis Cardinals (mid 70s). Kick Returner - Punt Returner - Starting Half back. Scored s TD 5 ways in the same year (punt return, kick return, receiving, rushing, and passing). Dallas squib kicked it to keep the ball away from him.Man that brings back memories.(From Wiki) - In the 14-game 1975 season, he set a then-NFL record for combined yards with 2,462. This feat has only been eclipsed once during the 16-game era, by Lionel James of the San Diego Chargers in 1985.Ran behind one of the greatest lines of all time (Dierforf, Dobler, Banks. Young. & Finnie) Still hold the record for the least sacks in a single season. I think is was 7. Oh yeah, and Don Coryell was the coach (Joe Gibbs was the offensive coordinator).
Traders2001
Footballguy
Yesterday he looked more like J,J Arrington then Barry Sanders.
Jayrod
Footballguy
That's because New Orleans O-line is a lot like the Cardinals O-line last year.
Don Quixote
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