C. Portis knee problems (1 Viewer)

[dickey moe]

i got portis in round 9 of my super high stakes money league yesterday... all former WCOFF champions and pro gamblers.

Scarlett Johansson and Jessica Alba paid me to sleep with them last night.

 

[rascal]

If you get Portis back try to back him up with Betts. Either way you have a top-10 running back.

Problem is that to get Portis you probably would have to pick him in the third at the latest in most leagues, and Betts ADP is #71 (middle of the sixth round). To make sure you get him you might have to use a fifth rounder on him.I'm not sure two draft picks in the first five/six rounds for one starting position is good value.

 

[nygiants56]

If CP doesn't play this weekend vs N.Y. G-men then we worry no matter what right? Surely he'd play a little even if they were just being cautious this whole time;

I will be shocked if he plays at all in the preseason. I'm not worried either way.

LT didn't play last year in preseason. He isn't playing this year either. Portis sees preseason as a waste of time, in which the only thing that happens is potential injury. He won't play this weekend.

Yeah, but LT at least is wearing pads and practicing with the offense, making cuts and so forth. Portis is running/conditioning. Not taking hits or wearing pads as far as I know. There are some major difference's. I'd feel better if Portis was at least practicing at full speed with his team like LT.

BEST post in this entire thread! Portis hasn't even practiced fully yet.has knee swelling. we all know he has a surgically repaired shoulder, right?! and that shoulder has yet to be tested.and he's a hard-hitting RB.seriously now, how long will a rb like that last, with a bum shoulder AND a bum knee?!?Portis = fools gold, imo..Betts will lead that team in rushing..you can have Portis, he's a waste of a roster spot, imo..

 

[B. Nugget]

If CP doesn't play this weekend vs N.Y. G-men then we worry no matter what right? Surely he'd play a little even if they were just being cautious this whole time;

I will be shocked if he plays at all in the preseason. I'm not worried either way.

LT didn't play last year in preseason. He isn't playing this year either. Portis sees preseason as a waste of time, in which the only thing that happens is potential injury. He won't play this weekend.

Yeah, but LT at least is wearing pads and practicing with the offense, making cuts and so forth. Portis is running/conditioning. Not taking hits or wearing pads as far as I know. There are some major difference's. I'd feel better if Portis was at least practicing at full speed with his team like LT.

BEST post in this entire thread! Portis hasn't even practiced fully yet.has knee swelling. we all know he has a surgically repaired shoulder, right?! and that shoulder has yet to be tested.and he's a hard-hitting RB.seriously now, how long will a rb like that last, with a bum shoulder AND a bum knee?!?Portis = fools gold, imo..Betts will lead that team in rushing..you can have Portis, he's a waste of a roster spot, imo..

"Portis hasn't even practiced fully yet.has knee swelling. we all know he has a surgically repaired shoulder, right?! and that shoulder has yet to be tested.and he's a hard-hitting RB.seriously now, how long will a rb like that last, with a bum shoulder AND a bum knee?!?"Couldn't you say the same about Frank Gore (minus the knee swelling, plus the broken hand)? It seems that Gore has bad shoulders and 2 bad knees and people are drooling over him falling to 1.05, when his best TD season is three better than Portis' worst and one whole TD more than Portis' injury stricken season that has people picking Betts over him as a "value pick".I hope I can get him in the 3rd round of my draft tomorrow night after securing a top tier RB at 1.04 and a top tier WR at 2.09. If Portis is too risky in the 2nd or 3rd round for some people, I guess Gore is undraftable at his current ADP.

 

[fatkid]

i got portis in round 9 of my super high stakes money league yesterday... all former WCOFF champions and pro gamblers.

I never doubt that Pro Gamblers Know more than I do.

If you get Portis back try to back him up with Betts. Either way you have a top-10 running back.

Problem is that to get Portis you probably would have to pick him in the third at the latest in most leagues, and Betts ADP is #71 (middle of the sixth round). To make sure you get him you might have to use a fifth rounder on him.I'm not sure two draft picks in the first five/six rounds for one starting position is good value.

Really, Remember the Endless Preist Holmes and LJ debates from 2 years ago? People then were talking about a high first round pick and a fourth round pick for those two. Those who were able to pull that off did well for themselves.I think a 2 to 3rd round pick and a 6th to be cheap for the Redskins Running game, especially when I don't see much chance of a RBBC result.

 

[Stealthycat]

I just traded Edge and T Bell for Portis and L Jordan

Why ?

Edge will have a top side of 8 TDs IMO and T Bell ? Who the heck knows. I have Betts .......... and if Portis is healthy he's a 1500 yard and 15 TD back

 

[yinzer]

So my buddy calls me up sunday right before his pick at 3.10 and says "Who do I pick - Jacobs, Portis, or Deuce?". I'm not sure who he took the 1st 2 rounds, but I'm assuming just one RB since he told me he had to take a RB. Without really thinking, I said Portis. He ended up taking Jacobs, who I like, but I thought and still think Portis' ceiling is about 400-500 yards more and 1-3 TD's more than Jacobs and represents more value IF you have a bonafide #1 stud. However, I do think Jacobs is safer and in a better offense.

On a more important note, how are you guys who haven't drafted yet and want to draft Portis strategizing to take him while keeping in mind the fact he might end up not helping your team due to injury/depleting your RB corps?

I can't imagine passing him up in the 3rd, and will take him there, but I'm unsure of where I'm drafting as of now. I believe he could go in the 2nd in my league, but here's my quandary. If I or whoever is targeting him in round 3, you are almost certainly taking a top flight WR in round 2, correct? At least thats my thinking because I think the RB value runs out after about the #13 RB. Im no mathematician, but I think if this strategy is used and Portis is there in the 3rd, its great. However, if someone takes him after your 2nd pick and before your #3 comes around, I think this spells big trouble because you're reaching for a Peterson, Ahman or TJ here to make sure you have your starting RB's. And as Son House said, I think you'd also be signing your Death Letter if you don't have 2 RB's after the first 3 rounds and taking 1 of those guys I believe is a stretch when there's still Top 10 WR's on the board.

And I just can't picture him lasting past round 3, so thats why Im framing the question this way. Kudos to you guys who got him in 4 or 5.

Thoughts on targeting Portis/draft scenarios?

 

[ImTheScientist]

So my buddy calls me up sunday right before his pick at 3.10 and says "Who do I pick - Jacobs, Portis, or Deuce?". I'm not sure who he took the 1st 2 rounds, but I'm assuming just one RB since he told me he had to take a RB. Without really thinking, I said Portis. He ended up taking Jacobs, who I like, but I thought and still think Portis' ceiling is about 400-500 yards more and 1-3 TD's more than Jacobs and represents more value IF you have a bonafide #1 stud. However, I do think Jacobs is safer and in a better offense.On a more important note, how are you guys who haven't drafted yet and want to draft Portis strategizing to take him while keeping in mind the fact he might end up not helping your team due to injury/depleting your RB corps?I can't imagine passing him up in the 3rd, and will take him there, but I'm unsure of where I'm drafting as of now. I believe he could go in the 2nd in my league, but here's my quandary. If I or whoever is targeting him in round 3, you are almost certainly taking a top flight WR in round 2, correct? Im no mathematician, but I think if this strategy is used and Portis is there in the 3rd, its great. However, if someone takes him after your 2nd pick and before your #3 comes around, I think this spells big trouble because you're reaching for a Peterson, Ahman or TJ here to make sure you have your starting RB's, but as Son House said, I think you'd also be signing your Death Letter if you don't have 2 RB's after the first 3 rounds.And I just can't picture him lasting past round 3, so thats why Im framing the question this way. Kudos to you guys who got him in 4 or 5.Thoughts on targeting Portis/draft scenarios?

There is a reason that 2nd-3rd round Rb's are 2nd-3rd round Rb's.......RISK. If you take a RB in the first round why not take a flyer on Portis. Just last year he was being talked about as making the jump to a TOP 3 RB. Take him in the second and enjoy winning your league.

 

[Jabroniking]

I just had my draft over the weekend and Portis was being treated like he had the plague. I finally took him in the 6th round as my 4th RB. I was going to take him in the 5th, but I really wanted Peterson. I understand that Portis is a risk, but the 6th round? That's a little ridiculous.

 

[yinzer]

So my buddy calls me up sunday right before his pick at 3.10 and says "Who do I pick - Jacobs, Portis, or Deuce?". I'm not sure who he took the 1st 2 rounds, but I'm assuming just one RB since he told me he had to take a RB. Without really thinking, I said Portis. He ended up taking Jacobs, who I like, but I thought and still think Portis' ceiling is about 400-500 yards more and 1-3 TD's more than Jacobs and represents more value IF you have a bonafide #1 stud. However, I do think Jacobs is safer and in a better offense.On a more important note, how are you guys who haven't drafted yet and want to draft Portis strategizing to take him while keeping in mind the fact he might end up not helping your team due to injury/depleting your RB corps?I can't imagine passing him up in the 3rd, and will take him there, but I'm unsure of where I'm drafting as of now. I believe he could go in the 2nd in my league, but here's my quandary. If I or whoever is targeting him in round 3, you are almost certainly taking a top flight WR in round 2, correct? Im no mathematician, but I think if this strategy is used and Portis is there in the 3rd, its great. However, if someone takes him after your 2nd pick and before your #3 comes around, I think this spells big trouble because you're reaching for a Peterson, Ahman or TJ here to make sure you have your starting RB's, but as Son House said, I think you'd also be signing your Death Letter if you don't have 2 RB's after the first 3 rounds.And I just can't picture him lasting past round 3, so thats why Im framing the question this way. Kudos to you guys who got him in 4 or 5.Thoughts on targeting Portis/draft scenarios?

There is a reason that 2nd-3rd round Rb's are 2nd-3rd round Rb's.......RISK. If you take a RB in the first round why not take a flyer on Portis. Just last year he was being talked about as making the jump to a TOP 3 RB. Take him in the second and enjoy winning your league.

I might just do that if it's late 2nd, but right now I don't know that Im quite that sold on him. I realize he's got Top 5 talent, but if I take him #2, I feel like I would have to take another RB in round 4, no matter who/what value is there, to make sure I have at least a starter at #3RB, and then there's grabbing Betts in #6-8. Taking him 2nd certainly increases the risk/reward in my eyes, not to mention lowers the value you're getting.If I only knew if I could get him in round 3-4...schnike

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I can't imagine passing him up in the 3rd, and will take him there, but I'm unsure of where I'm drafting as of now. I believe he could go in the 2nd in my league, but here's my quandary. If I or whoever is targeting him in round 3, you are almost certainly taking a top flight WR in round 2, correct? At least thats my thinking because I think the RB value runs out after about the #13 RB. Im no mathematician, but I think if this strategy is used and Portis is there in the 3rd, its great. However, if someone takes him after your 2nd pick and before your #3 comes around, I think this spells big trouble because you're reaching for a Peterson, Ahman or TJ here to make sure you have your starting RB's.

Yes. He's only on my radar if I take a Holt/Owens round two..or if he slips a couple of rounds as some are finding. I hate the RB depth after McGahee. The drafts I saw had Peterson and Green going in round 4, Jacobs in round 3. But you never know how your draft will actually go.

 

[fsufan]

email from CBS

Redskins RB Clinton Portis, sidelined for more than three weeks with tendinitis in his knee, took part in some agilitydrills Tuesday but indicated he probably won't play until the season opener Sept. 9. "That's the date we're shooting for right now," Portis said. "I've been taking hits for about 13, 14 years, and I'm sure the game of football hasn'tchanged. What's going to be the shock? I know how it feels to get hit. My goal is to keep from being hit."The last 12 months have not been kind to Portis. Last preseason, he separated his shoulder making a tackle in a preseason game, then broke his right hand last November and was diagnosed with patella tendinitis in May of this year. Suffice to say, Portis is a legit injury risk in 2007. If you spend a late second- or early third-round pick on Portisin drafts this year, make sure you spend a pick in Round 5 or 6 on Ladell Betts, since he'll likely see more playing time anyway with Portis dinged.

 

[Heinz 57]

Portis for T Jones? I think I can swing it.... I dunno what do you guys think.

IMO Portis will start and play well in the opener...but part of it is wishful thinking being a CP owner.

 

[switz]

Not sure if anyone posted this yet:

Can skins backs gain 1000 yards each

Portis has been sidelined temporarily this training camp while the tendinitis in his knee calms down. The Redskins want him ready for the regular season and are not going to take any chances with him in the preseason.

Betts, 27, took over after Portis was injured last season and gained 1,154 on 245 carries (4.7 yards per run).

Can he match that while Portis adds 500 yards to his total?

"I hope so," Betts said. "It depends on how many carries we're getting, and that depends on how Coach Gibbs and Coach [Al] Saunders want to divide up the carries."

Saunders is the associate head coach/offense. He calls the plays on game day. He also is largely responsible for the design of the offense.

"Anything's possible, but it's unfair to put that on them because a lot depends on their health, how we utilize them and how our opponents play them," Saunders said.

Portis, 5-11, 223, and Betts, 5-11, 225, plan to play quite a bit. But if Portis stays healthy, he will get the bulk of the work. Betts is more than just a backup, but there are no plans to give the running backs equal time.

"I understand my role," Betts said. "Whatever I get during the season is what I earn. If I play well and practice hard, I'll earn some carries. I'll take what they give me. I like to earn my time."

If Portis feels less than 100 percent or wants a breather, he has not been reluctant to take himself out of games and turn over the running game to Betts. But Saunders is not a fan of a player-determined rotation. Saunders wants to make such personnel decisions, and in crucial situations, he seems to prefer to have Portis in the game.

"We came to a meeting of the minds on that," Portis said.

Even with two quality running backs, it's hard to get each enough carries to crack the 1,000-yard barrier. The Jacksonville Jaguars came close last season. Fred Taylor gained 1,146 yards on 231 carries and Maurice Jones-Drew gained 941 on 166 carries.

"Can we do it?" Byner said. "Yeah, we can do it. Do I foresee us doing it? Umm, probably not. You'll probably see one guy gain around 1,500 and the other guy around 600 or 700. I'd like to see one of them around 1,800 or 1,900 yards.

"And both are very capable of doing that."

They planned on resting him the whole preseason from the beginning.

 

[sho nuff]

I just had my draft over the weekend and Portis was being treated like he had the plague. I finally took him in the 6th round as my 4th RB. I was going to take him in the 5th, but I really wanted Peterson. I understand that Portis is a risk, but the 6th round? That's a little ridiculous.

We have about the same RBs.Alexander, Benson, Portis, Brown...though I have Norwood rather than Peterson and I grabbed Turner later.I took him in the 5th of a 10 teamer right after it was announced that he was coming to nashville to see Dr. Andrews.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Not sure if anyone posted this yet:

Can skins backs gain 1000 yards each

Portis has been sidelined temporarily this training camp while the tendinitis in his knee calms down. The Redskins want him ready for the regular season and are not going to take any chances with him in the preseason.

Betts, 27, took over after Portis was injured last season and gained 1,154 on 245 carries (4.7 yards per run).

Can he match that while Portis adds 500 yards to his total?

"I hope so," Betts said. "It depends on how many carries we're getting, and that depends on how Coach Gibbs and Coach [Al] Saunders want to divide up the carries."

Saunders is the associate head coach/offense. He calls the plays on game day. He also is largely responsible for the design of the offense.

"Anything's possible, but it's unfair to put that on them because a lot depends on their health, how we utilize them and how our opponents play them," Saunders said.

Portis, 5-11, 223, and Betts, 5-11, 225, plan to play quite a bit. But if Portis stays healthy, he will get the bulk of the work. Betts is more than just a backup, but there are no plans to give the running backs equal time.

"I understand my role," Betts said. "Whatever I get during the season is what I earn. If I play well and practice hard, I'll earn some carries. I'll take what they give me. I like to earn my time."

If Portis feels less than 100 percent or wants a breather, he has not been reluctant to take himself out of games and turn over the running game to Betts. But Saunders is not a fan of a player-determined rotation. Saunders wants to make such personnel decisions, and in crucial situations, he seems to prefer to have Portis in the game.

"We came to a meeting of the minds on that," Portis said.

Even with two quality running backs, it's hard to get each enough carries to crack the 1,000-yard barrier. The Jacksonville Jaguars came close last season. Fred Taylor gained 1,146 yards on 231 carries and Maurice Jones-Drew gained 941 on 166 carries.

"Can we do it?" Byner said. "Yeah, we can do it. Do I foresee us doing it? Umm, probably not. You'll probably see one guy gain around 1,500 and the other guy around 600 or 700. I'd like to see one of them around 1,800 or 1,900 yards.

"And both are very capable of doing that."

They planned on resting him the whole preseason from the beginning.

Just made my day! Portis the the SOD. Congrats if you have him......you are on your way to a championship.

 

[Peyton Marino]

Not sure if anyone posted this yet:

Can skins backs gain 1000 yards each

Portis has been sidelined temporarily this training camp while the tendinitis in his knee calms down. The Redskins want him ready for the regular season and are not going to take any chances with him in the preseason.

Betts, 27, took over after Portis was injured last season and gained 1,154 on 245 carries (4.7 yards per run).

Can he match that while Portis adds 500 yards to his total?

"I hope so," Betts said. "It depends on how many carries we're getting, and that depends on how Coach Gibbs and Coach [Al] Saunders want to divide up the carries."

Saunders is the associate head coach/offense. He calls the plays on game day. He also is largely responsible for the design of the offense.

"Anything's possible, but it's unfair to put that on them because a lot depends on their health, how we utilize them and how our opponents play them," Saunders said.

Portis, 5-11, 223, and Betts, 5-11, 225, plan to play quite a bit. But if Portis stays healthy, he will get the bulk of the work. Betts is more than just a backup, but there are no plans to give the running backs equal time.

"I understand my role," Betts said. "Whatever I get during the season is what I earn. If I play well and practice hard, I'll earn some carries. I'll take what they give me. I like to earn my time."

If Portis feels less than 100 percent or wants a breather, he has not been reluctant to take himself out of games and turn over the running game to Betts. But Saunders is not a fan of a player-determined rotation. Saunders wants to make such personnel decisions, and in crucial situations, he seems to prefer to have Portis in the game.

"We came to a meeting of the minds on that," Portis said.

Even with two quality running backs, it's hard to get each enough carries to crack the 1,000-yard barrier. The Jacksonville Jaguars came close last season. Fred Taylor gained 1,146 yards on 231 carries and Maurice Jones-Drew gained 941 on 166 carries.

"Can we do it?" Byner said. "Yeah, we can do it. Do I foresee us doing it? Umm, probably not. You'll probably see one guy gain around 1,500 and the other guy around 600 or 700. I'd like to see one of them around 1,800 or 1,900 yards.

"And both are very capable of doing that."

They planned on resting him the whole preseason from the beginning.

Just made my day! Portis the the SOD. Congrats if you have him......you are on your way to a championship.

he's still only running in straight lines.

 

[redman]

he's still only running in straight lines.

Shortest distance to the end zone.

 

[Righetti]

nothing new but from Jason La Canfora's Redskin Insider blog

Afternoon Update

Dallas Sartz broke out in hives and had a bad allergic reaction to some ointment on a band-aid, and missed practice because of that. Not expected to be out long.

Dee Brown was excused from practice for personal reasons.

Clinton Portis says he is shooting for a Sept. 9 return (big shocker there).

Jordan Palmer says - fingers crossed - he is optimisctic about getting his first preseason work this Saturday with

Jason Campbell all but certain to miss.

LB Randall Godfrey will be brought along slowly after missing so much time and could see a very limited role Saturday, Gregg Williams said, but they will take it day by day. Khary Campbell has been working on the strong side most of camp and seems likely to get the start there with Marcus Washington out.

 

[switz]

he's still only running in straight lines.

That's to avoid preseason blog entry

Of course paint me skeptical on whether he'll play this week -- I'm voting a no. If not because of his current status, than because of last year's fiasco where he went down in the preseason and seemed to hold some animosity about it. In light of the fact that Jerome Bettis just admitted to lying about an injury to keep his job it would not surprise me if the seriousness of the injury was played up by Portis to avoid playing in the preseason.

NOTE: I am not calling anyone on our team a liar. But if Jerome Bettis is willing to lie to a coaching staff about an injury to keep his job, it would hardly surprise me if one of our own players talked his way out of the field rather than genuinely pained his way off of it. And I'm not even being judgmental here: It may or may not be better for Clinton Portis to remain off the field in this situation. I am making no value judgment on that one way or the other, for the moment at least.

If he was that bad, they wouldn't say he'd play in the gamee if it wasn't preseason.Rotoworld

Redskins coach Joe Gibbs says Clinton Portis would've played in Saturday night's game had it been the regular season.

Portis, who has missed much of camp with knee tendinitis, is being rested and rehabbed for "as long as possible." He's been taking part in some light practice drills, but isn't doing any cutting or turning on the knee. Aug. 19 - 9:53

 

[ImTheScientist]

 

[packersfan]

They planned on resting him the whole preseason from the beginning.

Did they plan on him not practicing most of camp so far too? Again, I could care less if he misses the preseason. It's the fact he isn't practicing that remains a major red flag for me.I'm a huge Portis fan. I want badly to view him as a huge sleeper with a terrific ADP. But the continued absence from practice continues to deter me from believing that's the case.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Clinton Portis says he is shooting for a Sept. 9 return (big shocker there).

So there is even some doubt from Portis himself - interesting.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Clinton Portis says he is shooting for a Sept. 9 return (big shocker there).

So there is even some doubt from Portis himself - interesting.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Portis owner in 3 leagues.....

Steal of the draft baby....I am amazed how someone who was an unanimous 4th ot 5th pick in drafts last year can fall so much in one year

 

[ImTheScientist]

Portis owner in 3 leagues.....

Steal of the draft baby....I am amazed how someone who was an unanimous 4th ot 5th pick in drafts last year can fall so much in one year

Could not agree more!!!!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Clinton Portis says he is shooting for a Sept. 9 return (big shocker there).

So there is even some doubt from Portis himself - interesting.

What is the sarcasm?If Portis is "shooting for", then he isnt saying "he will". Which is him having some doubt, however small.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Portis owner in 3 leagues..... Steal of the draft baby....I am amazed how someone who was an unanimous 4th ot 5th pick in drafts last year can fall so much in one year

It's called panic.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Portis owner in 3 leagues..... Steal of the draft baby....I am amazed how someone who was an unanimous 4th ot 5th pick in drafts last year can fall so much in one year

Have Portis in all my leagues as well. The man is the most undervalued RB of 07'.He wasn't going to be playing in any preseason games regardless of health. The not practicing does have me a bit concerned, but CP is his own man and does whatever he wants to do. If he feels he doesn't need practice (allen iverson style) then CP doesn't need practice.The elite talents call their own shots.

 

[SCT]

Count me as one of the lucky. I have Portis as one of my 2 keepers, and just traded away McGahee and an extra pick to make SJax my other keeper! If Portis is healthy all year, that is pure gold.

 

[dgreen]

Clinton Portis says he is shooting for a Sept. 9 return (big shocker there).

So there is even some doubt from Portis himself - interesting.

What is the sarcasm?If Portis is "shooting for", then he isnt saying "he will". Which is him having some doubt, however small.

I wouldn't analyse Portis' words that closely.

 

[packersfan]

Portis owner in 3 leagues..... The not practicing does have me a bit concerned, but CP is his own man and does whatever he wants to do. If he feels he doesn't need practice (allen iverson style) then CP doesn't need practice.The elite talents call their own shots.

That smells like rationalization to me. The guy barely played last season. Regardless of how talented he is (and I agree Portis when healthy is an elite talent) I have to believe the Redskins would want to get him on the practice field if he was healthy. The fact he's missed so much practice time leads me to think he isn't healthy and the team is hoping that by resting him he will be healthy when the season begins. Maybe that happens but that's a huge risk to take if you're considering drafting Portis.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Portis owner in 3 leagues..... The not practicing does have me a bit concerned, but CP is his own man and does whatever he wants to do. If he feels he doesn't need practice (allen iverson style) then CP doesn't need practice.The elite talents call their own shots.

That smells like rationalization to me. The guy barely played last season. Regardless of how talented he is (and I agree Portis when healthy is an elite talent) I have to believe the Redskins would want to get him on the practice field if he was healthy. The fact he's missed so much practice time leads me to think he isn't healthy and the team is hoping that by resting him he will be healthy when the season begins. Maybe that happens but that's a huge risk to take if you're considering drafting Portis.

If he doesn't practice in the next couple weeks i will start to get very concerned, but at this point there is still a few weeks before the season starts. He doesn't need months of prep, he understands the offense.

 

[lawrence phillips]

If CP is there in late round 3 when I pick, I will take him. Its part of the reason I am probably going WR in round 2. At the same time, I am going to make sure I get Betts and I'd recommend the same for any Portis owner. The fact that the first time he tested his knee, he aggrevated it and hasn't practiced since is alarming. Even more alarming is the fact that he's not even cutting on his own. If he's healthy, its a steal, but nobody knows how healthy he really is. So sure, its fun to get a talent like Portis in rounds 3 and 4, but it won't be fun if the guy misses significant time and that is a distinct possibility.

 

[B. Nugget]

Portis owner in 3 leagues..... The not practicing does have me a bit concerned, but CP is his own man and does whatever he wants to do. If he feels he doesn't need practice (allen iverson style) then CP doesn't need practice.The elite talents call their own shots.

That smells like rationalization to me. The guy barely played last season. Regardless of how talented he is (and I agree Portis when healthy is an elite talent) I have to believe the Redskins would want to get him on the practice field if he was healthy. The fact he's missed so much practice time leads me to think he isn't healthy and the team is hoping that by resting him he will be healthy when the season begins. Maybe that happens but that's a huge risk to take if you're considering drafting Portis.

Isn't tendonitis an over-use injury? Why wouldn't he be resting it and only doing conditioning drills to stay in shape? How else would you treat an over-use injury? Also, for a guy that barely played, he still scored 7 times. That is 3 more TDs than Betts and only 2 less than Betts has scored in his career.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Portis owner in 3 leagues..... The not practicing does have me a bit concerned, but CP is his own man and does whatever he wants to do. If he feels he doesn't need practice (allen iverson style) then CP doesn't need practice.

The elite talents call their own shots.

That smells like rationalization to me. The guy barely played last season. Regardless of how talented he is (and I agree Portis when healthy is an elite talent) I have to believe the Redskins would want to get him on the practice field if he was healthy. The fact he's missed so much practice time leads me to think he isn't healthy and the team is hoping that by resting him he will be healthy when the season begins. Maybe that happens but that's a huge risk to take if you're considering drafting Portis.

Isn't tendonitis an over-use injury? Why wouldn't he be resting it and only doing conditioning drills to stay in shape? How else would you treat an over-use injury?

Also, for a guy that barely played, he still scored 7 times. That is 3 more TDs than Betts and only 2 less than Betts has scored in his career.

 

[Gopher State]

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Can skins backs gain 1000 yards each

Portis has been sidelined temporarily this training camp while the tendinitis in his knee calms down. The Redskins want him ready for the regular season and are not going to take any chances with him in the preseason.

Betts, 27, took over after Portis was injured last season and gained 1,154 on 245 carries (4.7 yards per run).

Can he match that while Portis adds 500 yards to his total?

"I hope so," Betts said. "It depends on how many carries we're getting, and that depends on how Coach Gibbs and Coach [Al] Saunders want to divide up the carries."

Saunders is the associate head coach/offense. He calls the plays on game day. He also is largely responsible for the design of the offense.

"Anything's possible, but it's unfair to put that on them because a lot depends on their health, how we utilize them and how our opponents play them," Saunders said.

Portis, 5-11, 223, and Betts, 5-11, 225, plan to play quite a bit. But if Portis stays healthy, he will get the bulk of the work. Betts is more than just a backup, but there are no plans to give the running backs equal time.

"I understand my role," Betts said. "Whatever I get during the season is what I earn. If I play well and practice hard, I'll earn some carries. I'll take what they give me. I like to earn my time."

If Portis feels less than 100 percent or wants a breather, he has not been reluctant to take himself out of games and turn over the running game to Betts. But Saunders is not a fan of a player-determined rotation. Saunders wants to make such personnel decisions, and in crucial situations, he seems to prefer to have Portis in the game.

"We came to a meeting of the minds on that," Portis said.

Even with two quality running backs, it's hard to get each enough carries to crack the 1,000-yard barrier. The Jacksonville Jaguars came close last season. Fred Taylor gained 1,146 yards on 231 carries and Maurice Jones-Drew gained 941 on 166 carries.

"Can we do it?" Byner said. "Yeah, we can do it. Do I foresee us doing it? Umm, probably not. You'll probably see one guy gain around 1,500 and the other guy around 600 or 700. I'd like to see one of them around 1,800 or 1,900 yards.

"And both are very capable of doing that."

They planned on resting him the whole preseason from the beginning.

Just made my day! Portis the the SOD. Congrats if you have him......you are on your way to a championship.

Only if you also drafted Betts, Portis has D. Davis written all over him.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Only if you also drafted Betts, Portis has D. Davis written all over him.

I don't know for sure if Portis is healthy or not, but his knee has nothing in common with the problem that DD had.

 

[dgreen]

Portis owner in 3 leagues..... The not practicing does have me a bit concerned, but CP is his own man and does whatever he wants to do. If he feels he doesn't need practice (allen iverson style) then CP doesn't need practice.The elite talents call their own shots.

That smells like rationalization to me. The guy barely played last season. Regardless of how talented he is (and I agree Portis when healthy is an elite talent) I have to believe the Redskins would want to get him on the practice field if he was healthy. The fact he's missed so much practice time leads me to think he isn't healthy and the team is hoping that by resting him he will be healthy when the season begins. Maybe that happens but that's a huge risk to take if you're considering drafting Portis.

If he doesn't practice in the next couple weeks i will start to get very concerned, but at this point there is still a few weeks before the season starts. He doesn't need months of prep, he understands the offense.

My prediction is he'll be miraculously ready to practice September 1.

 

[Wally Cleaver]

If CP is there in late round 3 when I pick, I will take him. Its part of the reason I am probably going WR in round 2. At the same time, I am going to make sure I get Betts and I'd recommend the same for any Portis owner. The fact that the first time he tested his knee, he aggrevated it and hasn't practiced since is alarming. Even more alarming is the fact that he's not even cutting on his own. If he's healthy, its a steal, but nobody knows how healthy he really is. So sure, its fun to get a talent like Portis in rounds 3 and 4, but it won't be fun if the guy misses significant time and that is a distinct possibility.

Agreed... I find it very difficult using a pick on someone in the first three rounds, that we really have no idea on at this time...

 

[BigJim®]

Clinton Portis says he is shooting for a Sept. 9 return (big shocker there).

So there is even some doubt from Portis himself - interesting.

What is the sarcasm?If Portis is "shooting for", then he isnt saying "he will". Which is him having some doubt, however small.

It's blatent that he's 'shooting for' exactly when preseason ends and the real season begins. He's as much as admitted publically that he's just skipping the preseason because he was irritated getting injured in senseless preseason action last season. You'd have to be entirely between-the-lines-blind to take his words literally at this point.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Clinton Portis says he is shooting for a Sept. 9 return (big shocker there).

So there is even some doubt from Portis himself - interesting.

What is the sarcasm?If Portis is "shooting for", then he isnt saying "he will". Which is him having some doubt, however small.

It's blatent that he's 'shooting for' exactly when preseason ends and the real season begins. He's as much as admitted publically that he's just skipping the preseason because he was irritated getting injured in senseless preseason action last season. You'd have to be entirely between-the-lines-blind to take his words literally at this point.

Okay, so what he said - he didnt mean.

 

[redman]

Portis owner in 3 leagues..... The not practicing does have me a bit concerned, but CP is his own man and does whatever he wants to do. If he feels he doesn't need practice (allen iverson style) then CP doesn't need practice.The elite talents call their own shots.

That smells like rationalization to me. The guy barely played last season. Regardless of how talented he is (and I agree Portis when healthy is an elite talent) I have to believe the Redskins would want to get him on the practice field if he was healthy. The fact he's missed so much practice time leads me to think he isn't healthy and the team is hoping that by resting him he will be healthy when the season begins. Maybe that happens but that's a huge risk to take if you're considering drafting Portis.

If he doesn't practice in the next couple weeks i will start to get very concerned, but at this point there is still a few weeks before the season starts. He doesn't need months of prep, he understands the offense.

My prediction is he'll be miraculously ready to practice September 1.

That's my fear. My redraft league draft is Saturday 9/8, so I'm ironically hoping there's still doubt that late about his condition.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Clinton Portis says he is shooting for a Sept. 9 return (big shocker there).

So there is even some doubt from Portis himself - interesting.

What is the sarcasm?If Portis is "shooting for", then he isnt saying "he will". Which is him having some doubt, however small.

It's blatent that he's 'shooting for' exactly when preseason ends and the real season begins. He's as much as admitted publically that he's just skipping the preseason because he was irritated getting injured in senseless preseason action last season. You'd have to be entirely between-the-lines-blind to take his words literally at this point.

Okay, so what he said - he didnt mean.

 

[dgreen]

Clinton Portis says he is shooting for a Sept. 9 return (big shocker there).

So there is even some doubt from Portis himself - interesting.

What is the sarcasm?If Portis is "shooting for", then he isnt saying "he will". Which is him having some doubt, however small.

It's blatent that he's 'shooting for' exactly when preseason ends and the real season begins. He's as much as admitted publically that he's just skipping the preseason because he was irritated getting injured in senseless preseason action last season. You'd have to be entirely between-the-lines-blind to take his words literally at this point.

Okay, so what he said - he didnt mean.

Last year, a few days before their first game, Portis said he was 75%. The very next day, he said he was 93.9%. While not starting, and not carrying the full load, he played week 1.Like I said, don't analyse Portis' comments so closely. He's a nut.

 

[BigA]

If you get Portis back try to back him up with Betts. Either way you have a top-10 running back.

not if they share carries.

 

[packersfan]

Portis owner in 3 leagues..... The not practicing does have me a bit concerned, but CP is his own man and does whatever he wants to do. If he feels he doesn't need practice (allen iverson style) then CP doesn't need practice.

The elite talents call their own shots.

That smells like rationalization to me. The guy barely played last season. Regardless of how talented he is (and I agree Portis when healthy is an elite talent) I have to believe the Redskins would want to get him on the practice field if he was healthy. The fact he's missed so much practice time leads me to think he isn't healthy and the team is hoping that by resting him he will be healthy when the season begins. Maybe that happens but that's a huge risk to take if you're considering drafting Portis.

Isn't tendonitis an over-use injury? Why wouldn't he be resting it and only doing conditioning drills to stay in shape? How else would you treat an over-use injury?

Also, for a guy that barely played, he still scored 7 times. That is 3 more TDs than Betts and only 2 less than Betts has scored in his career.

How exactly was I owned? I've said several times in this thread that I'm a huge Portis fan and that when healthy he's an elite talent. I never said Portis stunk last season; I said he barely played which is correct. He missed half the season and when you consider where he was being drafted he likely killed many (if not most) of the owners who drafted him. I'm not a doctor so I have no idea how best to treat Portis' injury. I trust the Redskins are doing right by him. However, I stand by my point that the fact he isn't practicing is a major red flag. It seems that the Redskins are hoping he'll be healthy rather than knowing for certain he will be. That's a huge difference and depending on where you draft Portis it could be one that impacts many of the owners who draft him this year.

 

[toppshelff]

Portis owner in 3 leagues..... The not practicing does have me a bit concerned, but CP is his own man and does whatever he wants to do. If he feels he doesn't need practice (allen iverson style) then CP doesn't need practice.The elite talents call their own shots.

That smells like rationalization to me. The guy barely played last season. Regardless of how talented he is (and I agree Portis when healthy is an elite talent) I have to believe the Redskins would want to get him on the practice field if he was healthy. The fact he's missed so much practice time leads me to think he isn't healthy and the team is hoping that by resting him he will be healthy when the season begins. Maybe that happens but that's a huge risk to take if you're considering drafting Portis.

Isn't tendonitis an over-use injury? Why wouldn't he be resting it and only doing conditioning drills to stay in shape? How else would you treat an over-use injury? Also, for a guy that barely played, he still scored 7 times. That is 3 more TDs than Betts and only 2 less than Betts has scored in his career.

My thoughts exactly. If I have tendonititis (inflammation of the tendon, I believe), I would do everything I could to let the inflammation settle down before I tried to stir it up again with cuts and hitting. When I had inflammation in my back, I walked a lot, but didn't run for a long time for this same reason. When I did start to run, I had no issues. Had I started running earlier, I might have re-aggravated the injury, exacerbating the inflammation. But I'm not an MD...If I were Portis, I wouldn't cut until I absolutely had to. He may have no idea of how he will feel when he does cut, but I hope he doesn't start cutting or hitting until a few days before game 1.I think your willingness to take him depends on your willingness to win big or lose big. Taking Portis as your RB2 will either lead you to the championship or make you miss the playoffs. If you want to "play it safe" and end up in the middle of your league, take Edge instead. Rudi, Edge, Cadillac will be a very safe trio of RBs that will not win you a championship, IMHO. Gore, Portis and Norwood might kill you, but could lead you to the promised land.

 

[Gopher State]

Clinton Portis (knee tendinitis) is not doing cutting drills at camp.

He's increased his practice workload, but is only running in a straight line. Portis didn't seem overly concerned about his status when asked on Wednesday, saying he's targeting Week 1 as the date for his return.

Source: Washington Post

Well at least he can run in a straight line, thats positive news.

 

[Irish]

If you get Portis back try to back him up with Betts. Either way you have a top-10 running back.

not if they share carries.

Read up a few posts and you can see that Saunders has no intention of a RBBC approach and Betts himself has admitted it.