C. Portis knee problems (1 Viewer)

[Nigel Tufnel]

However.. isn't it a little soon to consider him out of the woods?

Yeah, I agree. That's kind of what I meant above.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

I don't even consider him out of the woods just because he's going to have a full practice for the first time since whenever.

 

[Righetti]

Redskins RB Portis Returns To Practice As Expected

Jason La Confora, Washington Post - [Full Article]

Washington Redskins RB Clinton Portis's return to practice today made it the first day in awhile that the team had perfect attendance at a workout. Portis is still doubtful to play in the final preseason game.

 

[FBGPoker]

Redskins RB Portis Returns To Practice As Expected

Jason La Confora, Washington Post - [Full Article]

Washington Redskins RB Clinton Portis's return to practice today made it the first day in awhile that the team had perfect attendance at a workout. Portis is still doubtful to play in the final preseason game.

He's basically been doubtful to play in a preseason game since he messed up his shoulder last year in the preseason.No way he is gonna risk getting hurt before the real season for the 2nd year in a row.

 

[Irish]

If CP doesn't play this weekend vs N.Y. G-men then we worry no matter what right? Surely he'd play a little even if they were just being cautious this whole time;

I will be shocked if he plays at all in the preseason. I'm not worried either way.

LT didn't play last year in preseason. He isn't playing this year either. Portis sees preseason as a waste of time, in which the only thing that happens is potential injury. He won't play this weekend.

Yeah, but LT at least is wearing pads and practicing with the offense, making cuts and so forth. Portis is running/conditioning. Not taking hits or wearing pads as far as I know. There are some major difference's. I'd feel better if Portis was at least practicing at full speed with his team like LT.

BEST post in this entire thread!

Portis hasn't even practiced fully yet.has knee swelling. we all know he has a surgically repaired shoulder, right?! and that shoulder has yet to be tested.and he's a hard-hitting RB.seriously now, how long will a rb like that last, with a bum shoulder AND a bum knee?!?

Portis = fools gold, imo..

Betts will lead that team in rushing..

you can have Portis, he's a waste of a roster spot, imo..

Just thought I would bump this

Please don't do that. nygiants56 is the only poster I have on IGNORE. When you quote him, I see his posts.TIA

You don't have King Biggie Cube on ignore?

 

[Dudley Do-Right]

Redskins RB Portis Returns To Practice As Expected

Jason La Confora, Washington Post - [Full Article]

Washington Redskins RB Clinton Portis's return to practice today made it the first day in awhile that the team had perfect attendance at a workout. Portis is still doubtful to play in the final preseason game.

He's basically been doubtful to play in a preseason game since he messed up his shoulder last year in the preseason.No way he is gonna risk getting hurt before the real season for the 2nd year in a row.

Clinton Portis in the 3rd round is going to win a lot of league championships this season.

 

[Peyton Marino]

Championship

 

[DWidmar]

Anyone visit a skins practice today or hear anything on how Portis did today?

 

[redman]

Anyone visit a skins practice today or hear anything on how Portis did today?

From the horse's mouth (as written up in a synopsis on redskins.com/extremeskins.com) after practice:

Clinton Portis (RB, #26) On today’s practice: “I got some work in today. It felt pretty good actually. It was (about) going out to see what I could do and I basically participated in everything so there weren’t no short cuts or ‘if’, ‘ands’ or ‘buts’ about it. I did everything they asked me to do.” On if he was concerned about practicing today: “I was worried that I was going to show too much too soon. I have to get my legs back under me. I slipped and fell a couple times running the ball but outside of that I felt good.” On if he’s going to play against Jacksonville: “I don’t know. If I play, I play. I felt good. Hopefully, I showed them enough in practice where I don’t have to play on Thursday. I’m the running back for the Washington Redskins. Whatever the head coach and the owner tell me to do, that’s what I have to do. That’s their call.” On if he feels fine not taking a snap in the preseason: “Football hasn’t changed. I look back in the day when Jim Brown and Earl Campbell and them used to play football. It’s still the same. The same plays John Riggins ran, the same plays Earnest Byner ran, it’s still the same.” On people saying that LaDainian Thomlinson doesn’t have to play in the preseason because he’s an MVP: “He just won it last year, I’m trying. Hopefully, this is my year. Hopefully, I can prove to coach going into the season with fresh legs, and a fresh body that I’m durable for the long haul. So hopefully this is my year to win MVP.”

 

[mad sweeney]

Anyone visit a skins practice today or hear anything on how Portis did today?

From the horse's mouth (as written up in a synopsis on redskins.com/extremeskins.com) after practice:

Clinton Portis (RB, #26)

On today’s practice: “I got some work in today. It felt pretty good actually. It was (about) going out to see what I could do and I basically participated in everything so there weren’t no short cuts or ‘if’, ‘ands’ or ‘buts’ about it. I did everything they asked me to do.”

On if he was concerned about practicing today: “I was worried that I was going to show too much too soon. I have to get my legs back under me. I slipped and fell a couple times running the ball but outside of that I felt good.”

On if he’s going to play against Jacksonville: “I don’t know. If I play, I play. I felt good. Hopefully, I showed them enough in practice where I don’t have to play on Thursday. I’m the running back for the Washington Redskins. Whatever the head coach and the owner tell me to do, that’s what I have to do. That’s their call.”

On if he feels fine not taking a snap in the preseason: “Football hasn’t changed. I look back in the day when Jim Brown and Earl Campbell and them used to play football. It’s still the same. The same plays John Riggins ran, the same plays Earnest Byner ran, it’s still the same.”

On people saying that LaDainian Thomlinson doesn’t have to play in the preseason because he’s an MVP: “He just won it last year, I’m trying. Hopefully, this is my year. Hopefully, I can prove to coach going into the season with fresh legs, and a fresh body that I’m durable for the long haul. So hopefully this is my year to win MVP.”

Really fits into the "wanting to avoid preseason games" theory. Also seems like he's been hearing too much Betts man-love from FFers for his tastes.

 

[DWidmar]

Anyone visit a skins practice today or hear anything on how Portis did today?

From the horse's mouth (as written up in a synopsis on redskins.com/extremeskins.com) after practice:

Clinton Portis (RB, #26) On today’s practice: “I got some work in today. It felt pretty good actually. It was (about) going out to see what I could do and I basically participated in everything so there weren’t no short cuts or ‘if’, ‘ands’ or ‘buts’ about it. I did everything they asked me to do.” On if he was concerned about practicing today: “I was worried that I was going to show too much too soon. I have to get my legs back under me. I slipped and fell a couple times running the ball but outside of that I felt good.” On if he’s going to play against Jacksonville: “I don’t know. If I play, I play. I felt good. Hopefully, I showed them enough in practice where I don’t have to play on Thursday. I’m the running back for the Washington Redskins. Whatever the head coach and the owner tell me to do, that’s what I have to do. That’s their call.” On if he feels fine not taking a snap in the preseason: “Football hasn’t changed. I look back in the day when Jim Brown and Earl Campbell and them used to play football. It’s still the same. The same plays John Riggins ran, the same plays Earnest Byner ran, it’s still the same.” On people saying that LaDainian Thomlinson doesn’t have to play in the preseason because he’s an MVP: “He just won it last year, I’m trying. Hopefully, this is my year. Hopefully, I can prove to coach going into the season with fresh legs, and a fresh body that I’m durable for the long haul. So hopefully this is my year to win MVP.”

Thanks! We will have to see in the next few days how the tendonitis responds now that he is cutting on the knee. I was hoping he would answer that specifically but he sort of did by saying it felt pretty good.

 

[Verbal Kint]

So should I still try to get him at 3.09, or just lock him up at 2.04?

 

[menobrown]

So should I still try to get him at 3.09, or just lock him up at 2.04?

Let me give you an idea. In 3 recent highly competitive on line WCOFF drafts from Saturday Portis went in the 4th round in two of them and the 5th round in the other. These are 12 team drafts if you did not know.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

So should I still try to get him at 3.09, or just lock him up at 2.04?

Let me give you an idea. In 3 recent highly competitive on line WCOFF drafts from Saturday Portis went in the 4th round in two of them and the 5th round in the other. These are 12 team drafts if you did not know.

This news, which obviously came out after Saturday, should skyrocket him back up the boards. If he's healthy, which I'm about 90% sure of at this point, he's still an absolute steal at 2.04. Take him there.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Clinton Portis in the 3rd round is going to win a lot of league championships this season.

Finally the voice of reason; thank you.Like my new sig?

 

[menobrown]

So should I still try to get him at 3.09, or just lock him up at 2.04?

Let me give you an idea. In 3 recent highly competitive on line WCOFF drafts from Saturday Portis went in the 4th round in two of them and the 5th round in the other. These are 12 team drafts if you did not know.

This news, which obviously came out after Saturday, should skyrocket him back up the boards. If he's healthy, which I'm about 90% sure of at this point, he's still an absolute steal at 2.04. Take him there.

I hardly consider making it thru one practice a clean bill of health. But if you want to take a player attempting to come back from an injury and who will lose touches to Betts at 2.4 than that's your prerogative.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

So should I still try to get him at 3.09, or just lock him up at 2.04?

Let me give you an idea. In 3 recent highly competitive on line WCOFF drafts from Saturday Portis went in the 4th round in two of them and the 5th round in the other. These are 12 team drafts if you did not know.

This news, which obviously came out after Saturday, should skyrocket him back up the boards. If he's healthy, which I'm about 90% sure of at this point, he's still an absolute steal at 2.04. Take him there.

I hardly consider making it thru one practice a clean bill of health. But if you want to take a player attempting to come back from an injury and who will lose touches to Betts at 2.4 than that's your prerogative.

Where do you have Gore ranked?

 

[menobrown]

So should I still try to get him at 3.09, or just lock him up at 2.04?

Let me give you an idea. In 3 recent highly competitive on line WCOFF drafts from Saturday Portis went in the 4th round in two of them and the 5th round in the other. These are 12 team drafts if you did not know.

This news, which obviously came out after Saturday, should skyrocket him back up the boards. If he's healthy, which I'm about 90% sure of at this point, he's still an absolute steal at 2.04. Take him there.

I hardly consider making it thru one practice a clean bill of health. But if you want to take a player attempting to come back from an injury and who will lose touches to Betts at 2.4 than that's your prerogative.

Where do you have Gore ranked?

When Gore starts running on his hands I'll start viewing that as a relevant comparasion.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

So should I still try to get him at 3.09, or just lock him up at 2.04?

Let me give you an idea. In 3 recent highly competitive on line WCOFF drafts from Saturday Portis went in the 4th round in two of them and the 5th round in the other. These are 12 team drafts if you did not know.

This news, which obviously came out after Saturday, should skyrocket him back up the boards. If he's healthy, which I'm about 90% sure of at this point, he's still an absolute steal at 2.04. Take him there.

I hardly consider making it thru one practice a clean bill of health. But if you want to take a player attempting to come back from an injury and who will lose touches to Betts at 2.4 than that's your prerogative.

Where do you have Gore ranked?

When Gore starts running on his hands I'll start viewing that as a relevant comparasion.

Your right Gore is a much more proven back than Portis

 

[lawrence phillips]

So should I still try to get him at 3.09, or just lock him up at 2.04?

Let me give you an idea. In 3 recent highly competitive on line WCOFF drafts from Saturday Portis went in the 4th round in two of them and the 5th round in the other. These are 12 team drafts if you did not know.

This news, which obviously came out after Saturday, should skyrocket him back up the boards. If he's healthy, which I'm about 90% sure of at this point, he's still an absolute steal at 2.04. Take him there.

I hardly consider making it thru one practice a clean bill of health. But if you want to take a player attempting to come back from an injury and who will lose touches to Betts at 2.4 than that's your prerogative.

You're right meno, but at the same time, if Portis continues to practice this week you can bet your bottom dollar that he won't be going in the 5th round of many competitive drafts. I still would stay away from him in the early 2nd as of now, but I think he's good value in the 3rd and excellent value in the 4th.

 

[bdawk20]

I got the 1st pick in a 12 team PPR redraft and went with Portis at 3.01 this weekend. I can't believe he was falling into the 4th/5th round in competitive drafts. I figured its a bit of a gamble, but if he returns to even half his previous form, I feel unbeatable with him and Tomlinson.

 

[((Morpheus))]

where would portis be going if 100% healthy?

how many carries do you guys expect betts to see per game behind a healthy portis? will betts steal 3rd down duties?

 

[Da Guru]

Betts played way too good last year to be sitting.

 

[packersfan]

where would portis be going if 100% healthy?

Top 10 easy.

how many carries do you guys expect betts to see per game behind a healthy portis? will betts steal 3rd down duties?

I expect Betts to see 8-10 touches a game should Portis be at full strength. And I would anticipate the two sharing third-down duties with Betts having the edge there. The positive thing about Betts is that his presence could help keep Portis healthy throughout the entire season since there's no reason for Portis to get 25-30 touches a game and wear down given what Betts showed late last season. So I've never viewed Betts as being a major issue in terms of Portis' value. This is all about Portis' health. There is no question that Portis in the third or fourth round could be the steal of any draft if he returns to even 80% health. However, he could also be the kind of pick that kills your fantasy season if he cannot get healthy or stay healthy. I liken him to Adrian Peterson in a lot of ways. Both are guys who have the potential to be Top 10 players and both are typically available in the third and fourth rounds, but both could also prevent your team from winning if you take them there and they don't produce for whatever reason.Portis is a major gamble. He's one who could pay off big but there's no question he's a gamble. And if your turn comes in the third or fourth round and he's the best RB on the board you have to ask yourself:"Do you feel lucky? Well do ya?"

 

[menobrown]

You're right meno, but at the same time, if Portis continues to practice this week you can bet your bottom dollar that he won't be going in the 5th round of many competitive drafts. I still would stay away from him in the early 2nd as of now, but I think he's good value in the 3rd and excellent value in the 4th.

I agree with that but picking him at 2.4 is way to early but I'm rooting for him to show well this next week since I pick near the bottom of the second round and hope his emergence will push someone back to me.About the question of were would Portis rate if 100% healthy. I only do PPR leagues so I judge everything from that viewpoint and in that system I'd have a 100% healthy Portis at #7 ASSUMING Betts was not a factor. This answers another question and I expect Betts to be the sole third down back and spelling Portis during games even if Portis is 100% healthy. So my answer is I don't condsider a 100% Portis a top 15 back because while I don't see a 50/50 split I see Betts getting a role, especially in the passing game.

 

[gianmarco]

He just lasted until 5.10 in a 10 team league I'm in. Amazing how he's fallen.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

He just lasted until 5.10 in a 10 team league I'm in. Amazing how he's fallen.

given that all owners passed him up in the 4th round, all owners in your league should be embarrassed.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

I play in 3 leagues... kept him inmy IDP keeper league-keep 3 offense,3 defense

Had 2 drafts in 12 team redraft leagues the past few days. Took him at 2.04 in one and 2.05 in the other, didn't think twice. Top 5 talent/potential in the 2nd round.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I play in 3 leagues... kept him inmy IDP keeper league-keep 3 offense,3 defenseHad 2 drafts in 12 team redraft leagues the past few days. Took him at 2.04 in one and 2.05 in the other, didn't think twice. Top 5 talent/potential in the 2nd round.

Agreed. He is the best available RB in round 2 to end up in the top 5. He is being drafted as a RB 2 and in some cases a RB 3 even though he is an RB 1.I think to many people are underestimating how talented this guy is. I mean it is not as if he is a rookie with loads of talent, he has a proven track record to go with that talent. I am gladly taking him in all drafts as a RB 2.

 

[packersfan]

I think to many people are underestimating how talented this guy is.

I'm not sure that's the case. I think most of us know how good this guy is. I think it boils down to the fact he missed half the season and nearly a year later he still isn't 100 percent, has only practiced once in nearly a year's time and there's no way of knowing how healthy he can be with an injury that could prove to be an ongoing issue. Like I said before, there's no question if you get Portis in the third or fourth round it's the kind of pick that can win a fantasy title given his talent and upside. However, it's also the kind of pick that can blow up in your face if he either can't stay healthy or isn't healthy to open the season. That's why people are so unsure about him and why his stock is dropping. I think most savvy football folks know how good he is. What they don't know is whether the red flags that are clearly all over the place are worth ignoring in favor of chasing his potential upside in the early portions of a draft.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I think to many people are underestimating how talented this guy is.

I'm not sure that's the case. I think most of us know how good this guy is. I think it boils down to the fact he missed half the season and nearly a year later he still isn't 100 percent, has only practiced once in nearly a year's time and there's no way of knowing how healthy he can be with an injury that could prove to be an ongoing issue. Like I said before, there's no question if you get Portis in the third or fourth round it's the kind of pick that can win a fantasy title given his talent and upside. However, it's also the kind of pick that can blow up in your face if he either can't stay healthy or isn't healthy to open the season.

That's why people are so unsure about him and why his stock is dropping. I think most savvy football folks know how good he is. What they don't know is whether the red flags that are clearly all over the place are worth ignoring in favor of chasing his potential upside in the early portions of a draft.

People need to realize that tendonitis is not an ACL injury and Portis' injuries last year were freak accidents. I think where people are mainly struggling to view Portis as RB1-2 material is assuming Betts to have a larger role than he is going to have.

 

[packersfan]

I think to many people are underestimating how talented this guy is.

I'm not sure that's the case. I think most of us know how good this guy is. I think it boils down to the fact he missed half the season and nearly a year later he still isn't 100 percent, has only practiced once in nearly a year's time and there's no way of knowing how healthy he can be with an injury that could prove to be an ongoing issue. Like I said before, there's no question if you get Portis in the third or fourth round it's the kind of pick that can win a fantasy title given his talent and upside. However, it's also the kind of pick that can blow up in your face if he either can't stay healthy or isn't healthy to open the season.

That's why people are so unsure about him and why his stock is dropping. I think most savvy football folks know how good he is. What they don't know is whether the red flags that are clearly all over the place are worth ignoring in favor of chasing his potential upside in the early portions of a draft.

People need to realize that tendonitis is not an ACL injury and Portis' injuries last year were freak accidents. I think where people are mainly struggling to view Portis as RB1-2 material is assuming Betts to have a larger role than he is going to have.

Speaking only for myself I don't view Betts as a major issue at all given how he isn't close to being the talent Portis is when Portis is healthy. For me, this is all about the fact Portis still isn't healthy and has barely practiced in the last year. I continue to worry that he isn't healthy but rather the Redskins are hoping he'll be healthy. I'd feel A LOT better about Portis if he had been practicing full tilt for the past couple of weeks or so. I could care less that he's missing preseason games. What worries me is all the practice time he's missed. That tells me he isn't healthy and that means there's the possibility he may not be healthy either when the season starts or for its duration.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I think to many people are underestimating how talented this guy is.

I'm not sure that's the case. I think most of us know how good this guy is. I think it boils down to the fact he missed half the season and nearly a year later he still isn't 100 percent, has only practiced once in nearly a year's time and there's no way of knowing how healthy he can be with an injury that could prove to be an ongoing issue. Like I said before, there's no question if you get Portis in the third or fourth round it's the kind of pick that can win a fantasy title given his talent and upside. However, it's also the kind of pick that can blow up in your face if he either can't stay healthy or isn't healthy to open the season.

That's why people are so unsure about him and why his stock is dropping. I think most savvy football folks know how good he is. What they don't know is whether the red flags that are clearly all over the place are worth ignoring in favor of chasing his potential upside in the early portions of a draft.

You do realize that these are completely unrelated injuries, right? So saying "a year later he still isn't 100 percent" is completely irrelevant. Not quite sure why it was even mentioned.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I think to many people are underestimating how talented this guy is.

I'm not sure that's the case. I think most of us know how good this guy is. I think it boils down to the fact he missed half the season and nearly a year later he still isn't 100 percent, has only practiced once in nearly a year's time and there's no way of knowing how healthy he can be with an injury that could prove to be an ongoing issue. Like I said before, there's no question if you get Portis in the third or fourth round it's the kind of pick that can win a fantasy title given his talent and upside. However, it's also the kind of pick that can blow up in your face if he either can't stay healthy or isn't healthy to open the season.

That's why people are so unsure about him and why his stock is dropping. I think most savvy football folks know how good he is. What they don't know is whether the red flags that are clearly all over the place are worth ignoring in favor of chasing his potential upside in the early portions of a draft.

People need to realize that tendonitis is not an ACL injury and Portis' injuries last year were freak accidents. I think where people are mainly struggling to view Portis as RB1-2 material is assuming Betts to have a larger role than he is going to have.

Speaking only for myself I don't view Betts as a major issue at all given how he isn't close to being the talent Portis is when Portis is healthy. For me, this is all about the fact Portis still isn't healthy and has barely practiced in the last year. I continue to worry that he isn't healthy but rather the Redskins are hoping he'll be healthy. I'd feel A LOT better about Portis if he had been practicing full tilt for the past couple of weeks or so. I could care less that he's missing preseason games. What worries me is all the practice time he's missed. That tells me he isn't healthy and that means there's the possibility he may not be healthy either when the season starts or for its duration.

I see what you are saying but if these were regular season games, Portis would have been practicing fully more often than he is right now. Sure, he would have had some days off to rest his sore knee, but tendonitis (why he is not practicing) is being looked at as a serious injury when it really is not. The Redskins are giving Portis time now, even though he probably could practice, so he is more healthy for the season. I am 27 years old and have patellar tendonitis in both knees from playing highly competitive soccer. I played with tendonitis for the last 3 years of my playing days and although painful at times, it didin't/hasn't effected my play at all. Did rest help? yes. Was there days I could have practiced where the coach gave me time off? yes. Especially when there wasn't important games in play like preseason.

 

[packersfan]

I think to many people are underestimating how talented this guy is.

I'm not sure that's the case. I think most of us know how good this guy is. I think it boils down to the fact he missed half the season and nearly a year later he still isn't 100 percent, has only practiced once in nearly a year's time and there's no way of knowing how healthy he can be with an injury that could prove to be an ongoing issue. Like I said before, there's no question if you get Portis in the third or fourth round it's the kind of pick that can win a fantasy title given his talent and upside. However, it's also the kind of pick that can blow up in your face if he either can't stay healthy or isn't healthy to open the season.

That's why people are so unsure about him and why his stock is dropping. I think most savvy football folks know how good he is. What they don't know is whether the red flags that are clearly all over the place are worth ignoring in favor of chasing his potential upside in the early portions of a draft.

You do realize that these are completely unrelated injuries, right? So saying "a year later he still isn't 100 percent" is completely irrelevant. Not quite sure why it was even mentioned.

How is it completely irrelevant if the player isn't healthy? That's the heart of the issue here. If Portis was practicing every day and looking great we wouldn't be having this discussion. He'd be a consensus Top 10 pick and his owners would be thrilled. It's the fact he isn't healthy and hasn't been practicing and has a very shaky status heading into the season that has caused his ADP to drop and have a lot of folks - very intelligent ones - passing on him. The bottom line here is there are far more negatives than positives with Portis right now. Again, this isn't a question of talent. The guy is damn good and most people know that. It's all about whether he is healthy and, most importantly, can stay healthy for the entire season. It's the uncertainty over both which is causing him to be one of the most perilous fantasy picks this season. He can either win your league if he does stay healthy and you grab him as a RB2 (or RB3) or he can put a big hole in it if he isn't healthy and can't stay healthy.

 

[packersfan]

I think to many people are underestimating how talented this guy is.

I'm not sure that's the case. I think most of us know how good this guy is. I think it boils down to the fact he missed half the season and nearly a year later he still isn't 100 percent, has only practiced once in nearly a year's time and there's no way of knowing how healthy he can be with an injury that could prove to be an ongoing issue. Like I said before, there's no question if you get Portis in the third or fourth round it's the kind of pick that can win a fantasy title given his talent and upside. However, it's also the kind of pick that can blow up in your face if he either can't stay healthy or isn't healthy to open the season.

That's why people are so unsure about him and why his stock is dropping. I think most savvy football folks know how good he is. What they don't know is whether the red flags that are clearly all over the place are worth ignoring in favor of chasing his potential upside in the early portions of a draft.

People need to realize that tendonitis is not an ACL injury and Portis' injuries last year were freak accidents. I think where people are mainly struggling to view Portis as RB1-2 material is assuming Betts to have a larger role than he is going to have.

Speaking only for myself I don't view Betts as a major issue at all given how he isn't close to being the talent Portis is when Portis is healthy. For me, this is all about the fact Portis still isn't healthy and has barely practiced in the last year. I continue to worry that he isn't healthy but rather the Redskins are hoping he'll be healthy. I'd feel A LOT better about Portis if he had been practicing full tilt for the past couple of weeks or so. I could care less that he's missing preseason games. What worries me is all the practice time he's missed. That tells me he isn't healthy and that means there's the possibility he may not be healthy either when the season starts or for its duration.

I see what you are saying but if these were regular season games, Portis would have been practicing fully more often than he is right now. Sure, he would have had some days off to rest his sore knee, but tendonitis (why he is not practicing) is being looked at as a serious injury when it really is not. The Redskins are giving Portis time now, even though he probably could practice, so he is more healthy for the season.

I'm not ruling this out but it does sound like rationalization to me. How many other RBs in the league have essentially taken the entire camp off? Again, forget about the games. They're meaningless. I'm talking about skipping nearly every single practice since camp began and even going back to minicamps if you want. Can you name one other RB who has done that? I have no way of knowing what's really going on here but the vibe I'm getting is that the Redskins are hoping Portis can get healthy as opposed to knowing he's healthy. There's a HUGE difference here and it's one that is going to have a huge impact on their season and probably the season for the fantasy owners who draft Portis as well.Again, I love the guy. I'm a huge Portis fan. I want to believe he's going to be the Portis of old. But I just can't shake all the negative vibes I have about him. That said, if he's sitting there in the third round of my draft tomorrow I'm going to have a tough time passing on him. I probably would end up taking him but I sure as hell wouldn't have a lot of confidence I made the right decision given what we know now.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I think to many people are underestimating how talented this guy is.

I'm not sure that's the case. I think most of us know how good this guy is. I think it boils down to the fact he missed half the season and nearly a year later he still isn't 100 percent, has only practiced once in nearly a year's time and there's no way of knowing how healthy he can be with an injury that could prove to be an ongoing issue. Like I said before, there's no question if you get Portis in the third or fourth round it's the kind of pick that can win a fantasy title given his talent and upside. However, it's also the kind of pick that can blow up in your face if he either can't stay healthy or isn't healthy to open the season.

That's why people are so unsure about him and why his stock is dropping. I think most savvy football folks know how good he is. What they don't know is whether the red flags that are clearly all over the place are worth ignoring in favor of chasing his potential upside in the early portions of a draft.

You do realize that these are completely unrelated injuries, right? So saying "a year later he still isn't 100 percent" is completely irrelevant. Not quite sure why it was even mentioned.

How is it completely irrelevant if the player isn't healthy? That's the heart of the issue here. If Portis was practicing every day and looking great we wouldn't be having this discussion. He'd be a consensus Top 10 pick and his owners would be thrilled. It's the fact he isn't healthy and hasn't been practicing and has a very shaky status heading into the season that has caused his ADP to drop and have a lot of folks - very intelligent ones - passing on him. The bottom line here is there are far more negatives than positives with Portis right now. Again, this isn't a question of talent. The guy is damn good and most people know that. It's all about whether he is healthy and, most importantly, can stay healthy for the entire season. It's the uncertainty over both which is causing him to be one of the most perilous fantasy picks this season. He can either win your league if he does stay healthy and you grab him as a RB2 (or RB3) or he can put a big hole in it if he isn't healthy and can't stay healthy.

uh, if he had a bad knee last year and it still wasn't healthy, then it would be worth mentioning that "he still wasn't 100 percent". in this case, he hurt his hand last year - it's fine now.if you want to say "he isn't practicing and it worries me", then just say that.

if you can't tell the difference between those statements, then there isn't any point in discussing this further. at least you're a packer fan - that's cool.

anyone truly following this situation with portis knows that portis was going to sit out preseason. he practiced today - and it doesn't sound like he was limited at all. the dude just didn't want to get hurt during preseason. he'll be fine once week 1 rolls around.

 

[One]

anyone truly following this situation with portis knows that portis was going to sit out preseason. he practiced today - and it doesn't sound like he was limited at all. the dude just didn't want to get hurt during preseason. he'll be fine once week 1 rolls around.

MJF just doesn't get it.

 

[packersfan]

I think to many people are underestimating how talented this guy is.

I'm not sure that's the case. I think most of us know how good this guy is. I think it boils down to the fact he missed half the season and nearly a year later he still isn't 100 percent, has only practiced once in nearly a year's time and there's no way of knowing how healthy he can be with an injury that could prove to be an ongoing issue. Like I said before, there's no question if you get Portis in the third or fourth round it's the kind of pick that can win a fantasy title given his talent and upside. However, it's also the kind of pick that can blow up in your face if he either can't stay healthy or isn't healthy to open the season.

That's why people are so unsure about him and why his stock is dropping. I think most savvy football folks know how good he is. What they don't know is whether the red flags that are clearly all over the place are worth ignoring in favor of chasing his potential upside in the early portions of a draft.

You do realize that these are completely unrelated injuries, right? So saying "a year later he still isn't 100 percent" is completely irrelevant. Not quite sure why it was even mentioned.

How is it completely irrelevant if the player isn't healthy? That's the heart of the issue here. If Portis was practicing every day and looking great we wouldn't be having this discussion. He'd be a consensus Top 10 pick and his owners would be thrilled. It's the fact he isn't healthy and hasn't been practicing and has a very shaky status heading into the season that has caused his ADP to drop and have a lot of folks - very intelligent ones - passing on him. The bottom line here is there are far more negatives than positives with Portis right now. Again, this isn't a question of talent. The guy is damn good and most people know that. It's all about whether he is healthy and, most importantly, can stay healthy for the entire season. It's the uncertainty over both which is causing him to be one of the most perilous fantasy picks this season. He can either win your league if he does stay healthy and you grab him as a RB2 (or RB3) or he can put a big hole in it if he isn't healthy and can't stay healthy.

uh, if he had a bad knee last year and it still wasn't healthy, then it would be worth mentioning that "he still wasn't 100 percent". in this case, he hurt his hand last year - it's fine now.

His knee isn't healthy now. He isn't 100%. My point is completely relevant to this discussion.

if you want to say "he isn't practicing and it worries me", then just say that.

I have. That's been my primary point all along.

if you can't tell the difference between those statements, then there isn't any point in discussing this further. at least you're a packer fan - that's cool.

And if you can't understand that Portis' health is the foundation of this discussion than you're right, there isn't any point in discussing this further.

anyone truly following this situation with portis knows that portis was going to sit out preseason. he practiced today - and it doesn't sound like he was limited at all. the dude just didn't want to get hurt during preseason. he'll be fine once week 1 rolls around.

Which sounds more like a hope than absolute certainty. I've been following the Portis situation closely because, as I said, I'm a huge fan of the guy. I remember when he was supposed to be "full go" when camp began. How'd that work out? The bottom line here is there have been far more negative issues surrounding Portis than positive ones. And that's why his ADP has dropped so markedly. People simply aren't sure he's healthy and is going to stay healthy and risking a third or fourth-round pick on a player with so many red flags is a major gamble.Even if that player is as talented as Clinton Portis is.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

anyone truly following this situation with portis knows that portis was going to sit out preseason. he practiced today - and it doesn't sound like he was limited at all. the dude just didn't want to get hurt during preseason. he'll be fine once week 1 rolls around.

MJF just doesn't get it.

yeah, that's the problem. go rest up - you need to be ready for 3rd grade tomorrow morning.

 

[One]

anyone truly following this situation with portis knows that portis was going to sit out preseason. he practiced today - and it doesn't sound like he was limited at all. the dude just didn't want to get hurt during preseason. he'll be fine once week 1 rolls around.

MJF just doesn't get it.

yeah, that's the problem. go rest up - you need to be ready for 3rd grade tomorrow morning.

That's all you got?

 

[Wally Cleaver]

anyone truly following this situation with portis knows that portis was going to sit out preseason. he practiced today - and it doesn't sound like he was limited at all. the dude just didn't want to get hurt during preseason. he'll be fine once week 1 rolls around.

MJF just doesn't get it.

Some people can't read between the lines no matter how wide those lines are...

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I think to many people are underestimating how talented this guy is.

I'm not sure that's the case. I think most of us know how good this guy is. I think it boils down to the fact he missed half the season and nearly a year later he still isn't 100 percent, has only practiced once in nearly a year's time and there's no way of knowing how healthy he can be with an injury that could prove to be an ongoing issue. Like I said before, there's no question if you get Portis in the third or fourth round it's the kind of pick that can win a fantasy title given his talent and upside. However, it's also the kind of pick that can blow up in your face if he either can't stay healthy or isn't healthy to open the season.

That's why people are so unsure about him and why his stock is dropping. I think most savvy football folks know how good he is. What they don't know is whether the red flags that are clearly all over the place are worth ignoring in favor of chasing his potential upside in the early portions of a draft.

You do realize that these are completely unrelated injuries, right? So saying "a year later he still isn't 100 percent" is completely irrelevant. Not quite sure why it was even mentioned.

How is it completely irrelevant if the player isn't healthy? That's the heart of the issue here. If Portis was practicing every day and looking great we wouldn't be having this discussion. He'd be a consensus Top 10 pick and his owners would be thrilled. It's the fact he isn't healthy and hasn't been practicing and has a very shaky status heading into the season that has caused his ADP to drop and have a lot of folks - very intelligent ones - passing on him. The bottom line here is there are far more negatives than positives with Portis right now. Again, this isn't a question of talent. The guy is damn good and most people know that. It's all about whether he is healthy and, most importantly, can stay healthy for the entire season. It's the uncertainty over both which is causing him to be one of the most perilous fantasy picks this season. He can either win your league if he does stay healthy and you grab him as a RB2 (or RB3) or he can put a big hole in it if he isn't healthy and can't stay healthy.

uh, if he had a bad knee last year and it still wasn't healthy, then it would be worth mentioning that "he still wasn't 100 percent". in this case, he hurt his hand last year - it's fine now.

His knee isn't healthy now. He isn't 100%. My point is completely relevant to this discussion.- Dude, one more time: you mentioned last year's injuries. Guess what? His hand is healed!! So your comment, at best, added zero value.

if you want to say "he isn't practicing and it worries me", then just say that.

I have. That's been my primary point all along.- Really? Thanks for calling it out -- NOBODY else on the board has mentioned that Portis is injured. You're a genius!

if you can't tell the difference between those statements, then there isn't any point in discussing this further. at least you're a packer fan - that's cool.

And if you can't understand that Portis' health is the foundation of this discussion than you're right, there isn't any point in discussing this further.- I've been in this thread since the beginning. Obviously I understand that Portis' health is the central issue of the entire thread. What I don't understand is what bearing a hand injury last year has on Portis' status this year.

anyone truly following this situation with portis knows that portis was going to sit out preseason. he practiced today - and it doesn't sound like he was limited at all. the dude just didn't want to get hurt during preseason. he'll be fine once week 1 rolls around.

Which sounds more like a hope than absolute certainty. I've been following the Portis situation closely because, as I said, I'm a huge fan of the guy. I remember when he was supposed to be "full go" when camp began. How'd that work out? The bottom line here is there have been far more negative issues surrounding Portis than positive ones. And that's why his ADP has dropped so markedly. People simply aren't sure he's healthy and is going to stay healthy and risking a third or fourth-round pick on a player with so many red flags is a major gamble.Even if that player is as talented as Clinton Portis is.

- It's not hope in the least. Go back and read the whole thread. Read everything Joe Gibbs has said the past week. It's really, really obvious. The bottom line here is that Portis is falling into round 5.....because he doesn't like preseason. Sharks are buying Portis now; guppies are sitting on the sidelines, waiting until Portis rushes for 100 yds in week 1.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

anyone truly following this situation with portis knows that portis was going to sit out preseason. he practiced today - and it doesn't sound like he was limited at all. the dude just didn't want to get hurt during preseason. he'll be fine once week 1 rolls around.

MJF just doesn't get it.

yeah, that's the problem. go rest up - you need to be ready for 3rd grade tomorrow morning.

That's all you got?

if you said anything meaningful, i'd respond with an insightful comment. since that wasn't the case, this was more fun.

 

[packersfan]

- It's not hope in the least. Go back and read the whole thread. Read everything Joe Gibbs has said the past week. It's really, really obvious. The bottom line here is that Portis is falling into round 5.....because he doesn't like preseason. Sharks are buying Portis now; guppies are sitting on the sidelines, waiting until Portis rushes for 100 yds in week 1.

I have read everything. As I said I've been following this closely. Today was the first bit of good news Portis has had after months and months of negative news. I don't care if Portis doesn't like the preseason; the fact is the guy hasn't practiced full go in nearly a year's time, has an injury that remains an issue and there is no way of knowing with any certainty how healthy he'll be when the season begins or (most importantly) whether he can remain healthy for the entire season. He's a major risk. I don't know how anyone can deny that. I do agree if he falls into the third-fifth round you almost have to take him in most instances if you need a second RB. Here are the likely RBs available in that range in most drafts I've seenortisJacobsLynchT.JonesGreenPetersonMaybe Lewis, Julius Jones and Cadillac as well.Of the group above, the only RB I'd consider taking over Portis is Peterson. That's it. But he's hardly a lock as well. However, I'd probably feel better about gambling on him right now than gambling on Portis though it is close. But of the rest there isn't any of them I'd take over Portis barring a major turn of events. That doesn't mean I'm confident about the pick - I definitely won't be - but I think Portis is so much more talented than anyone else on that list and has a much higher ceiling that I'd rather roll with him than take an inferior talent with a lower ceiling.

 

[bonesman]

was there any official word after Portis visited Dr. James "Bad News" Andrews for some exploratory surgery on the knee?

a visit to Dr Andrews usually means the end of a players season 80% of the time (in baseball for pitchers).

that news alone had me down on him... but in the 4th round as my 3rd RB... i had to take the dive again.

 

[SproutDaddy]

anyone truly following this situation with portis knows that portis was going to sit out preseason. he practiced today - and it doesn't sound like he was limited at all. the dude just didn't want to get hurt during preseason. he'll be fine once week 1 rolls around.

MJF just doesn't get it.

yeah, that's the problem. go rest up - you need to be ready for 3rd grade tomorrow morning.

 

[bostonfred]

Didn't Michael Jordan suffer from knee tendonitis? It didn't seem to slow him down much.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

I mean, listen, we talkin’ about practice. Not a game, not a game, not a game…we talkin’ about practice. Not a game. Not a, not a, not the game that I go out there and, and die for and play every game like it’s my last. Not the game. We talkin’ about practice, man. I mean how silly is that? Man, we talkin’ about practice. I know I supposed to be there. I know I supposed to lead by example. I know that. And I’m not, I’m not shoving it aside, you know, like it don’t mean anything. I know it’s important. I do. I honestly do. But we talkin’ about practice man. What are we talkin’ about? Practice? We talkin’ about practice man.

 

[BigTex]

I mean, listen, we talkin’ about practice. Not a game, not a game, not a game…we talkin’ about practice. Not a game. Not a, not a, not the game that I go out there and, and die for and play every game like it’s my last. Not the game. We talkin’ about practice, man. I mean how silly is that? Man, we talkin’ about practice. I know I supposed to be there. I know I supposed to lead by example. I know that. And I’m not, I’m not shoving it aside, you know, like it don’t mean anything. I know it’s important. I do. I honestly do. But we talkin’ about practice man. What are we talkin’ about? Practice? We talkin’ about practice man.

Not to hijack, this is a great thread and I stole my man Portis in the 4th. But after watching this ENTIRE interview this has to be the most misquoted words of anyone I've ever seen. AI was upset because the REPORTS CONTINUED TO ASK HIM QUESTION ABOUT PRACTICE INSTEAD OF THE GAME. It was then that AI started the "Practice" drama and why THEY (the reporters) keep talkin bout practice.Now back to the subject. I have no problems taking Portis in the 5th and I took him over Edge.