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Win Shares from 2003 -- I reckon Jeter has probably passed him by now:1. Honus Wagner 149.662. Alex Rodriguez 115.883. Cal Ripken Jr 112.304. Arky Vaughn 111.575. Robin Yount 109.246. Barry Larkin 106.917. Derek Jeter 104.308. Lou Boudreau 103.969. Nomar Garciaparra 103.3910. Pee Wee Reese 101.6611 Alan Trammell 99.72
is that average per season or total?? I'm assuming average/season...
Take that to the football forum
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Its actually not win shares. Sorry. Its just some feller's rating at Hardball Times.Here are the top 10 as of 2005: 1. Honus Wagner-With 656 win shares, Wagner is far ahead of the pack2. Cal Ripken-Ripken finished with 4273. Robin Yount-Yount finished with 423, but he played the second half of his career in the outfield4. Alex Rodriguez- The best player of his generation, A-rod now has 389 win shares, just before his 31st birthday. He doesn’t play shortstop anymore, but most of his win shares came from that position. Besides, he may switch back at some point in the future. Regardless, he certainly will finish his career with an immense number of win shares, well into the 500s, and maybe even 600. The only question will be whether to classify him as a shortstop or third basemen. If he is classified a third basemen, he will likely be rated as the greatest of all time. If a shortstop, he will rank second only to Wagner.5. Luke Appling- Appling finished with 378 win shares. He missed some time in World War Two, but also benefited from weak competition in 1942 while many players were serving in the military. 6. Arky Vaughan-An often-forgotten star for the Pittsburgh Pirates, Vaughan finished with 356 win shares. Like Appling he missed some time due to the Second World War, but he was winding down his career, and in fact benefited from weak competition in 1942 and ’43 while many players were serving in the military. I doubt he would have accumulated more than a handful of additional win shares.7. Ernie Banks- Mr. Cub finished with 332, although a good number of those were while playing first base.8. Ozzie Smith-The Wizard of Oz, generally considered the greatest defensive shortstop ever, finished with 325 win shares.9. Alan Trammel-Trammel finished with 318, slightly fewer than Ozzie, but that hasn’t helped him get into the Hall of Fame yet.10. Barry Larkin- Mr. Red finished with 314. Despite similar career numbers, I suspect HOF voters may favor him over Trammel.
Good comparison, since Art Monk also won 2 MVPs and was the best player at his position for a decade.
At any rate, after seeing the other names I could have been forgetting, I feel comfortable rating Ripken Top 5 of All-Time.
Through 2006, Jeter had 277 win shares.
I like the self quote so as not to edit, shtick.
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Hi Bob,I knew domer, and you're no domer.HPS Ripken is way more deserving than that bum Jerry Rice.
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Undeserving of the HoF?
The problem with your analysis is that you're not comparing Ripken's numbers to other shortstops of his era. Rather you're looking at the modern shortstop(which Ripken had a huge influence on). Ripken's 1991 season was the 4th highest VORP of all time. The 3 seasons higher than him were one of Babe Ruth's and 2 pitchers from about 100 years ago. Think about that for a second. No season Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Lou Gehrig, Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, etc. ever had was higher above the average replacement player of that year than Ripken was in 1991.Edited to add: Your Jerome Bettis comparison looks even stranger when you consider that Cal Ripken was the MVP twice! So for two years he was the best player in all of baseball....how is that just being "pretty good forever"???
He was on roids that year. Only explanation. Did they play in Texas or Oakland? Hmmmmm...What year did Brady hit 50?
I"m a Washington/Baltimore homer, but I'll be the first to admit that I dont' think Monk deserves it. But with Ripken, you guys are just plain wrong.
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