C. Portis knee problems (2 Viewers)

[Grahamburn]

[quote name='Grahamburn' In a traditional league I would pick MJD, Benson, Brandon Jacobs and a topflight WR before Portis. I don't see how Portis has more upside than MJD (15 TDs last year not in full time, will see more carries this year and if Taylor gets his annual injury look out) or Benson (a lock for 320 carries if he stays healthy and he scored 6 TDs last year in only 157).But that's just my opinion. I may be more conservative about injuries.

Ironically, I also am playing to win my league. If we're talking about going for upside I think that McNabb is a better risk.

Conservative about injuries - but what about Fred Taylor and his new contract? I like MJD's skills but people seem to ignore the fact that one of the better RBs of his time is splitting time with MJD.

Benson? What have we really seen from him. Yeah, he will get the rock. Will it be for much (or any) more than 3.5 ypc?

And Jacobs? I am a Giants homer. I wish I were convinced. I am far from it. Looks like a Plodder with great speed when he gets into the open. Which he won't very often.

Portis has risk, but he has more upside than all three of those other RBs combined, unless F. Taylor retires.

MJD was much better than Portis last year. This year he will get more carries and is healthy, unlike Portis. Last year splitting time MJD had a better year than any Portis has had in Washington. Why does Portis have more upside?

Benson produced at the same rate as Thomas Jones last year with the same # of TDs in far less carries. He's the dead lock #1 with absolutely no time splitting option in sight on a Super Bowl contender who led the league in carries last year. To me that's at least as much upside as Portis' situation.

I'm not the only one who feels that Benson has upside. Here is FBG's own Dodds on him: "if he stays healthy, he has the opportunity to be a top 5-7 RB because the Bears will get him the carries. My gut is telling me he responds to the critics and has a break-through season."

Why will MJD get more carries? Fred Taylor is the starter. He's going to be getting the majority of the touches between the twenties. MJD had a better season than Clinton Portis because Clinton was injured. The reference to LAST season really has no bearing on the situation for this year. Looking at last season's statistics is of course important in evaluating the best fantasy players for this year, but it shoudn't be the only reference. A fluke shoulder injury and a fluke hand injury is what sidelined Portis. His tendonitis "injury" seems to have disappeared two weeks before the regular season. Interesting considering what happened to him last year. MJD is an extremely talented player, but we know he's going to share the ball with Fred Taylor.

To me, Cedric Benson runs with little power for the type of runner many perceive him to be. After watching some of his runs against the Colts the other night, I wouldn't go anywhere near him with my second round pick. He runs like a fairy. I also wouldn't want any player who would take himself out of the biggest game of the year. He had a chance to showcase his skills on the biggest stage in all of sports in the Super Bowl and didn't have the heart to play.

When I look at Clinton Portis, I see a player who had four 1,300+ yard rushing seasons in his first four years with double digit touchdowns in three of those. Of the players you've mentioned, none of them have shown this kind of consistency. If I can grab a player with a pedigree like that in the second round, I'm jumping on it. Clinton Portis was a consensus top five pick just last year. Ladell Betts and knee tendonitis have made him fall this far? Really?! Oh well, I'll snatch him up and laugh all the way to the bank.

 

[Koya]

I guess at this point we're at the "intelligent minds agree to disagree". I don't think that I can bring much more to the table. It was an interesting conversation though. I enjoyed it. You guys have made me rexamine my ranking of Portis.

That is what this is all about. I guess for me it comes down to this, which will perhaps help you understand why I would go Portis.I am in FF to win a championship. Yeah, its nice getting to the playoffs. But to get to the playoffs with only a 10% chance to win it all, what is the purpose? I would prefer to have one of those teams that has to be unlucky to lose.

For that, you need to take a chance on a Portis in the late 2nd or 3rd round for competitve drafts. On a PPG basis, IF he is healthy at the right time and IF you can build a decent enough to team to weather the non Portis weeks storm, you have a huge advantage over the competition.

So I will take a Portis for the 12 weeks he is healthy and draft an A Green or the like (or go with the Betts strategy if you prefer) and have a chance to win it all if Portis is playing come playoff time.

MJD is going to split carries. Come playoff time, unless Taylor is out you know that is the case. Portis has the CHANCE to be a RARE commidity - top 3-5 RB.

 

[bostonfred]

I believe Portis is far and away the best offensive weapon in Washington, and I believe that Saunders makes good running backs great. I believe that tendonitis is managable. I believe that Betts is a very capable backup, but that he will only vulture carries in cases where the Redskins are way up or way down and they're running out the clock. And I believe that the Redskins are just good enough that they will be in a lot of close games. I believe that Campbell is a below average quarterback whose job will be to set up the run. I believe that Santana Moss will be used to clear out the defenders over the middle on some plays, and to draw away the safety on others. But while I believe he is a very talented player, I don't believe that he is good enough to build the team around. In other words, I believe that the Redskins will be kind of like the Chiefs of years past. Which means I think Portis is a very good player in a very good situation.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

[quote name='Grahamburn' In a traditional league I would pick MJD, Benson, Brandon Jacobs and a topflight WR before Portis. I don't see how Portis has more upside than MJD (15 TDs last year not in full time, will see more carries this year and if Taylor gets his annual injury look out) or Benson (a lock for 320 carries if he stays healthy and he scored 6 TDs last year in only 157).But that's just my opinion. I may be more conservative about injuries.

Ironically, I also am playing to win my league. If we're talking about going for upside I think that McNabb is a better risk.

Conservative about injuries - but what about Fred Taylor and his new contract? I like MJD's skills but people seem to ignore the fact that one of the better RBs of his time is splitting time with MJD.

Benson? What have we really seen from him. Yeah, he will get the rock. Will it be for much (or any) more than 3.5 ypc?

And Jacobs? I am a Giants homer. I wish I were convinced. I am far from it. Looks like a Plodder with great speed when he gets into the open. Which he won't very often.

Portis has risk, but he has more upside than all three of those other RBs combined, unless F. Taylor retires.

MJD was much better than Portis last year. This year he will get more carries and is healthy, unlike Portis. Last year splitting time MJD had a better year than any Portis has had in Washington. Why does Portis have more upside?

Benson produced at the same rate as Thomas Jones last year with the same # of TDs in far less carries. He's the dead lock #1 with absolutely no time splitting option in sight on a Super Bowl contender who led the league in carries last year. To me that's at least as much upside as Portis' situation.

I'm not the only one who feels that Benson has upside. Here is FBG's own Dodds on him: "if he stays healthy, he has the opportunity to be a top 5-7 RB because the Bears will get him the carries. My gut is telling me he responds to the critics and has a break-through season."

Why will MJD get more carries? Fred Taylor is the starter. He's going to be getting the majority of the touches between the twenties. MJD had a better season than Clinton Portis because Clinton was injured. The reference to LAST season really has no bearing on the situation for this year. Looking at last season's statistics is of course important in evaluating the best fantasy players for this year, but it shoudn't be the only reference. A fluke shoulder injury and a fluke hand injury is what sidelined Portis. His tendonitis "injury" seems to have disappeared two weeks before the regular season. Interesting considering what happened to him last year. MJD is an extremely talented player, but we know he's going to share the ball with Fred Taylor.

To me, Cedric Benson runs with little power for the type of runner many perceive him to be. After watching some of his runs against the Colts the other night, I wouldn't go anywhere near him with my second round pick. He runs like a fairy. I also wouldn't want any player who would take himself out of the biggest game of the year. He had a chance to showcase his skills on the biggest stage in all of sports in the Super Bowl and didn't have the heart to play.

When I look at Clinton Portis, I see a player who had four 1,300+ yard rushing seasons in his first four years with double digit touchdowns in three of those. Of the players you've mentioned, none of them have shown this kind of consistency. If I can grab a player with a pedigree like that in the second round, I'm jumping on it. Clinton Portis was a consensus top five pick just last year. Ladell Betts and knee tendonitis have made him fall this far? Really?! Oh well, I'll snatch him up and laugh all the way to the bank.

Last season has no bearing on this year but you like Portis because he's had 1300 yard seasons in the past?

Also, I'm not just comparing 2006. MJD had a better year in 2006 than any of the 3 years Portis has had in Washington.

I say he gets more carries this year because he had 4 carries in the first 2 weeks last year and because of the remarkable success he had.

Deciding draft strategy based on few preseason carries is a risky strategy. Thomas Jones averaged < 2 yards a carry in last year's preseason. I watched every Bears game last year and I saw plenty of power from Benson-especially in the 2nd half.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

I believe Portis is far and away the best offensive weapon in Washington, and I believe that Saunders makes good running backs great. I believe that tendonitis is managable. I believe that Betts is a very capable backup, but that he will only vulture carries in cases where the Redskins are way up or way down and they're running out the clock. And I believe that the Redskins are just good enough that they will be in a lot of close games. I believe that Campbell is a below average quarterback whose job will be to set up the run. I believe that Santana Moss will be used to clear out the defenders over the middle on some plays, and to draw away the safety on others. But while I believe he is a very talented player, I don't believe that he is good enough to build the team around. In other words, I believe that the Redskins will be kind of like the Chiefs of years past. Which means I think Portis is a very good player in a very good situation.

I believe you are correct. Also, as has been mentioned before, consider the following:Ladell Betts had 871 rushing yards in the final 8 games and averaged 4.8 yards per carry in that time. Before last year, he averaged just UNDER 4 yards per carry.Portis averaged 4.7 yards per carry in his career before last season.What made Betts average 20% more yards per carry than before? He had 6 carries all season of over 20 yards, with the longest being 26 yards. I don't think his breakaway speed raised his average... I submit to you all that Washington's Oline improved dramatically to allow for this increase. I rode Betts to my league's championship, so I watched a good amount of his carries. He ran through HUGE holes many times.Portis had 3 carries over 30 yards last year (and a 74 yard reception), in about 1/2 the touches. While playing hurt.What would Portis have done with the same opportunities that Betts had in the second half last year?HUGE numbers is the correct answer.Thus, Portis has HUGE upside. Coaches play their best players; there will not be a 50/50 split if Portis is healthy. IMO, Portis' health is the only thing to worry about, and I won't be worrying about that in the 3rd or 4th round.

 

[nygiants56]

I believe Portis is far and away the best offensive weapon in Washington, and I believe that Saunders makes good running backs great. I believe that tendonitis is managable. I believe that Betts is a very capable backup, but that he will only vulture carries in cases where the Redskins are way up or way down and they're running out the clock. And I believe that the Redskins are just good enough that they will be in a lot of close games. I believe that Campbell is a below average quarterback whose job will be to set up the run. I believe that Santana Moss will be used to clear out the defenders over the middle on some plays, and to draw away the safety on others. But while I believe he is a very talented player, I don't believe that he is good enough to build the team around. In other words, I believe that the Redskins will be kind of like the Chiefs of years past. Which means I think Portis is a very good player in a very good situation.

I believe you are correct. Also, as has been mentioned before, consider the following:Ladell Betts had 871 rushing yards in the final 8 games and averaged 4.8 yards per carry in that time. Before last year, he averaged just UNDER 4 yards per carry.Portis averaged 4.7 yards per carry in his career before last season.What made Betts average 20% more yards per carry than before? He had 6 carries all season of over 20 yards, with the longest being 26 yards. I don't think his breakaway speed raised his average... I submit to you all that Washington's Oline improved dramatically to allow for this increase. I rode Betts to my league's championship, so I watched a good amount of his carries. He ran through HUGE holes many times.Portis had 3 carries over 30 yards last year (and a 74 yard reception), in about 1/2 the touches. While playing hurt.What would Portis have done with the same opportunities that Betts had in the second half last year?HUGE numbers is the correct answer.Thus, Portis has HUGE upside. Coaches play their best players; there will not be a 50/50 split if Portis is healthy. IMO, Portis' health is the only thing to worry about, and I won't be worrying about that in the 3rd or 4th round.

he can't cut, can only run in straight lines. he's useless.will be for most of 2007. he's closer to IR than he is to rushing for 1,000 yards.I wouldn't draft him..just my 2 cents. and,his knee wasn't his biggest problem,it was his shoulder that needed surgery.still has NOT taken a single hit on that shoulder yet..

 

[Butt-Head]

I believe Portis is far and away the best offensive weapon in Washington, and I believe that Saunders makes good running backs great. I believe that tendonitis is managable. I believe that Betts is a very capable backup, but that he will only vulture carries in cases where the Redskins are way up or way down and they're running out the clock. And I believe that the Redskins are just good enough that they will be in a lot of close games. I believe that Campbell is a below average quarterback whose job will be to set up the run. I believe that Santana Moss will be used to clear out the defenders over the middle on some plays, and to draw away the safety on others. But while I believe he is a very talented player, I don't believe that he is good enough to build the team around. In other words, I believe that the Redskins will be kind of like the Chiefs of years past. Which means I think Portis is a very good player in a very good situation.

I believe you are correct. Also, as has been mentioned before, consider the following:Ladell Betts had 871 rushing yards in the final 8 games and averaged 4.8 yards per carry in that time. Before last year, he averaged just UNDER 4 yards per carry.Portis averaged 4.7 yards per carry in his career before last season.What made Betts average 20% more yards per carry than before? He had 6 carries all season of over 20 yards, with the longest being 26 yards. I don't think his breakaway speed raised his average... I submit to you all that Washington's Oline improved dramatically to allow for this increase. I rode Betts to my league's championship, so I watched a good amount of his carries. He ran through HUGE holes many times.Portis had 3 carries over 30 yards last year (and a 74 yard reception), in about 1/2 the touches. While playing hurt.What would Portis have done with the same opportunities that Betts had in the second half last year?HUGE numbers is the correct answer.Thus, Portis has HUGE upside. Coaches play their best players; there will not be a 50/50 split if Portis is healthy. IMO, Portis' health is the only thing to worry about, and I won't be worrying about that in the 3rd or 4th round.

Another reason the running game flourished late in the year is that Brunell was the QB while Portis was playing. When he'd throw the ball, they were one-hopping at WR's feet. Campbell is young and inexperienced, but he stretched the field and hit on some long plays. I'm too lazy right now to verify this, but I believe that Cooley's #'s improved after the QB switch.

 

[nittanylion]

[quote name='Grahamburn' In a traditional league I would pick MJD, Benson, Brandon Jacobs and a topflight WR before Portis. I don't see how Portis has more upside than MJD (15 TDs last year not in full time, will see more carries this year and if Taylor gets his annual injury look out) or Benson (a lock for 320 carries if he stays healthy and he scored 6 TDs last year in only 157).But that's just my opinion. I may be more conservative about injuries.

Ironically, I also am playing to win my league. If we're talking about going for upside I think that McNabb is a better risk.

Conservative about injuries - but what about Fred Taylor and his new contract? I like MJD's skills but people seem to ignore the fact that one of the better RBs of his time is splitting time with MJD.

Benson? What have we really seen from him. Yeah, he will get the rock. Will it be for much (or any) more than 3.5 ypc?

And Jacobs? I am a Giants homer. I wish I were convinced. I am far from it. Looks like a Plodder with great speed when he gets into the open. Which he won't very often.

Portis has risk, but he has more upside than all three of those other RBs combined, unless F. Taylor retires.

MJD was much better than Portis last year. This year he will get more carries and is healthy, unlike Portis. Last year splitting time MJD had a better year than any Portis has had in Washington. Why does Portis have more upside?

Benson produced at the same rate as Thomas Jones last year with the same # of TDs in far less carries. He's the dead lock #1 with absolutely no time splitting option in sight on a Super Bowl contender who led the league in carries last year. To me that's at least as much upside as Portis' situation.

I'm not the only one who feels that Benson has upside. Here is FBG's own Dodds on him: "if he stays healthy, he has the opportunity to be a top 5-7 RB because the Bears will get him the carries. My gut is telling me he responds to the critics and has a break-through season."

I'd be willing to place a significant bet that by season's end both Adrian Peterson and Garrett Wolfe will have done their parts to relegating Cedric Benson as little more than a fantasy football afterthought. Come to think of it, both Grossman's ineptitude and Benson himself will likely play their parts as well...

IMHO, draft at your own risk. No offense, but I'd expect Bears homers to know how much Peterson and Wolfe figure into the Bears rushing offense this year. Answer: plenty.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

he can't cut, can only run in straight lines. he's useless.will be for most of 2007. he's closer to IR than he is to rushing for 1,000 yards.I wouldn't draft him..just my 2 cents. and,his knee wasn't his biggest problem,it was his shoulder that needed surgery.still has NOT taken a single hit on that shoulder yet..

Well, you keep saying this, so I'll quote myself from another thread..."I'm never sure if you are being sarcastic or are being serious, NYGiants... you seem to see things in 100% black or 100% white terms, and use over the top observations to back up your opinions. Like when you took Portis' tongue-in-cheek estimate of his return by week one literally... his intent was clear, but you used it as evidence that Portis might not be ready for the regular season.I'm honestly not sure if you believe what you say or if you are trying to push Portis' value down so you can draft him for maximum value.Portis played with his bum shoulder for 7 full games, garnering 660 yards and 7 TDs. A broken hand kept him out of the final 8 1/2 games. The December shoulder surgery is something to take into consideration (Gore had surgery on both shoulders in Feb or March of '06 and he did okay.... Drew Brees did pretty well after his shoulder surgery.... Zach Thomas is another shoulder surgery success story), but it's not like he had a complete reconstruction. One would think it reasonable to say that his shoulder is better now than when he played 7 1/2 games with it being injured. There is uncertainty surrounding Portis this year... but tendonitis is not a torn ACL, a December shoulder surgery does not have a 9 month recovery time, Portis did not lose his ability, and Betts is not a stud. Anybody sticking a fork in him is nutty. Don't draft him if you are risk averse, but it may cost you. "

 

[bonesman]

i haven't seen this recent blurb posted here:

Clinton Portis-RB- Redskins Aug. 29 - 6:05 pm et

Clinton Portis believes this may be his final season as a Redskin.

Portis feels like he has to stay healthy this year or he'll be gone. However, the 'Skins will probably hold onto Portis as long as possible if he shows his body isn't breaking down. It's a key season for the rest of his career.

Source: Washington Times

 

[dgreen]

MJD was much better than Portis last year. This year he will get more carries and is healthy, unlike Portis. Last year splitting time MJD had a better year than any Portis has had in Washington. Why does Portis have more upside?

2006 PPG

MJD: 14.2

CP: 13.9

That's "much better"?

 

[PACKER 7]

I don't have a link, but on this morning's Sports Center in Camp Confidential, they mentioned that Portis "may" play tonight, but that he hoped he didn't because he feels he's shown enough in practice already.

Guys he just doesn't want to play in the preseason, period.

He'll be fine come next Sunday.

 

[D-BO]

This has been a good thread to keep tabs on. In my main league, after snatching Peyton Manning in round 2 I got Portis at 3.09 (33rd overall).

 

[dgreen]

I don't have a link, but on this morning's Sports Center in Camp Confidential, they mentioned that Portis "may" play tonight, but that he hoped he didn't because he feels he's shown enough in practice already.Guys he just doesn't want to play in the preseason, period.He'll be fine come next Sunday.

It is clear to me he is perfectly capable of playing tonight. He doesn't want to. The coaches may want him to get a little action. So, I think there is an outside shot he plays one drive tonight and gets maybe one carry.

 

[Righetti]

Posted at 5:40 PM ET, 08/28/2007A Little ReviewOkay, JC is starting Thurs. but probably not playing that much and Portis could end up getting a few carries too.We'll see how that goes in both cases. If Portis truly could have played in the last few preseason games, as Gibbs said he could, then they might as well get him some work, 'cause with the season getting close they need to crank him up. Only 3 real practices left before Sept. 9.

Redskins insighter

 

[gump]

MJD was much better than Portis last year. This year he will get more carries and is healthy, unlike Portis. Last year splitting time MJD had a better year than any Portis has had in Washington.

The bolded statement caught my attention because, if true, would have really opened my eyes to MJD potential compared to Portis.But alas..it's not true (for a standard scoring league):

MJD (2006) - 240 fantasy pts - ranked #8 in RBs

CP (2005) - 251 fantasy pts - ranked #6 in RBs

Close though....

 

[phthalatemagic]

yes, my dad is an orthopedic surgeon. thanks for asking though.

I wouldn't even bother going to med school. Just take your boards and you're IN!

 

[ImTheScientist]

he can't cut, can only run in straight lines. he's useless.will be for most of 2007. he's closer to IR than he is to rushing for 1,000 yards.I wouldn't draft him..just my 2 cents. and,his knee wasn't his biggest problem,it was his shoulder that needed surgery.still has NOT taken a single hit on that shoulder yet..

Well, you keep saying this, so I'll quote myself from another thread..."I'm never sure if you are being sarcastic or are being serious, NYGiants... you seem to see things in 100% black or 100% white terms, and use over the top observations to back up your opinions. Like when you took Portis' tongue-in-cheek estimate of his return by week one literally... his intent was clear, but you used it as evidence that Portis might not be ready for the regular season.I'm honestly not sure if you believe what you say or if you are trying to push Portis' value down so you can draft him for maximum value.Portis played with his bum shoulder for 7 full games, garnering 660 yards and 7 TDs. A broken hand kept him out of the final 8 1/2 games. The December shoulder surgery is something to take into consideration (Gore had surgery on both shoulders in Feb or March of '06 and he did okay.... Drew Brees did pretty well after his shoulder surgery.... Zach Thomas is another shoulder surgery success story), but it's not like he had a complete reconstruction. One would think it reasonable to say that his shoulder is better now than when he played 7 1/2 games with it being injured. There is uncertainty surrounding Portis this year... but tendonitis is not a torn ACL, a December shoulder surgery does not have a 9 month recovery time, Portis did not lose his ability, and Betts is not a stud. Anybody sticking a fork in him is nutty. Don't draft him if you are risk averse, but it may cost you. "

I don't understand NYGiants point of view...especially w/ all the latest news reports. Broken record I guess

 

[One]

I don't have a link, but on this morning's Sports Center in Camp Confidential, they mentioned that Portis "may" play tonight, but that he hoped he didn't because he feels he's shown enough in practice already.

Guys he just doesn't want to play in the preseason, period.

He'll be fine come next Sunday.

It is clear to me he is perfectly capable of playing tonight. He doesn't want to. The coaches may want him to get a little action. So, I think there is an outside shot he plays one drive tonight and gets maybe one carry.

I'm sorry man, but to believe the only reason he hasn't practiced in preseason is because "he doesn't want to" is just plain denial. CP had already been resting the knee since he found out he had tendonitis in May(almost 3 months), he then came into camp beginning in August and aggravates the knee causing it to swell up.

Portis, 25, was unavailable to comment. It is unclear what exactly caused the flare-up, but Portis aggravated the knee during drills at Monday's morning practice. He limped after catching a swing pass over right tackle, but practiced Monday evening. Yesterday, Portis left Redskins Park with a sizable wrap over the knee.

link

But less than a week later, questions about his health have surfaced. Portis, 25, missed a second straight day of practice yesterday and will continue to strengthen and have treatment on his swollen knee

linkPortis then took off most of August to rest it up and returned to only a limited practice on Tuesday and Wednesday the team didn't even practice.

The coaching staff, though, didn't ask him to do a lot. One assistant coach said Portis did "limited" work.

linkI really doubt he's gonna play a down on Thursday. I'm not sure if you have some info that I don't or you're just reading into a Portis pulling a Bettis-type move, but I'm going to go off of what I've heard the last few months and actually respect the injury for what it is. ...not what I hope it isn't.

I understand keeping the optimism when you draft a special player like Portis, but do you really think he's gonna try and fool all the team doctors as well as Dr Andrews ..twice? There's gotta be more to it. I'm holding out hope that he can manage it throughout the season, but I made it a point not to waste a 2nd or 3rd on him and back him up where I could where I did draft. (only landed Betts in one draft.)

I guess I'm part of the Club for Conservative Portis Owners™. So if this plays out to be an act I'll be the first one here to give you theorists a , but I just don't see CP lasting through all 16 with this knee ...not to mention whatever else could go down.

Good luck fellas,

One

 

[ImTheScientist]

Check out the latest Portis interview-

http://www.nfl.com/videos;jsessionid=361AF...9000d5d801e9e1b

"One" forgot to add this to his post. It is the latest news from Portis himself and not speculation

 

[dgreen]

I don't have a link, but on this morning's Sports Center in Camp Confidential, they mentioned that Portis "may" play tonight, but that he hoped he didn't because he feels he's shown enough in practice already.Guys he just doesn't want to play in the preseason, period.He'll be fine come next Sunday.

It is clear to me he is perfectly capable of playing tonight. He doesn't want to. The coaches may want him to get a little action. So, I think there is an outside shot he plays one drive tonight and gets maybe one carry.

I'm sorry man, but to believe the only reason he hasn't practiced in preseason is because "he doesn't want to" is just plain denial.

Good thing I didn't say that then.

 

[One]

I don't have a link, but on this morning's Sports Center in Camp Confidential, they mentioned that Portis "may" play tonight, but that he hoped he didn't because he feels he's shown enough in practice already.Guys he just doesn't want to play in the preseason, period.He'll be fine come next Sunday.

It is clear to me he is perfectly capable of playing tonight. He doesn't want to. The coaches may want him to get a little action. So, I think there is an outside shot he plays one drive tonight and gets maybe one carry.

I'm sorry man, but to believe the only reason he hasn't practiced in preseason is because "he doesn't want to" is just plain denial.

Good thing I didn't say that then.

Sorry, the post wasn't only directed at you. It was just closest to the bottom when I began to reply.

 

[SharkBait]

This has been a good thread to keep tabs on. In my main league, after snatching Peyton Manning in round 2 I got Portis at 3.09 (33rd overall).

I've never owned Manning. Just for grins, I took him in the second round of a league banking on this exact same strategy. I'm still waiting to see if he'll make it back down to me...

 

[Sidewinder16]

GREAT posting. Ronnie Brown, if 100% healthy is utterly suspect to begin with. Heck, his own COACH won't declare him the starter yet and he has shown almost nothing in his pro career.

MJD has skills. He also is splitting carries 50/50 with Taylor. People forget (so quickly) how talented Taylor is.

T. Jones is more of an injury risk than portis with 1/2 the upside if he somehow stays healthy.

Why is it that people are SO scared of portis, but so open to other risks / mediocrity?

Why does no one believe that Portis will be part of a RBBC?

Because for those who have watched Portis play, they understand the skill and dimension he brings to a game.It is like people get locked into the world of fantasy football and see the stats and Betts and assume RBBC.

The reality is Portis is one of the most talented and skilled backs in the league. He can do some things that perhaps no other back can do. He has far more skill level than an admittedly considerably above average Betts.

That is why.

It also doesn't hurt that everyone in the organization (Betts included) will tell you Portis is the starter and Betts is the backup.

 

[Leo Scanlon]

I don't have a link, but on this morning's Sports Center in Camp Confidential, they mentioned that Portis "may" play tonight, but that he hoped he didn't because he feels he's shown enough in practice already.Guys he just doesn't want to play in the preseason, period.He'll be fine come next Sunday.

LT2 doesn't play in preseason games, and he does fairly well during the season.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

MJD was much better than Portis last year. This year he will get more carries and is healthy, unlike Portis. Last year splitting time MJD had a better year than any Portis has had in Washington. Why does Portis have more upside?

2006 PPG

MJD: 14.2

CP: 13.9

That's "much better"?

2006 Fantasy Points (according to FBGs player cards)MJD: 228

CP: 111

That's not significantly better?



This is when you say "yeah but he was hurt!" and I come back with "yeah but that's exactly what worries me about him!"

It comes down to when in a draft Portis' injury risk and the Betts factor is outweighed by the reward of his potential to be a fantasy stud.

I happen to think that happens .5-1.0 round later than most people in this thread.

(shrug)

 

[cubbie5150]

I don't have a link, but on this morning's Sports Center in Camp Confidential, they mentioned that Portis "may" play tonight, but that he hoped he didn't because he feels he's shown enough in practice already.Guys he just doesn't want to play in the preseason, period.He'll be fine come next Sunday.

LT2 doesn't play in preseason games, and he does fairly well during the season.

But LT2 practices...

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Any fresh opinions? It's the same people arguing for or against in here and, clearly, no one's getting swayed the opposite direction.

 

[-jb-]

MJD was much better than Portis last year. This year he will get more carries and is healthy, unlike Portis. Last year splitting time MJD had a better year than any Portis has had in Washington. Why does Portis have more upside?

2006 PPG

MJD: 14.2

CP: 13.9

That's "much better"?

2006 Fantasy Points (according to FBGs player cards)MJD: 228

CP: 111

That's not significantly better?

:X

This is when you say "yeah but he was hurt!" and I come back with "yeah but that's exactly what worries me about him!"

It comes down to when in a draft Portis' injury risk and the Betts factor is outweighed by the reward of his potential to be a fantasy stud.

I happen to think that happens .5-1.0 round later than most people in this thread.

(shrug)

so you're staying away from gore, alexander, westbrook, maroney, mcgahee, benson, and edge, too...right?

 

[dgreen]

MJD was much better than Portis last year. This year he will get more carries and is healthy, unlike Portis. Last year splitting time MJD had a better year than any Portis has had in Washington. Why does Portis have more upside?

2006 PPG

MJD: 14.2

CP: 13.9

That's "much better"?

2006 Fantasy Points (according to FBGs player cards)MJD: 228

CP: 111

That's not significantly better?



This is when you say "yeah but he was hurt!" and I come back with "yeah but that's exactly what worries me about him!"

It comes down to when in a draft Portis' injury risk and the Betts factor is outweighed by the reward of his potential to be a fantasy stud.

I happen to think that happens .5-1.0 round later than most people in this thread.

(shrug)

Why does it worry you that he was hurt? I'm concerned about whether he is hurt. And, as best I can tell, his current injury isn't going to affect him come week one.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Any fresh opinions? It's the same people arguing for or against in here and, clearly, no one's getting swayed the opposite direction.

:( At least we know who is on the record as for or against Portis

 

[higgins]

Any fresh opinions? It's the same people arguing for or against in here and, clearly, no one's getting swayed the opposite direction.

I like the flavor of bacon :(

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Any fresh opinions? It's the same people arguing for or against in here and, clearly, no one's getting swayed the opposite direction.

I like the flavor of bacon :(

Bacon>Sausage.

 

[-jb-]

Any fresh opinions? It's the same people arguing for or against in here and, clearly, no one's getting swayed the opposite direction.

I like the flavor of bacon

Bacon>Sausage.

 

[proninja]

Any fresh opinions? It's the same people arguing for or against in here and, clearly, no one's getting swayed the opposite direction.

I like the flavor of bacon

Bacon>Sausage.

ClearlyI'd like to go on the record as saying Portis in 3 = gold. If you lose a 3rd round pick, you're not hamstrung, and as I said in the other thread the WR you can get in 4 and 5 aren't that different than the WR you can get in 3. It seems to be a great time to take a risk that could go a long way toward winning you the league without leaving you totally balls-to-the-wind.Oh, and all we're going to get is arguing and opinion until the season starts.

 

[dgreen]

Any fresh opinions? It's the same people arguing for or against in here and, clearly, no one's getting swayed the opposite direction.

I like the flavor of bacon

Bacon>Sausage.

Homer: Are you saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon?Lisa: No.Homer: Ham?Lisa: No!Homer: Pork chops?Lisa: Dad, those all come from the same animal!Homer: Heh heh heh. Ooh, yeah, right, Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.

 

[Real Man of Genius]

Any fresh opinions? It's the same people arguing for or against in here and, clearly, no one's getting swayed the opposite direction.

I like the flavor of bacon

Bacon>Sausage.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Any fresh opinions? It's the same people arguing for or against in here and, clearly, no one's getting swayed the opposite direction.

I like the flavor of bacon

Bacon>Sausage.

 

[mad sweeney]

Any fresh opinions? It's the same people arguing for or against in here and, clearly, no one's getting swayed the opposite direction.

I like the flavor of bacon

Bacon>Sausage.

Bacon can be used for breakfast, lunch, dinner, salads and appetizers. It is the perfect food.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Any fresh opinions? It's the same people arguing for or against in here and, clearly, no one's getting swayed the opposite direction.

I like the flavor of bacon

Bacon>Sausage.

Bacon can be used for breakfast, lunch, dinner, salads and appetizers. It is the perfect food.

And don't forget it's value for anyone on the Atkins diet.

 

[-jb-]

WASHINGTON (API) - Morning training camp reports have just released that Clinton Portis has taken the field for a full day of practice. He has been seen making cuts and participating in full contact drills. Upon closer inspection, Portis is apparently equipped with a knee brace made entirely of bacon.

Link

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

he can't cut, can only run in straight lines. he's useless.will be for most of 2007. he's closer to IR than he is to rushing for 1,000 yards.I wouldn't draft him..just my 2 cents. and,his knee wasn't his biggest problem,it was his shoulder that needed surgery.still has NOT taken a single hit on that shoulder yet..

 

[One]

WASHINGTON (API) - Morning training camp reports have just released that Clinton Portis has taken the field for a full day of practice. He has been seen making cuts and participating in full contact drills. Upon closer inspection, Portis is apparently equipped with a knee brace made entirely of bacon.

Link

I'm now a believer.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

so you're staying away from gore, alexander, westbrook, maroney, mcgahee, benson, and edge, too...right?

I have most of those guys ranked lower than their ADP. Some a little (Westbrook) some a lot (McGahee).Do any of those guys have a triumvirate of nagging at best injuries combined with a backup who excelled last year and who could steal carries from them? I'm trying to exit gracefully from this thread but like the Godfather you guys keep pulling me back in

 

[mad sweeney]

so you're staying away from gore, alexander, westbrook, maroney, mcgahee, benson, and edge, too...right?

I have most of those guys ranked lower than their ADP. Some a little (Westbrook) some a lot (McGahee).Do any of those guys have a triumvirate of nagging at best injuries combined with a backup who excelled last year and who could steal carries from them? I'm trying to exit gracefully from this thread but like the Godfather you guys keep pulling me back in

What are his nagging injuries? Haven't heard anything about the hand and he played last year on the shoulder and had over 800/7. The knee is the only question mark on him this year.

 

[GridironMenace]

I'd be willing to place a significant bet that by season's end both Adrian Peterson and Garrett Wolfe will have done their parts to relegating Cedric Benson as little more than a fantasy football afterthought. Come to think of it, both Grossman's ineptitude and Benson himself will likely play their parts as well...

IMHO, draft at your own risk. No offense, but I'd expect Bears homers to know how much Peterson and Wolfe figure into the Bears rushing offense this year. Answer: plenty.

Really? How significant of a bet are you thinking about? You couldn't be more wrong, but I would love to take something from you. What are you willing to lose and what would the bet be? To me a fantasy football afterthought, is someone that would never ever start on a fantasy team in any league regardless of scoring system. In order for that to happen, I would think that Peterson and Wolfe would have to take significant carries away from Benson. I would bet you that barring injury or suspension, that Benson's number of carries never drops below the combined total of Peterson and Wolfe's carries, in any given game this season? Fair enough? If the combined carries of Peterson and Wolfe (in any game) exceed that of Benson's, you win. Good deal?

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'd be willing to place a significant bet that by season's end both Adrian Peterson and Garrett Wolfe will have done their parts to relegating Cedric Benson as little more than a fantasy football afterthought. Come to think of it, both Grossman's ineptitude and Benson himself will likely play their parts as well...

IMHO, draft at your own risk. No offense, but I'd expect Bears homers to know how much Peterson and Wolfe figure into the Bears rushing offense this year. Answer: plenty.

Really? How significant of a bet are you thinking about? You couldn't be more wrong, but I would love to take something from you. What are you willing to lose and what would the bet be? To me a fantasy football afterthought, is someone that would never ever start on a fantasy team in any league regardless of scoring system. In order for that to happen, I would think that Peterson and Wolfe would have to take significant carries away from Benson. I would bet you that barring injury or suspension, that Benson's number of carries never drops below the combined total of Peterson and Wolfe's carries, in any given game this season? Fair enough? If the combined carries of Peterson and Wolfe (in any game) exceed that of Benson's, you win. Good deal?

Nothing to see....back to Portis

 

[GridironMenace]

lol

 

[mad sweeney]

WASHINGTON (API) - Morning training camp reports have just released that Clinton Portis has taken the field for a full day of practice. He has been seen making cuts and participating in full contact drills. Upon closer inspection, Portis is apparently equipped with a knee brace made entirely of bacon.

Link

I think this could increase his injury risk as defensive linemen might be tempted to snack on his knee in piles.

 

[kensat30]

i haven't seen this recent blurb posted here:Clinton Portis-RB- Redskins Aug. 29 - 6:05 pm et Clinton Portis believes this may be his final season as a Redskin.Portis feels like he has to stay healthy this year or he'll be gone. However, the 'Skins will probably hold onto Portis as long as possible if he shows his body isn't breaking down. It's a key season for the rest of his career.Source: Washington Times

I saw the interview when Portis said this. He was referring to the business side of football, when you are hot one year and on the hot seat the next. It was alluding to the short memories that people have. Clinton right now knows he is not hot. I think he comes back with a vengeance this year.This is the same interview after his first full practice where he said he was currently at 85%. And he wanted to be 95% the next day. And he wanted to be 98% for the preseason. Leading up to his 100% return to the regular season.Yet we see Torry Holt at 70-75% seeing no significant dropoff...